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How long did it take you to put on your clown makeup this morning?

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How many times do you practice that in the mirror?

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I know people personally who walked inside the Capitol.

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Why are you hanging out with January 6th insurrectionists?

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Harry,

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you should use your platform and tell all the illegal immigrants,

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pay 100% of your taxes to support this country.

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I'm saying it right now.

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Has Trump normalized political violence

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or has the fight against Trump become its own excuse for it?

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I'm Paris Rose from Jubilee Media,

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and this is Surrounded

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where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers.

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Today we're exploring immigration in America,

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the Epstein files,

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and if Trump and his administration have made Americans less healthy.

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I'm here with our future guest,

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Democrat commentator Harry Sisson.

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Hi,

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I'm Harry Sisson.

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I'm the host of the Harry Sisson Show,

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and today I'm surrounded by MAGA.

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My first surrounding claim is that immigration makes America stronger,

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not weaker.

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If you would like to be the first debater,

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please get to the chair in 321.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you,

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man.

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All right,

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yeah,

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so,

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uh,

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let's start.

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Do you mean stronger in terms of economic power in terms of societal influence?

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What do you mean in your province?

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I think broadly,

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broadly as a whole,

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OK,

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so have you driven through South LA and saw the type of world that you were in?

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Um,

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maybe,

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I don't know.

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I'm,

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I'm from,

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were you on your phone?

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Were you on your phone making a TikTok or something?

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I wasn't on my phone.

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I was reading,

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but so I drove through South LA and I saw that,

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I saw that,

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I saw the homeless camp.

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I saw everything and I don't think it's a laughing matter.

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And,

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and,

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in

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fact,

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Harry,

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he was laughing,

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so I was asking why he was

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anyway,

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go ahead.

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But yeah,

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I wouldn't say it's a laughing matter when you

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have all these homeless people falling into the street

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using,

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uh,

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their own

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fecal matter as ways to bathe.

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That's disgusting,

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Harry.

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And in fact it's been perpetuated by illegal immigration,

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especially

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under the last regime that you supported.

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in fact,

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when they go in and eat up our healthcare costs.

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Everything else in the economy

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as well,

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they've devalued our currency to the rate

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that you haven't seen in any other country.

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How do you know it's because of,

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of immigrants?

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I would have to say there are a lot of low paying jobs,

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labor jobs,

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and such like that,

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and you would argue that's helpful for the economy,

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correct?

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I think people working is helpful for the economy at any level.

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I would say illegal immigration and this amount of legal immigration that

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we see to the tune of a million people per year.

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is nothing that we see in any other country.

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We should end birthright citizenship in the United

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States because you should hate the Constitution.

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That's what it is.

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No,

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yeah,

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the Constitution.

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I state that I hate the Constitution you're like,

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yeah,

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I think you're asserting a claim

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I think if you're saying we should end birthright citizenship,

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that is squarely against the Constitution.

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The Supreme Court agrees with me,

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not you.

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By the way,

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the economic data on immigration is abundantly clear.

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It's not,

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it's just like asking is 2 + 2 equals 4?

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the CBO,

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Congressional Budget Office,

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nonpartisan.

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Found that because of the unexpected surge in immigration between 2021 and 2026,

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they're expected to produce

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over $8.9 trillion in GDP.

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They're also expected to reduce immigrants have made $900 billion.

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You think immigrants have made us a third world country instead of a first world?

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I think they've improved the United States,

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and I know that as well because almost,

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almost half of the Fortune 500 companies.

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did we have what we had in

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LA 40 years to answer your question or not?

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We'll get to the point,

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please.

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I spoke for two seconds,

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then you jumped in.

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So,

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for the

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half of Fortune 500 companies,

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many of them stationed here in LA,

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headquartered here in LA,

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nearly half were started by either immigrants or

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children of they all want to leave LA.

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they want to stay in the United States,

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don't they?

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to places where there isn't as much of

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an immigration problem like LA and California,

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where Elon Musk wants to go.

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There's not an immigration problem in Texas.

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You don't see the rising costs like you do here in California.

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And why is that?

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Texas has inflation because of the Reagan era policy that let in

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millions and millions of illegal immigrants.

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that helps your argument,

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Harry.

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wait,

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Republicans let them in just to be clear,

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you didn't actually respond to anything I said regarding the CBO and any data.

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So you did have a response to what I said about the

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economic data have been listed once how immigrants have made our nation.

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I just cited $9 trillion in GDP.

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Is that good or bad?

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How about the deficit that they've created?

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You want to acknowledge that.

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the CBO in that same estimate found that immigrants over a 10-year period

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reduced the deficit by $900 billion.

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What percentage of illegal immigrants pay taxes into our system?

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Is it 100%,

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Harry?

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Is it almost the amount of citizens in our nation?

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We don't,

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we don't have the exact percentage.

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And so when I estimate,

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we don't have the exact percentage.

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But by the way,

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immigrants pay more don't have the exact percentage.

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Immigrants pay more in taxes than they take in.

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You're advocating for fraud.

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They paid $900 billion.

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They paid $900 billion in federal taxes in 2023,

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and that's more than they took in.

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They're funding Medicare,

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Medicaid,

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Social Security for all of the American people,

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and they're generating a bunch of economic output.

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What's the negative?

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So I let Harry talk,

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and so what you said is we don't know

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the amount of money illegal immigrants are paying into our

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system.

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The percentage.

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Don't you think that's a problem?

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I think that's great.

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I think everybody should.

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you think that's great.

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I think everybody should pay taxes.

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I think everybody should pay taxes whether you're

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an immigrant or undocumented immigrant or legal.

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So how about when illegal immigrants.

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The emergency healthcare does that burden our system?

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Undocumented immigrants pay taxes through the ITIN.

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Are you aware of that?

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I am.

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great.

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And are you aware of the fact that in 2023 they paid $90 billion in federal taxes?

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Are you aware of that?

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That's a total number.

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I'm talking about per capita.

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When you talk about the amount that they put in,

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is that good or bad?

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Is that good or bad?

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It's an overall net good to the economy and our government,

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but I would say,

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great.

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And are them,

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them generating $9 trillion

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them generating $9 trillion of GDP,

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is that good or bad?

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So should it be 100%

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is generating $9 trillion worth?

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Economic output,

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good or bad,

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you said it should be 100% and it's 53%

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question.

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Don't you agree with that trillion dollars?

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That's what it is.

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Don't you agree with $9 trillion of economic output?

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You know it's a loaded question.

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Here's what I'll say a loaded question.

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It's just,

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do you agree with $9 trillion of economic overall you

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say that they need to pay 100% into our system,

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yet you're advocating,

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53% with $90 billion is enough.

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How does that make sense?

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Your claim has no standing.

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Wait,

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are you,

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are you serious?

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I said that I think everybody should pay taxes into the system,

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but what I'm also advocating or

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Pointing out the fact that they paid $90 billion in federal taxes,

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that does not mean that others shouldn't.

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That means that so far a lot are paying.

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And by the way,

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that the ones that pay you,

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not enough.

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Let's,

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let's do it.

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So more taxes for people.

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Harry,

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you should use your platform and tell all the illegal immigrants,

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pay 100% of your taxes to support this country.

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And you know what,

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I would support you on that,

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and I would actually believe you mean your claim.

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But you're not gonna do that.

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Wait,

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I think I'm saying it right now.

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We're in,

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we're in a film debate right now that people should pay taxes.

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So I'm not quite sure.

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I'm not quite sure where you're saying.

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I don't think I would believe that.

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But I'm looking at the actual data.

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hold on.

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I'm looking at the actual data,

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and you have not yet cite a single piece

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of data that says that immigration makes us weaker,

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not stronger.

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Uh,

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yeah,

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I cited the 53% that only pay

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tax

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voted out by the majority.

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Thank you very much,

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brother.

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Come back.

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OK,

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got you.

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If you would like to be the next debater,

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please get to the chair in 321.

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How are you?

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Nice to meet you.

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Um,

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all right,

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so I wanna start with,

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I think that you and I have a lot of common ground here,

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um.

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In terms of immigration,

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I think that generally speaking,

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immigration can be

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super beneficial for the country,

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but it has to be regulated and it comes down to responsibility.

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You would agree with that?

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OK,

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um,

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so we've,

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or you guys were talking a lot about GDP and economic growth.

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I was actually looking at the CBO too,

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and

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I agree with the numbers.

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Would you say that

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aggregate GDP though is the sole or primary indicator of

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whether or not like the country's border policies are succeeding?

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Oh,

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is GEP indicative of border policy succeeding?

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No,

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not,

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not automatically.

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No.

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OK,

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so I think it contributes to a broader conversation though.

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I think,

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um,

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when we're talking about immigration,

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it should be a variety of things that we factor into the conversation.

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It should be border security.

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It should be how we regulate it.

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It should be the benefit of this.

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I think that's

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applicable to any policy.

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OK,

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so is there,

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say,

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any,

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um,

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any amount of immigration that you would say is too much?

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Yeah,

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I mean,

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absolutely.

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Like if we had like 100 million people coming into the country,

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um,

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obviously there has to be some regulation.

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It's kind of arbitrary though,

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right?

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Like it's for you and me drawing a line being like this many is good,

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this many is bad.

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It's kind of arbitrary.

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But I think like

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keeping our immigration levels at what they are,

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or at least maybe I should speak to,

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um,

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perhaps like under a Democratic president,

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keeping that at the level that they are,

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um,

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and of course encouraging legal immigration and hopefully

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introducing some immigration reform.

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I think we as a country should be encouraging immigration,

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not

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discouraging.

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OK,

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um,

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so like for me personally,

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I think.

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And again,

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I agree,

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immigration,

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good thing overall,

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but it comes down to,

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first of all,

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scale,

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how many people are coming in at once.

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Um,

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it comes down to,

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I'd say national interest.

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Is it actually,

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yes,

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in terms of

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money,

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in terms of the GDP it's helping with the economy,

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but

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is it helping the national interest?

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Is it broadening,

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I guess,

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the American point of view making things?

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OK,

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how so?

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I mean,

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if we have people coming to the United States,

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starting businesses,

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working these jobs,

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contributing to our economy,

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contributing to our society,

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I mean,

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a lot of people,

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you know,

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immigrants come into the country and they give back,

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not just through their jobs,

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but

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they coach the soccer team at the school,

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they help out with their neighbors,

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kids,

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or whatever it is.

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Like they're humans too.

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They have

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Desires and wants and goals like the rest of us,

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and they want to help out as well.

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And so I think that's beneficial.

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I think they're beneficial to the culture.

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I've lived

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all over the world.

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I was born in Singapore,

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grew up in Dublin,

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Ireland.

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Yeah,

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and it was,

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I appreciate it.

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And it was,

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uh,

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you know,

429
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that's an invaluable experience that I had meeting different people,

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different ideas,

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different cultures,

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listening to different music,

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watching different types of media.

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I think that's really beneficial.

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OK,

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so pause.

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You've been voted out.

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I actually wanted that to be.

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All right,

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man.

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We'll talk again.

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Thanks,

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man.

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If you would like to be the next debater,

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please get to the chair in 321.

446
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What's up man?

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Nice to meet you.

448
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Nice to meet you.

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OK,

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so let's get into a little bit of the economics of immigration.

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You brought up 1st 900 billion.

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And then you brought up reduction of deficit.

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Sorry,

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well,

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if I said,

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oh,

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the $90 billion was taxes paid in,

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the $900 billion reduction 2023 number,

459
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right?

460
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It's actually,

461
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it's $98.7 billion.

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And that's

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taxes paid in.

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How much is the cost of immigration?

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Do you know that?

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Uh,

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I mean,

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well,

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how are you quantifying in terms of,

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so illegal,

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like illegal immigration,

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we're talking about illegal immigrants,

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right?

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I mean,

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that $98.7 billion is about illegal immigrants that contribute to the system.

476
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Sure,

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if you want to focus on the undocumented,

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we can do that.

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Yeah,

480
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well,

481
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that's the number that you're citing.

482
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Yeah,

483
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yeah,

484
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it's OK,

485
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sure,

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purely undocumented.

487
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It's you're

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like,

489
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because I see this a lot with the left that

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they try to conflate legal immigration with illegal immigrants.

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We have no,

492
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a lot of us don't have a problem

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trying to conflate.

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I was just trying to understand what you're saying,

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right,

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right,

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right.

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But like,

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so the numbers are kind of conflated.

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So I just want to,

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I just want to be clear,

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we're talking about undocumented immigrants.

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They

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contribute 98.7 billion

505
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2023 numbers.

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How much do they cost?

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How are you quantifying it?

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Like just across the board?

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Well,

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if you have the number you should.

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If an illegal family comes here,

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you know,

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their kids go to school K through 12 is publicly paid for.

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So if you're averaging that,

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it costs about $19,000 per student per year,

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you know,

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that adds to the cost.

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If an illegal immigrant uses our healthcare system,

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places like California where you're sitting right now,

520
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we have federal matching assistance program where 60% of the Medicaid costs

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that goes to illegal immigrants is paid for by the federal government.

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OK,

523
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so we're all paying into that.

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So it's like

525
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then you have the courts,

526
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then you have,

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you know.

528
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Any

529
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essentially you have a,

530
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you have a bunch of different domains where illegal immigrants cost money.

531
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So my question to you is if you're willing to claim that

532
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$98 billion is the contribution,

533
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what is the cost?

534
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Well,

535
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what is the cost?

536
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The cost is upwards of $150 to $200 billion.

537
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Yeah,

538
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but I think like,

539
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but this is what the left,

540
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hold on,

541
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hold on,

542
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but let me,

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let me make my point.

544
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It's like

545
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the left focuses on the,

546
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on one side of the equation and completely ignores.

547
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If you're gonna make an economic argument,

548
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understand what you're arguing.

549
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Like,

550
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do you know what GDP is?

551
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Yeah,

552
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gross domestic product.

553
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What is a very There's 4 variables to it.

554
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Do you know what

555
00:11:22.770 --> 00:11:23.550
are the 4 variables?

556
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So it's consumption,

557
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investment,

558
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government spending,

559
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and net

560
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exports.

561
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Government spending is a key metric in that.

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If government spending increases,

563
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which

564
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bringing people,

565
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like you could bring 100 million people,

566
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like,

567
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which is what you said the other,

568
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that that would be too much.

569
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If you brought 100 million people,

570
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government spending would go up,

571
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GDP would go up.

572
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Is that is that positive for us

573
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if housing goes up?

574
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Well,

575
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that's why I think there needs to be a line 100%,

576
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right?

577
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But what we're seeing right now also,

578
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can I just quickly on the,

579
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on the,

580
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on the topic of,

581
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well,

582
00:11:51.460 --> 00:11:51.700
first of all,

583
00:11:51.780 --> 00:11:53.150
where'd you get the 150 billion number?

584
00:11:54.070 --> 00:11:54.550
There's different,

585
00:11:54.660 --> 00:11:55.470
there's different studies.

586
00:11:55.510 --> 00:11:56.030
So there's,

587
00:11:56.130 --> 00:11:57.950
there's a Cato Institute study.

588
00:11:58.300 --> 00:11:59.010
There's different studies.

589
00:11:59.370 --> 00:12:00.740
Cato Institute has actually found that,

590
00:12:00.770 --> 00:12:00.980
um,

591
00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:02.760
immigrants pay more into the system than they take.

592
00:12:02.920 --> 00:12:03.150
What

593
00:12:03.490 --> 00:12:05.180
immigrants or illegal immigrants.

594
00:12:05.530 --> 00:12:05.940
Either,

595
00:12:06.660 --> 00:12:06.730
yes,

596
00:12:06.850 --> 00:12:07.090
they have.

597
00:12:07.590 --> 00:12:08.250
The Cato Institute.

598
00:12:08.290 --> 00:12:09.530
There's a Manhattan Institute is not.

599
00:12:09.690 --> 00:12:10.650
There's Manhattan Institute is,

600
00:12:10.690 --> 00:12:11.130
is conservative.

601
00:12:11.530 --> 00:12:12.250
It is conservative,

602
00:12:12.570 --> 00:12:13.520
and Cato Institute

603
00:12:13.770 --> 00:12:14.770
conservative is right leaning,

604
00:12:14.850 --> 00:12:14.980
right?

605
00:12:15.040 --> 00:12:15.610
They're libertarian,

606
00:12:15.650 --> 00:12:16.250
but they're saying,

607
00:12:16.410 --> 00:12:19.220
but they're contradicting me a left wing source that give me a left.

608
00:12:19.250 --> 00:12:19.330
Wait,

609
00:12:19.450 --> 00:12:20.880
I just want to make the point I was about to make.

610
00:12:21.010 --> 00:12:23.810
I'm happy to accept any number from a left-wing source that you give me,

611
00:12:23.890 --> 00:12:24.450
but the left doesn't.

612
00:12:24.570 --> 00:12:26.110
Have a number because they know the truth.

613
00:12:26.130 --> 00:12:26.820
And to be clear,

614
00:12:26.920 --> 00:12:28.890
let's just say hypothetically side of the equation is ugly.

615
00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.080
Let's just say that hypothetically it is 150 billion.

616
00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:32.510
That's the number you said on the low end,

617
00:12:32.520 --> 00:12:32.960
it's more,

618
00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:33.490
but OK,

619
00:12:33.560 --> 00:12:34.190
let's just say it is.

620
00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:35.670
That is still a worthy investment

621
00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:36.840
for the United States.

622
00:12:36.880 --> 00:12:37.290
You're not,

623
00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.120
it depends how you attribute because again,

624
00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.040
if we go to GDP,

625
00:12:40.060 --> 00:12:40.330
it's like,

626
00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:40.480
well,

627
00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:41.400
what is GDP?

628
00:12:41.640 --> 00:12:43.160
Are we happy just spending more money?

629
00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.600
But when we know that immigrants and undocumented

630
00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.810
immigrants make up a significant portion of different industries

631
00:12:49.350 --> 00:12:50.760
and undocumented undocumented.

632
00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.160
Undocumented immigrants make up a significant portion of.

633
00:12:53.750 --> 00:12:53.870
Yes,

634
00:12:53.990 --> 00:12:54.450
they do.

635
00:12:54.470 --> 00:12:55.010
They undercut

636
00:12:55.540 --> 00:12:58.010
that undocumented immigrants don't make up a significant part do.

637
00:12:58.340 --> 00:12:58.830
But here's the thing,

638
00:12:59.030 --> 00:12:59.550
here's the thing,

639
00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:01.180
they do undercut wages.

640
00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:02.680
They undercut wages here in LA.

641
00:13:03.110 --> 00:13:05.790
The unemployment rate in Los Angeles and California

642
00:13:05.790 --> 00:13:07.230
as a whole in these sanctuary cities is

643
00:13:07.230 --> 00:13:08.630
some of the highest in the country's some

644
00:13:08.630 --> 00:13:10.600
evidence to suggest that an independent or,

645
00:13:10.710 --> 00:13:10.940
or,

646
00:13:11.030 --> 00:13:11.310
uh,

647
00:13:11.670 --> 00:13:12.510
except not broader,

648
00:13:12.590 --> 00:13:13.750
not in the broader numbers for the scale,

649
00:13:13.790 --> 00:13:15.030
but in independent instances,

650
00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:16.990
there might be some wage oppression for Americans.

651
00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:17.700
Because of immigrants,

652
00:13:17.820 --> 00:13:18.540
but that is not a trend.

653
00:13:18.620 --> 00:13:19.580
Is there housing in the United States?

654
00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:20.130
Is there housing?

655
00:13:20.140 --> 00:13:20.580
There might be,

656
00:13:20.660 --> 00:13:21.100
there might be,

657
00:13:21.110 --> 00:13:21.580
there might be,

658
00:13:21.660 --> 00:13:22.790
there might be some small,

659
00:13:22.900 --> 00:13:24.300
I think it's like 1 to 2%.

660
00:13:24.420 --> 00:13:24.540
Yeah,

661
00:13:24.660 --> 00:13:27.290
1 to 2% of housing inflation is caused by immigrants.

662
00:13:27.420 --> 00:13:27.850
But again,

663
00:13:28.140 --> 00:13:29.810
the main problem why housing has gone up and

664
00:13:29.810 --> 00:13:32.020
it's been so expensive recently is because we're not building

665
00:13:32.180 --> 00:13:32.420
and yeah,

666
00:13:32.540 --> 00:13:33.500
because liberal policies,

667
00:13:33.780 --> 00:13:34.610
but that's a whole another,

668
00:13:34.650 --> 00:13:35.120
that's it is.

669
00:13:35.130 --> 00:13:36.060
It's because zoning laws,

670
00:13:36.220 --> 00:13:36.660
that's not true.

671
00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:36.900
I mean,

672
00:13:36.940 --> 00:13:37.820
I agree that there should be,

673
00:13:38.020 --> 00:13:38.730
I think there should be,

674
00:13:38.860 --> 00:13:40.340
I think there should be reforms to zoning.

675
00:13:40.580 --> 00:13:40.660
OK,

676
00:13:40.810 --> 00:13:40.860
well,

677
00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:43.260
housing prices in red states have gone up because of the demand.

678
00:13:43.540 --> 00:13:46.090
Because everybody's leaving the blue states because it's so

679
00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:46.740
poorly managed.

680
00:13:46.970 --> 00:13:49.460
More people have come to California from Texas than California to Texas.

681
00:13:49.510 --> 00:13:49.930
That's not true.

682
00:13:49.970 --> 00:13:50.530
It is true.

683
00:13:50.730 --> 00:13:51.430
LA has

684
00:13:51.550 --> 00:13:51.680
anyway,

685
00:13:51.770 --> 00:13:51.970
listen,

686
00:13:52.050 --> 00:13:54.290
of 230,000 people since COVID,

687
00:13:54.330 --> 00:13:54.550
hold on,

688
00:13:54.610 --> 00:13:55.330
let me make my point.

689
00:13:55.450 --> 00:13:58.120
Texas has literally the most people moving to,

690
00:13:58.130 --> 00:13:58.450
to make

691
00:13:58.730 --> 00:14:00.460
any other crucial industries in the United States

692
00:14:00.460 --> 00:14:02.370
that everybody in this room relies on,

693
00:14:02.810 --> 00:14:03.920
a lot of them have,

694
00:14:03.980 --> 00:14:03.990
uh,

695
00:14:04.170 --> 00:14:05.030
make up a lot of immigrants.

696
00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:07.390
So like 30% of the construction industry is made up by,

697
00:14:07.490 --> 00:14:07.580
OK,

698
00:14:07.810 --> 00:14:08.490
I'm pro-immigrant.

699
00:14:08.570 --> 00:14:08.650
OK,

700
00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:09.570
so would you agree with.

701
00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:11.880
Would you agree with the prompt that immigration makes America stronger,

702
00:14:11.920 --> 00:14:13.140
and would you disagree with,

703
00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:13.270
again,

704
00:14:13.280 --> 00:14:13.830
you're trying to,

705
00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.230
would you disagree illegal immigration,

706
00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.640
would you disagree with Donald Trump's policies so far on it?

707
00:14:17.650 --> 00:14:18.510
What like on what

708
00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:18.840
his,

709
00:14:18.920 --> 00:14:19.730
his policies broadly,

710
00:14:19.760 --> 00:14:21.200
his increase in funding for ICE,

711
00:14:21.280 --> 00:14:23.200
the people getting abducted off the streets with masks.

712
00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:24.080
Who's getting abducted?

713
00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:25.330
We should increase funding for ICE.

714
00:14:25.560 --> 00:14:27.640
Kilmore Abrego Garcia was illegally deported,

715
00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:27.970
dude,

716
00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:29.840
we should absolutely have law enforcement.

717
00:14:29.920 --> 00:14:31.610
Do you believe that we should have borders and law enforcement,

718
00:14:31.880 --> 00:14:31.890
wait,

719
00:14:31.910 --> 00:14:31.920
wait,

720
00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:32.240
I think,

721
00:14:32.400 --> 00:14:32.760
I think,

722
00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.460
I think having law enforcement is fine,

723
00:14:34.560 --> 00:14:35.860
but what Donald Trump has done with.

724
00:14:35.920 --> 00:14:36.140
ICE

725
00:14:36.510 --> 00:14:38.680
what Donald Trump has done with ICE and

726
00:14:38.990 --> 00:14:40.470
so picking random people off the streets,

727
00:14:40.620 --> 00:14:40.760
random

728
00:14:40.950 --> 00:14:41.210
people.

729
00:14:41.270 --> 00:14:42.540
Kilmar Abrego Garcia

730
00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:43.750
Kilmar Abrego.

731
00:14:43.790 --> 00:14:45.080
Are you familiar with Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

732
00:14:45.350 --> 00:14:45.670
OK.

733
00:14:45.910 --> 00:14:47.750
And what did the Supreme Court say about his deportation?

734
00:14:47.780 --> 00:14:48.460
I don't recall.

735
00:14:48.510 --> 00:14:48.790
OK,

736
00:14:48.870 --> 00:14:52.070
they 9-0 ruled against Donald Trump and then Donald Trump was not a technicality.

737
00:14:52.190 --> 00:14:54.790
It was not a technicality because he was ordered to stay technicality.

738
00:14:54.800 --> 00:14:55.740
It's due process.

739
00:14:56.030 --> 00:14:57.060
Was he an illegal immigrant?

740
00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:57.370
No,

741
00:14:57.590 --> 00:14:58.390
he was,

742
00:14:58.710 --> 00:14:59.030
he was,

743
00:14:59.160 --> 00:15:00.620
he's an El Salvadorian citizen.

744
00:15:00.670 --> 00:15:01.650
He was here illegally.

745
00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:02.360
He was

746
00:15:02.530 --> 00:15:03.220
here because of a

747
00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:03.700
case.

748
00:15:03.950 --> 00:15:04.960
A judge was a domestic.

749
00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.220
A judge was a domestic he was allowed to stay in the United States.

750
00:15:07.390 --> 00:15:07.470
No,

751
00:15:07.550 --> 00:15:09.340
that he had to stay in the United States

752
00:15:09.340 --> 00:15:11.460
because he of a domestic abuse judge rules that,

753
00:15:11.470 --> 00:15:11.830
what does that make,

754
00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:12.070
right?

755
00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:13.790
But it's because of a domestic abuse issue.

756
00:15:13.870 --> 00:15:15.390
It wasn't because he wasn't illegal.

757
00:15:15.510 --> 00:15:16.430
If you actually know the case,

758
00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:16.520
no,

759
00:15:16.590 --> 00:15:16.790
no,

760
00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:16.990
no.

761
00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:17.070
Well,

762
00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:17.310
you don't,

763
00:15:17.390 --> 00:15:19.070
you don't even know what the Supreme Court ruled on it.

764
00:15:19.470 --> 00:15:19.950
The judge,

765
00:15:20.030 --> 00:15:24.030
the judge ruled that Gilmar Abrego Garcia was allowed to stay in the United States.

766
00:15:24.590 --> 00:15:25.550
If a judge is saying that,

767
00:15:25.590 --> 00:15:25.750
does that,

768
00:15:25.950 --> 00:15:27.790
does that make him illegal or legal?

769
00:15:27.910 --> 00:15:28.960
He was here illegally.

770
00:15:29.030 --> 00:15:30.850
He had to stay in the United States because there were,

771
00:15:30.910 --> 00:15:31.300
he was.

772
00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.850
He was involved in a domestic abuse case and a judge ruled that he could

773
00:15:35.040 --> 00:15:36.710
say drug trafficking by the Supreme Court.

774
00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:36.990
Wait,

775
00:15:37.030 --> 00:15:38.880
that's an allegation that hasn't been proven in court.

776
00:15:38.910 --> 00:15:39.240
Number one,

777
00:15:39.390 --> 00:15:39.710
that's true.

778
00:15:39.830 --> 00:15:40.070
OK,

779
00:15:40.310 --> 00:15:42.400
but I'm just saying that you know what has been ruled in court?

780
00:15:42.590 --> 00:15:42.930
Why the,

781
00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:44.910
you know what has been ruled in court that he was here legally.

782
00:15:44.950 --> 00:15:47.200
A judge allowed him to stay and the Supreme

783
00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.140
Court ordered that Donald Trump brought him back.

784
00:15:49.190 --> 00:15:49.470
But listen,

785
00:15:49.550 --> 00:15:49.800
listen,

786
00:15:49.910 --> 00:15:52.040
you're saying that people are being picked off randomly on the streets.

787
00:15:52.180 --> 00:15:53.650
Kilmar Abrego Garcia was picked up randomly.

788
00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:53.830
No,

789
00:15:53.870 --> 00:15:54.150
he was,

790
00:15:54.230 --> 00:15:54.510
he was.

791
00:15:54.590 --> 00:15:54.960
What about

792
00:15:55.110 --> 00:15:55.750
Mahmoud Khalil?

793
00:15:55.760 --> 00:15:55.840
Let's,

794
00:15:55.900 --> 00:15:55.990
let's,

795
00:15:56.030 --> 00:15:56.870
let's disprove this.

796
00:15:56.950 --> 00:15:57.910
This will take less than a minute.

797
00:15:58.150 --> 00:15:58.790
It'll be painless,

798
00:15:58.830 --> 00:15:59.250
I swear.

799
00:15:59.550 --> 00:16:00.650
How many ICE agents are there?

800
00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:01.320
Uh,

801
00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:03.640
I don't know what the number 22,000 in the US.

802
00:16:03.800 --> 00:16:04.800
Do you know how many of them are?

803
00:16:04.920 --> 00:16:07.040
Do you know the difference between HSI and ERO officers?

804
00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:08.510
Homeland Security investigations

805
00:16:08.680 --> 00:16:09.860
and enforcement removal.

806
00:16:10.040 --> 00:16:11.000
So we don't have much time left.

807
00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:11.810
So just make the point.

808
00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:11.990
Uh,

809
00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.150
it's only about 10,000 actual enforcement removal officers

810
00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:16.640
that are day to day going out,

811
00:16:16.760 --> 00:16:17.390
going around.

812
00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:21.750
They literally HSI stakes out locations to go to send their officers,

813
00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:22.270
and then

814
00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:24.850
like the claim that they're picking off people randomly by this,

815
00:16:24.920 --> 00:16:25.490
like on the street.

816
00:16:25.530 --> 00:16:27.400
It's a country of 340 million people.

817
00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:28.580
LAPD

818
00:16:28.800 --> 00:16:29.090
is.

819
00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:29.810
12 million.

820
00:16:29.860 --> 00:16:31.830
It's 9000 LAPD officers.

821
00:16:31.990 --> 00:16:34.070
Do you think that 10,000 officers,

822
00:16:34.350 --> 00:16:36.930
ICE officers that are on the streets are randomly picking people up?

823
00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:37.410
Is that your,

824
00:16:37.470 --> 00:16:37.590
like,

825
00:16:37.710 --> 00:16:38.590
do you really believe that they,

826
00:16:38.710 --> 00:16:39.460
they quite are.

827
00:16:39.470 --> 00:16:41.350
They're not literally arbitrarily picking people.

828
00:16:41.750 --> 00:16:42.880
What about Mahmud Khalil?

829
00:16:43.150 --> 00:16:43.790
What about him?

830
00:16:43.950 --> 00:16:44.070
So,

831
00:16:44.190 --> 00:16:44.350
OK,

832
00:16:44.660 --> 00:16:44.910
he was,

833
00:16:45.310 --> 00:16:45.860
he was here in the,

834
00:16:46.070 --> 00:16:47.410
he was here in the United States of America.

835
00:16:47.630 --> 00:16:49.110
He was here in the United States of America legally.

836
00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:49.620
Yes,

837
00:16:49.990 --> 00:16:50.150
uh,

838
00:16:50.270 --> 00:16:50.940
he was here legally.

839
00:16:51.110 --> 00:16:51.270
OK,

840
00:16:51.390 --> 00:16:51.470
no,

841
00:16:51.570 --> 00:16:51.640
no,

842
00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:51.910
wait,

843
00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:52.270
wait,

844
00:16:52.350 --> 00:16:52.620
which one?

845
00:16:52.630 --> 00:16:53.190
Mahmud Khalil?

846
00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:53.280
Yeah,

847
00:16:53.540 --> 00:16:53.780
Columbia,

848
00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:54.100
the one,

849
00:16:54.110 --> 00:16:54.770
the Columbia student,

850
00:16:54.870 --> 00:16:55.070
um,

851
00:16:55.350 --> 00:16:55.510
yes,

852
00:16:55.590 --> 00:16:55.840
he was.

853
00:16:55.910 --> 00:16:56.050
OK,

854
00:16:56.150 --> 00:16:56.270
great.

855
00:16:56.350 --> 00:16:57.140
And what did he have?

856
00:16:57.680 --> 00:16:58.840
What made him legal here in the United States?

857
00:16:58.920 --> 00:16:59.440
He had a green card.

858
00:16:59.560 --> 00:17:01.320
He had a green card student like for he was a student,

859
00:17:01.370 --> 00:17:01.530
right?

860
00:17:01.560 --> 00:17:01.640
Right.

861
00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:02.190
And so,

862
00:17:02.520 --> 00:17:02.960
exactly.

863
00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:03.490
And so,

864
00:17:03.520 --> 00:17:04.770
but again he has a pro-Palestinian,

865
00:17:05.010 --> 00:17:05.240
but no,

866
00:17:05.290 --> 00:17:05.400
no,

867
00:17:05.530 --> 00:17:05.540
wait,

868
00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:05.930
hold on,

869
00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:06.599
hold on.

870
00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:06.970
This is,

871
00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.710
this is the claim is that ISIS randomly he was a legal person here in the United

872
00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.510
States and he and he was inciting terrorists

873
00:17:12.510 --> 00:17:14.800
and he was inciting terrorist language in Colombia.

874
00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:15.240
He was.

875
00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:15.400
Wait,

876
00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:15.520
wait,

877
00:17:15.609 --> 00:17:15.640
wait,

878
00:17:15.710 --> 00:17:16.670
what happened to the First Amendment.

879
00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:17.599
He was praising Hamas.

880
00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:17.800
Well,

881
00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.390
you can praise Hamas under the first.

882
00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.349
The thing about you can,

883
00:17:21.589 --> 00:17:23.829
but there might be consequences if you're not a permanent resident here.

884
00:17:23.910 --> 00:17:24.210
Sure,

885
00:17:25.630 --> 00:17:27.710
the Secretary of Secretary of State Marco Rubio,

886
00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.370
the Secretary to repeal his.

887
00:17:30.470 --> 00:17:30.550
Wait,

888
00:17:30.630 --> 00:17:30.670
wait,

889
00:17:30.750 --> 00:17:30.830
no,

890
00:17:30.870 --> 00:17:31.230
it didn't.

891
00:17:31.270 --> 00:17:33.460
The judge ruled that it was only he was only being,

892
00:17:33.620 --> 00:17:33.900
um,

893
00:17:34.550 --> 00:17:35.270
you're trying to.

894
00:17:36.030 --> 00:17:36.110
Wait,

895
00:17:36.190 --> 00:17:36.230
wait,

896
00:17:36.310 --> 00:17:36.390
wait,

897
00:17:36.510 --> 00:17:37.240
can I make my point?

898
00:17:37.310 --> 00:17:38.000
Can I make my point?

899
00:17:38.390 --> 00:17:41.680
A judge ruled that the only reason Mahmoud Khalil was,

900
00:17:41.710 --> 00:17:41.720
uh,

901
00:17:41.950 --> 00:17:42.110
was picked.

902
00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:44.690
Picked up by ICE was because of his speech.

903
00:17:44.940 --> 00:17:46.100
That is a First Amendment issue.

904
00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:47.780
If a judge is saying that it's not

905
00:17:47.780 --> 00:17:50.130
necessarily if they're not a permanent resident here.

906
00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:53.660
Incitement to should we be able to deport people that hate

907
00:17:53.660 --> 00:17:56.210
this country and they're calling for the destruction of this country?

908
00:17:56.500 --> 00:17:56.620
Well,

909
00:17:56.660 --> 00:17:57.470
it depends on who they are.

910
00:17:57.500 --> 00:17:57.820
If they're not,

911
00:17:57.860 --> 00:17:59.140
if they're not legal citizens here,

912
00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:00.530
if they're if they're here

913
00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:01.780
on a green card or a visa,

914
00:18:02.340 --> 00:18:02.500
like,

915
00:18:02.540 --> 00:18:02.820
for example,

916
00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:03.420
Marco Rubio,

917
00:18:03.580 --> 00:18:04.420
I think this was last week.

918
00:18:04.760 --> 00:18:07.420
He revoked 175,000 visas of people that,

919
00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:07.820
oh,

920
00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:09.500
different people that like were like saying like,

921
00:18:09.580 --> 00:18:09.700
oh,

922
00:18:09.820 --> 00:18:11.400
death to America and these,

923
00:18:11.660 --> 00:18:12.940
these crazy like

924
00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:14.170
essentially jihadists.

925
00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:14.500
Do you,

926
00:18:14.660 --> 00:18:14.780
do you,

927
00:18:14.860 --> 00:18:15.740
would you be against that?

928
00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:16.610
Do you think we should,

929
00:18:16.700 --> 00:18:17.170
I think it's host,

930
00:18:17.380 --> 00:18:20.110
do you think America should host people that hate this country?

931
00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:21.260
I think it's circumstantial.

932
00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:21.650
So,

933
00:18:21.740 --> 00:18:21.820
uh,

934
00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:22.260
yeah,

935
00:18:22.300 --> 00:18:23.380
I'm a big First Amendment guy.

936
00:18:23.580 --> 00:18:23.780
Sorry.

937
00:18:24.780 --> 00:18:25.860
I'm a big First Amendment guy too.

938
00:18:26.010 --> 00:18:28.540
If Mahmoud Khalil is advocating for Palestine and Colombia,

939
00:18:28.580 --> 00:18:29.620
and he's not what he was doing.

940
00:18:29.660 --> 00:18:29.980
That's exactly.

941
00:18:30.300 --> 00:18:30.810
What he was doing.

942
00:18:30.850 --> 00:18:32.350
And even if you disagree with,

943
00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.380
even if you disagree with his speech,

944
00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:34.840
that's great.

945
00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:36.750
You can disagree with a terrorist organization

946
00:18:36.750 --> 00:18:38.240
that's called that openly called whatever,

947
00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:38.820
however,

948
00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:40.630
however you interpret his speech,

949
00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:41.480
whether you interpret,

950
00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:42.000
however you,

951
00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:43.320
it is your interpretation,

952
00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:44.680
a speech is not objective.

953
00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:44.880
I mean,

954
00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:45.170
come on,

955
00:18:45.280 --> 00:18:46.310
we're this is basics.

956
00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:47.730
So however you interpret his speech,

957
00:18:47.740 --> 00:18:50.100
be constructed into abstractions so you can't argue.

958
00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.030
You're saying that his speech was one thing.

959
00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:53.400
It was just as a matter of,

960
00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:54.590
just as a matter of conversation,

961
00:18:54.690 --> 00:18:55.360
however you interpret.

962
00:18:55.510 --> 00:18:56.170
His speech,

963
00:18:56.300 --> 00:18:57.420
he should not be picked up,

964
00:18:57.540 --> 00:19:00.170
held in an ICE detention center for over 100 days

965
00:19:00.380 --> 00:19:01.300
because he said something

966
00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:01.910
that

967
00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:03.070
Donald Trump doesn't like with you.

968
00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:03.710
We can agree with that.

969
00:19:03.740 --> 00:19:05.260
I never said send his ass out of here.

970
00:19:05.350 --> 00:19:05.720
Now you're straw man.

971
00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:06.580
It's not a straw man.

972
00:19:06.620 --> 00:19:06.940
I don't know.

973
00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:08.750
When did I say that he should be we have to tolerate,

974
00:19:08.860 --> 00:19:10.380
obviously why do we have to said that he should be.

975
00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:12.560
Why do we have to tolerate people that hate this country?

976
00:19:12.570 --> 00:19:13.810
Because don't we have a First Amendment?

977
00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:15.100
We do have a First Amendment.

978
00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:16.490
Don't we have a principles that people

979
00:19:16.660 --> 00:19:18.240
don't we have principles we also have to be tolerant.

980
00:19:18.310 --> 00:19:19.270
We also have to be disagree with,

981
00:19:19.300 --> 00:19:19.530
you know,

982
00:19:19.540 --> 00:19:20.670
we also have the rule of law.

983
00:19:21.540 --> 00:19:21.820
So we,

984
00:19:21.940 --> 00:19:22.220
we need,

985
00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:23.940
we need an enforcement agency.

986
00:19:24.100 --> 00:19:25.490
We can say I like,

987
00:19:25.620 --> 00:19:26.500
I like terrorists.

988
00:19:26.540 --> 00:19:27.420
You can say I like Hamas.

989
00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:28.410
You can say I like all these things,

990
00:19:28.420 --> 00:19:29.980
and that is protected by the First Amendment.

991
00:19:30.260 --> 00:19:31.500
So we do have a rule of laws.

992
00:19:31.590 --> 00:19:32.190
There's

993
00:19:32.420 --> 00:19:34.700
there might be consequences depending on your legal.

994
00:19:34.780 --> 00:19:35.060
Let me just,

995
00:19:35.180 --> 00:19:36.140
let me just fatus here,

996
00:19:36.260 --> 00:19:36.500
but let me.

997
00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:36.890
Say

998
00:19:37.150 --> 00:19:38.220
on the topic of rule of law,

999
00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:39.020
you're a Trump supporter,

1000
00:19:39.040 --> 00:19:39.740
you like a felon,

1001
00:19:39.780 --> 00:19:41.180
so you apply the law.

1002
00:19:41.300 --> 00:19:42.610
You apply the law differently in some

1003
00:19:42.760 --> 00:19:43.220
instances straw man.

1004
00:19:43.910 --> 00:19:43.920
Do

1005
00:19:44.360 --> 00:19:45.110
you support Trump?

1006
00:19:45.220 --> 00:19:45.930
I support Trump,

1007
00:19:46.060 --> 00:19:46.580
but OK,

1008
00:19:46.620 --> 00:19:47.220
and he's a felon.

1009
00:19:47.420 --> 00:19:48.110
He's a felon.

1010
00:19:48.940 --> 00:19:49.580
We have to pause here.

1011
00:19:49.620 --> 00:19:50.290
You've been voted out.

1012
00:19:50.700 --> 00:19:51.110
Nice to meet you,

1013
00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:51.330
man.

1014
00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:51.850
Come back.

1015
00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:57.380
If you would like to be the next debater,

1016
00:19:57.540 --> 00:20:00.940
please get to the chair in 321.

1017
00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:02.520
Hey,

1018
00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:03.510
nice to see you again.

1019
00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:04.220
All right,

1020
00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:04.710
so

1021
00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.850
your claim regarding immigrants and their contribution to the economy,

1022
00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.320
I just want to check if that's good faith

1023
00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:11.490
because I suspect you might not agree with that.

1024
00:20:11.600 --> 00:20:11.910
So

1025
00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.090
you say that overall immigrants contribute more than they take from the system,

1026
00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:15.290
right?

1027
00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:16.640
And that's one of their huge pluses.

1028
00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.480
But you're bundling all immigrants together.

1029
00:20:18.560 --> 00:20:20.630
We could actually separate them out by country,

1030
00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.880
and you can see that some countries like Japan,

1031
00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:23.470
England,

1032
00:20:23.650 --> 00:20:23.920
China,

1033
00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:24.770
when they have immigrants.

1034
00:20:25.070 --> 00:20:26.570
They are huge net contributions,

1035
00:20:26.650 --> 00:20:26.920
right?

1036
00:20:27.250 --> 00:20:29.170
But then we can also see some countries aren't like Mexico

1037
00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:32.090
and El Salvador are on the bottom of net contribution.

1038
00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:34.720
Would you be OK if we restricted immigration from countries

1039
00:20:34.770 --> 00:20:37.530
that were net detractors to America rather than net benefactors?

1040
00:20:37.610 --> 00:20:37.650
No,

1041
00:20:37.690 --> 00:20:37.890
I mean,

1042
00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:39.090
I was hoping to get,

1043
00:20:39.170 --> 00:20:39.850
I was hoping that we,

1044
00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:40.050
no,

1045
00:20:40.060 --> 00:20:41.490
I wouldn't want to restrict that immigration from this place,

1046
00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:43.210
but I was hoping that we have GDP for you.

1047
00:20:43.450 --> 00:20:45.600
Our immigration policy in the United States should not just.

1048
00:20:45.760 --> 00:20:47.200
To be whether they are productive or not.

1049
00:20:47.230 --> 00:20:48.500
It should be part of the conversation.

1050
00:20:49.190 --> 00:20:50.060
GDP economy,

1051
00:20:50.070 --> 00:20:50.760
100%.

1052
00:20:50.950 --> 00:20:51.950
But also I think there has to be

1053
00:20:51.950 --> 00:20:54.230
a humanitarian perspective on the topic of immigration,

1054
00:20:54.390 --> 00:20:55.070
pragmatism.

1055
00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:55.550
Why?

1056
00:20:55.750 --> 00:20:56.670
Because they're human beings too.

1057
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:57.230
And if somebody,

1058
00:20:57.310 --> 00:20:57.950
for example,

1059
00:20:58.150 --> 00:21:00.400
is being persecuted based on a protected trait,

1060
00:21:00.430 --> 00:21:01.790
we have an asylum system for that.

1061
00:21:01.830 --> 00:21:01.950
I,

1062
00:21:02.030 --> 00:21:03.070
I support the asylum system.

1063
00:21:03.130 --> 00:21:04.590
I think that people should be able to claim asylum.

1064
00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:06.580
Why should we be the battered women's shelter of the world?

1065
00:21:07.220 --> 00:21:07.260
Because,

1066
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:07.500
well,

1067
00:21:07.540 --> 00:21:08.340
we've been that first of all,

1068
00:21:08.350 --> 00:21:09.020
we've been that our entire,

1069
00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:09.820
our entire existence.

1070
00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:10.320
We've had

1071
00:21:10.820 --> 00:21:12.620
we've had the Statue of Liberty that says bring me your huddle,

1072
00:21:12.700 --> 00:21:13.270
bring me your poor.

1073
00:21:13.340 --> 00:21:14.310
That's been a foundation

1074
00:21:14.570 --> 00:21:16.100
that's been a foundation of the United States.

1075
00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:17.420
But also if we as a country,

1076
00:21:17.620 --> 00:21:18.020
if we as

1077
00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:19.650
a country,

1078
00:21:19.820 --> 00:21:23.340
if we as a country can take people in who are being persecuted on protected traits,

1079
00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:25.300
I think we have a moral obligation to do that.

1080
00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:26.780
Not only is that moral,

1081
00:21:26.860 --> 00:21:27.950
but don't legislate your morality.

1082
00:21:28.060 --> 00:21:29.980
Please don't legislate your morality on my country.

1083
00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:31.710
That's what does that mean?

1084
00:21:31.830 --> 00:21:32.350
What I,

1085
00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:32.670
I don't know.

1086
00:21:32.710 --> 00:21:34.180
You guys say it all the time when Christians try to.

1087
00:21:34.510 --> 00:21:34.910
I've never,

1088
00:21:34.990 --> 00:21:35.830
I don't know what you're talking about.

1089
00:21:35.870 --> 00:21:36.700
I've never said that,

1090
00:21:36.790 --> 00:21:38.290
but I think we have a moral obligation.

1091
00:21:38.470 --> 00:21:40.640
You're lying about the Statue of Liberty thinking it's really gonna bother me.

1092
00:21:40.750 --> 00:21:43.270
You said it's always for our whole history said give me your tired report.

1093
00:21:43.390 --> 00:21:44.790
When was that added to the Statue of Liberty

1094
00:21:44.790 --> 00:21:45.830
because it didn't come with the original one.

1095
00:21:45.910 --> 00:21:46.030
Wait,

1096
00:21:46.110 --> 00:21:47.230
can you just respond to the broader point

1097
00:21:47.230 --> 00:21:48.830
as opposed to picking the Statue of Liberty.

1098
00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:50.030
Do you agree with the

1099
00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:50.690
or not?

1100
00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:50.800
No,

1101
00:21:50.860 --> 00:21:51.180
I don't.

1102
00:21:51.260 --> 00:21:51.380
OK,

1103
00:21:51.490 --> 00:21:52.060
so it's quite obvious.

1104
00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:53.580
So we should get rid of the asylum system as well.

1105
00:21:53.690 --> 00:21:53.700
Yes,

1106
00:21:53.820 --> 00:21:56.050
we should let people into this country when they would benefit the country.

1107
00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:58.160
We shouldn't let them in when they would be a net drain to the country.

1108
00:21:58.220 --> 00:21:58.820
So that's crazy.

1109
00:21:58.900 --> 00:21:59.720
In World War II,

1110
00:21:59.980 --> 00:22:03.340
when there was a boat of Jews who came from Europe who were being attacked by Germany,

1111
00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:04.330
we turned them away.

1112
00:22:04.620 --> 00:22:04.780
Yeah,

1113
00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:06.390
would you be in favor of turning them away?

1114
00:22:06.500 --> 00:22:06.540
No,

1115
00:22:06.700 --> 00:22:07.860
Jews benefit this country.

1116
00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:09.150
Do you disagree with that?

1117
00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:09.380
Wait,

1118
00:22:09.460 --> 00:22:09.540
so,

1119
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:09.870
so my,

1120
00:22:09.940 --> 00:22:10.580
what I just said,

1121
00:22:10.590 --> 00:22:10.610
wait,

1122
00:22:10.820 --> 00:22:10.900
wait,

1123
00:22:11.020 --> 00:22:11.030
wait,

1124
00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:11.140
wait,

1125
00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:12.290
people live in your morality,

1126
00:22:12.580 --> 00:22:13.960
your morality says that if,

1127
00:22:14.040 --> 00:22:15.560
if they would benefit America,

1128
00:22:15.820 --> 00:22:18.910
if they're being attacked by a foreign power or their government or something,

1129
00:22:19.020 --> 00:22:20.410
we should only let them in

1130
00:22:20.540 --> 00:22:21.380
if they are productive,

1131
00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:22.990
not because they're being attacked by foreign.

1132
00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:24.550
Obviously if they benefit America,

1133
00:22:24.820 --> 00:22:25.030
are you,

1134
00:22:25.180 --> 00:22:26.060
are you religious by any chance?

1135
00:22:26.100 --> 00:22:26.150
No,

1136
00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:27.030
you're not religious.

1137
00:22:27.100 --> 00:22:27.180
No,

1138
00:22:27.250 --> 00:22:27.700
I'm not religious.

1139
00:22:27.730 --> 00:22:28.180
I'm an atheist,

1140
00:22:28.220 --> 00:22:29.780
so I'll just make it we're two atheists and

1141
00:22:29.780 --> 00:22:32.180
you've come to basically like a weird Catholic Christian.

1142
00:22:32.310 --> 00:22:33.980
Morality of we've got to help the world and it's not,

1143
00:22:34.060 --> 00:22:35.450
it's not a Catholic or Christian when

1144
00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:35.860
we

1145
00:22:36.030 --> 00:22:36.590
have that as Catholic.

1146
00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:38.380
I don't know where you're deriving from that

1147
00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:39.460
we have to be the battered woman's shelter.

1148
00:22:39.540 --> 00:22:40.510
What's your moral principle

1149
00:22:40.660 --> 00:22:41.100
that you're going?

1150
00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:41.220
I,

1151
00:22:41.300 --> 00:22:44.260
I think that if the United States has the capacity and there are,

1152
00:22:44.300 --> 00:22:44.620
for example,

1153
00:22:44.780 --> 00:22:46.380
Jews in World War II who are being persecuted,

1154
00:22:46.420 --> 00:22:46.940
we should let them in.

1155
00:22:47.020 --> 00:22:47.700
That's just like,

1156
00:22:47.860 --> 00:22:50.310
what's the moral principle just like just like be a hecking good person.

1157
00:22:50.420 --> 00:22:52.480
Like what is your basic moral principle you're going on?

1158
00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:53.750
Just like with Mexico,

1159
00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:55.890
if somebody is being targeted by cartels

1160
00:22:56.020 --> 00:22:57.740
and we Have an opportunity to let them in the United States

1161
00:22:57.740 --> 00:22:59.950
or at least have that legal process play out with asylum.

1162
00:22:59.980 --> 00:23:00.670
We should do that.

1163
00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:02.820
But if it doesn't benefit America and I don't

1164
00:23:02.820 --> 00:23:04.610
want to do something that doesn't benefit America,

1165
00:23:04.860 --> 00:23:06.500
what's your argument to me as to why I should do that?

1166
00:23:06.540 --> 00:23:06.660
Wait,

1167
00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:09.010
why should I do something unbeneficial to our country?

1168
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:10.460
They do benefit the United States.

1169
00:23:10.540 --> 00:23:10.550
Well,

1170
00:23:10.660 --> 00:23:12.020
we just went over this just because,

1171
00:23:12.260 --> 00:23:13.100
so let's go over Mexico,

1172
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:13.460
for example.

1173
00:23:13.620 --> 00:23:15.420
You said that they are less productive for the United States

1174
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.900
in a country like China in terms of immigrant productive.

1175
00:23:16.940 --> 00:23:18.380
I'm saying they are in terms of immigrants.

1176
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.140
They cost more on government services in terms.

1177
00:23:20.310 --> 00:23:20.900
Of immigrants,

1178
00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:21.230
are they,

1179
00:23:21.340 --> 00:23:22.660
are they more productive for the United States?

1180
00:23:22.930 --> 00:23:22.980
No,

1181
00:23:23.020 --> 00:23:23.750
I just gave you the stat.

1182
00:23:23.900 --> 00:23:23.980
No,

1183
00:23:24.260 --> 00:23:25.260
I just gave you the stat on that.

1184
00:23:25.340 --> 00:23:28.580
So they cost more tax services than they contribute taxes,

1185
00:23:28.780 --> 00:23:28.870
right?

1186
00:23:28.940 --> 00:23:30.260
They are a net drain on the budget.

1187
00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:30.540
Great.

1188
00:23:30.780 --> 00:23:30.910
So,

1189
00:23:30.940 --> 00:23:33.030
but you're saying that for that applies to immigrants,

1190
00:23:33.140 --> 00:23:33.500
for example,

1191
00:23:33.550 --> 00:23:34.860
from like China versus immigrants.

1192
00:23:35.100 --> 00:23:35.740
China is a positive.

1193
00:23:35.830 --> 00:23:35.840
Well,

1194
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:36.420
China's positive.

1195
00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:36.540
Yeah,

1196
00:23:36.620 --> 00:23:36.700
yeah.

1197
00:23:36.780 --> 00:23:37.530
So for positive,

1198
00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:37.780
yeah,

1199
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:38.620
that applies to China,

1200
00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:39.740
not for like El Salvador,

1201
00:23:39.860 --> 00:23:39.950
right?

1202
00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:40.400
El Salvador,

1203
00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:43.450
I think is the bottom line of like contribution versus cost 100%.

1204
00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:44.250
So in my

1205
00:23:44.540 --> 00:23:45.340
In my perspective,

1206
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:46.070
just to lay it out,

1207
00:23:46.260 --> 00:23:49.330
if somebody from El Salvador is being targeted because of their identity,

1208
00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:50.940
or if they make a valid asylum claim,

1209
00:23:51.020 --> 00:23:52.740
I see no reason not to let them in the United States,

1210
00:23:52.820 --> 00:23:54.860
even if it might be a drain on our federal budget.

1211
00:23:55.020 --> 00:23:57.300
The valid asylum claim is an appeal to existing law.

1212
00:23:57.340 --> 00:23:58.900
I'm suggesting changing the existing law.

1213
00:23:58.980 --> 00:23:59.570
So to what?

1214
00:23:59.830 --> 00:24:01.990
To we shouldn't let people in on the basis of asylum.

1215
00:24:02.060 --> 00:24:04.540
We should analyze whether or not they will contribute to the country.

1216
00:24:04.660 --> 00:24:06.650
So then what should we do to make illegal immigration easier?

1217
00:24:06.780 --> 00:24:07.870
To make illegal immigration easier,

1218
00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:08.140
legal.

1219
00:24:08.670 --> 00:24:09.270
We should do so.

1220
00:24:09.350 --> 00:24:09.450
Well,

1221
00:24:09.510 --> 00:24:10.550
I'm not saying it should be easier,

1222
00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:11.190
but I'm saying,

1223
00:24:11.270 --> 00:24:12.030
so we should make it harder.

1224
00:24:12.150 --> 00:24:15.110
We should have it be based on analysis of whether you'll contribute to the country,

1225
00:24:15.310 --> 00:24:16.820
not just this arbitrary quantify that.

1226
00:24:16.830 --> 00:24:17.070
What should,

1227
00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:17.980
what should the law be?

1228
00:24:17.990 --> 00:24:19.150
Just like if they have money,

1229
00:24:19.510 --> 00:24:19.820
education,

1230
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:20.830
specialized skills,

1231
00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:21.410
training,

1232
00:24:21.590 --> 00:24:22.400
things like that,

1233
00:24:22.410 --> 00:24:22.550
that,

1234
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:23.710
that's already what the law is.

1235
00:24:23.790 --> 00:24:24.380
It's not.

1236
00:24:24.510 --> 00:24:24.630
Yes,

1237
00:24:24.670 --> 00:24:24.910
it is.

1238
00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:25.070
No,

1239
00:24:25.110 --> 00:24:28.230
you can literally come to America without really any sort of meaningful display.

1240
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:29.040
Of contribution.

1241
00:24:29.120 --> 00:24:29.240
Yeah,

1242
00:24:29.560 --> 00:24:30.680
that's absolutely not true.

1243
00:24:30.760 --> 00:24:33.200
There's a lottery system for workers to come into the United States.

1244
00:24:33.280 --> 00:24:34.120
There's only shouldn't be right.

1245
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.040
There's only around a 35% acceptance rate.

1246
00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:37.860
It's especially bad for lower income workers.

1247
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.380
So what should the law be?

1248
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:40.210
Because you're you're advocating,

1249
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:41.880
you're advocating for what the law is right now.

1250
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:42.720
What should the law be,

1251
00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:42.880
right?

1252
00:24:42.890 --> 00:24:43.920
I'm explaining it shouldn't be a law.

1253
00:24:44.010 --> 00:24:44.080
OK,

1254
00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:44.720
we got to pause.

1255
00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:46.200
We're out of time for this claim.

1256
00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:46.590
All right,

1257
00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:47.440
maybe I'll see you again.

1258
00:24:47.520 --> 00:24:48.040
Absolutely.

1259
00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:53.100
My next surrounding claim is that Donald

1260
00:24:53.100 --> 00:24:55.660
Trump has normalized political violence in America.

1261
00:24:55.790 --> 00:24:57.300
If you'd like to be the first debater,

1262
00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:01.060
please get to the chair in 321.

1263
00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:03.080
Oh,

1264
00:25:03.350 --> 00:25:03.750
how's it going?

1265
00:25:03.970 --> 00:25:04.350
Nice to meet you,

1266
00:25:04.390 --> 00:25:04.630
man.

1267
00:25:04.990 --> 00:25:05.270
Charlie,

1268
00:25:05.670 --> 00:25:06.180
nice to meet you.

1269
00:25:06.650 --> 00:25:08.910
So I actually say that the media has done

1270
00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:11.850
a great job in normalizing political violence in America

1271
00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:15.220
because of what they have said about Trump supporters for the past

1272
00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:18.190
8 years since President Trump started running for office,

1273
00:25:18.270 --> 00:25:19.590
they've called us racist,

1274
00:25:19.790 --> 00:25:20.960
they've called us homophobic,

1275
00:25:21.070 --> 00:25:22.510
they've called us transphobic,

1276
00:25:22.630 --> 00:25:23.610
they've called us bigots,

1277
00:25:23.630 --> 00:25:24.270
and because of that,

1278
00:25:24.350 --> 00:25:25.750
a lot of the people on the left are

1279
00:25:25.750 --> 00:25:29.340
hearing these things and they're being radicalized by the media

1280
00:25:29.470 --> 00:25:33.270
and therefore they're taking steps forward to commit acts of violence.

1281
00:25:33.430 --> 00:25:33.690
We've

1282
00:25:33.810 --> 00:25:36.420
Seeing people on the radical left time and time again

1283
00:25:36.530 --> 00:25:37.310
commit these acts,

1284
00:25:37.330 --> 00:25:38.560
whether it be riots in

1285
00:25:38.890 --> 00:25:42.410
big cities like LA or New York City or Baltimore

1286
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.330
or

1287
00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:45.090
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

1288
00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:46.000
Unfortunately,

1289
00:25:46.010 --> 00:25:47.160
these people have been

1290
00:25:47.390 --> 00:25:48.660
being radicalized greatly,

1291
00:25:48.690 --> 00:25:49.930
not by Donald Trump,

1292
00:25:50.050 --> 00:25:52.320
but by the media's rhetoric of

1293
00:25:52.690 --> 00:25:53.810
Republicans and magazines.

1294
00:25:53.930 --> 00:25:54.280
So

1295
00:25:54.430 --> 00:25:55.160
let's just say,

1296
00:25:55.330 --> 00:25:56.650
because I want to understand your point a little bit more.

1297
00:25:57.250 --> 00:25:59.520
Let's just say hypothetically I were to call you,

1298
00:25:59.810 --> 00:26:00.390
um,

1299
00:26:00.600 --> 00:26:00.730
a.

1300
00:26:00.980 --> 00:26:01.530
Fascist,

1301
00:26:01.670 --> 00:26:02.670
a communist,

1302
00:26:02.830 --> 00:26:04.640
and a gnat that I had to get rid of,

1303
00:26:04.710 --> 00:26:05.390
like a gnat,

1304
00:26:05.430 --> 00:26:05.910
like a bug.

1305
00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:08.510
Would you think that's inciting violence against you as a Trump supporter?

1306
00:26:08.590 --> 00:26:08.870
No,

1307
00:26:09.110 --> 00:26:09.510
you wouldn't.

1308
00:26:09.620 --> 00:26:09.710
I,

1309
00:26:09.790 --> 00:26:10.560
I don't think so at all.

1310
00:26:10.590 --> 00:26:12.150
I think that you would be making those claims,

1311
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.460
and it's up to me whether or not I want to be

1312
00:26:14.670 --> 00:26:16.550
radicalized by those claims.

1313
00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:18.030
I know that I'm not those things,

1314
00:26:18.110 --> 00:26:19.150
so I would just brush that.

1315
00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:21.470
So then how can you claim that the media is inciting violence?

1316
00:26:21.510 --> 00:26:21.670
I mean,

1317
00:26:21.820 --> 00:26:24.390
aren't those claims at least somewhat similar to what they were saying,

1318
00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:27.350
we've seen political violence go up these last few years.

1319
00:26:27.430 --> 00:26:28.060
Would you agree?

1320
00:26:28.570 --> 00:26:28.870
Uh,

1321
00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:29.320
well,

1322
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:30.180
what's the time frame?

1323
00:26:30.320 --> 00:26:30.440
Well,

1324
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.170
between 2016 and 2026,

1325
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:35.410
and we've seen the media

1326
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:36.710
really

1327
00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:40.000
name names as far as Trump supporters.

1328
00:26:40.080 --> 00:26:41.000
They call us names.

1329
00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:41.830
They call us

1330
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:42.860
horrible things,

1331
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.080
and people are hearing these things like people on the radical left.

1332
00:26:46.340 --> 00:26:48.750
And they're taking matters into their own hands and therefore

1333
00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:49.780
committing these,

1334
00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:51.230
these acts of violence.

1335
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:51.620
I mean,

1336
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:52.370
I mean,

1337
00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:53.260
I mean,

1338
00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:54.820
we could use Charlie Currick as an example.

1339
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:55.060
I mean,

1340
00:26:55.100 --> 00:26:56.450
he was sitting right where you were

1341
00:26:56.840 --> 00:26:58.300
almost a year ago and they,

1342
00:26:58.420 --> 00:26:58.860
they killed him.

1343
00:26:58.900 --> 00:26:59.520
He's dead.

1344
00:26:59.660 --> 00:26:59.900
And,

1345
00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:02.420
and it was somebody on the radical left side who,

1346
00:27:02.510 --> 00:27:03.930
who pulled the trigger

1347
00:27:04.340 --> 00:27:05.730
and they were.

1348
00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:07.630
Radicalized not by

1349
00:27:07.840 --> 00:27:08.630
Donald Trump,

1350
00:27:08.840 --> 00:27:10.860
but they're radicalized by what the media,

1351
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:11.830
in my opinion,

1352
00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:13.910
was saying about

1353
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.640
us as Republicans,

1354
00:27:15.800 --> 00:27:16.350
us as Trump.

1355
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:16.600
I mean,

1356
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.870
do you hold Donald Trump accountable for his rhetoric because,

1357
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:19.280
for example,

1358
00:27:19.320 --> 00:27:20.080
on social media,

1359
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.420
he posted a video that included a truck

1360
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:25.440
that had an image of Joe Biden hog tied in the back.

1361
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:25.800
Sure,

1362
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.810
but is that not inciting violence against,

1363
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.080
did that lead to any act of physical violence?

1364
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.330
Actually there have been people prosecuted for alleged

1365
00:27:32.330 --> 00:27:33.850
threats against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's life.

1366
00:27:34.090 --> 00:27:34.170
Yeah,

1367
00:27:34.250 --> 00:27:34.530
but they,

1368
00:27:34.610 --> 00:27:34.910
I mean,

1369
00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:36.540
people threatened every president,

1370
00:27:36.650 --> 00:27:36.810
you know,

1371
00:27:36.850 --> 00:27:38.690
you could say there's hundreds and hundreds of threats,

1372
00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:40.610
but who actually went forth and did something?

1373
00:27:40.690 --> 00:27:40.730
Well,

1374
00:27:40.810 --> 00:27:41.840
when Donald Trump is posting,

1375
00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:43.690
when Donald Trump is posting images like this,

1376
00:27:43.810 --> 00:27:44.450
I think that's bad.

1377
00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:45.890
I think that's inciting political violence.

1378
00:27:46.090 --> 00:27:46.490
And also,

1379
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:48.220
when I think Donald Trump was running the first time,

1380
00:27:48.250 --> 00:27:49.170
he had rallies

1381
00:27:49.410 --> 00:27:52.530
where there was a protester that was thrown out and he offered to pay

1382
00:27:52.530 --> 00:27:54.130
the legal bills of anybody that punched

1383
00:27:54.130 --> 00:27:56.120
that protester who obviously disagreed with him.

1384
00:27:56.450 --> 00:27:58.450
Is that not normalizing political violence in America?

1385
00:27:58.530 --> 00:27:58.850
I don't.

1386
00:27:58.890 --> 00:27:59.370
I think when you say,

1387
00:27:59.690 --> 00:28:01.770
is he normalizing political violence in America?

1388
00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:05.220
Meaning we see it a lot more often because of Donald Trump.

1389
00:28:05.300 --> 00:28:07.010
So the reason we're seeing political violence,

1390
00:28:07.100 --> 00:28:09.330
the reason we're seeing acts of violence take place

1391
00:28:09.620 --> 00:28:10.880
is because of Donald Trump.

1392
00:28:11.020 --> 00:28:11.550
That's what you're saying.

1393
00:28:11.580 --> 00:28:12.060
You don't think it's,

1394
00:28:12.100 --> 00:28:12.300
it's,

1395
00:28:12.340 --> 00:28:16.010
it's interesting that Donald Trump's rise in politics has also coincided

1396
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.620
with a rise in threats against political officials,

1397
00:28:18.700 --> 00:28:19.220
poll workers,

1398
00:28:19.260 --> 00:28:19.810
and things like that.

1399
00:28:19.820 --> 00:28:22.940
You don't think it's a coincidental that after 2021 we saw an

1400
00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:25.510
increase of threats toward judges or people in the legal field,

1401
00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:29.090
so much so that Chief Justice John Roberts in his end of year report in 2024,

1402
00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:29.580
uh.

1403
00:28:29.760 --> 00:28:32.750
Specifically condemn these threats against judges that came after Donald

1404
00:28:32.750 --> 00:28:34.310
Trump was doing everything that he did with the 2014.

1405
00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:34.710
Maybe,

1406
00:28:35.030 --> 00:28:35.500
like I said,

1407
00:28:35.510 --> 00:28:36.640
maybe we've seen threats.

1408
00:28:36.750 --> 00:28:37.860
Maybe we've seen

1409
00:28:38.110 --> 00:28:40.340
rhetoric on social media from

1410
00:28:40.490 --> 00:28:41.750
people on the conservative side,

1411
00:28:41.830 --> 00:28:44.270
but we've also seen it with people on the left side as well.

1412
00:28:44.350 --> 00:28:45.660
What I'm talking about is like

1413
00:28:46.030 --> 00:28:46.990
from the people on the left side,

1414
00:28:47.030 --> 00:28:47.990
we've seen action.

1415
00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:50.700
We've seen not just have we not seen action from the Republicans?

1416
00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:51.670
Name me an example.

1417
00:28:51.790 --> 00:28:52.480
Melissa Hortman,

1418
00:28:52.790 --> 00:28:54.430
a state legislator in Minnesota,

1419
00:28:54.550 --> 00:28:56.920
shot and killed in her house along with her dog and her,

1420
00:28:56.990 --> 00:28:57.550
her husband.

1421
00:28:57.890 --> 00:28:58.920
By a Trump supporter.

1422
00:28:58.960 --> 00:28:59.840
His name was Vance Bolter,

1423
00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:00.920
self-proclaimed Trump supporter.

1424
00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:02.530
He had a list of people he wanted to target,

1425
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.040
all Democratic representatives,

1426
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:04.960
and I want to be clear,

1427
00:29:05.040 --> 00:29:07.080
I'm not claiming that there have never been anybody on

1428
00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:09.800
the left who hasn't acted violently or killed anybody.

1429
00:29:10.030 --> 00:29:11.320
There's more people on the right than people.

1430
00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:12.750
I think that Donald Trump has encouraged it.

1431
00:29:12.760 --> 00:29:15.080
And also the data does show that it's more often in

1432
00:29:15.080 --> 00:29:16.800
common on the right than it is on the left.

1433
00:29:16.910 --> 00:29:18.370
I think that we have to pause here.

1434
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:19.530
You've been voted out by the majority.

1435
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:19.910
Thank you.

1436
00:29:20.100 --> 00:29:20.240
Thanks,

1437
00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:20.550
man.

1438
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:21.270
We'll talk soon.

1439
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.600
Nice to meet you too.

1440
00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:26.310
If you'd like to be the next debater,

1441
00:29:26.470 --> 00:29:29.660
please get to the chair in 321.

1442
00:29:32.370 --> 00:29:32.760
Hey man,

1443
00:29:33.050 --> 00:29:33.380
Harry,

1444
00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:33.670
OK,

1445
00:29:33.750 --> 00:29:36.260
so the claim you made is that President Trump has

1446
00:29:36.270 --> 00:29:38.270
led to an increased political violence has normalized it,

1447
00:29:38.510 --> 00:29:40.300
normalized and also an increase for sure.

1448
00:29:40.470 --> 00:29:43.790
So I think when we look at at least around your age,

1449
00:29:43.830 --> 00:29:45.350
and I don't know your exact age,

1450
00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:46.070
so I apologize,

1451
00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:46.630
23,

1452
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:47.220
so

1453
00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:48.190
I'm 27.

1454
00:29:48.270 --> 00:29:49.710
So in our lifetime we look at the

1455
00:29:49.710 --> 00:29:52.620
most significant acts of political violence being conducted

1456
00:29:52.830 --> 00:29:53.590
in America.

1457
00:29:53.950 --> 00:29:56.100
The three most significant acts in

1458
00:29:56.350 --> 00:29:57.580
general order would be

1459
00:29:57.750 --> 00:29:58.030
first,

1460
00:29:58.070 --> 00:30:00.270
the assassination attempt of the members

1461
00:30:00.270 --> 00:30:02.310
of Congress during the congressional baseball game

1462
00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:05.230
where Republican member of Congress Steve Scalise was the one

1463
00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:08.310
who was victimized by a radical Bernie Sanders supporter.

1464
00:30:08.830 --> 00:30:10.140
We'll look at the next

1465
00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:12.080
very notable act of political violence

1466
00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:14.540
of President Trump's assassination attempt where

1467
00:30:14.670 --> 00:30:18.420
we were inches away from absolute civil unrest in this society

1468
00:30:18.630 --> 00:30:21.140
from a radicalized left-wing lunatic

1469
00:30:21.350 --> 00:30:22.140
trying to shoot

1470
00:30:22.430 --> 00:30:23.150
President Republican,

1471
00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:23.470
by the way,

1472
00:30:23.550 --> 00:30:24.000
but sure.

1473
00:30:24.890 --> 00:30:27.050
And then we move on to the third act.

1474
00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:29.530
An individual who sat in this room a year ago,

1475
00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:30.370
Charlie Kirk,

1476
00:30:30.410 --> 00:30:31.360
was killed

1477
00:30:31.970 --> 00:30:33.880
by a radical left-wing

1478
00:30:34.210 --> 00:30:34.370
Democrat.

1479
00:30:34.490 --> 00:30:34.690
So I,

1480
00:30:34.770 --> 00:30:35.680
I ask you,

1481
00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:35.990
uh,

1482
00:30:36.130 --> 00:30:39.040
how long did it take you to put on your clown makeup this morning

1483
00:30:39.050 --> 00:30:43.440
to ask those questions and try to claim that President Trump is responsible for

1484
00:30:43.570 --> 00:30:45.620
the rise of political violence in this country?

1485
00:30:45.650 --> 00:30:47.160
How many times you practiced that in the mirror?

1486
00:30:47.770 --> 00:30:48.050
Didn't.

1487
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.460
Nobody laughed.

1488
00:30:49.520 --> 00:30:49.880
So I was,

1489
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.120
you know,

1490
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:50.560
kind of,

1491
00:30:50.600 --> 00:30:51.630
kind of fell flat at least.

1492
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:52.280
Um,

1493
00:30:52.560 --> 00:30:55.450
but you are missing a couple of examples of political violence in there,

1494
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:55.920
I noticed.

1495
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:56.950
And of course,

1496
00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:58.920
I'll get to the topics that you mentioned,

1497
00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.590
but you

1498
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:00.880
forgot Melissa Hortman,

1499
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:02.870
who I just mentioned to the gentleman I was just speaking to.

1500
00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:04.790
And you also forgot January 6th.

1501
00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:07.410
example of political violence in American history.

1502
00:31:07.570 --> 00:31:09.680
So I'm glad you actually mentioned January 6th.

1503
00:31:09.810 --> 00:31:09.910
OK,

1504
00:31:10.090 --> 00:31:10.370
go ahead.

1505
00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:11.540
If you want to mention January 6th,

1506
00:31:11.580 --> 00:31:12.650
we talked about actual impact,

1507
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.870
and I'm not going to sit here and defend January 6th.

1508
00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:15.250
In fact,

1509
00:31:15.290 --> 00:31:18.620
I'm going to say that any action of breaking into a government building is horrible.

1510
00:31:18.850 --> 00:31:19.400
I do not

1511
00:31:19.810 --> 00:31:20.250
condone it.

1512
00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:22.170
I do not want anybody to support that action.

1513
00:31:22.820 --> 00:31:26.340
I look at the actual impact of the actions of political violence.

1514
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:27.980
There's political violence on both sides.

1515
00:31:28.060 --> 00:31:30.320
Pew Research shows that both sides view

1516
00:31:30.470 --> 00:31:34.610
pretty much equally that the opposing side is more violent than their side,

1517
00:31:34.620 --> 00:31:35.290
and that they are

1518
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.530
dealing with expressed beliefs where the other side is

1519
00:31:38.740 --> 00:31:40.060
essentially more violent than them.

1520
00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:41.380
Statistically speaking,

1521
00:31:41.820 --> 00:31:43.970
both sides have the same viewpoint of that.

1522
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:45.500
We look at the most notable examples.

1523
00:31:45.540 --> 00:31:46.930
You talk about January 6th,

1524
00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:49.630
the summer before that we had the George Floyd riots.

1525
00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:51.220
We want to talk about the actual impact.

1526
00:31:51.230 --> 00:31:52.420
93% of those were peaceful.

1527
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.430
93%.

1528
00:31:53.510 --> 00:31:53.690
OK,

1529
00:31:53.790 --> 00:31:54.630
we want to talk about the action.

1530
00:31:54.740 --> 00:31:54.970
By the way,

1531
00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:57.590
anybody that did anything wrong should be convicted and in jail.

1532
00:31:57.630 --> 00:31:58.460
I have no problem with that.

1533
00:31:58.630 --> 00:31:59.920
But Donald Trump with January 6th,

1534
00:32:00.030 --> 00:32:02.590
he had a bunch of people beating police officers almost to death,

1535
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:02.890
uh,

1536
00:32:03.070 --> 00:32:04.330
threatening to kill members of Congress,

1537
00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:05.190
wanting to hang Mike Pence.

1538
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:05.780
And what did,

1539
00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:06.830
what did Trump do to them?

1540
00:32:06.910 --> 00:32:08.150
What did Trump do for them?

1541
00:32:09.390 --> 00:32:11.510
Trump told people on January 6th to stand down.

1542
00:32:11.550 --> 00:32:11.570
Back,

1543
00:32:11.590 --> 00:32:13.350
back to the George Floyd riots,

1544
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:13.410
uh,

1545
00:32:13.830 --> 00:32:15.750
going to the actual impact of these policies.

1546
00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:16.750
I feel like how much,

1547
00:32:17.030 --> 00:32:17.840
how much damage.

1548
00:32:18.130 --> 00:32:18.290
Uh,

1549
00:32:18.450 --> 00:32:19.680
was caused during January 6th.

1550
00:32:19.730 --> 00:32:20.520
About how much damage?

1551
00:32:20.710 --> 00:32:20.780
Um,

1552
00:32:20.970 --> 00:32:22.610
I think it was in terms of property damage.

1553
00:32:22.730 --> 00:32:23.290
Property damage,

1554
00:32:23.370 --> 00:32:24.470
I think it was under a billion dollars.

1555
00:32:24.670 --> 00:32:26.620
I mean it was estimated at $2.7 million.

1556
00:32:27.090 --> 00:32:27.120
Yeah,

1557
00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:27.390
right.

1558
00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:27.760
So

1559
00:32:28.010 --> 00:32:29.650
the George Floyd riots the summer before,

1560
00:32:29.730 --> 00:32:32.330
you know what the estimate was from insurance claims from private companies,

1561
00:32:32.410 --> 00:32:32.930
businesses,

1562
00:32:33.090 --> 00:32:34.810
many of whom were black owned businesses.

1563
00:32:35.250 --> 00:32:38.100
It was over $1 billion of property damage.

1564
00:32:38.210 --> 00:32:41.530
We talk about the impact of violence on the left versus violence on the right.

1565
00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:43.010
$2.7 million.

1566
00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:44.130
Versus 1

1567
00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:44.790
million.

1568
00:32:44.910 --> 00:32:46.550
Are you talking about mainstream Democrats?

1569
00:32:46.630 --> 00:32:46.670
Yeah,

1570
00:32:46.790 --> 00:32:47.750
like when is Joe Biden,

1571
00:32:47.990 --> 00:32:48.250
for example,

1572
00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:50.790
when is Joe Biden or Kamala Harris ever pardoned

1573
00:32:50.790 --> 00:32:52.630
those people or said that that was OK?

1574
00:32:52.710 --> 00:32:53.510
Advocating for it,

1575
00:32:53.590 --> 00:32:56.740
putting links to donate to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to try to

1576
00:32:57.110 --> 00:32:58.460
have people's legal defense.

1577
00:32:58.550 --> 00:32:58.630
Yeah,

1578
00:32:58.710 --> 00:33:00.960
bail fund for rioters people's legal defense.

1579
00:33:01.070 --> 00:33:02.790
Did Kamala Harris or Joe Biden ever say,

1580
00:33:02.950 --> 00:33:03.030
wait,

1581
00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:03.410
hold on.

1582
00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:06.340
Did Kamala Harris or Joe Biden ever say that if you commit political violence

1583
00:33:06.550 --> 00:33:08.020
or anything along those lines,

1584
00:33:08.370 --> 00:33:08.990
Pardon you.

1585
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.000
Or did they give anybody a pardon that

1586
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.960
committed political violence like beating police officers,

1587
00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:13.540
for example?

1588
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:14.720
The implication when you

1589
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.440
share a donation link to a rioter bail fund

1590
00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:21.000
is the answer is not the actions of that rioter.

1591
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:21.280
OK,

1592
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.680
so does that mean that Donald Trump supports the actions of

1593
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.260
January 6th insurrectionists who beat police officers because he part,

1594
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:26.660
OK,

1595
00:33:26.760 --> 00:33:27.000
so wait,

1596
00:33:27.080 --> 00:33:27.510
hold on.

1597
00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:29.670
If you share a donation link for

1598
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.320
somebody to hire a lawyer,

1599
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:32.560
that means you support their actions.

1600
00:33:32.600 --> 00:33:35.360
But if you pardon them beating police officers and call them wonderful people,

1601
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.440
that means you don't support them.

1602
00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:39.040
When did he say that people were wonderful people?

1603
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:40.390
January 6th,

1604
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.000
he said they're great people who love

1605
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000
our country advocate for beating police officers.

1606
00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:45.780
When did he advocate for the actual

1607
00:33:46.280 --> 00:33:46.400
wait,

1608
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:47.720
by your own definition,

1609
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:49.640
Donald Trump supports it because you said Kamala

1610
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.650
Harris posting a link means she supports it.

1611
00:33:51.800 --> 00:33:52.750
So by your own definition,

1612
00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:54.630
if Donald Trump is pardoning those people

1613
00:33:54.750 --> 00:33:56.670
and saying that they're great people who love this country,

1614
00:33:56.800 --> 00:33:57.720
by your own definition,

1615
00:33:57.840 --> 00:33:59.590
Donald Trump must support what they were doing.

1616
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:00.160
And by the way,

1617
00:34:00.280 --> 00:34:02.590
we have extensive reporting that during January 6th,

1618
00:34:02.760 --> 00:34:04.640
Donald Trump was watching it take place on Fox.

1619
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.000
News and his family,

1620
00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:07.960
his advisors were begging him to do something.

1621
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.199
Tell people to be peaceful,

1622
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.120
tell people to go home.

1623
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:11.030
He wouldn't do it.

1624
00:34:11.120 --> 00:34:13.920
When he was confronted with the fact that people were chanting Hang Mike Pence,

1625
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:14.199
he said,

1626
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:14.440
Well,

1627
00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:15.630
maybe he deserves it.

1628
00:34:16.120 --> 00:34:17.679
Is that not normalizing political violence?

1629
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.159
Is not the act of pardoning them normalizing political violence?

1630
00:34:20.250 --> 00:34:21.120
On January 6th,

1631
00:34:21.290 --> 00:34:23.620
President Trump very clearly tweeted out

1632
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.949
publicly for those how long after

1633
00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:27.679
President Trump tweeted,

1634
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:28.150
come on,

1635
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:29.780
during the riots on January 6th.

1636
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.440
Walk in for me.

1637
00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:31.120
How long after?

1638
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:31.760
How long after?

1639
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.840
I believe it was within an hour.

1640
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:34.310
Within an hour and what

1641
00:34:34.610 --> 00:34:36.429
and what tweet did he also post in that time?

1642
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.230
He told people to stand by and stand down.

1643
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:38.530
No,

1644
00:34:38.909 --> 00:34:39.000
no,

1645
00:34:39.080 --> 00:34:39.320
he did.

1646
00:34:39.370 --> 00:34:39.480
Well,

1647
00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:39.940
first of all,

1648
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:40.750
he didn't tweet that.

1649
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.350
That was in the 2020 debate when he told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by.

1650
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:45.130
But during that time,

1651
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.520
he also tweeted that Mike Pence just has to do the right thing.

1652
00:34:47.600 --> 00:34:49.360
He knew that violence was taking place and

1653
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.030
he was still attacking his vice president,

1654
00:34:51.080 --> 00:34:53.000
who was in the Capitol building.

1655
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:53.400
Wait,

1656
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:53.830
so

1657
00:34:54.080 --> 00:34:57.240
we're going all the way back to the actual point of this prompt talk about political

1658
00:34:57.340 --> 00:34:57.620
violence

1659
00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.410
voted out by the majority.

1660
00:34:59.640 --> 00:34:59.760
OK,

1661
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:00.320
thank you.

1662
00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:00.720
Thanks,

1663
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:01.000
man.

1664
00:35:03.970 --> 00:35:05.490
If you would like to be the next debater,

1665
00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:09.020
please get to the chair in 321.

1666
00:35:12.330 --> 00:35:12.650
Hey man,

1667
00:35:12.770 --> 00:35:13.290
nice to meet you.

1668
00:35:14.190 --> 00:35:15.910
So can you please explain to me,

1669
00:35:15.990 --> 00:35:16.460
um,

1670
00:35:16.550 --> 00:35:17.950
how the man who was shot at is

1671
00:35:17.950 --> 00:35:20.070
responsible for normalizing political violence in America?

1672
00:35:20.150 --> 00:35:20.310
I mean,

1673
00:35:20.390 --> 00:35:20.430
I,

1674
00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:21.990
I feel like we've discussed this at large

1675
00:35:21.990 --> 00:35:23.600
right now with everything that he said publicly,

1676
00:35:23.830 --> 00:35:24.390
everything he's posted,

1677
00:35:24.510 --> 00:35:25.710
but also just to be clear,

1678
00:35:25.790 --> 00:35:28.680
when Donald Trump was targeted in that assassination attempt,

1679
00:35:28.830 --> 00:35:29.430
I condemned it,

1680
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:30.550
and every single elected,

1681
00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:31.690
I'm not saying that,

1682
00:35:31.870 --> 00:35:31.950
yes,

1683
00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:34.630
but I'm not saying that you're responsible for the rise in political violence.

1684
00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:35.790
I'm not saying that you're responsible.

1685
00:35:35.830 --> 00:35:37.160
You're faulting

1686
00:35:37.310 --> 00:35:37.690
Trump

1687
00:35:38.230 --> 00:35:39.190
with the rise in political violence,

1688
00:35:39.590 --> 00:35:39.950
right?

1689
00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:40.110
Yeah,

1690
00:35:40.230 --> 00:35:40.380
OK,

1691
00:35:40.470 --> 00:35:41.070
so now you have.

1692
00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:42.940
To provide claims as to why he actually

1693
00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:44.470
is responsible because nobody's saying that you are,

1694
00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:44.700
right?

1695
00:35:44.710 --> 00:35:46.720
So I don't care whether or not you condemned it and I'm glad you did.

1696
00:35:47.190 --> 00:35:48.270
But nobody's trying to say,

1697
00:35:48.350 --> 00:35:48.470
oh,

1698
00:35:48.590 --> 00:35:50.510
Harry Sisson's the reason why Trump was shot.

1699
00:35:50.630 --> 00:35:50.710
Well,

1700
00:35:50.830 --> 00:35:50.990
OK,

1701
00:35:51.310 --> 00:35:53.910
and so I'll leave everything aside we've discussed already,

1702
00:35:53.950 --> 00:35:55.670
the pardoning of people who be police officers,

1703
00:35:55.750 --> 00:35:57.510
which is inherently normalizing it and being OK.

1704
00:35:57.630 --> 00:35:59.060
How many people were there on January 6th?

1705
00:35:59.350 --> 00:36:00.240
There were a couple 1000

1706
00:36:00.630 --> 00:36:01.390
only a couple 1000.

1707
00:36:01.550 --> 00:36:01.690
Yeah,

1708
00:36:01.870 --> 00:36:02.830
I think there was more than that.

1709
00:36:03.100 --> 00:36:05.160
How many people actually committed violence against officers?

1710
00:36:05.230 --> 00:36:06.040
I don't know the exact number.

1711
00:36:06.150 --> 00:36:06.230
Yeah,

1712
00:36:06.270 --> 00:36:08.030
it was not even close to a couple of 1000.

1713
00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:09.370
I'm not sure of the number,

1714
00:36:09.450 --> 00:36:09.850
but I watch.

1715
00:36:09.970 --> 00:36:10.960
So how do you know that it's not,

1716
00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:12.130
but it doesn't matter.

1717
00:36:12.210 --> 00:36:13.970
It doesn't matter even if one person I

1718
00:36:13.970 --> 00:36:16.110
know people personally who walked inside the Capitol,

1719
00:36:16.270 --> 00:36:16.410
um,

1720
00:36:16.450 --> 00:36:16.970
and they didn't

1721
00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:18.010
the company you're keeping.

1722
00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:19.850
Why are you hanging out with January 6th insurrectionists?

1723
00:36:19.870 --> 00:36:20.650
I don't hang out with them.

1724
00:36:20.690 --> 00:36:21.850
I just know people who are conservatives.

1725
00:36:21.930 --> 00:36:22.010
Well,

1726
00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:22.250
anyway,

1727
00:36:22.370 --> 00:36:24.210
even if it's one person and conservatives,

1728
00:36:24.390 --> 00:36:26.330
even if it's one person who's beating a police officer,

1729
00:36:26.490 --> 00:36:27.210
they shouldn't do that.

1730
00:36:27.330 --> 00:36:29.810
But on the topic of normalizing Trump ever say that that was OK,

1731
00:36:29.930 --> 00:36:31.080
he pardoned them.

1732
00:36:32.090 --> 00:36:32.530
So wait.

1733
00:36:33.940 --> 00:36:37.380
But he pardoned them because they had been in jail for several years without trial.

1734
00:36:37.460 --> 00:36:38.500
That's unconstitutional.

1735
00:36:38.620 --> 00:36:38.700
No,

1736
00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:39.700
that's not a lot of people.

1737
00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:40.380
That's not.

1738
00:36:40.580 --> 00:36:40.740
So wait,

1739
00:36:40.950 --> 00:36:40.960
wait,

1740
00:36:40.970 --> 00:36:40.980
wait,

1741
00:36:41.180 --> 00:36:41.430
hold on.

1742
00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:42.140
Trial doesn't exist.

1743
00:36:42.180 --> 00:36:43.700
A lot of those people had been convicted.

1744
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:44.470
They'd been convicted.

1745
00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:44.620
And,

1746
00:36:44.630 --> 00:36:45.450
and also,

1747
00:36:45.740 --> 00:36:48.070
why would he not wait for them to have their trials?

1748
00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:48.890
Because they were

1749
00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:50.620
being held in solitary confinement.

1750
00:36:50.660 --> 00:36:51.430
be police officers,

1751
00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:52.460
you should be held in prison.

1752
00:36:52.620 --> 00:36:52.660
No,

1753
00:36:52.740 --> 00:36:52.970
no,

1754
00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.140
because our Constitution says that you're guaranteed a right to a speedy trial,

1755
00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:56.470
right?

1756
00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:56.900
If you.

1757
00:36:57.260 --> 00:36:57.420
Yeah,

1758
00:36:57.620 --> 00:36:58.040
not if,

1759
00:36:58.250 --> 00:36:58.340
yeah,

1760
00:36:58.460 --> 00:37:01.100
who wasn't want a speedy trial if you're being held in solitary confinement,

1761
00:37:01.140 --> 00:37:01.390
if you,

1762
00:37:01.450 --> 00:37:03.980
you can invoke that right or you can pass up on it and so you think,

1763
00:37:04.140 --> 00:37:05.690
so you're making the claim that those people

1764
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:07.950
passed on the right to a speedy trial because the speedy

1765
00:37:07.950 --> 00:37:10.140
trial is a specific set of time under the Constitution.

1766
00:37:10.180 --> 00:37:11.020
I believe it's 60 days,

1767
00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:13.660
but if there's somebody that multiple years is obviously longer than 60,

1768
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.590
they can choose that.

1769
00:37:14.660 --> 00:37:16.410
So I think Trump pardoned those people because

1770
00:37:16.420 --> 00:37:17.980
they were already treated wrong and unfairly.

1771
00:37:18.050 --> 00:37:21.040
They were people that were convicted of crimes that not everybody's officers.

1772
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.380
They were people who were convicted of beating police

1773
00:37:23.380 --> 00:37:24.700
officers and they were pardoned by Donald Trump.

1774
00:37:24.740 --> 00:37:25.460
That's normalizing it.

1775
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:25.930
But to

1776
00:37:26.100 --> 00:37:26.260
again,

1777
00:37:26.350 --> 00:37:27.900
put aside what we've discussed so far,

1778
00:37:28.060 --> 00:37:29.760
you want to talk about normalizing political violence,

1779
00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:30.500
making it OK,

1780
00:37:30.620 --> 00:37:31.560
kind of laughing it off.

1781
00:37:31.700 --> 00:37:33.660
Let's talk about what Trump has said about Paul Pelosi.

1782
00:37:33.860 --> 00:37:35.940
After Paul Pelosi had his house invaded,

1783
00:37:36.020 --> 00:37:37.570
he was beat over the head with a hammer,

1784
00:37:37.700 --> 00:37:39.490
and the police thankfully caught the perpetrator.

1785
00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:41.100
Donald Trump made jokes about it after the fact.

1786
00:37:41.180 --> 00:37:42.180
Donald Trump Junior

1787
00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:43.780
posted a meme about it on Instagram.

1788
00:37:43.890 --> 00:37:43.900
No,

1789
00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:44.380
I'm not

1790
00:37:44.540 --> 00:37:44.620
saying

1791
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:45.140
Democrats.

1792
00:37:45.620 --> 00:37:48.070
Anything that's happened to Donald Trump or anybody like that saying what Trump

1793
00:37:48.180 --> 00:37:49.020
everything Trump says is OK,

1794
00:37:49.180 --> 00:37:49.820
but you're trying to,

1795
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.380
is that normalizing political you're trying to say that

1796
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:54.220
he is the reason why political violence is escalating.

1797
00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:54.580
I'm saying,

1798
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:56.740
I'm saying he's normalized it and he's escalated it.

1799
00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:56.980
But,

1800
00:37:57.100 --> 00:37:57.180
OK,

1801
00:37:57.300 --> 00:37:59.940
so you say that that is normalizing political violence for it.

1802
00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:00.810
Can you answer my question?

1803
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:02.840
Can't you say that that's normalizing political violence?

1804
00:38:02.980 --> 00:38:03.100
Yes,

1805
00:38:03.260 --> 00:38:04.310
but I also think he was joking.

1806
00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:04.430
OK,

1807
00:38:04.580 --> 00:38:05.370
so you agree with the claim.

1808
00:38:05.590 --> 00:38:05.700
No,

1809
00:38:05.780 --> 00:38:07.400
I don't agree with the claim because you're just,

1810
00:38:07.540 --> 00:38:09.380
you just agreed that it normalizes political violence.

1811
00:38:09.520 --> 00:38:09.740
OK,

1812
00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:11.060
because that doesn't mean that everything that

1813
00:38:11.060 --> 00:38:13.020
Trump does actually normalizes political violence.

1814
00:38:13.080 --> 00:38:14.380
I'm not saying everything that Trump has done,

1815
00:38:14.620 --> 00:38:15.540
but when you're pardoning people,

1816
00:38:15.590 --> 00:38:15.710
your

1817
00:38:15.980 --> 00:38:16.260
officers,

1818
00:38:16.340 --> 00:38:18.800
your claim is that he's responsible for the rise in political violence,

1819
00:38:18.860 --> 00:38:19.370
is it not?

1820
00:38:19.490 --> 00:38:21.540
My claim actually here is that Donald Trump has normalized it,

1821
00:38:21.620 --> 00:38:22.140
but I will also,

1822
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:22.300
yes,

1823
00:38:22.460 --> 00:38:23.420
say that he's the rise of,

1824
00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:24.100
so he's responsible.

1825
00:38:24.140 --> 00:38:24.220
OK,

1826
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:26.130
so then why wasn't Biden shot at?

1827
00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:27.960
Biden did have assassination attempts against him.

1828
00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:28.220
He did,

1829
00:38:28.370 --> 00:38:28.380
yeah,

1830
00:38:28.520 --> 00:38:29.260
somebody shot him in the ear.

1831
00:38:29.380 --> 00:38:29.460
No,

1832
00:38:29.570 --> 00:38:29.580
no,

1833
00:38:29.620 --> 00:38:30.290
he wasn't shot at,

1834
00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:33.380
but thank God that the FBI foiled it before somebody could do anything.

1835
00:38:34.020 --> 00:38:34.300
There was a,

1836
00:38:34.350 --> 00:38:34.580
it was,

1837
00:38:34.620 --> 00:38:37.940
I think it was a guy in it was either 2023 or 2024 that was arrested for it.

1838
00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:38.660
And it was just,

1839
00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:39.100
just so you know,

1840
00:38:39.700 --> 00:38:41.850
people get arrested all the time for stuff like that.

1841
00:38:42.340 --> 00:38:43.660
Tons of people make death threats against the president.

1842
00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:44.740
All of them are treated as serious,

1843
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:45.100
obviously,

1844
00:38:45.180 --> 00:38:45.300
right?

1845
00:38:45.620 --> 00:38:47.580
So only one time in your lifetime

1846
00:38:47.740 --> 00:38:49.790
somebody actually took a shot at a president

1847
00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:50.580
and it was Trump,

1848
00:38:50.740 --> 00:38:50.860
right?

1849
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:51.260
And that's,

1850
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:51.860
and that's bad,

1851
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:53.100
and no Democrat is normalized.

1852
00:38:53.180 --> 00:38:53.450
OK,

1853
00:38:53.700 --> 00:38:54.100
but can you,

1854
00:38:54.180 --> 00:38:54.300
OK,

1855
00:38:54.380 --> 00:38:56.150
so if your claim is that no Democrats.

1856
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:57.600
Who is normalized?

1857
00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:59.080
Who has normalized Donald Trump's assassination?

1858
00:38:59.160 --> 00:38:59.450
Media.

1859
00:38:59.720 --> 00:39:00.120
People said,

1860
00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:00.360
Wait,

1861
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.870
what media outlets were you on?

1862
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.490
Were you on social media at all during the time?

1863
00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:04.760
Yes,

1864
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:05.120
I was,

1865
00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:08.000
and I was getting death threats from people on your side after it when people,

1866
00:39:08.040 --> 00:39:09.720
I'm not here to defend your death threats.

1867
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:10.120
I'm not,

1868
00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:10.840
I'm not saying you are,

1869
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.920
but we're talking about a normalization of political violence

1870
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.400
that's coming from Donald Trump in one side.

1871
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.600
But then how you're saying that you're saying that you disagree.

1872
00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:18.840
So do you think that Democrats are normalizing political violence?

1873
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:19.450
I do think that.

1874
00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:20.360
How well,

1875
00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:21.210
2020,

1876
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:21.480
um,

1877
00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:21.840
Maxine,

1878
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:22.600
what about 2020,

1879
00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:23.240
2020,

1880
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.230
the riots that took place were 93% of them were peaceful,

1881
00:39:26.240 --> 00:39:26.800
and Joe Biden,

1882
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:27.280
the Democratic,

1883
00:39:27.520 --> 00:39:28.840
93% of them were peaceful,

1884
00:39:28.850 --> 00:39:29.440
and Joe Biden,

1885
00:39:29.450 --> 00:39:30.340
the Democratic nominee,

1886
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.240
and Kamala Harris,

1887
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.640
the vice presidential nominee at the time,

1888
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.360
all condemned violent protests.

1889
00:39:34.520 --> 00:39:34.720
OK,

1890
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:34.960
yeah.

1891
00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:35.720
And so what Trump,

1892
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.480
Trump condemns violent protests too on January 6th.

1893
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.620
What did Trump,

1894
00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:39.290
how is that condemning

1895
00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:41.350
Trump say to the protesters before they showed up?

1896
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:41.680
What did he say?

1897
00:39:41.720 --> 00:39:41.920
He said,

1898
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:43.800
you have to fight on when you see fraud like this,

1899
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.640
you go by a different set of rules tell them to protest.

1900
00:39:45.680 --> 00:39:46.050
What did he say?

1901
00:39:46.060 --> 00:39:46.240
He said,

1902
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.680
I want you to protest peacefully and patriotically in his speech.

1903
00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:51.360
That you should peacefully and and patriotically protest.

1904
00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:52.780
I said once in his speech.

1905
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.100
So peace and patriotic if Donald Trump is saying

1906
00:39:55.100 --> 00:39:57.940
10 inflammatory comments to 1 comment to be peaceful,

1907
00:39:58.060 --> 00:39:59.070
which do you think has more weight?

1908
00:39:59.180 --> 00:39:59.270
No,

1909
00:39:59.420 --> 00:40:01.040
because there's a reason you can protest.

1910
00:40:01.740 --> 00:40:03.610
You can't just say one comment in his speech.

1911
00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:05.780
It exonerates everything else that Donald Trump has done,

1912
00:40:05.980 --> 00:40:08.300
and he didn't call the fact he didn't call for any violence in that speech.

1913
00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:10.980
He didn't call for the fact he pardoned people who beat police officers.

1914
00:40:11.090 --> 00:40:12.300
There's still no justification for that.

1915
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.430
He didn't call for violence in his speech.

1916
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:13.540
Well,

1917
00:40:13.620 --> 00:40:16.540
he told people he knew that their people wanted to be violent on January 6th.

1918
00:40:16.730 --> 00:40:17.580
How did he know that the FBI.

1919
00:40:17.740 --> 00:40:18.160
Secret Service.

1920
00:40:18.200 --> 00:40:19.180
This was part of the January 6th.

1921
00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:19.210
OK.

1922
00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:21.630
So then why didn't Nancy Pelosi increase security?

1923
00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:22.800
Nancy Pelosi is not in charge of that.

1924
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.320
Donald Trump,

1925
00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:24.400
Donald Trump of the House.

1926
00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:24.560
No,

1927
00:40:24.640 --> 00:40:26.490
the Speaker of the House is responsible for security.

1928
00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:26.800
No,

1929
00:40:26.890 --> 00:40:29.690
the Board of Police on the Capitol are for board for Capitol Police,

1930
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.880
and you know who's in charge of the National Guard in DC?

1931
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:33.160
Donald Trump.

1932
00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:33.320
Yes,

1933
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:34.880
but he can't and Mark Milley,

1934
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.190
who was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time in the line of command,

1935
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.110
said he never received any request

1936
00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:42.920
for more National Guardsmen at the Capitol because despite after it started,

1937
00:40:43.160 --> 00:40:46.340
because that's Nancy Nancy Pelosi does not control the National Guard.

1938
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:46.960
No,

1939
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:47.120
no,

1940
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:47.760
she does that,

1941
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.960
it's her job to request National Guard and then Trump's job.

1942
00:40:50.040 --> 00:40:51.440
It is not her job to do that.

1943
00:40:51.600 --> 00:40:52.720
Donald Trump is the president.

1944
00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:55.080
He controls a lot of DC because it's not a state,

1945
00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:55.990
it's federal ground.

1946
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.560
He is the guy who can invoke the National Guard.

1947
00:40:58.680 --> 00:40:59.240
He didn't.

1948
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.900
People in Donald Trump's administration didn't.

1949
00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:01.350
So

1950
00:41:01.590 --> 00:41:02.680
because Nancy Pelosi is the one in charge of security.

1951
00:41:02.690 --> 00:41:02.710
Wait,

1952
00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:03.610
wait.

1953
00:41:03.640 --> 00:41:04.920
Why does Donald Trump have to be asked?

1954
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.440
Why doesn't he just take initiative and do it?

1955
00:41:06.550 --> 00:41:08.080
Because he's not the one in charge of security.

1956
00:41:08.240 --> 00:41:09.840
He's in charge of the National Guard.

1957
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:10.160
Yes,

1958
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:10.480
OK.

1959
00:41:10.600 --> 00:41:11.990
And he's in charge of the military,

1960
00:41:12.150 --> 00:41:13.910
but that doesn't mean that he should just send them wherever he wants.

1961
00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:14.350
I'm not,

1962
00:41:14.430 --> 00:41:14.510
wait,

1963
00:41:14.590 --> 00:41:14.950
I'm not.

1964
00:41:15.060 --> 00:41:15.310
Hold on.

1965
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:15.630
Time out.

1966
00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:17.150
The military and the National Guard are two different things.

1967
00:41:17.230 --> 00:41:18.580
I'm just saying he should send the military

1968
00:41:18.580 --> 00:41:19.670
because he's in charge of the National Guard.

1969
00:41:19.750 --> 00:41:19.830
Well,

1970
00:41:19.950 --> 00:41:21.070
do you think that Donald Trump should have

1971
00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:22.490
sent the National Guard there on January 6th?

1972
00:41:22.660 --> 00:41:23.030
Somebody gets,

1973
00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:24.070
if they get asked to do that,

1974
00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:24.370
yeah.

1975
00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:25.240
Why would he have to be asked?

1976
00:41:25.270 --> 00:41:25.790
He's president.

1977
00:41:25.830 --> 00:41:26.480
He controls it.

1978
00:41:26.600 --> 00:41:27.270
He's the decision maker,

1979
00:41:27.390 --> 00:41:28.390
not in charge of the security.

1980
00:41:28.510 --> 00:41:28.790
He is,

1981
00:41:28.870 --> 00:41:29.390
he is not in charge.

1982
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:30.790
I can't believe we're still going around in circles.

1983
00:41:30.870 --> 00:41:31.950
Donald Trump controls the National Guard.

1984
00:41:32.110 --> 00:41:32.830
We're gonna pause here.

1985
00:41:32.910 --> 00:41:34.200
We're out of time on this claim.

1986
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:36.020
Next time.

1987
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:38.120
Anyway,

1988
00:41:38.200 --> 00:41:38.600
thanks man.

1989
00:41:38.670 --> 00:41:39.270
Nice to meet you.

1990
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:41.120
My next surrounding claim is that Donald Trump and

1991
00:41:41.120 --> 00:41:44.150
his administration have made us sicker and less healthy.

1992
00:41:44.450 --> 00:41:46.040
If you would like to be the first debater,

1993
00:41:46.130 --> 00:41:49.280
please get to the chair in 321.

1994
00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:52.040
All right,

1995
00:41:52.130 --> 00:41:52.360
yes,

1996
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:53.210
dude.

1997
00:41:54.120 --> 00:41:54.640
All righty.

1998
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:55.930
Nice to meet you.

1999
00:41:58.830 --> 00:41:59.700
All righty.

2000
00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:00.550
Um,

2001
00:42:00.790 --> 00:42:03.540
so I'd first like to start with the fact that

2002
00:42:03.830 --> 00:42:07.070
I don't think that our government necessarily has that much to do with our health.

2003
00:42:07.110 --> 00:42:08.880
I think that's more of a culture thing.

2004
00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:10.870
I think that American culture as a whole,

2005
00:42:10.990 --> 00:42:11.590
we are,

2006
00:42:11.790 --> 00:42:13.730
we're really practicing fat acceptance.

2007
00:42:13.910 --> 00:42:15.970
We have a giant social media problem,

2008
00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:16.510
you know,

2009
00:42:16.750 --> 00:42:16.990
we're,

2010
00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:18.900
we're practicing body positivity,

2011
00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:21.910
and these are things that American culture needs to regulate.

2012
00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:24.450
If we look at other countries like East Asia where,

2013
00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:24.910
you know,

2014
00:42:25.110 --> 00:42:25.510
they,

2015
00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:26.290
they don't

2016
00:42:26.410 --> 00:42:27.560
Allow this stuff as much.

2017
00:42:27.570 --> 00:42:29.190
It's more of like a socially

2018
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.800
um prevented thing.

2019
00:42:31.120 --> 00:42:32.280
We don't have that here.

2020
00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:32.640
Um,

2021
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.510
and that's kind of fundamentally where all of this comes from.

2022
00:42:35.720 --> 00:42:36.710
I think that,

2023
00:42:36.930 --> 00:42:37.120
oh,

2024
00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:37.630
go ahead.

2025
00:42:37.640 --> 00:42:37.800
You,

2026
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:38.640
you had something to say.

2027
00:42:38.870 --> 00:42:39.150
I mean,

2028
00:42:39.160 --> 00:42:39.630
like,

2029
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.350
so the government is not there to like,

2030
00:42:42.660 --> 00:42:42.840
You know,

2031
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.690
lift your arm

2032
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.090
when you have a hamburger in one or a piece of broccoli in the other,

2033
00:42:46.270 --> 00:42:46.280
right?

2034
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:46.730
It's personal

2035
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:47.730
choice 100%.

2036
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.070
But they can also influence the health of the country and they certainly have.

2037
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:52.080
So for example,

2038
00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:55.110
hep B vaccination rates among kindergartners has gone down.

2039
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:55.620
Um,

2040
00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:59.010
measles vaccination rates among Americans have gone down as well.

2041
00:42:59.040 --> 00:42:59.160
Well,

2042
00:42:59.240 --> 00:42:59.590
I think,

2043
00:42:59.720 --> 00:42:59.920
you know,

2044
00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.240
vaccination is a different topic.

2045
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:01.680
I think that,

2046
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:01.960
you know,

2047
00:43:02.040 --> 00:43:02.380
people,

2048
00:43:02.600 --> 00:43:03.560
people's obesity is,

2049
00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:03.840
I think,

2050
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:04.590
a lot more.

2051
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:06.550
Problematic in terms of

2052
00:43:06.660 --> 00:43:07.500
how people are feeling.

2053
00:43:07.660 --> 00:43:07.740
Sure,

2054
00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:08.040
I think,

2055
00:43:08.100 --> 00:43:09.780
I think obesity is a major medical issue.

2056
00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:10.170
Yeah,

2057
00:43:10.180 --> 00:43:11.060
and I just to be clear,

2058
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:13.540
it's not sickness is not just about obesity.

2059
00:43:13.620 --> 00:43:15.580
Obesity can cause a lot of chronic issues,

2060
00:43:16.060 --> 00:43:16.380
but you know,

2061
00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:18.340
it's American culture that's causing this problem.

2062
00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:20.460
We're allowing it and we shouldn't be allowing this,

2063
00:43:20.580 --> 00:43:20.880
you know.

2064
00:43:20.890 --> 00:43:21.020
OK,

2065
00:43:21.310 --> 00:43:21.340
great,

2066
00:43:21.350 --> 00:43:22.420
we wonderful,

2067
00:43:22.430 --> 00:43:22.860
um,

2068
00:43:23.140 --> 00:43:24.340
what the issue is,

2069
00:43:24.410 --> 00:43:25.170
is that,

2070
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:25.930
you know,

2071
00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:26.850
um.

2072
00:43:27.790 --> 00:43:28.780
Vaccination is just,

2073
00:43:29.870 --> 00:43:30.110
I mean,

2074
00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:31.790
I'm not necessarily anti-vax,

2075
00:43:31.830 --> 00:43:32.660
but I think that

2076
00:43:33.600 --> 00:43:36.040
People's daily lives aren't going to be affected as

2077
00:43:36.040 --> 00:43:37.880
much as to whether they're vaccinated or not.

2078
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:38.080
Well,

2079
00:43:38.120 --> 00:43:38.570
I think

2080
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.000
we have a couple of children who have died

2081
00:43:40.060 --> 00:43:41.720
from measles I think that having chronic heart disease

2082
00:43:41.720 --> 00:43:45.000
is going to be a lot worse and it's a lot bigger problem in the United States.

2083
00:43:45.160 --> 00:43:45.300
I

2084
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.470
chronic heart disease is,

2085
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:47.170
is very bad,

2086
00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:48.360
and we should advocate against it.

2087
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:48.570
So,

2088
00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:49.280
but it's,

2089
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:49.790
I'm not,

2090
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:50.560
I'm not disagreeing with anything,

2091
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.000
but that's culture's problem,

2092
00:43:52.040 --> 00:43:55.200
and it's also culture choosing whether they want to get vaccinated or not.

2093
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:55.360
No,

2094
00:43:55.410 --> 00:43:55.680
it's not,

2095
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:56.120
it's not,

2096
00:43:56.240 --> 00:43:56.330
no,

2097
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.440
it's not just culture because you would recognize that government.

2098
00:43:58.570 --> 00:43:59.500
Policy has an effect.

2099
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.350
So Donald Trump has been anti-measles vaccine.

2100
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:02.880
RFK Jr.

2101
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.400
by way of,

2102
00:44:03.520 --> 00:44:04.320
by way of RFK Jr.

2103
00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:05.880
has been anti-measles vax,

2104
00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:07.320
has been anti-hep B,

2105
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:08.830
has been anti- a bunch of these vaccines,

2106
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.030
and said that they've caused autism or they're bad for your kids.

2107
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.400
That's bad for the United States.

2108
00:44:12.520 --> 00:44:13.600
Now in 3 quarters of states,

2109
00:44:13.670 --> 00:44:14.240
the problem is,

2110
00:44:14.310 --> 00:44:14.320
wait,

2111
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:14.580
hold on,

2112
00:44:14.590 --> 00:44:16.550
in 3 quarters social media 3/4 of states so much worse,

2113
00:44:16.600 --> 00:44:17.740
and this is also physical health.

2114
00:44:18.120 --> 00:44:19.210
Can I just finish the point really quickly?

2115
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.760
In 3/4 of states,

2116
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.560
the measles vaccination rate for herd immunity has now dropped.

2117
00:44:23.700 --> 00:44:24.680
Below where we want it to be.

2118
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.440
That's bad.

2119
00:44:25.640 --> 00:44:25.910
OK,

2120
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.400
that's bad,

2121
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.580
but want to know what else is bad?

2122
00:44:27.750 --> 00:44:28.360
Social media.

2123
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.600
OK,

2124
00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:29.400
so we're agreeing,

2125
00:44:29.560 --> 00:44:30.250
completely destroying.

2126
00:44:30.520 --> 00:44:30.640
OK,

2127
00:44:30.770 --> 00:44:30.880
yeah,

2128
00:44:30.950 --> 00:44:32.330
it's completely destroying Donald Trump,

2129
00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:34.640
and I don't think that whether someone's vaccinated or

2130
00:44:34.640 --> 00:44:36.640
not has much to do with someone's mental health,

2131
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:37.480
and that's so much.

2132
00:44:37.560 --> 00:44:38.790
I'm not claiming that Donald,

2133
00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:40.860
I'm not claiming that vaccination has a connection.

2134
00:44:41.080 --> 00:44:41.320
I know,

2135
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:41.880
but you're talking,

2136
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.920
your claim is that Donald Trump is making us sicker and less healthy,

2137
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:45.800
and I'm saying that there's,

2138
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.560
there's a giant problem of health and that.

2139
00:44:49.190 --> 00:44:49.770
This,

2140
00:44:49.950 --> 00:44:52.070
this is very small compared to the entire problem.

2141
00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:52.870
It's not very small.

2142
00:44:52.990 --> 00:44:53.630
Obesity.

2143
00:44:53.750 --> 00:44:56.920
We eradicated measles in 2000 and now in 2025

2144
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:58.440
we've had the most measles cases in decades.

2145
00:44:58.590 --> 00:45:01.190
How many people are dying due to measles versus chronic heart disease?

2146
00:45:01.220 --> 00:45:01.500
One

2147
00:45:01.750 --> 00:45:03.590
person dying from measles is too much,

2148
00:45:03.790 --> 00:45:05.860
especially because it was eradicated.

2149
00:45:05.890 --> 00:45:06.870
It doesn't have to be this way.

2150
00:45:06.950 --> 00:45:07.440
We've had two

2151
00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:07.740
kids,

2152
00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:09.070
but we're talking about the entire.

2153
00:45:09.660 --> 00:45:11.210
We're talking about the entire health of the

2154
00:45:11.210 --> 00:45:13.250
United States have died because of measles.

2155
00:45:13.330 --> 00:45:14.210
That should be terrible.

2156
00:45:14.330 --> 00:45:15.920
How many people have died because

2157
00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:16.720
their heart failed?

2158
00:45:16.730 --> 00:45:18.210
I'm not disagreeing with you.

2159
00:45:18.530 --> 00:45:19.050
That's bad.

2160
00:45:19.130 --> 00:45:20.120
How many people are

2161
00:45:20.550 --> 00:45:20.890
killing

2162
00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:21.480
themselves

2163
00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:23.010
because of social media?

2164
00:45:23.090 --> 00:45:24.210
That's that we're aligned.

2165
00:45:24.220 --> 00:45:26.530
You don't have to preach to me about heart health and suicide.

2166
00:45:26.610 --> 00:45:28.730
I think it's been voted out by the majority.

2167
00:45:28.890 --> 00:45:29.170
All right,

2168
00:45:29.270 --> 00:45:29.460
all right,

2169
00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:29.750
thank you.

2170
00:45:29.810 --> 00:45:29.950
Thanks,

2171
00:45:29.970 --> 00:45:30.210
man.

2172
00:45:30.490 --> 00:45:31.160
I appreciate it.

2173
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.800
If you would like to be the next debater,

2174
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.350
please get to the chair in 321.

2175
00:45:41.850 --> 00:45:42.500
Nice to meet you again.

2176
00:45:43.850 --> 00:45:46.330
So your claim is that Donald Trump is making

2177
00:45:46.610 --> 00:45:46.860
tiring,

2178
00:45:47.010 --> 00:45:47.600
isn't it?

2179
00:45:47.770 --> 00:45:48.010
Yeah,

2180
00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:48.560
yeah,

2181
00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:51.080
your claim is that Donald Trump is making

2182
00:45:51.370 --> 00:45:51.850
America

2183
00:45:52.560 --> 00:45:52.980
sicker,

2184
00:45:53.450 --> 00:45:54.210
less healthy.

2185
00:45:55.130 --> 00:45:57.250
Donald Trump has done numerous of things.

2186
00:45:57.330 --> 00:46:00.970
He's cut the vaccine mandates from 77 vaccines down to

2187
00:46:01.130 --> 00:46:01.690
11.

2188
00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:03.750
There is no reason that a child,

2189
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:04.510
it's not,

2190
00:46:04.680 --> 00:46:04.960
uh,

2191
00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:05.360
who,

2192
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:06.320
when does,

2193
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:07.440
when does that 70,

2194
00:46:07.560 --> 00:46:07.990
it's by the way,

2195
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:08.740
it's not 77,

2196
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.190
but when does that I can't remember.

2197
00:46:10.200 --> 00:46:10.530
I apologize,

2198
00:46:10.640 --> 00:46:11.360
I can't remember what it is.

2199
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:12.120
What's the time frame?

2200
00:46:12.130 --> 00:46:12.280
It's,

2201
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.080
it's spread out during a period of time.

2202
00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:14.880
Do you have kids?

2203
00:46:15.260 --> 00:46:15.400
No,

2204
00:46:15.560 --> 00:46:16.050
thank God.

2205
00:46:16.200 --> 00:46:16.550
Yeah,

2206
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:17.200
I do.

2207
00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:18.110
Um,

2208
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.650
when I witnessed my son going through

2209
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.560
having to get 5 or 6 shots at one time at 3 days old,

2210
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.960
do you think those shots should be able to give to a child at 2 days old?

2211
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:29.680
I'm a,

2212
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:30.950
I was a stepfather

2213
00:46:31.080 --> 00:46:32.400
to an autistic child

2214
00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:34.030
when I was dating his mother.

2215
00:46:34.160 --> 00:46:35.240
The mother said that his,

2216
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:35.920
her son,

2217
00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:37.500
my stepson at the time,

2218
00:46:37.640 --> 00:46:38.610
was perfectly normal,

2219
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:40.320
doing normal little boy things.

2220
00:46:40.810 --> 00:46:44.130
As soon as he got the 2nd to 3rd dose of shots,

2221
00:46:44.330 --> 00:46:45.460
his mind changed,

2222
00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:45.970
changed,

2223
00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:48.320
and he went into complete autistic.

2224
00:46:50.380 --> 00:46:51.190
And there's all complete.

2225
00:46:51.450 --> 00:46:51.720
OK,

2226
00:46:52.130 --> 00:46:54.460
it's just an interesting went went from nonverbal,

2227
00:46:54.970 --> 00:46:56.120
non-communicative,

2228
00:46:56.490 --> 00:46:57.440
didn't look at you.

2229
00:46:57.610 --> 00:46:59.020
So how do you know it was because of a vaccine?

2230
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.510
Because there's no reason that you should be a

2231
00:47:02.510 --> 00:47:04.850
child should go from being a normal little child

2232
00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:06.610
to getting the 3rd dose,

2233
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:08.020
and all of a sudden

2234
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:10.090
there's plenty of claims out there.

2235
00:47:10.220 --> 00:47:10.520
There's,

2236
00:47:10.620 --> 00:47:11.060
there's,

2237
00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:12.570
there have been study after study,

2238
00:47:12.740 --> 00:47:12.980
um,

2239
00:47:13.220 --> 00:47:15.620
huge studies on whether vaccines cause autism,

2240
00:47:15.660 --> 00:47:17.970
and every single time it's produced the same result that they don't.

2241
00:47:18.870 --> 00:47:19.010
Well,

2242
00:47:19.090 --> 00:47:20.960
it's starting to get to the point that it's not,

2243
00:47:20.970 --> 00:47:21.050
it is,

2244
00:47:21.150 --> 00:47:21.820
it is not,

2245
00:47:21.850 --> 00:47:22.210
it is.

2246
00:47:22.370 --> 00:47:25.730
So you're OK with a child getting that many vaccines at such a young age.

2247
00:47:25.850 --> 00:47:25.970
Well,

2248
00:47:26.410 --> 00:47:27.690
whatever you describe getting like 6,

2249
00:47:27.770 --> 00:47:28.850
what were the vaccines that he got?

2250
00:47:28.930 --> 00:47:29.820
I can't remember what he got.

2251
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:30.860
It was so long ago

2252
00:47:30.970 --> 00:47:33.370
for me if doctors are advising that that is what they should.

2253
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.000
I think that's perfectly fine.

2254
00:47:35.120 --> 00:47:36.140
They were gonna call

2255
00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:40.150
child protective surgeons on me and my my son's mother because who's

2256
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.120
the doctors,

2257
00:47:41.670 --> 00:47:44.050
because we didn't want to get the full diagnosis.

2258
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.750
All the shots done to him at that one time.

2259
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:48.510
We wanted to split it up with him,

2260
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:49.560
and they called.

2261
00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:50.630
They were gonna call

2262
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.040
HHS on us.

2263
00:47:52.160 --> 00:47:53.320
I feel like there might be more to that

2264
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.070
story than like doctors just like looking at your child

2265
00:47:56.200 --> 00:47:56.680
and seeing like,

2266
00:47:56.720 --> 00:47:56.880
oh,

2267
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:57.960
you don't want to get him vaccinated.

2268
00:47:58.060 --> 00:48:00.280
My next claim is that Donald Trump has made this.

2269
00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:03.120
He has stopped the gender mutilation of children.

2270
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.370
At 12 years old there was never any

2271
00:48:05.510 --> 00:48:06.800
any gender mutilation of children.

2272
00:48:07.190 --> 00:48:07.200
No,

2273
00:48:07.560 --> 00:48:08.520
that's never been a policy.

2274
00:48:08.600 --> 00:48:10.310
Can you point to a state where that was the policy?

2275
00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:12.530
It's a policy here in the state of California.

2276
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:13.140
You cannot,

2277
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:13.960
you cannot hold on.

2278
00:48:14.060 --> 00:48:15.090
Scott Wiener passed,

2279
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.830
passed SB 107 that made California transgender sanctuary state,

2280
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:19.320
right?

2281
00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:21.460
He passed AB 665

2282
00:48:21.600 --> 00:48:22.040
that would,

2283
00:48:22.120 --> 00:48:25.960
would criminalize parents if they were not gender affirming in this state.

2284
00:48:26.120 --> 00:48:26.200
I,

2285
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:26.530
I don't,

2286
00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:26.680
I,

2287
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:27.640
I can't speak to these laws,

2288
00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:29.360
so I don't know because it's happening to me,

2289
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:29.760
brother.

2290
00:48:30.200 --> 00:48:31.460
My son's 8 years old.

2291
00:48:31.790 --> 00:48:32.540
And I'm,

2292
00:48:32.620 --> 00:48:32.980
I'm,

2293
00:48:33.100 --> 00:48:33.510
yes,

2294
00:48:33.980 --> 00:48:34.690
his mother started.

2295
00:48:35.980 --> 00:48:37.740
You can't love and support a,

2296
00:48:37.820 --> 00:48:38.330
a,

2297
00:48:38.500 --> 00:48:38.770
a,

2298
00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:39.500
a lie.

2299
00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:40.750
Oh

2300
00:48:41.130 --> 00:48:41.210
yeah,

2301
00:48:41.250 --> 00:48:42.560
I feel like that's pretty up for your kid.

2302
00:48:42.610 --> 00:48:42.740
I mean,

2303
00:48:42.770 --> 00:48:43.570
if your kid is it

2304
00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:44.390
up for my kid,

2305
00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:44.770
your kid is,

2306
00:48:44.930 --> 00:48:46.500
so you're OK with a child getting,

2307
00:48:46.650 --> 00:48:47.410
getting mutilated.

2308
00:48:47.650 --> 00:48:49.840
You're OK with a child at 12 years old

2309
00:48:49.970 --> 00:48:51.210
getting puberty blockers.

2310
00:48:51.290 --> 00:48:53.130
You're OK with cross-sex hormones.

2311
00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:54.280
You're OK with a child,

2312
00:48:54.370 --> 00:48:54.790
a girl.

2313
00:48:54.930 --> 00:48:55.150
I can,

2314
00:48:55.250 --> 00:48:56.050
I can answer your question,

2315
00:48:56.130 --> 00:48:56.490
but I know,

2316
00:48:56.650 --> 00:48:56.830
I know,

2317
00:48:56.850 --> 00:48:59.560
but puberty blockers have been in use for children for a long time.

2318
00:48:59.690 --> 00:48:59.730
Like,

2319
00:48:59.810 --> 00:49:00.740
you know what the original

2320
00:49:00.890 --> 00:49:02.640
if puberty blockers were used for,

2321
00:49:02.650 --> 00:49:03.790
for early onset puberty.

2322
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:04.190
No,

2323
00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:04.810
yeah,

2324
00:49:05.120 --> 00:49:05.130
no,

2325
00:49:05.140 --> 00:49:05.420
that's what,

2326
00:49:05.450 --> 00:49:05.770
that's what.

2327
00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:07.460
They were given to pedophiles in

2328
00:49:07.460 --> 00:49:09.860
the state penitentiary to chemically castrate them

2329
00:49:10.940 --> 00:49:12.710
in terms of what they've been used for recently.

2330
00:49:12.980 --> 00:49:14.710
I don't know what you're referencing with pedophiles using

2331
00:49:14.930 --> 00:49:15.730
puberty blockers,

2332
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:16.970
but for,

2333
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:17.500
for at least in,

2334
00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:17.820
you know,

2335
00:49:17.900 --> 00:49:18.540
normal society,

2336
00:49:18.620 --> 00:49:21.500
puberty blockers have been used for kids for kids for a very long time,

2337
00:49:21.540 --> 00:49:22.620
irreversible damage.

2338
00:49:22.750 --> 00:49:22.780
No,

2339
00:49:22.820 --> 00:49:24.380
it's not irreversible seizures.

2340
00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:25.440
It's not irreversible.

2341
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:25.740
But anyway,

2342
00:49:25.820 --> 00:49:26.140
I don't want to,

2343
00:49:26.180 --> 00:49:27.700
I don't want to get into a conversation about trans.

2344
00:49:27.740 --> 00:49:28.300
But first of all,

2345
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:28.460
no,

2346
00:49:28.580 --> 00:49:29.060
but this should,

2347
00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:30.370
this is you talking about

2348
00:49:30.560 --> 00:49:31.870
how Trump has made.

2349
00:49:32.150 --> 00:49:32.380
Yeah,

2350
00:49:32.590 --> 00:49:32.870
but I,

2351
00:49:32.950 --> 00:49:33.190
this is,

2352
00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:34.510
this is our system sicker.

2353
00:49:34.590 --> 00:49:35.150
So Donald Trump,

2354
00:49:35.310 --> 00:49:37.180
Donald Trump has not passed any policy that's like,

2355
00:49:37.240 --> 00:49:37.350
yeah,

2356
00:49:37.390 --> 00:49:39.350
you can't do this to kids because it was already illegal.

2357
00:49:39.430 --> 00:49:40.430
Like there's just that you can't do that.

2358
00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:42.030
Yes it is here in California.

2359
00:49:42.070 --> 00:49:42.550
You can do it.

2360
00:49:42.630 --> 00:49:43.750
Let me just circle real quick.

2361
00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:44.540
AB

2362
00:49:44.710 --> 00:49:46.110
AB 1876.

2363
00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.070
They are now forcing health insurance companies.

2364
00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:48.180
Wait,

2365
00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:49.360
you said Donald Trump stopped it,

2366
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:49.540
huh?

2367
00:49:49.710 --> 00:49:50.550
You said Donald Trump stopped it.

2368
00:49:50.710 --> 00:49:51.040
So no,

2369
00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:52.830
I never said Donald Trump stopped it you did.

2370
00:49:52.990 --> 00:49:53.070
No,

2371
00:49:53.110 --> 00:49:53.600
I never did.

2372
00:49:53.670 --> 00:49:53.870
All right,

2373
00:49:53.910 --> 00:49:54.050
well,

2374
00:49:54.070 --> 00:49:54.150
look,

2375
00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:55.790
can we wrote an executive order,

2376
00:49:56.030 --> 00:49:57.500
so Donald Trump is making.

2377
00:49:58.350 --> 00:49:58.430
Yeah,

2378
00:49:59.110 --> 00:49:59.230
yeah,

2379
00:49:59.350 --> 00:49:59.720
I think,

2380
00:49:59.750 --> 00:50:00.850
can we get back to the main point?

2381
00:50:01.190 --> 00:50:01.350
We can,

2382
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:01.550
we,

2383
00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:02.510
we can have a trans debate,

2384
00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:03.750
but this is kind of outside the realm of,

2385
00:50:03.990 --> 00:50:06.700
but this is making children healthier by cutting them off

2386
00:50:06.830 --> 00:50:09.790
from being really so irreversible kids not having the hep B vaccine,

2387
00:50:09.910 --> 00:50:11.740
kids not having the measles vaccine is making them healthier.

2388
00:50:12.470 --> 00:50:12.550
No,

2389
00:50:12.630 --> 00:50:12.760
that,

2390
00:50:12.850 --> 00:50:13.030
that,

2391
00:50:13.150 --> 00:50:14.330
that was those weren't in the,

2392
00:50:14.430 --> 00:50:14.590
in,

2393
00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:14.990
in the,

2394
00:50:15.040 --> 00:50:16.270
I'm not saying that's in the executive order,

2395
00:50:16.310 --> 00:50:17.710
but that's what this administration has done.

2396
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:17.950
No,

2397
00:50:18.070 --> 00:50:18.810
he's cut out.

2398
00:50:18.910 --> 00:50:19.030
All right,

2399
00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:19.950
we're gonna pause here.

2400
00:50:20.030 --> 00:50:21.440
You've been voted out by the majority.

2401
00:50:22.390 --> 00:50:23.340
You need to research yourself.

2402
00:50:23.830 --> 00:50:25.110
I don't know what you're talking about in California.

2403
00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:25.900
I don't live in California.

2404
00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:26.110
Well,

2405
00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:26.990
we can talk about that later.

2406
00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:27.230
All right,

2407
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.030
we'll talk about it after.

2408
00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:29.880
If you'd like to be the next debater,

2409
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.380
please get to the chair in 321.

2410
00:50:34.730 --> 00:50:34.910
Hm

2411
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:35.950
Hey,

2412
00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:36.870
that was tough.

2413
00:50:37.510 --> 00:50:37.910
How's it going,

2414
00:50:37.990 --> 00:50:38.220
man?

2415
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:38.880
Good to see you again.

2416
00:50:38.950 --> 00:50:39.620
Good to see you.

2417
00:50:39.710 --> 00:50:40.060
Oh.

2418
00:50:41.270 --> 00:50:41.630
So yeah,

2419
00:50:41.710 --> 00:50:44.310
you said uh Trump is making people sicker.

2420
00:50:44.350 --> 00:50:46.230
I would totally agree with your prompt actually,

2421
00:50:46.350 --> 00:50:46.590
Harry.

2422
00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:48.310
I believe he's made you a lot sicker.

2423
00:50:48.350 --> 00:50:48.670
In fact,

2424
00:50:48.790 --> 00:50:51.750
when you go on social media and constantly talk about a man,

2425
00:50:52.110 --> 00:50:52.630
even though I,

2426
00:50:52.710 --> 00:50:53.710
I think you're straight,

2427
00:50:53.950 --> 00:50:55.670
for hours and hours out of the day,

2428
00:50:55.790 --> 00:50:58.480
a lot of therapists would actually diagnose you with something.

2429
00:50:58.550 --> 00:50:59.140
And so,

2430
00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:00.790
what I would have to say to that is,

2431
00:51:00.870 --> 00:51:01.970
could you just address the claim?

2432
00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:04.550
Do you think Donald Trump has made you sicker as a person?

2433
00:51:04.750 --> 00:51:05.790
If he wasn't in your life,

2434
00:51:05.910 --> 00:51:07.320
would you be a better person now?

2435
00:51:07.870 --> 00:51:09.550
I feel like if you're gonna make it like come

2436
00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:11.430
up here and start with like an attempt at comedy,

2437
00:51:11.470 --> 00:51:12.790
you have to get at least one laugh.

2438
00:51:12.890 --> 00:51:15.230
There's not a single person in this circle that's not a joke,

2439
00:51:15.470 --> 00:51:16.390
but I think genuinely asking,

2440
00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:17.160
I'm sure you are.

2441
00:51:17.180 --> 00:51:18.660
I'm sure you're genuinely asking,

2442
00:51:18.970 --> 00:51:19.990
but I think the broader claim,

2443
00:51:20.030 --> 00:51:21.670
the more important claim here is not

2444
00:51:21.950 --> 00:51:22.670
about me.

2445
00:51:22.830 --> 00:51:25.020
It's about what Donald Trump has done to our health systems.

2446
00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:26.180
So for example,

2447
00:51:26.350 --> 00:51:28.820
there are probably people in this room right now who have had

2448
00:51:29.150 --> 00:51:30.870
been impacted by cancer in some way,

2449
00:51:31.030 --> 00:51:32.220
whether it be maybe themselves,

2450
00:51:32.430 --> 00:51:33.110
maybe a loved one,

2451
00:51:33.270 --> 00:51:33.430
friend,

2452
00:51:33.550 --> 00:51:33.750
family,

2453
00:51:33.870 --> 00:51:34.190
whatever.

2454
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:35.870
Why has Donald Trump cut

2455
00:51:36.040 --> 00:51:37.510
cancer funding by billions of dollars?

2456
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:39.280
That's a loaded question,

2457
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:39.710
Harry.

2458
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:41.160
You didn't answer mine at first,

2459
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.870
so let's start back there so you can't answer it,

2460
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:44.120
because,

2461
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:44.360
well,

2462
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.450
if it doesn't apply for you,

2463
00:51:45.560 --> 00:51:46.640
does it apply for everybody?

2464
00:51:46.710 --> 00:51:49.010
Let's engage in good faith here and let's have an actual actual conversation,

2465
00:51:49.050 --> 00:51:50.340
because if you're not gonna engage with what I'm saying,

2466
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:51.520
just get out of the circle and let somebody

2467
00:51:51.520 --> 00:51:53.030
else who would have a good faith conversation.

2468
00:51:53.120 --> 00:51:54.480
Could you react the question?

2469
00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:55.250
Why it's not loaded?

2470
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:55.600
Great.

2471
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:56.320
Why has Donald?

2472
00:51:56.430 --> 00:51:57.950
Trump cut cancer funding by billions of dollars.

2473
00:51:58.030 --> 00:51:59.840
So why do you believe Joe Biden

2474
00:51:59.990 --> 00:52:02.950
slighted all of the diabetes people under Trump?

2475
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.190
So you're not gonna answer the question?

2476
00:52:04.230 --> 00:52:04.270
No,

2477
00:52:04.430 --> 00:52:05.510
because it's a loaded questionnaire.

2478
00:52:05.630 --> 00:52:06.190
How is it loaded?

2479
00:52:06.350 --> 00:52:07.190
Just what?

2480
00:52:07.310 --> 00:52:08.790
Why is Donald Trump cutting cancer funding?

2481
00:52:08.870 --> 00:52:09.320
Why is he doing it?

2482
00:52:09.350 --> 00:52:11.830
Is it Donald Trump by himself or is it his administration?

2483
00:52:11.950 --> 00:52:13.000
He's in an executive order.

2484
00:52:13.060 --> 00:52:13.840
The buck stops with him.

2485
00:52:13.910 --> 00:52:14.390
It's budget.

2486
00:52:14.790 --> 00:52:15.580
The budget they passed.

2487
00:52:15.660 --> 00:52:15.830
OK,

2488
00:52:15.940 --> 00:52:19.260
so what is budget determined by the Congress and the legislative branch,

2489
00:52:19.340 --> 00:52:20.180
and he signed it into law.

2490
00:52:20.250 --> 00:52:20.900
Buck stops with him.

2491
00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:21.270
No.

2492
00:52:21.660 --> 00:52:22.570
So why has Donald Trump?

2493
00:52:22.580 --> 00:52:25.100
Why don't you ask the rest of Congress that supported that by the way,

2494
00:52:25.340 --> 00:52:25.580
by the way,

2495
00:52:25.740 --> 00:52:27.700
and it went through committee and it's not just rehearsed.

2496
00:52:27.740 --> 00:52:28.580
It's not just rehearsed.

2497
00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:29.220
It's not just Congress.

2498
00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:30.570
The executive can cancel contracts,

2499
00:52:30.580 --> 00:52:31.460
and Donald Trump has done that.

2500
00:52:31.540 --> 00:52:33.500
So why have they cut cancer funding by billions of dollars?

2501
00:52:33.540 --> 00:52:34.780
So why haven't the courts challenged it?

2502
00:52:34.790 --> 00:52:35.520
you answer the question?

2503
00:52:35.540 --> 00:52:37.620
If it's so illegal and so corrupt in your eyes,

2504
00:52:37.700 --> 00:52:38.890
why isn't the court challenged it?

2505
00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:39.180
The court,

2506
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:40.900
they've challenged everything that Trump has done.

2507
00:52:41.020 --> 00:52:41.740
There have been some cases.

2508
00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:44.180
So explain why our system isn't working the way that you.

2509
00:52:44.330 --> 00:52:46.400
You won't answer the question because you know it's bad.

2510
00:52:46.520 --> 00:52:46.570
Oh,

2511
00:52:46.640 --> 00:52:47.560
what you should just admit,

2512
00:52:47.570 --> 00:52:48.760
I said it was a bad question.

2513
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.280
What you should just admit here is that

2514
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.720
Donald Trump should not be cutting cancer funding.

2515
00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:53.250
You know what else Donald Trump has done with cancer?

2516
00:52:53.560 --> 00:52:55.610
There's a pediatric brain tumor consortium.

2517
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:57.240
It's been funded by Democrats,

2518
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:58.960
Republicans for the past 26 years.

2519
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:00.800
It focuses on pediatric brain cancer,

2520
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.450
the number one killer of kids with cancer in the United States of America.

2521
00:53:03.600 --> 00:53:04.950
There were active studies

2522
00:53:05.120 --> 00:53:06.460
as a result of this consortium.

2523
00:53:06.560 --> 00:53:07.470
You know what happened to it?

2524
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:08.800
All funding gone.

2525
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:09.550
Why?

2526
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.400
So why did you tell that father that was here before,

2527
00:53:12.600 --> 00:53:13.720
Thank God I don't have kids.

2528
00:53:13.870 --> 00:53:15.260
You can't answer the question

2529
00:53:15.380 --> 00:53:17.180
because you can't just ask me loaded questions,

2530
00:53:17.300 --> 00:53:17.580
Harry.

2531
00:53:17.620 --> 00:53:19.060
The only loaded question justify

2532
00:53:19.180 --> 00:53:20.060
Donald Trump's actions.

2533
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:20.420
You see,

2534
00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:22.100
you've come up here this entire time we've engaged.

2535
00:53:22.140 --> 00:53:22.780
There are people waiting,

2536
00:53:22.790 --> 00:53:23.900
and I think people should be putting,

2537
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:24.260
that's right,

2538
00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:26.370
you should be putting up your red flags because there are people waiting.

2539
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:27.670
Y'all are gonna listen to Harry,

2540
00:53:27.740 --> 00:53:28.260
by the way.

2541
00:53:28.450 --> 00:53:28.460
No,

2542
00:53:28.580 --> 00:53:28.660
no,

2543
00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:29.620
they're doing it because you,

2544
00:53:29.740 --> 00:53:30.140
because you're not,

2545
00:53:30.180 --> 00:53:31.110
you're not good at debating.

2546
00:53:31.120 --> 00:53:31.860
You kind of suck at this,

2547
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:32.390
and you haven't answered,

2548
00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:33.210
you haven't answered my question.

2549
00:53:33.330 --> 00:53:33.900
You've danced around.

2550
00:53:33.940 --> 00:53:34.700
You've tried to make jokes.

2551
00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:35.260
Nobody laughed.

2552
00:53:35.270 --> 00:53:36.320
It's a little bit embarrassing.

2553
00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:38.820
You haven't made a single point on what I've said about cancer cuts.

2554
00:53:38.900 --> 00:53:39.020
All right,

2555
00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:40.150
we're gonna pause here.

2556
00:53:40.180 --> 00:53:41.500
You have been voted out by the majority.

2557
00:53:41.580 --> 00:53:41.820
Good choice,

2558
00:53:41.860 --> 00:53:42.340
gentlemen.

2559
00:53:42.650 --> 00:53:43.180
Good choice.

2560
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:44.940
Thank you.

2561
00:53:46.190 --> 00:53:47.510
If you would like to be the next debater,

2562
00:53:47.630 --> 00:53:51.050
please get to the chair in 321.

2563
00:53:55.490 --> 00:53:56.180
Nice to see you again.

2564
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.750
So I don't want to assume that I know what you mean

2565
00:54:01.120 --> 00:54:04.240
when you say that Donald Trump and his administration has made America sicker.

2566
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:05.280
So for clarification,

2567
00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:08.480
if you can give me a little bit or expound on what you mean by that.

2568
00:54:09.340 --> 00:54:09.420
Well,

2569
00:54:09.500 --> 00:54:10.740
I think if you're looking at,

2570
00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:12.380
as I mentioned in previous conversations,

2571
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:13.420
like the vaccination rates,

2572
00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:14.860
the fact that measles has gone up,

2573
00:54:14.900 --> 00:54:17.140
I think that by cutting cancer research funding,

2574
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:19.500
you are actively hurting people who have cancer or

2575
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:21.260
will get diagnosed with cancer in the future,

2576
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:24.180
where we could have discovered some kind of cure or

2577
00:54:24.180 --> 00:54:26.500
at least preventative for some different types of cancers.

2578
00:54:26.660 --> 00:54:26.780
Um,

2579
00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:29.100
I think that by canceling $500 million worth of

2580
00:54:29.100 --> 00:54:31.630
mRNA vaccine trials and contracts for different companies,

2581
00:54:31.830 --> 00:54:32.740
that's making us sicker.

2582
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:34.410
So maybe that answers your question.

2583
00:54:34.650 --> 00:54:35.020
A little bit,

2584
00:54:35.060 --> 00:54:35.650
a little bit.

2585
00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:35.900
But I,

2586
00:54:35.980 --> 00:54:36.150
but I,

2587
00:54:36.260 --> 00:54:36.740
but I like to,

2588
00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:37.690
I like to come up with this.

2589
00:54:38.430 --> 00:54:40.590
For the amount of research that the United States has spent

2590
00:54:40.750 --> 00:54:42.790
in the last 20 years over cancer research,

2591
00:54:42.870 --> 00:54:43.380
over

2592
00:54:43.750 --> 00:54:44.830
different vaccinations,

2593
00:54:44.980 --> 00:54:46.080
how many cures

2594
00:54:46.470 --> 00:54:48.150
have that money funded?

2595
00:54:48.380 --> 00:54:49.030
For cancer?

2596
00:54:49.350 --> 00:54:50.150
For anything?

2597
00:54:50.790 --> 00:54:51.480
I'm sure a lot.

2598
00:54:51.550 --> 00:54:51.710
I mean,

2599
00:54:51.750 --> 00:54:53.070
you'd have to give me a specific disease,

2600
00:54:53.150 --> 00:54:56.110
but cancer is not something that we consider curable at this moment in time.

2601
00:54:56.270 --> 00:54:56.380
I,

2602
00:54:56.430 --> 00:54:56.720
I believe,

2603
00:54:56.790 --> 00:54:57.830
I believe that

2604
00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:01.360
there are some instances where people have created something that has cured,

2605
00:55:01.470 --> 00:55:02.510
that could cure cancer.

2606
00:55:02.750 --> 00:55:03.140
But my,

2607
00:55:03.150 --> 00:55:03.480
my,

2608
00:55:03.490 --> 00:55:03.540
my,

2609
00:55:03.550 --> 00:55:03.990
my overall,

2610
00:55:04.080 --> 00:55:05.340
my overall point is this.

2611
00:55:06.120 --> 00:55:10.100
A lot of people get upset about cuts to to to certain programs,

2612
00:55:10.350 --> 00:55:10.500
uh,

2613
00:55:10.580 --> 00:55:13.470
for the NIH and other and other medical facilities when

2614
00:55:13.900 --> 00:55:17.930
it has been proven that the amount of money that we've spent on these programs

2615
00:55:18.220 --> 00:55:20.060
has not covered the amount of,

2616
00:55:20.270 --> 00:55:20.500
uh,

2617
00:55:20.620 --> 00:55:22.410
cures that should have been made

2618
00:55:22.610 --> 00:55:23.780
by the amount of money that we spent.

2619
00:55:23.830 --> 00:55:24.780
In my opinion,

2620
00:55:25.100 --> 00:55:25.780
it's like boxing.

2621
00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:26.920
How many times are you gonna fight

2622
00:55:27.250 --> 00:55:28.360
before you not win a match?

2623
00:55:28.420 --> 00:55:28.890
And

2624
00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:31.730
with the amount of money that we've spent on,

2625
00:55:31.780 --> 00:55:32.700
on research,

2626
00:55:33.230 --> 00:55:35.180
We haven't developed anything that was

2627
00:55:35.470 --> 00:55:35.920
actually,

2628
00:55:36.030 --> 00:55:36.180
I,

2629
00:55:36.350 --> 00:55:37.630
I completely disagree.

2630
00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:37.970
I mean,

2631
00:55:38.230 --> 00:55:41.140
so a lot of the breakthroughs in cancer research,

2632
00:55:41.390 --> 00:55:41.500
um,

2633
00:55:41.510 --> 00:55:44.030
and cancer medication has come from the United States.

2634
00:55:44.070 --> 00:55:45.820
It's come from a result of our funding,

2635
00:55:45.950 --> 00:55:47.790
and we're seeing breakthroughs every single day.

2636
00:55:47.870 --> 00:55:48.110
I mean,

2637
00:55:48.390 --> 00:55:49.950
AI is a hotly contested topic,

2638
00:55:50.030 --> 00:55:53.150
but AI is showing that it can diagnose breast cancer or different tumors.

2639
00:55:53.530 --> 00:55:54.540
Before the human eye could.

2640
00:55:54.700 --> 00:55:56.850
We're seeing some breakthroughs with pancreatic cancer,

2641
00:55:56.930 --> 00:55:57.700
a protein

2642
00:55:57.850 --> 00:55:59.930
that appears in 90% of pancreatic cancer

2643
00:56:00.050 --> 00:56:00.760
cases.

2644
00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:03.240
We thought we couldn't be able to penetrate with the medication,

2645
00:56:03.410 --> 00:56:04.610
and there was like no entry point.

2646
00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:06.250
Now we're finding that actually with a new drug,

2647
00:56:06.270 --> 00:56:06.640
we can,

2648
00:56:06.730 --> 00:56:10.170
and it has less side effects than chemotherapy for a pancreatic pancreatic cancer.

2649
00:56:10.290 --> 00:56:11.770
Pancreatic cancer is incredibly serious,

2650
00:56:11.850 --> 00:56:12.650
incredibly deadly.

2651
00:56:12.810 --> 00:56:13.430
So these are all

2652
00:56:13.830 --> 00:56:15.430
A result of hardworking doctors,

2653
00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:16.160
nurses,

2654
00:56:16.310 --> 00:56:19.270
scientists who have dedicated their lives to making people better,

2655
00:56:19.350 --> 00:56:21.820
and I think we should continue to fund that effort because again,

2656
00:56:22.150 --> 00:56:25.500
1 in 2 Americans on average are going to be diagnosed with some form of cancer.

2657
00:56:25.590 --> 00:56:27.120
That's something that's gonna affect a lot of

2658
00:56:27.120 --> 00:56:28.490
people and we should keep funding that.

2659
00:56:28.590 --> 00:56:29.110
I understand that.

2660
00:56:29.120 --> 00:56:30.230
I think one of the main points

2661
00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:32.260
that you've mentioned throughout through your argument,

2662
00:56:32.270 --> 00:56:33.670
this past argument was that

2663
00:56:34.050 --> 00:56:34.620
um.

2664
00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:36.910
These breakthroughs have been found using AI.

2665
00:56:37.070 --> 00:56:38.350
So you think it'd be plausible to take

2666
00:56:38.350 --> 00:56:40.510
that money that they spent on research and development

2667
00:56:40.870 --> 00:56:41.660
through the different

2668
00:56:41.830 --> 00:56:44.620
health organizations and and repurpose that money

2669
00:56:44.830 --> 00:56:46.310
to increase our AI capabilities?

2670
00:56:46.420 --> 00:56:46.550
No,

2671
00:56:46.670 --> 00:56:46.900
I mean,

2672
00:56:47.270 --> 00:56:47.640
like I,

2673
00:56:47.670 --> 00:56:50.670
I think that AI and medicine is certainly something that we should be investing in,

2674
00:56:50.710 --> 00:56:51.960
but it should be a two-pronged approach.

2675
00:56:52.270 --> 00:56:53.100
So if we have like,

2676
00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:53.680
you know,

2677
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.760
developments in medicine that can help better diagnose,

2678
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.310
then that should absolutely be funded.

2679
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.770
But we should also continue to fund cancer research because again,

2680
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.330
we're still having breakthroughs and our understanding is still evolving.

2681
00:57:02.560 --> 00:57:03.680
During COV19,

2682
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:04.040
uh,

2683
00:57:04.130 --> 00:57:06.070
Donald Trump fast tracked a,

2684
00:57:06.200 --> 00:57:06.440
uh,

2685
00:57:06.600 --> 00:57:08.770
experimental vaccination that the majority.

2686
00:57:09.550 --> 00:57:11.620
The majority of the United States was forced to take.

2687
00:57:11.910 --> 00:57:12.540
Um,

2688
00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:13.830
yes,

2689
00:57:14.510 --> 00:57:14.520
yes.

2690
00:57:16.350 --> 00:57:17.380
I believe that

2691
00:57:18.150 --> 00:57:19.690
I believe that even even in California,

2692
00:57:19.710 --> 00:57:19.910
I,

2693
00:57:20.070 --> 00:57:21.390
I was running for Congress during this time,

2694
00:57:21.810 --> 00:57:22.230
Californians,

2695
00:57:22.240 --> 00:57:23.390
they had to shut down their businesses,

2696
00:57:23.430 --> 00:57:24.470
they had to shut down schools,

2697
00:57:24.510 --> 00:57:25.690
they shut down churches,

2698
00:57:26.110 --> 00:57:28.170
and in order to reopen at some point,

2699
00:57:28.230 --> 00:57:29.270
you have to have that vaccine.

2700
00:57:29.330 --> 00:57:30.430
You have to have a vaccine card,

2701
00:57:30.470 --> 00:57:31.350
you have to mask up,

2702
00:57:31.430 --> 00:57:32.350
even a flight to the airport,

2703
00:57:32.390 --> 00:57:33.430
you have to have a vaccine card,

2704
00:57:33.510 --> 00:57:34.420
so on and so forth.

2705
00:57:34.830 --> 00:57:35.410
Um,

2706
00:57:35.670 --> 00:57:35.790
so,

2707
00:57:35.890 --> 00:57:36.150
so yes,

2708
00:57:36.230 --> 00:57:37.740
a lot of people were forced to take that.

2709
00:57:37.930 --> 00:57:39.230
Do you believe that vaccination,

2710
00:57:39.520 --> 00:57:41.840
even though even till this day it's still considered experimental,

2711
00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:43.390
even the boosters are considered

2712
00:57:43.670 --> 00:57:44.320
experimental,

2713
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.360
it's not considered experimental.

2714
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:46.000
And are you gonna ask me,

2715
00:57:46.040 --> 00:57:47.120
do I think the vaccine's good?

2716
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:47.780
Yes,

2717
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:48.190
yes,

2718
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:48.720
you do.

2719
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:49.000
Yes,

2720
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:50.440
saved millions of lives.

2721
00:57:50.560 --> 00:57:51.220
How do you know?

2722
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:52.400
We've had study after study.

2723
00:57:52.450 --> 00:57:54.410
There have been massive studies in Europe actually,

2724
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.090
where they evaluated millions of people and found that

2725
00:57:57.200 --> 00:57:59.000
anybody that was vaccinated had a significantly

2726
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.090
lower death rate than people who weren't.

2727
00:58:01.340 --> 00:58:01.520
Um,

2728
00:58:01.640 --> 00:58:02.720
in some parts of the pandemic,

2729
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:03.800
you were more likely to get infected.

2730
00:58:04.040 --> 00:58:04.430
With COVID,

2731
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:05.560
if you didn't have the vaccine.

2732
00:58:05.720 --> 00:58:05.800
Now,

2733
00:58:05.810 --> 00:58:07.400
the goal of the vaccine is not to prevent infection,

2734
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:08.320
it's to prevent death.

2735
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.210
But the data is pretty clear on that here in the United States and around the world.

2736
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.440
What about the data that shows that anybody under

2737
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.430
the age of 35 did not need the vaccination?

2738
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.270
The vaccination was actually more effective

2739
00:58:17.470 --> 00:58:18.400
for senior citizens,

2740
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.400
anyone who's over the age of 65.

2741
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:21.160
So yeah,

2742
00:58:21.200 --> 00:58:21.990
the data is,

2743
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.280
is uh pretty clear that older people certainly experience COVID more.

2744
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:27.120
They died from COVID at a higher rate than younger people.

2745
00:58:27.240 --> 00:58:28.640
Younger people have stronger immune systems,

2746
00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:31.290
but it's still advised that young people do get the COVID vaccine

2747
00:58:31.560 --> 00:58:32.840
because young people still have died.

2748
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:33.280
They were around,

2749
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:33.860
I think,

2750
00:58:34.120 --> 00:58:34.670
and I,

2751
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:35.940
maybe there's a fact check here,

2752
00:58:36.040 --> 00:58:36.850
but I think the number was around.

2753
00:58:36.910 --> 00:58:39.750
5000 of young people who died from COVID,

2754
00:58:39.980 --> 00:58:40.150
um,

2755
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:40.700
and you know,

2756
00:58:40.770 --> 00:58:41.850
there are young people with,

2757
00:58:41.860 --> 00:58:41.980
uh,

2758
00:58:42.060 --> 00:58:42.740
comorbidities,

2759
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:43.810
which are like existing,

2760
00:58:44.020 --> 00:58:44.100
uh,

2761
00:58:44.340 --> 00:58:45.170
conditions that might,

2762
00:58:45.300 --> 00:58:45.430
uh,

2763
00:58:45.700 --> 00:58:47.710
be emphasized or worsened by COVID.

2764
00:58:47.870 --> 00:58:48.940
So you should still get the vaccine.

2765
00:58:49.100 --> 00:58:49.220
So,

2766
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:50.420
so you think that because of,

2767
00:58:50.610 --> 00:58:51.500
because they have a vaccine,

2768
00:58:51.540 --> 00:58:53.030
this experimental vaccine,

2769
00:58:53.620 --> 00:58:55.460
that the death rate for younger people is lower,

2770
00:58:55.540 --> 00:58:56.610
that they still should get it.

2771
00:58:57.180 --> 00:58:57.490
Yeah,

2772
00:58:57.660 --> 00:58:58.690
it's not experimental though.

2773
00:58:58.780 --> 00:59:00.980
And and that and that's where you think the funding should go for

2774
00:59:00.980 --> 00:59:03.060
people to be forced to take a vaccine that they don't need.

2775
00:59:03.180 --> 00:59:05.580
Nobody's been strapped down to a gurney and injected with the vaccine.

2776
00:59:05.740 --> 00:59:06.050
You can,

2777
00:59:06.060 --> 00:59:06.930
you can choose.

2778
00:59:07.180 --> 00:59:07.780
You have a choice,

2779
00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:08.140
right,

2780
00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:08.460
right.

2781
00:59:08.540 --> 00:59:09.260
Choose where

2782
00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:09.900
in Florida,

2783
00:59:10.060 --> 00:59:10.450
Texas,

2784
00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:11.860
anywhere where they didn't shut the

2785
00:59:12.290 --> 00:59:12.300
anywhere.

2786
00:59:12.870 --> 00:59:13.030
Because,

2787
00:59:13.150 --> 00:59:13.430
because I,

2788
00:59:13.470 --> 00:59:14.190
if I'm not mistaken,

2789
00:59:14.270 --> 00:59:16.070
New York shut their whole entire economy down.

2790
00:59:16.350 --> 00:59:17.510
California shut their entire economy.

2791
00:59:17.630 --> 00:59:17.870
I was,

2792
00:59:17.910 --> 00:59:19.230
I lived in New York at the time of COVID,

2793
00:59:19.240 --> 00:59:19.380
and,

2794
00:59:19.390 --> 00:59:19.510
uh,

2795
00:59:19.550 --> 00:59:20.190
we didn't get shut down.

2796
00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:20.500
I mean,

2797
00:59:20.670 --> 00:59:20.830
you know,

2798
00:59:20.950 --> 00:59:22.220
schools were temporarily closed,

2799
00:59:22.230 --> 00:59:23.470
and of course there were some businesses,

2800
00:59:23.550 --> 00:59:24.320
but that was

2801
00:59:24.670 --> 00:59:26.760
sometimes a result of the businesses making that decision.

2802
00:59:27.430 --> 00:59:28.700
Sometimes it was the state directing this.

2803
00:59:28.790 --> 00:59:29.110
But how long,

2804
00:59:29.190 --> 00:59:30.270
how long were the schools closed?

2805
00:59:30.390 --> 00:59:30.950
Sorry to cut you off.

2806
00:59:30.990 --> 00:59:31.210
How long

2807
00:59:31.330 --> 00:59:31.390
were those?

2808
00:59:31.620 --> 00:59:31.770
Uh,

2809
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:32.020
I mean,

2810
00:59:32.060 --> 00:59:34.380
I think it depends on the state for a very long time.

2811
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:34.600
Yeah,

2812
00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:35.930
for and for a decent amount of time,

2813
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:38.480
and the data is now showing that that probably was the wrong move.

2814
00:59:38.740 --> 00:59:41.060
But hindsight's 20/20 and what we were doing in COVID

2815
00:59:41.060 --> 00:59:43.980
with policy positions is a better safe than sorry approach.

2816
00:59:44.020 --> 00:59:44.460
It's better.

2817
00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:46.350
I'd rather be safe and not have my classmates

2818
00:59:46.350 --> 00:59:48.470
die than be sorry and have everybody get infected.

2819
00:59:48.540 --> 00:59:50.320
So then it goes back to at what cost?

2820
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:51.390
At what cost?

2821
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:51.880
I think there was,

2822
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:52.110
look,

2823
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:54.520
regardless of how COVID took place,

2824
00:59:54.640 --> 00:59:55.120
whether we were like,

2825
00:59:55.160 --> 00:59:55.520
you know what,

2826
00:59:55.680 --> 00:59:55.880
no,

2827
00:59:56.080 --> 00:59:56.720
no shutdowns,

2828
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:57.700
everybody do your thing,

2829
00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:59.040
or extreme shutdowns,

2830
00:59:59.120 --> 00:59:59.550
whatever,

2831
00:59:59.720 --> 01:00:01.000
it was always going to have a cost.

2832
01:00:01.080 --> 01:00:01.240
I mean,

2833
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:02.920
a million people still died from COVID.

2834
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:04.320
That number is actually higher than a million,

2835
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.390
but that was kind of like when people stopped counting.

2836
01:00:06.740 --> 01:00:08.110
a million people died from COVID.

2837
01:00:08.630 --> 01:00:10.310
Young people in this room probably had their

2838
01:00:10.310 --> 01:00:12.770
experiences as young people stunted because of COVID.

2839
01:00:12.870 --> 01:00:14.230
It was just a bad situation all around.

2840
01:00:14.310 --> 01:00:15.510
There was no real winning.

2841
01:00:15.870 --> 01:00:17.430
The reason why I asked the question,

2842
01:00:17.750 --> 01:00:19.150
you have been voted out by the majority.

2843
01:00:19.290 --> 01:00:19.550
Thank you.

2844
01:00:19.670 --> 01:00:19.830
Thanks,

2845
01:00:19.870 --> 01:00:20.070
man.

2846
01:00:20.150 --> 01:00:20.230
Yes sir,

2847
01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:21.070
appreciate it.

2848
01:00:23.420 --> 01:00:24.960
If you would like to be the next debater,

2849
01:00:25.140 --> 01:00:28.530
please get to the chair in 321.

2850
01:00:30.690 --> 01:00:31.050
Hi,

2851
01:00:31.250 --> 01:00:31.740
nice to meet you.

2852
01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:31.960
How are you?

2853
01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:32.690
Nice to meet you.

2854
01:00:33.130 --> 01:00:33.490
Um,

2855
01:00:33.690 --> 01:00:34.330
so you're,

2856
01:00:34.450 --> 01:00:36.200
you're bringing up some claims about

2857
01:00:36.690 --> 01:00:38.230
everyone during the COVID

2858
01:00:38.450 --> 01:00:40.350
pandemic being able to.

2859
01:00:41.810 --> 01:00:44.090
Being able to do what they wanted in a sense,

2860
01:00:44.170 --> 01:00:44.640
um.

2861
01:00:45.700 --> 01:00:47.600
And I think the previous guy here mentioned

2862
01:00:48.010 --> 01:00:49.170
that um

2863
01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:52.450
New York City and places like California were affected

2864
01:00:52.740 --> 01:00:53.820
and so I,

2865
01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:56.650
I would agree with what he was saying in the sense that

2866
01:00:56.860 --> 01:00:57.960
Gavin Newsom

2867
01:00:58.300 --> 01:00:59.110
was

2868
01:00:59.500 --> 01:01:00.230
promoting

2869
01:01:00.420 --> 01:01:03.260
uh state legislation that was basically forcing

2870
01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:05.440
tech companies even in Silicon Valley to

2871
01:01:05.660 --> 01:01:07.970
lay off a bunch of employees who were refusing

2872
01:01:08.300 --> 01:01:10.590
to uh receive the COVID vaccine,

2873
01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:12.170
so state employees.

2874
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:14.020
You said state employees.

2875
01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:14.050
No,

2876
01:01:14.060 --> 01:01:14.110
no,

2877
01:01:14.140 --> 01:01:14.380
no,

2878
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:14.510
no,

2879
01:01:14.540 --> 01:01:16.330
I'm saying in the state of California

2880
01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:18.580
for Silicon Valley tech

2881
01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:19.790
industry workers,

2882
01:01:20.260 --> 01:01:20.740
um.

2883
01:01:21.710 --> 01:01:23.580
My concern really has to do with,

2884
01:01:23.710 --> 01:01:23.990
you know,

2885
01:01:24.170 --> 01:01:24.310
your,

2886
01:01:24.390 --> 01:01:25.460
your claim saying

2887
01:01:25.910 --> 01:01:26.910
that Donald Trump.

2888
01:01:28.180 --> 01:01:28.700
Doesn't,

2889
01:01:28.790 --> 01:01:29.310
um,

2890
01:01:29.780 --> 01:01:30.690
can you state the claim again?

2891
01:01:30.710 --> 01:01:30.770
Yeah,

2892
01:01:30.830 --> 01:01:32.180
he's making us sicker and less healthy.

2893
01:01:32.270 --> 01:01:32.580
Yes,

2894
01:01:32.790 --> 01:01:33.190
so.

2895
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:35.990
My,

2896
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.550
my regard to this is

2897
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.830
people like stars um Leanne Baker

2898
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:41.990
who were

2899
01:01:42.410 --> 01:01:44.280
essentially doxed and considered domestic

2900
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.320
terrorists by the Joe Biden administration

2901
01:01:46.750 --> 01:01:49.110
because she refused to give her

2902
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.520
children the COVID vaccination and then moved to Nashville.

2903
01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:53.890
So for me,

2904
01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:55.750
I'm thinking what kind of person

2905
01:01:56.100 --> 01:01:57.090
would call,

2906
01:01:57.370 --> 01:01:58.260
especially the president,

2907
01:01:58.460 --> 01:01:59.740
the former president Joe Biden,

2908
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:01.070
what kind of person

2909
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:04.490
would call a mother a domestic terrorist for attempting to

2910
01:02:04.650 --> 01:02:06.580
what seemed to her like protecting her child,

2911
01:02:06.700 --> 01:02:07.580
domestic terrorist.

2912
01:02:07.700 --> 01:02:10.580
That's what she was called by that's what she by her,

2913
01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:11.350
by Joe Biden,

2914
01:02:11.380 --> 01:02:14.100
by Joe Biden said in a speech that this person is a domestic terrorist.

2915
01:02:14.220 --> 01:02:15.700
He called her a domestic terrorist.

2916
01:02:15.750 --> 01:02:16.460
What was the exact quote.

2917
01:02:17.160 --> 01:02:18.500
Because I can guarantee you Joe Biden didn't

2918
01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:20.600
call her she was considered a domestic terrorist.

2919
01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:21.360
I don't think Joe Biden,

2920
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:21.560
I mean,

2921
01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:21.730
look,

2922
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:22.760
there's gonna be a fact check here,

2923
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:23.640
but of course,

2924
01:02:23.720 --> 01:02:26.800
and she was reportedly saying this out in the media as well,

2925
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:27.920
and that's why she

2926
01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:28.540
moved to

2927
01:02:28.690 --> 01:02:28.700
national,

2928
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:28.970
she,

2929
01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:30.770
she can endanger her right.

2930
01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:33.110
So to the premise of your

2931
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:33.970
argument,

2932
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:35.670
how is Donald Trump,

2933
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:36.360
um,

2934
01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:38.090
making America

2935
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:39.100
unhealthy,

2936
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:41.680
I would say he's actually protecting people like Leanne.

2937
01:02:41.810 --> 01:02:42.120
Baker,

2938
01:02:42.130 --> 01:02:43.330
who have full faith

2939
01:02:43.640 --> 01:02:46.360
in that they should be allowed to protect their children at all costs.

2940
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:47.880
Is he protecting cancer patients?

2941
01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:48.280
Well,

2942
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.420
that funding actually was granted.

2943
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:51.640
The funding that you're talking about,

2944
01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:52.160
the,

2945
01:02:52.240 --> 01:02:53.120
the NCI,

2946
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:53.510
yes,

2947
01:02:53.520 --> 01:02:54.680
it was 7.2.

2948
01:02:54.890 --> 01:02:55.640
I know what you're talking about.

2949
01:02:55.720 --> 01:02:58.630
Donald Trump suggested in his budget a 40% cut

2950
01:02:58.840 --> 01:02:59.560
to wait,

2951
01:02:59.600 --> 01:02:59.830
what?

2952
01:02:59.920 --> 01:02:59.960
No,

2953
01:03:00.110 --> 01:03:00.630
just hold on.

2954
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:01.810
In Donald Trump's budget,

2955
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.600
he initially suggested a 40% cut to cancer research funding across the board.

2956
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:06.100
That was an

2957
01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:06.390
actual.

2958
01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:07.440
Taken out by Congress.

2959
01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:08.790
So Congress said we're not going to do that.

2960
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:09.310
And that was

2961
01:03:09.620 --> 01:03:10.880
done by Senator

2962
01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:11.800
Kirsten Gillibrand,

2963
01:03:12.080 --> 01:03:12.600
Democrat from New York,

2964
01:03:12.690 --> 01:03:13.240
Mike Lawler,

2965
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:14.300
Republican from New York as well.

2966
01:03:14.310 --> 01:03:15.080
It was bipartisan.

2967
01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:16.430
So Donald Trump's

2968
01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:18.040
more extreme cuts were actually taken out.

2969
01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:20.070
But in the 1st 3 months of Donald Trump's administration,

2970
01:03:20.220 --> 01:03:20.400
cuts,

2971
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:20.660
right,

2972
01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:21.940
but the congressional in Donald Trump,

2973
01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:24.310
in Donald Trump's 1st 3 months of his administration,

2974
01:03:24.560 --> 01:03:27.550
cancer funding research was reduced by 30% year over year.

2975
01:03:27.680 --> 01:03:31.080
So did they receive funding from the congressional NCI?

2976
01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:32.400
The answer is yes.

2977
01:03:33.070 --> 01:03:35.130
Congress gave NCI Institute

2978
01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:35.960
funding.

2979
01:03:36.080 --> 01:03:36.640
If you cut funding,

2980
01:03:36.650 --> 01:03:38.080
it doesn't mean that all funding is gone,

2981
01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:38.510
right?

2982
01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:40.500
But what you're misleading people on here in the,

2983
01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:41.120
in the audience,

2984
01:03:41.130 --> 01:03:41.880
and I think I'll.

2985
01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:44.040
In public where people are going to watch this is

2986
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:45.760
they did receive funding.

2987
01:03:45.930 --> 01:03:48.370
So whether they never claimed they got all their funding slashed,

2988
01:03:48.490 --> 01:03:48.710
no,

2989
01:03:48.810 --> 01:03:50.410
but you're claiming that

2990
01:03:50.560 --> 01:03:52.600
they were not receiving funds.

2991
01:03:52.810 --> 01:03:53.930
I claim that they're.

2992
01:03:54.390 --> 01:03:55.990
I claim that their funding got cut,

2993
01:03:56.310 --> 01:03:57.680
not that they didn't receive any funds.

2994
01:03:57.790 --> 01:04:00.310
My claim is that Donald Trump has cut cancer funding research.

2995
01:04:00.430 --> 01:04:00.840
Yes or no?

2996
01:04:00.870 --> 01:04:01.500
Is that true?

2997
01:04:01.790 --> 01:04:02.480
So

2998
01:04:02.680 --> 01:04:03.240
just true or false,

2999
01:04:03.270 --> 01:04:03.860
is that true or false,

3000
01:04:03.870 --> 01:04:04.910
to some extent,

3001
01:04:04.990 --> 01:04:05.560
but not OK.

3002
01:04:05.750 --> 01:04:06.350
So to some extent.

3003
01:04:06.430 --> 01:04:07.950
So if you're cutting cancer research funding,

3004
01:04:08.030 --> 01:04:09.380
I think that makes it worse.

3005
01:04:09.390 --> 01:04:11.350
Do you know why he was cutting and people who would die?

3006
01:04:11.950 --> 01:04:16.030
Because a lot of research institutes were actually withholding some of those funds

3007
01:04:16.230 --> 01:04:18.910
and hoping that they could roll them over to the next year.

3008
01:04:19.110 --> 01:04:20.300
And so that's.

3009
01:04:20.780 --> 01:04:21.610
I would say

3010
01:04:21.860 --> 01:04:23.460
something that they were supposed to be using.

3011
01:04:23.600 --> 01:04:24.260
So the,

3012
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:27.180
the if you're a research institute and you're

3013
01:04:27.180 --> 01:04:29.570
trying to do research on cancer patients,

3014
01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:31.690
I would think you would use all your funds,

3015
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:32.540
not withhold.

3016
01:04:32.660 --> 01:04:32.940
So that's,

3017
01:04:33.020 --> 01:04:33.300
that is,

3018
01:04:33.370 --> 01:04:36.330
that is certainly not the case for why Donald Trump cut these funds.

3019
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:36.490
Um,

3020
01:04:37.130 --> 01:04:39.130
the justification from the administration,

3021
01:04:39.340 --> 01:04:39.420
well,

3022
01:04:39.500 --> 01:04:39.940
first of all,

3023
01:04:40.060 --> 01:04:41.770
he did in the 1st 3 months of his administration,

3024
01:04:42.020 --> 01:04:44.180
cancer funding research was down 30% year over year.

3025
01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:44.690
So that happened.

3026
01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:44.940
That's.

3027
01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:46.070
Not even disputable.

3028
01:04:46.190 --> 01:04:49.830
So $7.2 billion is the same as 2025.

3029
01:04:50.100 --> 01:04:50.860
So no,

3030
01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:53.880
he actually cut $2.1 billion in cancer funding research.

3031
01:04:54.070 --> 01:04:54.620
So that is,

3032
01:04:54.660 --> 01:04:56.440
that is not even up for debate.

3033
01:04:56.740 --> 01:04:59.700
So but you just also agreed that Donald Trump did cut cancer funding research,

3034
01:04:59.780 --> 01:05:01.660
but you're making it seem like he cut everything.

3035
01:05:01.740 --> 01:05:03.190
I did not say he cut everything,

3036
01:05:03.340 --> 01:05:04.180
but you did.

3037
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:04.930
I did not.

3038
01:05:05.220 --> 01:05:05.660
I did not.

3039
01:05:05.740 --> 01:05:06.300
Are you kidding me?

3040
01:05:06.380 --> 01:05:07.540
I just said that Donald Trump cut

3041
01:05:07.650 --> 01:05:07.780
cancer

3042
01:05:08.290 --> 01:05:08.560
funding.

3043
01:05:09.430 --> 01:05:12.470
Part of this is the other part of this is

3044
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:14.100
under COVID,

3045
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:15.630
Gavin Newsom was whoa,

3046
01:05:15.700 --> 01:05:15.790
whoa,

3047
01:05:15.860 --> 01:05:15.980
whoa,

3048
01:05:16.070 --> 01:05:16.180
whoa,

3049
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:16.350
whoa,

3050
01:05:16.420 --> 01:05:17.820
you still haven't given me a coherent.

3051
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:19.700
How about the pediatric I was speaking to this guy,

3052
01:05:19.900 --> 01:05:20.980
the pediatric Brain

3053
01:05:21.250 --> 01:05:21.820
Tumor

3054
01:05:22.020 --> 01:05:22.660
Consortium,

3055
01:05:22.700 --> 01:05:24.380
which focused on pediatric brain cancer.

3056
01:05:24.470 --> 01:05:24.700
OK.

3057
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:25.380
Why?

3058
01:05:25.620 --> 01:05:26.870
Why did they get their funding cut?

3059
01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:27.180
By the way,

3060
01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:28.130
$0.

3061
01:05:28.220 --> 01:05:29.100
They didn't have it reduced.

3062
01:05:29.180 --> 01:05:31.460
Maybe they were doing effective work really,

3063
01:05:31.580 --> 01:05:32.540
because they had a bunch of studies,

3064
01:05:32.660 --> 01:05:33.660
a lot of research institutes.

3065
01:05:33.790 --> 01:05:34.490
To get cut.

3066
01:05:34.620 --> 01:05:35.540
They had a bunch of studies.

3067
01:05:35.580 --> 01:05:36.210
This is a,

3068
01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:36.580
a,

3069
01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:36.610
a,

3070
01:05:36.660 --> 01:05:37.400
a group of people,

3071
01:05:37.620 --> 01:05:40.830
a group of people and experts who have been funded for 26 years,

3072
01:05:41.060 --> 01:05:41.340
and they were,

3073
01:05:41.420 --> 01:05:42.930
they had active clinical trials.

3074
01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:45.030
What do you say to the families who their children

3075
01:05:45.140 --> 01:05:46.910
who have not only gone through a cancer diagnosis,

3076
01:05:46.940 --> 01:05:49.140
but we're going through the studies and then were taken out of that study?

3077
01:05:49.220 --> 01:05:50.250
What do you say to those families?

3078
01:05:50.580 --> 01:05:50.970
Well,

3079
01:05:51.700 --> 01:05:53.090
why don't you answer?

3080
01:05:53.580 --> 01:05:54.390
What would you say to the

3081
01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:54.980
families?

3082
01:05:55.020 --> 01:05:55.060
Well,

3083
01:05:55.180 --> 01:05:56.530
why would you say to the families

3084
01:05:56.980 --> 01:05:58.110
who were forced to.

3085
01:05:58.180 --> 01:05:58.780
Give their children

3086
01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:01.700
on this point you can't say anything to the families.

3087
01:06:01.780 --> 01:06:02.750
It's indefensible.

3088
01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:03.730
We're cutting

3089
01:06:04.510 --> 01:06:05.490
pediatric brain cancer,

3090
01:06:05.540 --> 01:06:05.660
again,

3091
01:06:05.700 --> 01:06:06.340
I said it to him,

3092
01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:08.800
the number 1 killer of kids with cancer in the United States.

3093
01:06:08.940 --> 01:06:10.590
There is no defense

3094
01:06:10.700 --> 01:06:11.780
for cutting the funding

3095
01:06:12.020 --> 01:06:13.330
for research for this issue.

3096
01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:15.660
50% effectiveness of COVID vaccine.

3097
01:06:15.740 --> 01:06:15.820
Well,

3098
01:06:15.940 --> 01:06:16.780
that's just misinformation.

3099
01:06:16.820 --> 01:06:17.000
You're,

3100
01:06:17.100 --> 01:06:18.630
you're making stuff up and you're making stuff

3101
01:06:18.630 --> 01:06:20.180
up in response to what I'm talking about.

3102
01:06:20.260 --> 01:06:21.820
You won't even answer why Donald Trump did it.

3103
01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:22.360
Why?

3104
01:06:23.060 --> 01:06:24.540
Maybe it was too much funding.

3105
01:06:24.660 --> 01:06:25.340
Maybe it was too much funding.

3106
01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:26.450
How much do you think it was funded?

3107
01:06:26.540 --> 01:06:27.340
It was in the tens of millions.

3108
01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:29.390
I'll answer the question for you because we might be out of time

3109
01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:31.250
for the pediatric brain.

3110
01:06:31.700 --> 01:06:31.780
No,

3111
01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:31.940
no,

3112
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:32.020
no,

3113
01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:32.500
exactly.

3114
01:06:32.620 --> 01:06:33.860
So I'm talking about this in particular.

3115
01:06:33.980 --> 01:06:34.990
What's the justification?

3116
01:06:36.120 --> 01:06:36.470
I mean,

3117
01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:38.080
you're back to your claim,

3118
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.270
which is that people

3119
01:06:40.470 --> 01:06:42.960
were are suffering health wise

3120
01:06:43.110 --> 01:06:44.620
under the Trump administration,

3121
01:06:45.060 --> 01:06:48.180
I would say that Trump is actually doing a great thing for our country.

3122
01:06:48.260 --> 01:06:48.720
So cutting,

3123
01:06:48.740 --> 01:06:50.930
cutting childhood cancer research is a good thing.

3124
01:06:51.260 --> 01:06:52.540
You cut some funds.

3125
01:06:52.580 --> 01:06:53.600
You don't cut everything.

3126
01:06:53.770 --> 01:06:53.780
Oh,

3127
01:06:53.940 --> 01:06:54.260
it's OK,

3128
01:06:54.420 --> 01:06:54.460
great.

3129
01:06:54.540 --> 01:06:56.330
But the fact that you're position of the

3130
01:06:56.330 --> 01:06:58.700
administration that cutting childhood cancer research is good.

3131
01:06:58.820 --> 01:06:59.330
Some of those,

3132
01:06:59.380 --> 01:06:59.630
those,

3133
01:06:59.650 --> 01:07:01.330
those funds were not all used though.

3134
01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:02.980
They were all used by the PD,

3135
01:07:03.140 --> 01:07:03.580
but this,

3136
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:04.870
we are going to pause here.

3137
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:06.220
We are out of time.

3138
01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:07.000
Thank you.

3139
01:07:07.100 --> 01:07:07.430
Thank you.

3140
01:07:07.580 --> 01:07:07.700
Yeah,

3141
01:07:07.740 --> 01:07:08.020
of course.

3142
01:07:11.540 --> 01:07:14.220
My final surrounding claim is that the Epstein File cover-up

3143
01:07:14.220 --> 01:07:16.650
is one of the worst scandals in American history.

3144
01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:18.300
If you'd like to be the first debater,

3145
01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:21.860
please get to the chair in 321.

3146
01:07:24.220 --> 01:07:24.540
Firstly,

3147
01:07:24.580 --> 01:07:25.610
I just want to say

3148
01:07:25.730 --> 01:07:29.430
I totally agree with you that her failure to release the Epstein files,

3149
01:07:29.580 --> 01:07:31.450
despite being president for 4 years,

3150
01:07:31.620 --> 01:07:33.300
despite having control of Congress,

3151
01:07:33.460 --> 01:07:35.060
was one of Joe Biden's biggest failures,

3152
01:07:35.180 --> 01:07:37.460
and I'm glad you're ready to criticize Joe Biden for that failure,

3153
01:07:37.540 --> 01:07:39.030
that he chose not to release them.

3154
01:07:39.140 --> 01:07:41.460
It's even weirder given that your side's so confident

3155
01:07:41.460 --> 01:07:43.290
that Donald Trump's gonna be named in the files.

3156
01:07:43.420 --> 01:07:45.700
It's extra weird that Joe wouldn't want to drop those files,

3157
01:07:45.820 --> 01:07:45.980
right?

3158
01:07:46.180 --> 01:07:46.300
Do you,

3159
01:07:46.410 --> 01:07:49.420
do you have any theories as to why Joe Biden refuses to release the Epstein files?

3160
01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:49.520
Yeah,

3161
01:07:49.590 --> 01:07:49.710
I mean,

3162
01:07:49.740 --> 01:07:50.620
I'm happy to talk about it.

3163
01:07:50.630 --> 01:07:50.780
I mean,

3164
01:07:50.900 --> 01:07:51.020
first.

3165
01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:51.330
First of all,

3166
01:07:51.650 --> 01:07:53.290
Donald Trump was named in the Epstein files.

3167
01:07:53.570 --> 01:07:56.850
His name appears more times in the files than Jesus' name does in the Bible,

3168
01:07:57.170 --> 01:07:58.440
which is a pretty interesting

3169
01:07:58.570 --> 01:07:59.050
statistic.

3170
01:07:59.170 --> 01:08:00.160
But there's a lot of

3171
01:08:00.530 --> 01:08:00.890
I'm happy,

3172
01:08:00.930 --> 01:08:02.040
I'm happy to answer the question.

3173
01:08:02.250 --> 01:08:03.630
So the reason why Joe Biden

3174
01:08:03.850 --> 01:08:06.770
specifically didn't release the Epstein files is for a couple of reasons,

3175
01:08:06.890 --> 01:08:09.280
mainly because there was an independence between the DOJ

3176
01:08:09.490 --> 01:08:10.970
and Joe Biden during his administration.

3177
01:08:11.050 --> 01:08:12.600
Joe Biden wasn't calling up Merrick Garland and say,

3178
01:08:12.690 --> 01:08:12.810
Hey,

3179
01:08:12.930 --> 01:08:13.570
do this for me,

3180
01:08:13.690 --> 01:08:13.890
right?

3181
01:08:14.050 --> 01:08:14.690
There just wasn't that,

3182
01:08:14.730 --> 01:08:16.779
and there's no evidence of that there a reason he couldn't have done that?

3183
01:08:16.850 --> 01:08:17.050
I mean,

3184
01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:17.810
he could have,

3185
01:08:17.930 --> 01:08:20.870
but he To maintain that independence between the DOJ and the presidency,

3186
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.640
which has existed for many decades,

3187
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:23.330
many centuries.

3188
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:24.040
So that's number 1.

3189
01:08:24.120 --> 01:08:24.939
But also number 2,

3190
01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:27.399
I think the bigger reason is that Ghislaine Maxwell's

3191
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.080
case was still working its way through the courts,

3192
01:08:29.200 --> 01:08:31.420
and there's DOJ policy across any administration

3193
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:32.720
that any active court case,

3194
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.080
a lot of the files can't be released to

3195
01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:35.760
the public because it's part of that court case.

3196
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.870
Could any of the files,

3197
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:38.279
some of them maybe.

3198
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:39.670
How come he didn't release any?

3199
01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:40.319
I mean,

3200
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:41.920
I think that Joe Biden should have.

3201
01:08:42.100 --> 01:08:43.600
I have no problem with any Democrat,

3202
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:44.300
any Republican,

3203
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:44.680
number one,

3204
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:45.399
if they're named in the file.

3205
01:08:45.910 --> 01:08:46.670
If they did something bad,

3206
01:08:46.710 --> 01:08:47.550
they should be held accountable.

3207
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:49.029
But any administration should do that.

3208
01:08:49.109 --> 01:08:49.660
And I think

3209
01:08:49.910 --> 01:08:52.109
more so the onus is on like someone like Merrick Garland,

3210
01:08:52.149 --> 01:08:54.109
who was the head of the DOJ as opposed to Joe Biden,

3211
01:08:54.189 --> 01:08:54.540
because again,

3212
01:08:54.550 --> 01:08:55.500
there was that independence.

3213
01:08:55.750 --> 01:08:56.229
But the point,

3214
01:08:56.430 --> 01:08:59.560
but the point here is that there are still millions of Epstein files out there.

3215
01:08:59.710 --> 01:09:02.310
Donald Trump has been legally mandated to release the files,

3216
01:09:02.350 --> 01:09:03.390
and he still hasn't.

3217
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.069
Why are there still millions of files missing

3218
01:09:05.069 --> 01:09:06.550
and why hasn't he complied with the law?

3219
01:09:06.670 --> 01:09:06.750
Yeah,

3220
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:07.460
because truthfully,

3221
01:09:07.470 --> 01:09:08.510
this isn't a partisan issue.

3222
01:09:08.630 --> 01:09:08.910
Your,

3223
01:09:09.109 --> 01:09:11.510
your framing on this claim wants to make it a partisan issue.

3224
01:09:11.590 --> 01:09:12.439
I just said any Democrat,

3225
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:12.640
Republican.

3226
01:09:12.899 --> 01:09:13.540
hold him accountable.

3227
01:09:13.620 --> 01:09:14.020
I understand,

3228
01:09:14.140 --> 01:09:16.740
but the way you and your side talk about this is this is all Donald Trump.

3229
01:09:16.810 --> 01:09:17.069
It's all

3230
01:09:17.180 --> 01:09:17.819
I'm talking about it,

3231
01:09:17.899 --> 01:09:18.020
right?

3232
01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:19.580
So if I'm saying hold both sides accountable,

3233
01:09:19.660 --> 01:09:21.220
this is obviously not a political issue for me.

3234
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:21.859
I think this is,

3235
01:09:22.020 --> 01:09:24.819
I say it's one of the biggest scandals regardless of politics.

3236
01:09:24.899 --> 01:09:28.300
Can I inquire how many times you called for this under Joe Biden's presidency?

3237
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:28.490
Uh,

3238
01:09:28.689 --> 01:09:28.700
I,

3239
01:09:28.819 --> 01:09:29.140
I don't know.

3240
01:09:29.149 --> 01:09:29.300
I mean,

3241
01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:30.279
I don't have a number.

3242
01:09:30.460 --> 01:09:31.460
I probably at some point,

3243
01:09:31.540 --> 01:09:33.140
but I've been doing this for like 6 years now.

3244
01:09:33.220 --> 01:09:33.500
So,

3245
01:09:33.660 --> 01:09:33.950
so

3246
01:09:34.220 --> 01:09:35.500
I don't remember every word I've ever said online.

3247
01:09:35.540 --> 01:09:36.260
6 years ago,

3248
01:09:36.370 --> 01:09:38.540
that was pretty solidly at the beginning of Joe's presidency.

3249
01:09:38.630 --> 01:09:38.700
No,

3250
01:09:39.020 --> 01:09:39.740
it was Donald Trump's.

3251
01:09:40.040 --> 01:09:40.510
Six years ago,

3252
01:09:40.590 --> 01:09:40.830
OK,

3253
01:09:41.069 --> 01:09:42.020
when I started at least.

3254
01:09:42.069 --> 01:09:42.330
OK,

3255
01:09:42.490 --> 01:09:43.229
so then 2020,

3256
01:09:43.270 --> 01:09:43.740
so you were

3257
01:09:43.870 --> 01:09:45.600
doing this for the entirety of Joe's presidency.

3258
01:09:45.830 --> 01:09:47.270
You never once called for Joe Biden to release.

3259
01:09:47.540 --> 01:09:48.670
I probably did at some point,

3260
01:09:48.750 --> 01:09:48.990
but again,

3261
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.430
I don't know every word I've ever spoken online.

3262
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:52.189
Did you call for Merrick Garland to ever release the

3263
01:09:52.310 --> 01:09:53.189
I imagine I did at some point,

3264
01:09:53.270 --> 01:09:54.029
but even if I didn't,

3265
01:09:54.109 --> 01:09:56.750
the fact still remains that Donald Trump has not released these files.

3266
01:09:56.790 --> 01:09:58.180
He's been legally mandated to.

3267
01:09:58.270 --> 01:09:58.590
Why?

3268
01:09:58.630 --> 01:09:59.380
What's the answer?

3269
01:09:59.740 --> 01:10:00.420
But what's the answer?

3270
01:10:00.620 --> 01:10:01.460
Because like I'm saying,

3271
01:10:01.660 --> 01:10:03.260
this is a nonpartisan uniparty issue.

3272
01:10:03.780 --> 01:10:05.510
Neither side wants to release these files,

3273
01:10:05.620 --> 01:10:06.970
and my question to you is why?

3274
01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:08.440
Why do you think neither

3275
01:10:08.700 --> 01:10:08.980
Democrats,

3276
01:10:09.180 --> 01:10:10.580
Democrats wanted to release the files?

3277
01:10:10.660 --> 01:10:11.900
They voted overwhelmingly to.

3278
01:10:12.020 --> 01:10:12.430
Donald Trump,

3279
01:10:12.580 --> 01:10:14.140
when they didn't have the the Epstein Files

3280
01:10:14.140 --> 01:10:15.940
Transparency Act was working its way through Congress.

3281
01:10:16.060 --> 01:10:18.340
Donald Trump called up Republican members who had put their name on

3282
01:10:18.340 --> 01:10:20.680
the discharge petition and told them to take their name off.

3283
01:10:20.810 --> 01:10:21.460
Marjorie Taylor Greene,

3284
01:10:21.540 --> 01:10:22.030
Lauren Bobert,

3285
01:10:22.100 --> 01:10:23.060
they've been open about this.

3286
01:10:23.230 --> 01:10:24.660
Why doesn't Donald Trump want the files to come

3287
01:10:24.660 --> 01:10:25.940
out and why hasn't he released all of them?

3288
01:10:25.970 --> 01:10:26.380
And that's my.

3289
01:10:26.420 --> 01:10:26.850
Exact point.

3290
01:10:26.970 --> 01:10:28.930
Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want it.

3291
01:10:29.090 --> 01:10:30.040
Can I get an answer to the question?

3292
01:10:30.090 --> 01:10:30.400
Why?

3293
01:10:30.650 --> 01:10:30.770
Right?

3294
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.970
Because both parties on some issues actually

3295
01:10:32.970 --> 01:10:34.850
happen to have very good cross-partisan unity,

3296
01:10:34.930 --> 01:10:35.060
right?

3297
01:10:35.130 --> 01:10:35.730
You would agree with that.

3298
01:10:36.090 --> 01:10:37.210
This is one of those issues,

3299
01:10:37.370 --> 01:10:38.680
and it's one of those issues for the same

3300
01:10:38.690 --> 01:10:42.360
reason pertain typically anytime both parties have cross-party loyalty,

3301
01:10:42.450 --> 01:10:42.760
it

3302
01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:44.280
goes to essentially

3303
01:10:44.490 --> 01:10:45.340
favoring the elites,

3304
01:10:45.410 --> 01:10:45.530
right?

3305
01:10:45.570 --> 01:10:45.810
We could let,

3306
01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:47.040
let's just talk about that.

3307
01:10:47.170 --> 01:10:50.280
The elites that actually benefit no matter which party is in office,

3308
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:50.810
right?

3309
01:10:50.930 --> 01:10:52.930
They tend to get their way regardless of who the president is.

3310
01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:53.520
Agree with that.

3311
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:53.720
Wait,

3312
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:55.800
can we just go back to your claim that it's cross-party unity?

3313
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.000
Only 4 Republicans put their name on the discharge petition.

3314
01:10:58.080 --> 01:10:58.200
Yes,

3315
01:10:58.330 --> 01:10:58.950
conveniently,

3316
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:00.360
when they knew that it was going to

3317
01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:03.270
be a Democrat-led discharge petition under Trump's presidency,

3318
01:11:03.460 --> 01:11:05.750
how many times did the Democrats under Biden's presidency?

3319
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:07.400
We're talking about Donald Trump's presidency right now.

3320
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.960
Why did only 4 Republicans put their name on the discharge petition?

3321
01:11:10.120 --> 01:11:11.440
That's what I'm trying to put them on it.

3322
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:13.000
Doesn't it mean that it's not quite no,

3323
01:11:13.040 --> 01:11:13.960
it means a unit.

3324
01:11:14.290 --> 01:11:14.370
See,

3325
01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:15.590
they know in advance.

3326
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:15.820
Yeah,

3327
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:16.890
I'm trying to explain this to you.

3328
01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:19.810
So when there's no chance the files will get released under Trump.

3329
01:11:19.910 --> 01:11:21.210
The Democrats will clamor for it.

3330
01:11:21.270 --> 01:11:22.030
But under Biden,

3331
01:11:22.110 --> 01:11:22.910
when he could release it,

3332
01:11:23.030 --> 01:11:24.320
then the Republicans might clamor for it.

3333
01:11:24.330 --> 01:11:25.750
But the Democrats conveniently silent.

3334
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:25.950
Wait,

3335
01:11:26.070 --> 01:11:27.830
despite the politics that you're talking about,

3336
01:11:27.870 --> 01:11:28.670
the games of politics,

3337
01:11:28.710 --> 01:11:30.000
which happen with every single issue,

3338
01:11:30.270 --> 01:11:33.240
would you agree that all the files should be released at this point in time?

3339
01:11:33.270 --> 01:11:33.630
Of course.

3340
01:11:33.710 --> 01:11:36.310
Would you agree that Donald Trump is legally mandated to release the files?

3341
01:11:36.320 --> 01:11:38.710
I don't have a legal analysis opinion on whether he is,

3342
01:11:38.810 --> 01:11:39.230
but he should,

3343
01:11:39.470 --> 01:11:40.430
regardless of whether he is or not.

3344
01:11:40.460 --> 01:11:41.590
Epstein files Transparency Act,

3345
01:11:41.630 --> 01:11:42.030
it's a law,

3346
01:11:42.150 --> 01:11:44.630
and they're actually working on a second version to make it more enforceable.

3347
01:11:44.710 --> 01:11:44.790
I mean,

3348
01:11:44.870 --> 01:11:46.430
I don't want to get into a boring constitutional argument.

3349
01:11:46.550 --> 01:11:48.230
I don't know if that law is valid because of executive.

3350
01:11:48.380 --> 01:11:48.420
No,

3351
01:11:48.530 --> 01:11:50.460
because there's like there's an issue that maybe he can't,

3352
01:11:50.540 --> 01:11:52.060
they can't compel the president to do stuff.

3353
01:11:52.140 --> 01:11:52.500
Either way,

3354
01:11:52.610 --> 01:11:53.370
he should release them,

3355
01:11:53.540 --> 01:11:54.260
as should Joe Biden.

3356
01:11:54.500 --> 01:11:55.520
And so why should Merrick Garland?

3357
01:11:55.540 --> 01:11:56.020
Why hasn't he?

3358
01:11:56.060 --> 01:11:56.380
There's no,

3359
01:11:56.420 --> 01:11:58.370
there's no good answer to this question on why hasn't he,

3360
01:11:58.380 --> 01:11:59.660
and that's where the cover-up comes up.

3361
01:11:59.740 --> 01:12:00.850
What do you mean by good answer?

3362
01:12:01.060 --> 01:12:01.620
I can give you

3363
01:12:01.740 --> 01:12:03.060
there's maybe what I think is a correct answer.

3364
01:12:03.140 --> 01:12:03.900
There's no explanation.

3365
01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:04.700
There's no justification.

3366
01:12:04.780 --> 01:12:05.700
That's what I mean by good answer.

3367
01:12:05.780 --> 01:12:07.050
And there's an explanation.

3368
01:12:07.340 --> 01:12:07.380
Well,

3369
01:12:07.450 --> 01:12:08.190
what's the explanation?

3370
01:12:08.220 --> 01:12:10.940
The explanation is the same group of people that benefit

3371
01:12:10.940 --> 01:12:13.100
from these files not being released who benefited under.

3372
01:12:13.290 --> 01:12:13.720
Joe Biden,

3373
01:12:13.890 --> 01:12:15.210
who benefit under Merrick Garland,

3374
01:12:15.330 --> 01:12:16.560
who benefit under Donald Trump,

3375
01:12:16.810 --> 01:12:17.730
actually have a lot of money.

3376
01:12:17.850 --> 01:12:19.720
They have a lot of influence in the United States government,

3377
01:12:19.810 --> 01:12:21.250
and they don't want it revealed that they had

3378
01:12:21.250 --> 01:12:23.130
a pedophile island where they were kidnapping children.

3379
01:12:23.250 --> 01:12:24.230
So you're in,

3380
01:12:24.290 --> 01:12:28.250
you're saying that Donald Trump has fallen victim to these wealthy people who are

3381
01:12:28.370 --> 01:12:30.170
essentially buying him not to release the files.

3382
01:12:30.210 --> 01:12:30.770
Is that your claim?

3383
01:12:30.850 --> 01:12:33.250
I'm saying every American president in at least the last

3384
01:12:33.250 --> 01:12:35.600
40 years has fallen victim to a group of wealthy

3385
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:37.880
people who donate a lot of money and you're still

3386
01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:39.730
supportive with that and you're still supportive of Donald Trump.

3387
01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:40.400
I'm,

3388
01:12:40.540 --> 01:12:40.660
well,

3389
01:12:40.750 --> 01:12:41.060
first of all,

3390
01:12:41.140 --> 01:12:42.020
do you think Joe Biden wasn't,

3391
01:12:42.100 --> 01:12:42.150
wait,

3392
01:12:42.260 --> 01:12:42.950
can you ask my question?

3393
01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:43.320
Do you think,

3394
01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:44.760
are you supportive of Donald Trump still?

3395
01:12:44.900 --> 01:12:45.020
Yeah,

3396
01:12:45.300 --> 01:12:45.540
because,

3397
01:12:45.750 --> 01:12:45.780
OK,

3398
01:12:45.860 --> 01:12:46.100
so wait,

3399
01:12:46.220 --> 01:12:46.780
both parties,

3400
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.140
you still support both beholden to these you still support Donald Trump,

3401
01:12:49.180 --> 01:12:51.620
but by your own admission he's been bought evils.

3402
01:12:52.180 --> 01:12:52.660
Wait,

3403
01:12:52.740 --> 01:12:52.760
wait,

3404
01:12:52.910 --> 01:12:52.940
wait,

3405
01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:55.420
you're still supportive of Donald Trump despite by your own admission

3406
01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:57.590
he's been bought by wealthy people to not release the files?

3407
01:12:57.700 --> 01:12:57.820
Yes,

3408
01:12:58.060 --> 01:12:59.140
because so has Kamala Harris.

3409
01:12:59.540 --> 01:12:59.780
Yes,

3410
01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:00.490
right.

3411
01:13:00.620 --> 01:13:00.710
I,

3412
01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:02.220
I know you wanna like act incredulous.

3413
01:13:02.340 --> 01:13:03.420
You wanna act like incredulous,

3414
01:13:03.500 --> 01:13:04.780
but you're kind of not listening to what I'm saying.

3415
01:13:04.820 --> 01:13:05.060
It's

3416
01:13:05.180 --> 01:13:05.660
both,

3417
01:13:05.780 --> 01:13:06.610
both parties

3418
01:13:06.740 --> 01:13:08.500
have been bought by wealthy people.

3419
01:13:08.700 --> 01:13:09.430
Do you think that Joe?

3420
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.740
Biden wasn't like under the control of wealthy people.

3421
01:13:11.860 --> 01:13:13.230
I don't think he wasn't advancing oligarchical

3422
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:13.500
interests.

3423
01:13:13.580 --> 01:13:16.300
What wealthy people were giving money to Joe Biden so he wouldn't release the files?

3424
01:13:16.460 --> 01:13:16.540
Well,

3425
01:13:16.660 --> 01:13:16.690
he,

3426
01:13:16.780 --> 01:13:18.900
I don't think he needed money specifically to not release the files.

3427
01:13:19.110 --> 01:13:19.120
OK,

3428
01:13:19.220 --> 01:13:20.220
so Joe Biden falls on,

3429
01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:20.810
falls apart,

3430
01:13:20.820 --> 01:13:22.220
at least on the Epstein file issue.

3431
01:13:22.300 --> 01:13:24.140
And I want to bring up another thing he did about the love of the game.

3432
01:13:24.220 --> 01:13:25.660
He hid the Epstein files for the love of the game.

3433
01:13:25.790 --> 01:13:25.800
Well,

3434
01:13:26.330 --> 01:13:26.340
again,

3435
01:13:26.500 --> 01:13:28.940
Ghilaine Maxwell's case was still working its way through the courts.

3436
01:13:29.020 --> 01:13:30.480
I'm not exactly sure why you're ignoring that.

3437
01:13:30.620 --> 01:13:32.490
What's the legal theory where by which they

3438
01:13:32.500 --> 01:13:34.610
can't release any files because it's DOJ policy?

3439
01:13:34.620 --> 01:13:37.380
It's been DOJ policy throughout who controls the DOJ policy?

3440
01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:38.390
That was Merrick Garland at the time.

3441
01:13:38.490 --> 01:13:38.900
And who appoints.

3442
01:13:39.030 --> 01:13:40.100
Garland with Joe Biden.

3443
01:13:40.180 --> 01:13:40.300
Oh,

3444
01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:40.620
OK,

3445
01:13:40.700 --> 01:13:41.450
so he could change it.

3446
01:13:41.710 --> 01:13:41.850
Uh,

3447
01:13:41.980 --> 01:13:42.100
no,

3448
01:13:42.220 --> 01:13:44.060
Joe Biden can't change DOJ policy because again,

3449
01:13:44.180 --> 01:13:44.540
as I said,

3450
01:13:44.580 --> 01:13:46.460
there was an independence between the DOJ and Joe Biden.

3451
01:13:46.500 --> 01:13:47.250
He wasn't calling up,

3452
01:13:47.500 --> 01:13:49.180
he wasn't calling up the DOJ and saying,

3453
01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:49.420
hey,

3454
01:13:49.540 --> 01:13:50.120
do this for me,

3455
01:13:50.420 --> 01:13:51.740
which is the right thing to do.

3456
01:13:51.870 --> 01:13:51.940
No,

3457
01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:52.620
he shouldn't do that.

3458
01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:53.670
The president of the,

3459
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:54.780
the president of the United States,

3460
01:13:54.860 --> 01:13:55.290
at least

3461
01:13:55.460 --> 01:13:57.730
via the standards that we've had in the United States for decades,

3462
01:13:57.900 --> 01:14:00.700
should not be directing the DOJ to do things that they want them to do.

3463
01:14:00.860 --> 01:14:01.250
Donald Trump,

3464
01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:01.760
on the other hand,

3465
01:14:01.860 --> 01:14:02.700
has been doing that,

3466
01:14:02.900 --> 01:14:04.440
which I think is a failure of this administration.

3467
01:14:04.740 --> 01:14:06.340
Who's the current we're gonna have to pause here.

3468
01:14:06.380 --> 01:14:07.610
You've been voted out by the majority.

3469
01:14:07.900 --> 01:14:08.380
Thank you.

3470
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:14.040
If you'd like to be the next debater,

3471
01:14:14.200 --> 01:14:17.550
please get to the chair in 321.

3472
01:14:19.550 --> 01:14:21.370
So I think one of the biggest things that we're

3473
01:14:21.370 --> 01:14:23.400
missing is the children in this whole entire aspect.

3474
01:14:23.930 --> 01:14:24.460
Um,

3475
01:14:25.050 --> 01:14:27.220
both sides have failed and dropped the ball

3476
01:14:27.330 --> 01:14:27.960
on this.

3477
01:14:28.110 --> 01:14:29.840
The number one issue that not

3478
01:14:30.250 --> 01:14:31.920
one person has

3479
01:14:32.530 --> 01:14:35.680
brought to the attention is the children that Epstein trafficked.

3480
01:14:36.210 --> 01:14:36.370
The,

3481
01:14:36.610 --> 01:14:37.410
the mutilation,

3482
01:14:37.450 --> 01:14:40.010
the brutalization that these children have gone through.

3483
01:14:41.010 --> 01:14:42.740
And Trump's first administration,

3484
01:14:43.330 --> 01:14:44.480
it could have been brought up,

3485
01:14:44.890 --> 01:14:45.770
but under Biden,

3486
01:14:45.930 --> 01:14:46.760
he had

3487
01:14:46.890 --> 01:14:48.080
the authority to,

3488
01:14:48.370 --> 01:14:49.600
to focus on

3489
01:14:49.890 --> 01:14:51.850
exactly where these children are going

3490
01:14:51.970 --> 01:14:53.210
and how these children,

3491
01:14:53.370 --> 01:14:53.610
um,

3492
01:14:53.650 --> 01:14:55.020
where they went and how they're,

3493
01:14:55.330 --> 01:14:56.250
what happened to them,

3494
01:14:56.330 --> 01:14:57.820
and that's what we're not focusing on.

3495
01:14:57.890 --> 01:14:58.680
I don't care

3496
01:14:58.890 --> 01:15:02.890
on my personal opinion is I don't care on the Republican or the Democratic side.

3497
01:15:03.280 --> 01:15:05.070
Something happened and and this

3498
01:15:05.430 --> 01:15:08.750
federal government is not focusing on the main issue,

3499
01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:10.430
and Biden could have

3500
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.890
really stepped up his game because trafficking is is is a nightmare in this country

3501
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.110
and he really could have done something

3502
01:15:17.300 --> 01:15:17.750
to,

3503
01:15:18.900 --> 01:15:20.580
To find out what happened to these kids,

3504
01:15:20.660 --> 01:15:22.220
who was involved with these kids?

3505
01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:22.620
Well,

3506
01:15:22.700 --> 01:15:24.220
Joe Biden prosecuted Ghilaine Maxwell.

3507
01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:26.300
That prosecution took place under his administration,

3508
01:15:26.380 --> 01:15:28.190
and of course there are other trafficking cases,

3509
01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:29.060
but nothing.

3510
01:15:29.180 --> 01:15:30.820
He had the power of the DOJ.

3511
01:15:31.100 --> 01:15:33.310
He could have pushed the DOJ to

3512
01:15:33.570 --> 01:15:34.690
prosecute people,

3513
01:15:34.910 --> 01:15:36.060
brought people to justice,

3514
01:15:36.140 --> 01:15:37.780
and nothing has been ever accomplished.

3515
01:15:37.860 --> 01:15:37.870
Well,

3516
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:37.940
look,

3517
01:15:38.180 --> 01:15:39.650
if you want to make the claim that

3518
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.750
Previous administrations have failed on this issue.

3519
01:15:41.830 --> 01:15:42.990
I'm like happy to entertain that,

3520
01:15:43.070 --> 01:15:44.490
but I think right now we have

3521
01:15:44.750 --> 01:15:45.190
to entertain.

3522
01:15:46.310 --> 01:15:47.400
I'm happy to have the conversation.

3523
01:15:47.510 --> 01:15:47.750
OK.

3524
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:49.060
Or you wish other,

3525
01:15:49.150 --> 01:15:49.630
other people,

3526
01:15:49.870 --> 01:15:50.860
I wish there are so many

3527
01:15:50.870 --> 01:15:52.790
different failures throughout this entire story stretching

3528
01:15:52.790 --> 01:15:54.910
back to the early 2000s that I wish would have been different.

3529
01:15:54.950 --> 01:15:55.510
I wish that

3530
01:15:55.650 --> 01:15:58.510
Donald Trump's former Labor Secretary Alex Acosta wouldn't have given

3531
01:15:58.510 --> 01:16:01.430
Epstein a sweetheart deal that allowed him to reoffend,

3532
01:16:01.690 --> 01:16:02.060
right?

3533
01:16:02.070 --> 01:16:03.410
Going and in Florida,

3534
01:16:03.590 --> 01:16:04.520
kind of dropping the ball there.

3535
01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:05.100
I wish

3536
01:16:05.270 --> 01:16:07.270
that the United States government would have prosecuted this sooner.

3537
01:16:07.650 --> 01:16:09.170
More people would have listened to the victims who

3538
01:16:09.170 --> 01:16:11.170
spoke up years ago before Epstein was arrested.

3539
01:16:11.330 --> 01:16:12.170
There's a lot of failures,

3540
01:16:12.330 --> 01:16:13.800
but I think at this moment in time

3541
01:16:13.930 --> 01:16:15.170
we have to focus on right now.

3542
01:16:15.250 --> 01:16:16.650
There's a law mandating this

3543
01:16:17.090 --> 01:16:17.610
100%.

3544
01:16:17.650 --> 01:16:20.090
There's a law mandating that this administration release the files,

3545
01:16:20.130 --> 01:16:22.930
and since then they've done pretty much anything but that,

3546
01:16:23.010 --> 01:16:23.760
or at least they've

3547
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.410
worked in a way to avoid files about

3548
01:16:26.410 --> 01:16:28.500
Donald Trump from being released or millions that

3549
01:16:28.730 --> 01:16:29.740
still outstanding from being released,

3550
01:16:30.010 --> 01:16:30.710
but there was nothing,

3551
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:31.310
nothing,

3552
01:16:31.450 --> 01:16:34.920
no evidence that he was ever involved with.

3553
01:16:35.670 --> 01:16:36.110
Epstein.

3554
01:16:36.230 --> 01:16:36.350
Well,

3555
01:16:36.390 --> 01:16:36.830
I mean there are,

3556
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:38.590
there are accusations against him in the files.

3557
01:16:38.710 --> 01:16:39.790
Accusations are one thing.

3558
01:16:39.910 --> 01:16:40.150
There's a,

3559
01:16:40.230 --> 01:16:42.500
there's plenty of fathers out there that have gone through

3560
01:16:42.550 --> 01:16:45.300
horrible accusations that have been stripped from their kids.

3561
01:16:45.430 --> 01:16:45.530
Yeah,

3562
01:16:45.670 --> 01:16:46.550
but it's accusations.

3563
01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:49.120
I think it's weird that some of the accusations against Donald Trump

3564
01:16:49.390 --> 01:16:51.590
were not included in the original drop of files,

3565
01:16:51.630 --> 01:16:54.750
and only after reporting and pressure on the DOJ did they eventually come out.

3566
01:16:54.830 --> 01:16:56.100
There was a 13-year-old girl

3567
01:16:56.230 --> 01:16:58.190
who spoke to FBI investigators 4 times,

3568
01:16:58.310 --> 01:16:58.670
and I mean.

3569
01:16:58.950 --> 01:16:59.940
to an Epstein survivor.

3570
01:16:59.950 --> 01:17:00.580
That's and that's great.

3571
01:17:00.620 --> 01:17:00.820
I mean,

3572
01:17:00.940 --> 01:17:02.380
I think everybody should hear from them.

3573
01:17:02.580 --> 01:17:04.660
But of those 4 written interviews that the FBI did

3574
01:17:04.660 --> 01:17:06.220
with that little girl or woman at the time,

3575
01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:08.180
but she was a little girl when she alleged that took place,

3576
01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:09.620
they only released one of them initially.

3577
01:17:09.630 --> 01:17:12.700
The 3 came later and there are still documents missing from her file.

3578
01:17:12.900 --> 01:17:14.580
And this is a girl who is specifically alleging

3579
01:17:14.580 --> 01:17:16.410
that Donald Trump did something illegal to her.

3580
01:17:16.580 --> 01:17:17.860
I think those documents should come out,

3581
01:17:17.900 --> 01:17:19.450
and it's disturbing to me

3582
01:17:19.580 --> 01:17:21.900
that those documents were withheld for quite some time.

3583
01:17:23.570 --> 01:17:23.730
You know,

3584
01:17:24.090 --> 01:17:26.710
this is a touchy subject when it comes to the FC files,

3585
01:17:26.810 --> 01:17:27.510
um.

3586
01:17:29.110 --> 01:17:29.850
I think,

3587
01:17:29.990 --> 01:17:30.470
and I'm gonna get,

3588
01:17:30.550 --> 01:17:30.630
I,

3589
01:17:30.750 --> 01:17:31.990
I think that Biden

3590
01:17:32.220 --> 01:17:33.820
could have done a lot more

3591
01:17:34.110 --> 01:17:36.150
under his under his administration.

3592
01:17:36.170 --> 01:17:36.350
Again,

3593
01:17:36.390 --> 01:17:37.580
that's what I opened up with

3594
01:17:37.710 --> 01:17:39.030
that both sides of this party,

3595
01:17:39.150 --> 01:17:40.030
but both sides are,

3596
01:17:40.110 --> 01:17:40.940
are guilty

3597
01:17:41.110 --> 01:17:41.820
for not,

3598
01:17:41.830 --> 01:17:44.750
don't you think that Donald Trump's is more offensive to the American people?

3599
01:17:44.950 --> 01:17:47.230
I don't think Donald Trump's more offensive to at least his

3600
01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:47.390
cover,

3601
01:17:48.070 --> 01:17:49.910
I think Donald Trump makes America stronger.

3602
01:17:50.030 --> 01:17:50.150
Well,

3603
01:17:50.470 --> 01:17:52.540
we'll talk about that in some other ones for sure.

3604
01:17:52.830 --> 01:17:56.450
Don't you think his cover up is perhaps a little bit more sinister than Joe Biden's?

3605
01:17:56.910 --> 01:17:57.450
Absolutely.

3606
01:17:57.740 --> 01:17:59.550
How is it a cover up because he still hasn't released the files.

3607
01:17:59.590 --> 01:18:01.630
He's giving Ghislaine Maxwell preferential treatment,

3608
01:18:01.810 --> 01:18:04.470
but Donald Trump has an incentive not to release the files.

3609
01:18:04.590 --> 01:18:07.030
Joe Biden and other Democrats up all the files.

3610
01:18:07.310 --> 01:18:07.390
No,

3611
01:18:07.430 --> 01:18:07.570
he,

3612
01:18:07.950 --> 01:18:08.040
no,

3613
01:18:08.100 --> 01:18:08.760
he did not.

3614
01:18:09.110 --> 01:18:09.230
If,

3615
01:18:09.510 --> 01:18:09.630
if,

3616
01:18:09.790 --> 01:18:10.270
if he did,

3617
01:18:10.380 --> 01:18:10.430
what,

3618
01:18:10.830 --> 01:18:11.360
when did he do that?

3619
01:18:11.470 --> 01:18:12.870
When did he order Pam Bonnie to release all

3620
01:18:12.870 --> 01:18:15.160
the files at the beginning of his second administration

3621
01:18:15.290 --> 01:18:15.870
didn't happen.

3622
01:18:16.590 --> 01:18:16.750
Right,

3623
01:18:16.790 --> 01:18:17.190
it didn't happen,

3624
01:18:17.270 --> 01:18:17.860
but he,

3625
01:18:18.310 --> 01:18:19.630
but Pam Bondi could have,

3626
01:18:19.750 --> 01:18:19.930
if,

3627
01:18:20.070 --> 01:18:21.520
if anybody's fight is against anybody,

3628
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:22.770
it's against Pam Bondi

3629
01:18:22.910 --> 01:18:23.590
for not releasing.

3630
01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:23.710
No,

3631
01:18:23.860 --> 01:18:26.110
it's against Donald Trump who was calling up Republicans telling them

3632
01:18:26.110 --> 01:18:27.550
not to vote for the bill to release the files.

3633
01:18:27.590 --> 01:18:28.230
And by the way,

3634
01:18:28.570 --> 01:18:29.030
Donald Trump,

3635
01:18:29.230 --> 01:18:29.760
Todd Blanche,

3636
01:18:29.830 --> 01:18:30.590
more specifically,

3637
01:18:30.670 --> 01:18:32.630
I don't think there's an independence between the DOJ and Trump now,

3638
01:18:32.710 --> 01:18:32.980
but

3639
01:18:33.750 --> 01:18:34.510
for the sake of argument,

3640
01:18:34.670 --> 01:18:37.390
Todd Blanche could release all of the files right now as we're speaking,

3641
01:18:37.470 --> 01:18:38.350
as we're filming this episode,

3642
01:18:38.430 --> 01:18:39.340
he could release all of them,

3643
01:18:39.470 --> 01:18:40.220
and they're not doing it.

3644
01:18:40.460 --> 01:18:42.280
And also I think another thing I want to bring up,

3645
01:18:42.490 --> 01:18:44.570
why is Ghislaine Maxwell getting preferential treatment?

3646
01:18:44.650 --> 01:18:47.760
Why was she moved from a maximum security prison to a low level

3647
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.770
security prison in Texas after Todd Blanche met with her for 7 hours?

3648
01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:51.120
Again,

3649
01:18:51.490 --> 01:18:52.320
we're gonna pause here.

3650
01:18:52.380 --> 01:18:53.620
You've been voted out by the majority.

3651
01:18:53.810 --> 01:18:54.200
Thank you.

3652
01:18:55.130 --> 01:18:55.230
Thanks,

3653
01:18:55.250 --> 01:18:55.370
man.

3654
01:18:55.410 --> 01:18:55.870
We'll talk soon.

3655
01:19:01.110 --> 01:19:01.230
Alright,

3656
01:19:01.270 --> 01:19:02.710
if you'd like to be the next debater,

3657
01:19:02.870 --> 01:19:06.170
please get to the chair in 321.

3658
01:19:08.690 --> 01:19:09.130
Nice to meet you,

3659
01:19:09.170 --> 01:19:09.410
man.

3660
01:19:09.460 --> 01:19:10.440
Good to meet you in person.

3661
01:19:10.690 --> 01:19:10.980
Likewise.

3662
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:12.920
All right,

3663
01:19:13.040 --> 01:19:13.760
so

3664
01:19:13.910 --> 01:19:14.430
one,

3665
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.310
when you claim that something's a cover up,

3666
01:19:16.400 --> 01:19:17.710
you're also claiming that

3667
01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:19.810
there's a crime that you're actually covering up.

3668
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:23.650
So what evidence do you have that there's actual crimes that are being covered up?

3669
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:23.920
Yeah,

3670
01:19:24.050 --> 01:19:25.990
so the Epstein Files Transparency Act requires

3671
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:27.860
the release of all files applicable,

3672
01:19:28.120 --> 01:19:28.190
uh,

3673
01:19:28.280 --> 01:19:29.050
and they haven't been released.

3674
01:19:29.860 --> 01:19:29.980
Well,

3675
01:19:30.020 --> 01:19:30.140
that,

3676
01:19:30.150 --> 01:19:30.580
that is,

3677
01:19:30.700 --> 01:19:31.260
that's an example.

3678
01:19:31.420 --> 01:19:31.430
No,

3679
01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:31.550
no,

3680
01:19:31.580 --> 01:19:31.660
no,

3681
01:19:31.750 --> 01:19:34.470
so that would have been a different claim had you said was your,

3682
01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:38.460
if your claim was Trump should release all of the Epstein files,

3683
01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:40.080
then we would be debating that.

3684
01:19:40.100 --> 01:19:43.620
But your claim was that this is the worst cover up in American history,

3685
01:19:43.980 --> 01:19:46.390
one of the worst in American history.

3686
01:19:46.850 --> 01:19:49.020
So what evidence do you have that Donald Trump

3687
01:19:49.020 --> 01:19:51.410
committed these crimes and is now covering it up?

3688
01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:53.250
What committing crimes in what being committed,

3689
01:19:53.490 --> 01:19:54.410
committed those crimes,

3690
01:19:54.490 --> 01:19:56.090
committing crimes in connection with Epstein,

3691
01:19:56.290 --> 01:19:56.400
or,

3692
01:19:56.540 --> 01:19:57.170
00 no,

3693
01:19:57.210 --> 01:19:58.300
they're all just allegations.

3694
01:19:58.410 --> 01:20:00.410
So there's never been a criminal accusation.

3695
01:20:01.330 --> 01:20:01.410
Well,

3696
01:20:01.480 --> 01:20:01.530
no,

3697
01:20:01.610 --> 01:20:01.770
I don't,

3698
01:20:01.810 --> 01:20:02.440
I don't think that,

3699
01:20:02.450 --> 01:20:02.670
um,

3700
01:20:02.890 --> 01:20:05.180
just because Donald Trump hasn't been formally accused of a crime by

3701
01:20:05.180 --> 01:20:07.810
law enforcement doesn't mean that he's not covering up the files because

3702
01:20:07.930 --> 01:20:08.730
Donald Trump obviously,

3703
01:20:08.770 --> 01:20:10.360
as I was just saying to the gentleman before,

3704
01:20:10.570 --> 01:20:12.250
has an incentive to not release these files.

3705
01:20:12.330 --> 01:20:13.210
He's named a lot in them.

3706
01:20:13.220 --> 01:20:14.930
There are some embarrassing accusations against them.

3707
01:20:15.190 --> 01:20:16.320
FBI even interviewed a victim,

3708
01:20:16.340 --> 01:20:17.970
and you don't get an interview if your

3709
01:20:18.100 --> 01:20:19.820
claims aren't at least of interest to the

3710
01:20:19.820 --> 01:20:21.500
FBI and there might be some credibility here.

3711
01:20:21.660 --> 01:20:22.930
But the law that he's breaking,

3712
01:20:23.060 --> 01:20:26.330
the law that he's breaking the Epstein Files Transparency Act is still active,

3713
01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:29.190
and he's breaking it so much and has been breaking it so often

3714
01:20:29.420 --> 01:20:30.260
that members of Congress,

3715
01:20:30.340 --> 01:20:30.890
Thomas Massey,

3716
01:20:30.900 --> 01:20:31.310
Roe Connor,

3717
01:20:31.380 --> 01:20:33.810
are working on an Epstein Files Transparency Act too

3718
01:20:34.030 --> 01:20:35.580
to allow more enforcement of the law.

3719
01:20:35.660 --> 01:20:35.760
OK,

3720
01:20:35.860 --> 01:20:38.100
so basically what I got is that you actually don't have

3721
01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:40.780
any evidence that Donald Trump committed any of these crimes.

3722
01:20:40.860 --> 01:20:41.810
You have allegations.

3723
01:20:41.950 --> 01:20:43.420
I never alleged that Donald Trump anonymous.

3724
01:20:43.950 --> 01:20:45.920
that were never followed up on.

3725
01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:46.390
Well,

3726
01:20:46.470 --> 01:20:47.230
they did follow up on,

3727
01:20:47.470 --> 01:20:48.110
but Harry,

3728
01:20:48.230 --> 01:20:48.550
but Harry,

3729
01:20:48.610 --> 01:20:50.030
when you say there's a cover up,

3730
01:20:50.070 --> 01:20:51.860
when you're saying you're covering this up,

3731
01:20:52.180 --> 01:20:55.870
you are implicitly affirming that there is a crime that has been committed.

3732
01:20:55.950 --> 01:20:56.070
Wait,

3733
01:20:56.110 --> 01:20:56.190
wait,

3734
01:20:56.250 --> 01:20:56.480
let's just,

3735
01:20:56.590 --> 01:20:57.590
that is like the definition.

3736
01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:58.910
Let's just put this on a hypothetical.

3737
01:20:58.990 --> 01:21:00.620
If person A commits a crime

3738
01:21:00.750 --> 01:21:02.940
and then person B is covering up that crime,

3739
01:21:03.110 --> 01:21:05.940
the person B is not necessarily guilty of the crime that person A committed

3740
01:21:06.150 --> 01:21:07.010
Trump is covering

3741
01:21:07.270 --> 01:21:08.350
up for other people.

3742
01:21:08.550 --> 01:21:08.670
Yeah,

3743
01:21:08.750 --> 01:21:10.260
he's covering up the Epstein files.

3744
01:21:10.470 --> 01:21:10.660
Uh,

3745
01:21:10.790 --> 01:21:11.830
I think Jeffrey Epstein.

3746
01:21:12.320 --> 01:21:13.670
He's covering up for himself as well,

3747
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:14.240
Donald Trump,

3748
01:21:14.290 --> 01:21:14.440
yeah,

3749
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:14.920
really,

3750
01:21:15.120 --> 01:21:15.960
because Donald Trump,

3751
01:21:16.040 --> 01:21:17.760
when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested,

3752
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.630
told the FBI that he's glad he's getting going after them.

3753
01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:21.210
Uh,

3754
01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:24.640
the Trump administration is the one that indicted

3755
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:25.600
Epstein.

3756
01:21:25.990 --> 01:21:26.000
Um,

3757
01:21:26.240 --> 01:21:27.830
Trump is the one that signed

3758
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.680
the Epstein Transparency Act to begin with because he was forced to,

3759
01:21:32.040 --> 01:21:32.520
to begin,

3760
01:21:32.550 --> 01:21:34.130
every member of Congress voted in favor of it.

3761
01:21:34.160 --> 01:21:34.510
And by the way,

3762
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:35.240
I find it curious,

3763
01:21:35.320 --> 01:21:35.450
OK,

3764
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:36.560
you said he's forced to,

3765
01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:38.080
but he has the power to veto.

3766
01:21:38.280 --> 01:21:39.960
You said if he's truly trying to cover this up,

3767
01:21:40.160 --> 01:21:40.320
none of.

3768
01:21:40.540 --> 01:21:42.890
This stuff aligns with him actually trying to cover it.

3769
01:21:43.090 --> 01:21:46.130
You said in 2007 Donald Trump was happy about Epstein getting arrested.

3770
01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:46.650
Is that right?

3771
01:21:46.810 --> 01:21:47.370
That's yes.

3772
01:21:47.490 --> 01:21:47.650
OK,

3773
01:21:47.810 --> 01:21:48.690
so in 2003,

3774
01:21:48.810 --> 01:21:50.530
Donald Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar a

3775
01:21:50.530 --> 01:21:54.090
Lago because Epstein allegedly assaulted an 18-year-old beautician.

3776
01:21:54.250 --> 01:21:56.930
Now it was already known around Mar a Lago that Epstein was creepy.

3777
01:21:56.970 --> 01:21:58.920
Marla Maples had even warned Donald Trump himself,

3778
01:21:59.050 --> 01:22:00.170
but that means that Donald Trump,

3779
01:22:00.400 --> 01:22:02.250
knowing of an assault in 2003,

3780
01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:05.530
waited 4 years before speaking up for that victim.

3781
01:22:05.650 --> 01:22:07.090
Isn't that appalling?

3782
01:22:07.170 --> 01:22:07.410
OK,

3783
01:22:07.530 --> 01:22:08.600
but that

3784
01:22:09.050 --> 01:22:09.550
Trump.

3785
01:22:09.790 --> 01:22:10.630
Trump with that case,

3786
01:22:10.710 --> 01:22:11.950
there's a ton of stuff.

3787
01:22:12.070 --> 01:22:12.270
I mean,

3788
01:22:12.430 --> 01:22:14.270
if you're just throwing out random accusations,

3789
01:22:14.350 --> 01:22:15.420
how do you know Trump had

3790
01:22:15.670 --> 01:22:18.590
plenty of evidence to even bring something forth like that?

3791
01:22:18.670 --> 01:22:19.940
Somebody at Mar a Lago

3792
01:22:20.150 --> 01:22:20.660
came to him,

3793
01:22:20.890 --> 01:22:23.740
said that this 18-year-old accused Epstein of assault.

3794
01:22:23.900 --> 01:22:24.790
What do you want to do about it?

3795
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:25.370
Donald Trump,

3796
01:22:25.510 --> 01:22:27.710
after having Epstein assault a bunch of people at Mar a Lago,

3797
01:22:27.790 --> 01:22:27.980
said,

3798
01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:29.830
Let's kick him out now in 2003.

3799
01:22:29.910 --> 01:22:30.700
And even after this,

3800
01:22:30.710 --> 01:22:31.830
they were still kind of in correspondence.

3801
01:22:32.110 --> 01:22:34.300
But why did Donald Trump not report it to police?

3802
01:22:34.410 --> 01:22:34.700
Why?

3803
01:22:34.710 --> 01:22:34.860
I,

3804
01:22:35.270 --> 01:22:35.990
I'm not sure.

3805
01:22:36.030 --> 01:22:37.050
And there could be

3806
01:22:37.190 --> 01:22:38.700
numerous reasons why.

3807
01:22:38.900 --> 01:22:41.560
Be numerous reasons what could possibly be a justification.

3808
01:22:42.050 --> 01:22:42.800
The lack of evidence,

3809
01:22:43.010 --> 01:22:44.890
an accusation from somebody who works for him.

3810
01:22:44.930 --> 01:22:46.730
He wouldn't think maybe I should go to police about this.

3811
01:22:46.770 --> 01:22:46.850
I,

3812
01:22:46.930 --> 01:22:47.490
I'm not sure.

3813
01:22:47.610 --> 01:22:47.850
Listen,

3814
01:22:47.930 --> 01:22:49.260
I'm not sure that the accusation,

3815
01:22:49.290 --> 01:22:50.310
I don't think it's I'm not saying,

3816
01:22:50.450 --> 01:22:52.500
I'm not saying Donald Trump is perfect,

3817
01:22:52.650 --> 01:22:54.170
but what you are alleging,

3818
01:22:54.210 --> 01:22:55.370
your claim

3819
01:22:55.650 --> 01:22:58.860
is that this is one of the worst cover-ups in US history.

3820
01:22:59.250 --> 01:23:00.050
So one,

3821
01:23:00.130 --> 01:23:02.610
you have not proven that there's any cover up of

3822
01:23:02.610 --> 01:23:04.440
a of why are we going back in circles here?

3823
01:23:04.490 --> 01:23:05.880
I already explained because you're not

3824
01:23:06.010 --> 01:23:06.240
explaining.

3825
01:23:06.250 --> 01:23:07.890
I can give you the hypothetical if person.

3826
01:23:08.080 --> 01:23:08.550
Commits a crime.

3827
01:23:09.510 --> 01:23:11.790
Donald Trump is covering up for Epstein himself.

3828
01:23:12.410 --> 01:23:13.510
What are you talking about?

3829
01:23:13.630 --> 01:23:13.750
Well,

3830
01:23:14.350 --> 01:23:14.540
he,

3831
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:15.250
he was indicted.

3832
01:23:15.310 --> 01:23:17.470
Epstein was indicted under Trump's.

3833
01:23:17.510 --> 01:23:18.550
Why wouldn't he release these files?

3834
01:23:18.590 --> 01:23:18.950
And hold on,

3835
01:23:18.990 --> 01:23:19.230
by the way,

3836
01:23:19.310 --> 01:23:21.000
he was covering up for just because

3837
01:23:21.130 --> 01:23:21.150
Donald

3838
01:23:21.260 --> 01:23:21.820
Trump indicted,

3839
01:23:21.830 --> 01:23:23.150
just because Donald Trump's DOJ,

3840
01:23:23.350 --> 01:23:26.790
just because Donald Trump's DOJ indicted Epstein back in 2019 doesn't

3841
01:23:26.790 --> 01:23:28.870
mean that Donald Trump hasn't done bad things with Epstein.

3842
01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:29.230
Again,

3843
01:23:29.350 --> 01:23:32.130
he waited four years to speak about assault allegations.

3844
01:23:32.190 --> 01:23:34.830
You are alleging that Donald Trump did bad things with.

3845
01:23:34.910 --> 01:23:37.150
When did I say that Donald Trump did something illegal with Epstein?

3846
01:23:37.510 --> 01:23:38.190
I think he did.

3847
01:23:38.280 --> 01:23:39.120
I think he did bad things.

3848
01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:40.440
That doesn't necessarily mean illegal.

3849
01:23:40.570 --> 01:23:40.800
OK,

3850
01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:43.470
so he hasn't handled Epstein properly,

3851
01:23:43.570 --> 01:23:43.920
perfectly,

3852
01:23:44.320 --> 01:23:46.360
and I agree he hasn't handled it perfectly.

3853
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:48.780
That's totally different from covering it up.

3854
01:23:49.040 --> 01:23:49.960
With covering it up,

3855
01:23:50.040 --> 01:23:54.620
your intention would have to be that you're trying to hide a crime

3856
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:56.120
for the benefit of the other person.

3857
01:23:56.270 --> 01:23:59.210
Do you think that Donald Trump is unintentionally not releasing the files?

3858
01:23:59.890 --> 01:24:00.010
No,

3859
01:24:00.290 --> 01:24:00.450
OK,

3860
01:24:00.530 --> 01:24:02.520
when it comes to not releasing the files,

3861
01:24:02.610 --> 01:24:04.770
that doesn't necessarily prove that he's covering up.

3862
01:24:04.810 --> 01:24:05.930
There's a lot of different things,

3863
01:24:06.050 --> 01:24:07.120
as you explained

3864
01:24:07.250 --> 01:24:09.060
why Biden didn't release the files.

3865
01:24:09.210 --> 01:24:12.010
There's a lot of different reasons why you can't release the files,

3866
01:24:12.410 --> 01:24:14.130
like protection of victims.

3867
01:24:14.210 --> 01:24:16.690
They can have their names redacted and even when the files were released,

3868
01:24:16.810 --> 01:24:18.820
a lot of the names that a lot of these files,

3869
01:24:19.090 --> 01:24:19.730
a lot of these files.

3870
01:24:19.860 --> 01:24:20.610
Files are paper.

3871
01:24:20.900 --> 01:24:21.190
Do you

3872
01:24:21.380 --> 01:24:23.870
like our government is so behind technologically.

3873
01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:27.220
There's a lot of paper files that they were required to release these files

3874
01:24:27.700 --> 01:24:28.140
in the winter.

3875
01:24:28.220 --> 01:24:29.010
But then additionally,

3876
01:24:29.420 --> 01:24:32.380
he's released 3.5 million files,

3877
01:24:32.460 --> 01:24:33.910
and there's 3 million outstanding,

3878
01:24:34.020 --> 01:24:34.970
as you said,

3879
01:24:35.140 --> 01:24:37.530
had negative things in Trump

3880
01:24:37.700 --> 01:24:39.050
in the files themselves,

3881
01:24:39.060 --> 01:24:39.330
and

3882
01:24:39.500 --> 01:24:39.810
this.

3883
01:24:39.940 --> 01:24:41.260
If this is a cover-up,

3884
01:24:41.450 --> 01:24:43.420
this is the worst cover up

3885
01:24:43.530 --> 01:24:44.250
in American history.

3886
01:24:44.460 --> 01:24:47.610
So not releasing 50% of the files is the worst cover up ever.

3887
01:24:47.650 --> 01:24:48.290
Did Donald Trump,

3888
01:24:48.330 --> 01:24:50.130
if Donald Trump is covering it up for Epstein,

3889
01:24:50.250 --> 01:24:52.010
he's completely botched the cover-up.

3890
01:24:52.320 --> 01:24:54.650
Like it wouldn't surprise me because Trump botches everything,

3891
01:24:54.730 --> 01:24:56.730
but he still hasn't released 3 million files.

3892
01:24:56.860 --> 01:24:57.490
Why not?

3893
01:24:57.530 --> 01:24:58.700
The law requires him to do so.

3894
01:24:58.730 --> 01:24:59.120
Why not?

3895
01:24:59.130 --> 01:24:59.770
What's the answer?

3896
01:25:00.250 --> 01:25:01.540
Because there are victims,

3897
01:25:01.650 --> 01:25:02.850
you have to protect victims.

3898
01:25:03.410 --> 01:25:05.050
Victims are saying they want the files out.

3899
01:25:05.700 --> 01:25:06.460
It doesn't matter.

3900
01:25:06.580 --> 01:25:07.240
There are laws.

3901
01:25:07.250 --> 01:25:08.540
It doesn't matter what victims want.

3902
01:25:08.820 --> 01:25:09.940
Trump has to follow the law,

3903
01:25:10.090 --> 01:25:10.250
right?

3904
01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:12.790
The law requires him to release the files,

3905
01:25:12.940 --> 01:25:14.550
but there are laws that,

3906
01:25:14.660 --> 01:25:18.410
that like what list requirements on what you have to do with these,

3907
01:25:18.420 --> 01:25:20.740
and the Epstein Files Transparency Act includes all those

3908
01:25:20.900 --> 01:25:21.210
requirements.

3909
01:25:21.220 --> 01:25:21.700
You said earlier,

3910
01:25:22.140 --> 01:25:23.590
Congress is trying to pass something else,

3911
01:25:23.780 --> 01:25:24.050
right?

3912
01:25:24.420 --> 01:25:24.770
So why,

3913
01:25:24.860 --> 01:25:25.940
why are they trying to do that?

3914
01:25:26.370 --> 01:25:26.490
Uh,

3915
01:25:26.650 --> 01:25:28.570
because in the first Epstein Files Transparency Act,

3916
01:25:28.610 --> 01:25:29.810
the enforcement mechanism,

3917
01:25:30.090 --> 01:25:31.820
as in getting Donald Trump to release the files,

3918
01:25:31.930 --> 01:25:33.100
is kind of like a gray area.

3919
01:25:33.170 --> 01:25:34.680
So right now there's actually a court case

3920
01:25:34.690 --> 01:25:36.490
working its way through courts where Katie Fang,

3921
01:25:36.570 --> 01:25:36.870
a

3922
01:25:37.120 --> 01:25:37.240
Uh,

3923
01:25:37.400 --> 01:25:37.800
attorney,

3924
01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:38.600
political commentator,

3925
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:39.430
newscaster

3926
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.120
is behind that case saying,

3927
01:25:41.200 --> 01:25:41.330
hey,

3928
01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:42.190
we want all the files out,

3929
01:25:42.200 --> 01:25:43.170
and this is the way to enforce it.

3930
01:25:43.200 --> 01:25:45.030
A judge is saying people need to know what's going on.

3931
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.590
Congress wants to pass another version where it says that anybody can sue,

3932
01:25:48.910 --> 01:25:49.070
um,

3933
01:25:49.240 --> 01:25:50.160
for the files to be released.

3934
01:25:50.170 --> 01:25:50.480
And again,

3935
01:25:50.730 --> 01:25:51.520
victims want this.

3936
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:51.840
So,

3937
01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:52.280
OK,

3938
01:25:52.410 --> 01:25:52.760
so wait,

3939
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:54.840
so I think we should listen to the court system.

3940
01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:56.280
People are reporting on it.

3941
01:25:56.320 --> 01:25:57.910
It's out in broad daylight.

3942
01:25:58.200 --> 01:26:00.880
Doesn't really sound like a cover up to Donald Trump can't sounds.

3943
01:26:01.070 --> 01:26:02.410
Like it's going through the process.

3944
01:26:02.790 --> 01:26:05.520
Donald Trump can't control what journalists file in court or

3945
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:07.400
what media outlets report what for the most part.

3946
01:26:07.510 --> 01:26:07.590
No,

3947
01:26:07.670 --> 01:26:08.190
what are you talking?

3948
01:26:08.230 --> 01:26:08.470
OK,

3949
01:26:08.790 --> 01:26:10.790
have you actually studied any American cover

3950
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:11.080
up?

3951
01:26:11.270 --> 01:26:11.790
You're saying,

3952
01:26:12.030 --> 01:26:13.200
have you actually studied Watergate?

3953
01:26:13.230 --> 01:26:14.580
You're saying that Donald Trump,

3954
01:26:14.750 --> 01:26:14.820
uh,

3955
01:26:14.990 --> 01:26:15.190
by the,

3956
01:26:15.310 --> 01:26:18.150
by the nature of media outlets reporting on the Epstein Files' existence,

3957
01:26:18.230 --> 01:26:19.270
that means that there's not a cover-up.

3958
01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:21.590
If Donald Trump it's going through the courts.

3959
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:21.910
I mean

3960
01:26:22.070 --> 01:26:22.990
people are aware of it,

3961
01:26:23.030 --> 01:26:24.910
the fact that we're debating it right now.

3962
01:26:25.260 --> 01:26:28.130
Almost goes to show that it's not in fact a cover up.

3963
01:26:28.420 --> 01:26:30.260
Why haven't 3 million files been released?

3964
01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:32.070
Why haven't 3 million files been released

3965
01:26:32.450 --> 01:26:33.380
as required by law?

3966
01:26:33.540 --> 01:26:33.600
No,

3967
01:26:33.660 --> 01:26:34.120
you haven't.

3968
01:26:34.420 --> 01:26:34.700
You haven't.

3969
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:36.140
You said that there might be some laws that

3970
01:26:36.140 --> 01:26:37.710
apply to these documents that would restrict them,

3971
01:26:37.740 --> 01:26:40.610
but that's not a coherent answer because the administration is not saying that.

3972
01:26:41.060 --> 01:26:41.880
What's the administration's?

3973
01:26:41.900 --> 01:26:42.740
What is the administration's?

3974
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:43.870
They don't have you know more about it.

3975
01:26:43.980 --> 01:26:44.340
They don't have one.

3976
01:26:44.380 --> 01:26:45.040
We're gonna pause here.

3977
01:26:45.100 --> 01:26:45.780
You've been voted out.

3978
01:26:46.290 --> 01:26:46.370
Thank you.

3979
01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:46.630
You didn't

3980
01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:47.180
answer my question.

3981
01:26:47.230 --> 01:26:47.820
You didn't give any.

3982
01:26:47.830 --> 01:26:48.380
We'll talk more.

3983
01:26:48.490 --> 01:26:48.780
We'll talk.

3984
01:26:50.550 --> 01:26:52.030
If you would like to be the next debater,

3985
01:26:52.230 --> 01:26:55.680
please get to the chair in 321.

3986
01:26:57.350 --> 01:26:57.520
Yeah

3987
01:26:59.780 --> 01:27:00.460
And nice suit.

3988
01:27:01.420 --> 01:27:01.500
Yeah,

3989
01:27:01.550 --> 01:27:02.010
absolutely.

3990
01:27:04.100 --> 01:27:04.620
All right.

3991
01:27:05.100 --> 01:27:05.620
So,

3992
01:27:05.940 --> 01:27:08.220
the Epstein files being a scandal and a cover-up,

3993
01:27:08.230 --> 01:27:10.650
I would like to stick to the premise of the argument.

3994
01:27:11.060 --> 01:27:11.380
Um,

3995
01:27:11.660 --> 01:27:12.330
Watergate

3996
01:27:12.540 --> 01:27:13.210
was

3997
01:27:13.420 --> 01:27:14.340
ruled a scandal,

3998
01:27:14.620 --> 01:27:15.620
Iran-Contra,

3999
01:27:15.740 --> 01:27:16.260
a scandal,

4000
01:27:16.310 --> 01:27:17.310
COINTELPRO

4001
01:27:17.790 --> 01:27:19.130
is a scandal.

4002
01:27:19.380 --> 01:27:19.880
Um,

4003
01:27:20.180 --> 01:27:22.430
the Epstein files at this point is not a scandal,

4004
01:27:22.740 --> 01:27:23.580
and there is no cover-up.

4005
01:27:23.660 --> 01:27:25.980
I think at best it would be incompetence.

4006
01:27:26.220 --> 01:27:26.420
Uh,

4007
01:27:26.780 --> 01:27:28.650
and it'll be a failure on Donald Trump's part

4008
01:27:28.780 --> 01:27:29.450
on his,

4009
01:27:29.540 --> 01:27:30.010
um,

4010
01:27:30.510 --> 01:27:30.990
campaign promise.

4011
01:27:31.060 --> 01:27:32.630
We're going to release the Epstein files.

4012
01:27:33.110 --> 01:27:34.550
And everybody's going to see what's going on.

4013
01:27:34.630 --> 01:27:36.670
Pam Bondi even testified before Congress

4014
01:27:36.910 --> 01:27:38.400
that there is a list of elites,

4015
01:27:38.510 --> 01:27:40.230
and if the elites are exposed,

4016
01:27:40.240 --> 01:27:41.370
it would destroy the whole system.

4017
01:27:41.470 --> 01:27:41.940
I think.

4018
01:27:42.610 --> 01:27:42.770
And,

4019
01:27:42.850 --> 01:27:43.130
and hold,

4020
01:27:43.250 --> 01:27:44.050
that's what everybody wants.

4021
01:27:44.130 --> 01:27:44.370
So wait,

4022
01:27:44.410 --> 01:27:44.610
you're,

4023
01:27:44.650 --> 01:27:48.320
you're actively and publicly claiming that you believe there's a list of elites

4024
01:27:48.450 --> 01:27:49.800
who did bad things with Epstein,

4025
01:27:49.970 --> 01:27:51.010
assaulted kids with Epstein,

4026
01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:52.690
and Donald Trump is covering up that list.

4027
01:27:52.770 --> 01:27:53.640
He's not releasing it?

4028
01:27:53.850 --> 01:27:54.210
No,

4029
01:27:54.370 --> 01:27:56.550
what I said was Pam Bondi testified.

4030
01:27:56.970 --> 01:27:59.420
So Pam is Pam Bondi a liar or is she telling the truth?

4031
01:27:59.650 --> 01:28:02.480
I believe it's incompetence at best because she walked that claim back.

4032
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:04.080
It wouldn't necessarily be a scandal.

4033
01:28:04.090 --> 01:28:06.270
It would be incompetence on the Trump administration on the,

4034
01:28:06.490 --> 01:28:07.130
and we only have 14,

4035
01:28:07.210 --> 01:28:08.720
but on the incompetence point,

4036
01:28:08.890 --> 01:28:09.060
I mean,

4037
01:28:09.130 --> 01:28:10.030
is Donald Trump

4038
01:28:10.250 --> 01:28:12.120
accidentally not releasing the files?

4039
01:28:12.370 --> 01:28:13.040
I couldn't tell you that,

4040
01:28:13.050 --> 01:28:15.730
but what I can tell you is at this point in history it's not a scandal.

4041
01:28:15.810 --> 01:28:17.090
There's no good answer for any of this stuff.

4042
01:28:17.220 --> 01:28:19.210
People around us just have to accept that it's a bad part,

4043
01:28:19.330 --> 01:28:20.330
a bad move on Donald Trump,

4044
01:28:20.340 --> 01:28:20.770
and he's,

4045
01:28:20.850 --> 01:28:21.010
it's,

4046
01:28:21.160 --> 01:28:22.450
it's a failure in his campaign promise.

4047
01:28:22.570 --> 01:28:22.730
But,

4048
01:28:22.930 --> 01:28:23.290
but to,

4049
01:28:23.450 --> 01:28:23.530
to,

4050
01:28:23.650 --> 01:28:24.850
to not negate from the premise of the.

4051
01:28:25.040 --> 01:28:26.760
Argument that is a scandal and it's being covered up

4052
01:28:26.900 --> 01:28:27.820
at this point in time.

4053
01:28:28.060 --> 01:28:28.660
I think the argument,

4054
01:28:28.740 --> 01:28:30.590
I think if 3 million files,

4055
01:28:30.740 --> 01:28:32.970
around 50% of the files that the DOJ has,

4056
01:28:32.980 --> 01:28:34.690
have not been released by Donald Trump,

4057
01:28:34.900 --> 01:28:35.710
what else do you call it?

4058
01:28:35.820 --> 01:28:36.060
How do you,

4059
01:28:36.180 --> 01:28:36.740
how can you just say,

4060
01:28:36.870 --> 01:28:36.900
oh,

4061
01:28:36.980 --> 01:28:37.620
it's incompetence?

4062
01:28:37.660 --> 01:28:38.460
The victims want it.

4063
01:28:38.580 --> 01:28:38.980
Everybody

4064
01:28:39.100 --> 01:28:40.460
involved in the Epstein case wants it,

4065
01:28:40.540 --> 01:28:42.220
but Donald Trump is the guy that's kind of holding it up.

4066
01:28:42.340 --> 01:28:43.510
Todd Blanche is kind of holding it up.

4067
01:28:43.540 --> 01:28:45.820
How can you just say that's incompetence as opposed

4068
01:28:45.820 --> 01:28:48.140
to a deliberate effort not to release these files?

4069
01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:48.980
I understand the question,

4070
01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:49.500
and I,

4071
01:28:49.580 --> 01:28:50.620
and I appreciate that question.

4072
01:28:50.660 --> 01:28:52.730
The reason why it's incompetence is because

4073
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:54.450
They made a claim,

4074
01:28:54.690 --> 01:28:56.130
they walked back that claim.

4075
01:28:56.410 --> 01:28:57.220
But at that point in time,

4076
01:28:57.250 --> 01:28:57.970
it is not a scandal.

4077
01:28:58.010 --> 01:28:59.030
It can never be a scandal

4078
01:28:59.210 --> 01:29:00.450
until the claim is proven false.

4079
01:29:00.810 --> 01:29:00.930
So,

4080
01:29:01.050 --> 01:29:02.870
so until we get another administration and they

4081
01:29:02.870 --> 01:29:04.870
absolutely release the rest of the files,

4082
01:29:05.010 --> 01:29:06.930
and then it comes out that the Trump administration

4083
01:29:07.130 --> 01:29:08.560
absolutely lied and it's proven,

4084
01:29:08.700 --> 01:29:12.280
Pam Bondi absolutely lied and it's proven without having to walk back claims,

4085
01:29:12.650 --> 01:29:12.930
then we,

4086
01:29:12.940 --> 01:29:13.250
we can't,

4087
01:29:13.290 --> 01:29:14.130
we can't call it a scandal.

4088
01:29:14.170 --> 01:29:18.140
We can't say don't you think that a president actively breaking the law is a scandal?

4089
01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:19.690
I'm not here to debate that.

4090
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.370
What what we're talking about is the claim that the Epstein files

4091
01:29:23.370 --> 01:29:25.640
is a scandal and the Epstein files is being covered up.

4092
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.680
You won't be able to find out during this administration.

4093
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:28.080
Alright,

4094
01:29:28.120 --> 01:29:29.110
we're gonna pause here.

4095
01:29:29.230 --> 01:29:30.470
We're out of time on this claim.

4096
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:31.200
Thank you so much.

4097
01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:32.850
Thanks man.

4098
01:29:36.910 --> 01:29:37.360
All right,

4099
01:29:37.500 --> 01:29:40.460
now it is time for the final debate.

4100
01:29:41.850 --> 01:29:44.280
Here you get 10 minutes uninterrupted.

4101
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:45.320
Now take your time,

4102
01:29:45.440 --> 01:29:46.410
look around the room

4103
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:48.930
and choose someone you like to further the conversation with.

4104
01:29:49.990 --> 01:29:50.390
Do my best.

4105
01:29:55.610 --> 01:29:56.000
Reagan

4106
01:29:57.440 --> 01:29:58.130
Reagan Bush

4107
01:30:00.310 --> 01:30:01.110
Keep it respectful.

4108
01:30:01.230 --> 01:30:01.660
Of course,

4109
01:30:01.940 --> 01:30:02.220
always.

4110
01:30:02.550 --> 01:30:03.070
So Harry,

4111
01:30:03.150 --> 01:30:04.270
why did you choose Michael?

4112
01:30:04.670 --> 01:30:06.300
I thought Michael and I had a good conversation.

4113
01:30:06.390 --> 01:30:07.700
It got cut a little short,

4114
01:30:07.790 --> 01:30:07.960
um,

4115
01:30:07.990 --> 01:30:08.580
and so

4116
01:30:08.820 --> 01:30:09.860
I wanted to hear more from him.

4117
01:30:10.190 --> 01:30:10.510
All right,

4118
01:30:10.590 --> 01:30:12.570
we get 10 minutes uninterrupted.

4119
01:30:13.030 --> 01:30:17.430
My surrounded claim is that the modern Democratic Party is more interested in

4120
01:30:17.430 --> 01:30:20.900
fighting President Trump than coming up with solutions for the American people.

4121
01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:23.650
OK,

4122
01:30:23.860 --> 01:30:24.140
um,

4123
01:30:24.310 --> 01:30:26.050
so I guess I just wanna know why,

4124
01:30:26.060 --> 01:30:26.820
why do you think that?

4125
01:30:27.040 --> 01:30:29.540
So when we look at polling consistently and we look

4126
01:30:29.540 --> 01:30:32.530
consistently what comes up as a top issue amongst Democrats and

4127
01:30:32.650 --> 01:30:34.700
uh just internal polling amongst candidates,

4128
01:30:34.940 --> 01:30:35.020
uh,

4129
01:30:35.250 --> 01:30:39.180
across the spectrum we're seeing uh specifically Democrat voters are motivated

4130
01:30:39.180 --> 01:30:41.270
heavily by a candidate who's going to be making it,

4131
01:30:41.500 --> 01:30:43.000
making it a priority for them

4132
01:30:43.180 --> 01:30:44.020
to combat the.

4133
01:30:44.370 --> 01:30:45.110
Administration.

4134
01:30:45.300 --> 01:30:47.700
We see this with rhetoric from the top Democratic campaigns.

4135
01:30:47.820 --> 01:30:48.410
We see this,

4136
01:30:48.620 --> 01:30:48.630
uh,

4137
01:30:48.940 --> 01:30:49.990
especially here in California.

4138
01:30:50.060 --> 01:30:50.650
We had

4139
01:30:50.820 --> 01:30:52.970
a very notable campaign for governor where

4140
01:30:53.300 --> 01:30:55.940
there are multiple high profile candidates in California,

4141
01:30:56.060 --> 01:30:58.970
but every single one of them made it the center point that

4142
01:30:59.100 --> 01:31:02.460
the policy of a state governor candidate in California

4143
01:31:02.700 --> 01:31:06.340
is to fight and combat the presidential administration.

4144
01:31:06.700 --> 01:31:09.660
So tell me how this is more beneficial to the American people to

4145
01:31:09.660 --> 01:31:11.930
focus on combating the president rather than

4146
01:31:11.930 --> 01:31:14.520
working on common sense solutions to find

4147
01:31:14.950 --> 01:31:15.870
actual

4148
01:31:16.220 --> 01:31:17.800
solutions for the problems facing Americans.

4149
01:31:17.900 --> 01:31:17.940
Yeah,

4150
01:31:17.980 --> 01:31:18.120
I mean,

4151
01:31:18.180 --> 01:31:20.850
I think you're just kind of like you're being very picky with

4152
01:31:20.980 --> 01:31:22.580
like campaign talking points.

4153
01:31:23.260 --> 01:31:23.460
I mean,

4154
01:31:23.540 --> 01:31:26.860
every Republican ever that ran during Joe Biden's administration was like,

4155
01:31:26.910 --> 01:31:26.990
yeah,

4156
01:31:27.060 --> 01:31:27.980
we're going to fight Joe Biden,

4157
01:31:28.020 --> 01:31:29.210
we're going to fight the communism.

4158
01:31:29.380 --> 01:31:30.740
It's just like a campaign talking point,

4159
01:31:30.750 --> 01:31:32.800
and I think the justification for both sides is like,

4160
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:34.360
They're not just saying,

4161
01:31:34.490 --> 01:31:34.640
oh,

4162
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.410
the only thing I'm gonna do is like stand up to Biden or stand up to Trump.

4163
01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:39.860
They're saying I'm gonna stand up to the policies of this administration.

4164
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:40.230
So

4165
01:31:40.360 --> 01:31:42.080
any Democrat running for Congress is gonna say,

4166
01:31:42.200 --> 01:31:42.320
yeah,

4167
01:31:42.360 --> 01:31:43.230
I'm against

4168
01:31:43.400 --> 01:31:44.430
Trump's cancer cuts.

4169
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:46.530
I'm against Trump's policies on health care broadly.

4170
01:31:46.590 --> 01:31:47.800
I'm against his immigration policy,

4171
01:31:47.870 --> 01:31:48.790
I'm against whatever,

4172
01:31:49.080 --> 01:31:51.600
but it's more so like being against him as a matter of principle.

4173
01:31:51.750 --> 01:31:53.340
A matter of policy as opposed to just being like,

4174
01:31:53.380 --> 01:31:54.160
I hate Donald Trump.

4175
01:31:54.260 --> 01:31:54.530
We all,

4176
01:31:54.580 --> 01:31:54.870
I mean,

4177
01:31:54.900 --> 01:31:55.270
all of us,

4178
01:31:55.580 --> 01:31:56.290
we hate Trump,

4179
01:31:56.540 --> 01:31:57.890
but we hate his policies as well.

4180
01:31:58.100 --> 01:31:58.340
OK,

4181
01:31:58.460 --> 01:32:01.040
so now you mentioned Joe Biden and going back,

4182
01:32:01.060 --> 01:32:02.540
back in time to the 2020 election,

4183
01:32:02.580 --> 01:32:03.170
we see,

4184
01:32:03.580 --> 01:32:06.700
I'd say my claim still holds faith for 2020 as well.

4185
01:32:06.780 --> 01:32:09.100
The top issue amongst Democrats was combating President Trump,

4186
01:32:09.110 --> 01:32:10.190
and we see that with,

4187
01:32:10.540 --> 01:32:10.610
uh,

4188
01:32:10.780 --> 01:32:12.740
you look around the room and I'll I'll

4189
01:32:12.740 --> 01:32:15.300
speak anecdotally and not pure statistics on this.

4190
01:32:15.660 --> 01:32:15.780
Uh,

4191
01:32:15.860 --> 01:32:16.780
I don't know a single

4192
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.710
Democrat who is actually excited to cast their

4193
01:32:18.710 --> 01:32:20.710
ballot for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

4194
01:32:21.020 --> 01:32:21.220
Me.

4195
01:32:21.510 --> 01:32:21.850
So

4196
01:32:21.970 --> 01:32:23.420
you are among the minority.

4197
01:32:23.470 --> 01:32:24.900
I hate to break it to you in this end,

4198
01:32:24.980 --> 01:32:25.250
but,

4199
01:32:25.260 --> 01:32:25.380
uh,

4200
01:32:25.620 --> 01:32:28.460
the reality is when we see the Democratic Party in 2020,

4201
01:32:28.580 --> 01:32:30.800
they were wanting to unite against President Trump.

4202
01:32:30.860 --> 01:32:31.330
And then

4203
01:32:31.460 --> 01:32:33.150
when we see in 2024

4204
01:32:33.300 --> 01:32:35.250
the results of the policies of the Biden

4205
01:32:35.250 --> 01:32:37.930
administration during 2020 and throughout those years,

4206
01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:41.620
the failures among the administration to handle any of the policies,

4207
01:32:41.700 --> 01:32:43.880
any of the real issues facing the country,

4208
01:32:44.020 --> 01:32:45.330
and we see the results of that.

4209
01:32:45.850 --> 01:32:49.650
And the actual faith of the American people changing their perspective on their

4210
01:32:49.650 --> 01:32:53.230
faith in the Democratic Party with the results of the 2024 election,

4211
01:32:53.450 --> 01:32:56.080
where again the Democratic Party tried to do the bait and switch.

4212
01:32:56.230 --> 01:32:57.080
We just need

4213
01:32:57.690 --> 01:32:59.690
a beating heart to beat President Trump,

4214
01:32:59.850 --> 01:33:01.900
where they switched out Kamala Harris with

4215
01:33:02.780 --> 01:33:04.960
they switched out Joe Biden with Kamala Harris,

4216
01:33:04.970 --> 01:33:05.280
and

4217
01:33:05.410 --> 01:33:06.340
unfortunately we

4218
01:33:06.570 --> 01:33:08.850
saw that the Democratic Party could not motivate the country

4219
01:33:08.850 --> 01:33:11.250
to vote against President Trump in the 2024 election.

4220
01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:11.370
Yeah,

4221
01:33:11.570 --> 01:33:14.050
they only lost the election by like 200,000 votes in three swing states.

4222
01:33:14.090 --> 01:33:15.280
So if those votes had just changed.

4223
01:33:15.440 --> 01:33:17.640
Kamala Harris to be president today and we'd be far better off.

4224
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:19.160
Everybody in this room would be far better off.

4225
01:33:19.240 --> 01:33:19.590
But

4226
01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:20.520
to address your claims,

4227
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:20.910
I mean,

4228
01:33:21.190 --> 01:33:21.200
uh,

4229
01:33:21.360 --> 01:33:21.570
on,

4230
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:23.000
on the failures of the Biden administration,

4231
01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:23.400
I'm curious,

4232
01:33:23.440 --> 01:33:23.640
like,

4233
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.400
did you disagree with the PAC Act?

4234
01:33:25.650 --> 01:33:26.950
Or do you know what the PAC Act is?

4235
01:33:27.240 --> 01:33:28.840
So what aspects are you asking?

4236
01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:31.680
So the PAC Act was expanding healthcare for veterans

4237
01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:33.450
who had been exposed to toxic burn pits abroad.

4238
01:33:33.480 --> 01:33:34.230
It's kind of like a,

4239
01:33:34.400 --> 01:33:36.560
a field of veterans care that has been ignored.

4240
01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:38.720
The VA used to like deny a lot of these claims.

4241
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:40.960
They said that there wasn't enough evidence to back up their claim.

4242
01:33:41.160 --> 01:33:42.500
Joe Biden passed that policy.

4243
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:43.110
Within a year,

4244
01:33:43.200 --> 01:33:44.280
a million people signed up.

4245
01:33:44.350 --> 01:33:45.280
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

4246
01:33:45.530 --> 01:33:48.640
I'm not going to argue that passing any kind of funding

4247
01:33:48.650 --> 01:33:51.090
towards helping our wounded veterans is what about the infrastructure bill?

4248
01:33:51.330 --> 01:33:51.970
The infrastructure,

4249
01:33:52.010 --> 01:33:53.210
if we want to talk about infrastructure,

4250
01:33:53.330 --> 01:33:54.830
talk about the successes of the

4251
01:33:55.020 --> 01:33:56.090
President Trump's administration,

4252
01:33:56.250 --> 01:33:56.700
that he's,

4253
01:33:56.930 --> 01:33:57.050
yeah,

4254
01:33:57.130 --> 01:33:57.410
you know what,

4255
01:33:57.450 --> 01:33:58.050
you know why he's,

4256
01:33:58.090 --> 01:33:59.120
he's built some things?

4257
01:33:59.360 --> 01:34:01.850
Because he's using money that was appropriated from Biden's infrastructure bill,

4258
01:34:01.890 --> 01:34:04.330
the largest infrastructure bill since Eisenhower's highway system,

4259
01:34:04.570 --> 01:34:05.450
over $1 trillion.

4260
01:34:05.490 --> 01:34:06.050
And by the way,

4261
01:34:06.290 --> 01:34:07.780
Democrats and Republicans voted for it.

4262
01:34:08.050 --> 01:34:09.590
Are you against funding our infrastructure,

4263
01:34:09.770 --> 01:34:10.810
creating more jobs as a result?

4264
01:34:10.930 --> 01:34:13.920
So you want to Say that this is funding created by the Biden administration.

4265
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.640
What about the infrastructure packages passed during the first

4266
01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:19.160
administration before the Biden administration even taken office?

4267
01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:21.160
You mean Donald Trump did not pass an infrastructure bill.

4268
01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:23.240
He passed funding towards infrastructure investment,

4269
01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:23.890
infrastructure funding

4270
01:34:24.750 --> 01:34:26.530
from an infrastructure priority for his

4271
01:34:26.530 --> 01:34:28.250
campaign platform since he's been running.

4272
01:34:28.330 --> 01:34:28.400
Yes,

4273
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:29.120
it hasn't.

4274
01:34:29.200 --> 01:34:31.850
He hasn't passed any infrastructure has never been a focus for Donald Trump.

4275
01:34:31.900 --> 01:34:33.020
He's not focusing on it right now.

4276
01:34:33.160 --> 01:34:34.290
Investing in America's future.

4277
01:34:34.400 --> 01:34:34.520
Yes,

4278
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:35.760
of course that's he's not focusing on,

4279
01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:36.880
he's not trying to pass new funding.

4280
01:34:36.940 --> 01:34:37.280
He's using.

4281
01:34:37.480 --> 01:34:38.610
Funding from Biden's bill

4282
01:34:38.710 --> 01:34:40.140
and claiming it as his own.

4283
01:34:40.310 --> 01:34:40.990
But if we want,

4284
01:34:41.070 --> 01:34:43.010
if you want to credit Donald Trump for building things,

4285
01:34:43.110 --> 01:34:44.630
you should be able to sit here in good faith and say,

4286
01:34:44.670 --> 01:34:45.060
actually,

4287
01:34:45.340 --> 01:34:46.550
Joe Biden had a lot to do with that.

4288
01:34:46.670 --> 01:34:47.430
Can you say that?

4289
01:34:47.910 --> 01:34:50.040
What do you mean you're talking about saying that

4290
01:34:50.330 --> 01:34:51.100
a sitting

4291
01:34:51.510 --> 01:34:53.820
elected official in the United States has

4292
01:34:53.950 --> 01:34:55.910
a part to play in passing a budget for the United States?

4293
01:34:55.990 --> 01:34:56.110
Sure,

4294
01:34:56.310 --> 01:34:57.430
I'm happy to concede that point.

4295
01:34:57.480 --> 01:34:58.130
It wasn't a budget.

4296
01:34:58.270 --> 01:34:58.450
OK,

4297
01:34:58.740 --> 01:34:58.810
sure,

4298
01:34:59.240 --> 01:35:01.030
talking about a funding package for the United States,

4299
01:35:01.160 --> 01:35:03.350
talking about an entirely separate bill that funded our.

4300
01:35:03.470 --> 01:35:04.030
Infrastructure.

4301
01:35:04.220 --> 01:35:04.310
Yes,

4302
01:35:04.500 --> 01:35:04.930
so I'm,

4303
01:35:05.060 --> 01:35:05.770
so can you at least

4304
01:35:05.940 --> 01:35:06.030
about

4305
01:35:06.140 --> 01:35:07.460
general funding for infrastructure?

4306
01:35:07.540 --> 01:35:07.640
Yeah,

4307
01:35:07.780 --> 01:35:07.900
sure.

4308
01:35:08.060 --> 01:35:08.140
Great.

4309
01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:08.340
OK,

4310
01:35:08.500 --> 01:35:08.620
great.

4311
01:35:08.740 --> 01:35:10.580
So anytime that we focus on healthcare,

4312
01:35:10.660 --> 01:35:11.890
we agree on infrastructure.

4313
01:35:12.100 --> 01:35:12.260
I mean,

4314
01:35:12.300 --> 01:35:13.100
it seems like you're kind of,

4315
01:35:13.110 --> 01:35:13.260
uh,

4316
01:35:13.580 --> 01:35:15.940
you're aligning with some of the major policies of the Biden administration.

4317
01:35:16.020 --> 01:35:16.180
No.

4318
01:35:16.340 --> 01:35:18.220
So are these really core tenets of

4319
01:35:18.220 --> 01:35:20.670
the Biden administration and the Democratic Party?

4320
01:35:20.700 --> 01:35:21.970
Are these what you see

4321
01:35:22.300 --> 01:35:25.220
voiced on your evening news stations?

4322
01:35:25.260 --> 01:35:26.020
I'm voicing it right now.

4323
01:35:26.110 --> 01:35:27.110
Is this what we see

4324
01:35:27.340 --> 01:35:29.380
coming from the modern day Democratic Party is the top topic.

4325
01:35:29.500 --> 01:35:32.200
Points coming of how they are going to impact the,

4326
01:35:32.250 --> 01:35:34.730
I think the Democrats should be talking about these bills and running on them.

4327
01:35:35.090 --> 01:35:35.650
There's other.

4328
01:35:35.660 --> 01:35:36.810
What about the Chips in Science Act?

4329
01:35:36.890 --> 01:35:37.960
Why aren't they running on them?

4330
01:35:38.210 --> 01:35:39.480
You have to go Democrat by Democrat,

4331
01:35:39.530 --> 01:35:41.010
but there are some Democrats who are talking about,

4332
01:35:41.090 --> 01:35:41.210
yes,

4333
01:35:41.290 --> 01:35:42.170
we participate in this bill.

4334
01:35:42.190 --> 01:35:42.570
We got it done.

4335
01:35:42.650 --> 01:35:43.730
What about the Chips in Science Act?

4336
01:35:43.770 --> 01:35:43.850
Yes,

4337
01:35:43.930 --> 01:35:45.530
so my claim is that the modern

4338
01:35:45.730 --> 01:35:47.210
or the modern Democratic Party,

4339
01:35:47.290 --> 01:35:47.890
not California,

4340
01:35:48.210 --> 01:35:48.940
I'll

4341
01:35:49.130 --> 01:35:50.340
broaden it outside of California,

4342
01:35:50.530 --> 01:35:53.040
the modern Democratic Party is more interested in

4343
01:35:53.050 --> 01:35:55.330
combating the Trump administration than actually solving.

4344
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:56.060
Problems,

4345
01:35:56.240 --> 01:35:57.720
but then you started to claim that Biden's

4346
01:35:57.720 --> 01:35:59.390
administration wasn't productive and didn't do anything.

4347
01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:01.360
So I just wanted to correct the record that there's actually a lot

4348
01:36:01.360 --> 01:36:03.600
of things that you probably agree with that the Biden administration did.

4349
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:05.960
So we're talking about the actual political capital expended,

4350
01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:10.230
the actual political time spent and used in these campaigns to be directing

4351
01:36:10.360 --> 01:36:11.680
what the American people are talking about,

4352
01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:12.830
what they're focusing on.

4353
01:36:12.940 --> 01:36:16.600
Are you telling me that the modern Democratic Party is not directing

4354
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.610
all of their attention to combat President Trump and the Trump agenda?

4355
01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:21.330
They're directing their attention toward

4356
01:36:21.450 --> 01:36:22.050
Combating Trump,

4357
01:36:22.190 --> 01:36:23.030
combating his policies,

4358
01:36:23.080 --> 01:36:24.430
combating members of his administration,

4359
01:36:24.480 --> 01:36:25.730
combating their effect in the United States.

4360
01:36:25.780 --> 01:36:26.420
It's not just saying,

4361
01:36:26.670 --> 01:36:26.870
hey,

4362
01:36:27.030 --> 01:36:27.530
Donald Trump,

4363
01:36:27.710 --> 01:36:28.980
that's our only message.

4364
01:36:29.390 --> 01:36:31.110
Democrats are running on a variety of things like,

4365
01:36:31.150 --> 01:36:31.270
hey,

4366
01:36:31.350 --> 01:36:33.460
we think that Donald Trump's cuts to Medicare

4367
01:36:33.630 --> 01:36:37.390
and Medicaid over a 10-year period being $-1 trillion is a bad thing.

4368
01:36:37.430 --> 01:36:39.030
We think we should restore that funding and

4369
01:36:39.030 --> 01:36:40.640
make sure that these programs are properly funded.

4370
01:36:40.710 --> 01:36:41.670
We talked about cancer funding.

4371
01:36:41.750 --> 01:36:42.590
Let's bring that funding back.

4372
01:36:42.690 --> 01:36:45.470
Let's have comprehensive immigration reform that's pragmatic as

4373
01:36:45.470 --> 01:36:46.830
opposed to what Trump is doing with ICE.

4374
01:36:46.870 --> 01:36:47.310
That's what Democrats.

4375
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:47.930
are running on.

4376
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:49.880
They're not just saying orange man bad.

4377
01:36:50.210 --> 01:36:51.440
I don't know what Democrats are listening to.

4378
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.240
If they're going on Fox News and saying that it's probably to get some,

4379
01:36:54.360 --> 01:36:55.000
some donors,

4380
01:36:55.120 --> 01:36:55.280
right?

4381
01:36:55.320 --> 01:36:57.190
And Republicans and Democrats do that.

4382
01:36:57.400 --> 01:36:57.910
But broadly,

4383
01:36:57.920 --> 01:36:59.720
if you dig into the policy and what they're actually saying,

4384
01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:00.890
what they're actually arguing for,

4385
01:37:01.040 --> 01:37:01.760
there's substance there.

4386
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:02.600
There's policy there.

4387
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:02.920
See,

4388
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:05.360
I'm still thinking we're watching different candidates and

4389
01:37:05.360 --> 01:37:07.190
different Democrats because the ones that I'm like,

4390
01:37:07.200 --> 01:37:08.580
what candidates are you seeing that are only

4391
01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:08.960
Trump?

4392
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.040
I'll refer all the way back to the candidates

4393
01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:13.320
running for governor of the Democratic Party in California.

4394
01:37:13.460 --> 01:37:16.440
We see that every single one of those candidates made it the single

4395
01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:17.160
top

4396
01:37:17.320 --> 01:37:20.220
talking point for their campaign to be combating the president,

4397
01:37:20.650 --> 01:37:21.450
combating what,

4398
01:37:21.610 --> 01:37:21.870
right?

4399
01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:23.530
They're not just saying I'm gonna exactly they're,

4400
01:37:23.650 --> 01:37:24.230
what are they combating?

4401
01:37:24.290 --> 01:37:25.610
They're not just saying I'm going to combat Trump,

4402
01:37:25.620 --> 01:37:26.610
and that's everything they're saying.

4403
01:37:26.650 --> 01:37:27.050
There's no

4404
01:37:27.170 --> 01:37:28.190
I'm gonna combine what they're saying.

4405
01:37:28.210 --> 01:37:28.860
It's not true,

4406
01:37:29.020 --> 01:37:29.410
really.

4407
01:37:29.570 --> 01:37:29.930
Yeah,

4408
01:37:30.290 --> 01:37:30.930
Javier Becerra,

4409
01:37:31.010 --> 01:37:31.210
you're,

4410
01:37:31.290 --> 01:37:32.650
you're soon to be governor.

4411
01:37:32.770 --> 01:37:33.690
Congratulations everybody,

4412
01:37:33.870 --> 01:37:35.170
a member of the Biden administration.

4413
01:37:35.210 --> 01:37:35.640
You'll be

4414
01:37:35.780 --> 01:37:36.850
just fine here in California,

4415
01:37:36.970 --> 01:37:38.560
very unpopular member of the Biden

4416
01:37:38.690 --> 01:37:39.290
administration if you talk.

4417
01:37:39.470 --> 01:37:40.850
Other members of the cabinet by who?

4418
01:37:41.460 --> 01:37:42.230
It's very clear

4419
01:37:42.500 --> 01:37:43.220
reports from the cabinet.

4420
01:37:43.260 --> 01:37:45.510
Xavier Becerro is not seen as a popular member,

4421
01:37:45.620 --> 01:37:45.890
but

4422
01:37:46.220 --> 01:37:47.100
referring all the way back,

4423
01:37:47.140 --> 01:37:51.020
you still haven't provided concrete examples like the main democratic

4424
01:37:51.020 --> 01:37:53.640
platform where they are doing anything proposing to the American.

4425
01:37:53.780 --> 01:37:55.050
What's the solution on immigration?

4426
01:37:55.060 --> 01:37:56.490
What's the solution to foreign policy?

4427
01:37:56.500 --> 01:37:57.800
What's the solution to the economy?

4428
01:37:58.140 --> 01:37:59.900
What are the solutions that the Democratic

4429
01:37:59.900 --> 01:38:01.740
Party is presenting to the American people?

4430
01:38:01.750 --> 01:38:03.580
I can give you as opposed to orange man bad,

4431
01:38:03.620 --> 01:38:04.180
we need to fight.

4432
01:38:04.210 --> 01:38:05.380
I can give you my solutions if you're asking.

4433
01:38:05.750 --> 01:38:05.910
OK,

4434
01:38:05.990 --> 01:38:07.910
what's the actual solutions being presented

4435
01:38:07.910 --> 01:38:09.550
by the mainstream Democratic candidates?

4436
01:38:09.590 --> 01:38:09.680
Well,

4437
01:38:10.170 --> 01:38:10.700
I'll say

4438
01:38:10.950 --> 01:38:13.600
one of the mainstream candidates ranked for president.

4439
01:38:13.710 --> 01:38:16.470
Pick any of the litter of who you think would be a national figure.

4440
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:16.670
Yeah,

4441
01:38:16.710 --> 01:38:19.690
a lot of the Democrats that are running that may or may not run for president,

4442
01:38:20.150 --> 01:38:20.840
may or may not,

4443
01:38:21.950 --> 01:38:24.040
they're all kind of aligned on different policies.

4444
01:38:24.110 --> 01:38:25.390
So like if we're just taking immigration,

4445
01:38:25.430 --> 01:38:26.050
for example,

4446
01:38:26.270 --> 01:38:27.790
they're kind of aligned with what Joe Biden tried

4447
01:38:27.790 --> 01:38:29.180
to do near the end of his administration,

4448
01:38:29.320 --> 01:38:31.350
which was a bipartisan bill written by Senator James Lank.

4449
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:32.880
which hired more ICE,

4450
01:38:33.080 --> 01:38:33.800
not more ICE agents,

4451
01:38:33.860 --> 01:38:36.840
more border patrol agents and invested more in immigration judges because the

4452
01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:39.120
wait for asylum seekers can be anywhere from 4 to 7 years.

4453
01:38:39.200 --> 01:38:40.830
We want to bring that down to under 6 months.

4454
01:38:41.120 --> 01:38:41.360
Um,

4455
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:44.550
it was actually more border security in terms of the ports of entry where

4456
01:38:44.750 --> 01:38:46.880
most narcotics or illicit substances are brought in,

4457
01:38:47.200 --> 01:38:49.650
wanted more advanced technology to scan these cars.

4458
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:50.110
And so,

4459
01:38:50.320 --> 01:38:50.480
you know,

4460
01:38:50.580 --> 01:38:50.920
that's good,

4461
01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:51.200
right?

4462
01:38:51.400 --> 01:38:52.870
That's kind of what Democrats are running on.

4463
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:53.120
OK,

4464
01:38:53.210 --> 01:38:54.310
now you mentioned actually,

4465
01:38:54.320 --> 01:38:56.960
I think we can walk away with this some actual common ground here.

4466
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:57.450
You're talking about.

4467
01:38:58.050 --> 01:38:59.880
Increasing funding towards border security

4468
01:38:59.890 --> 01:39:01.860
to specifically combat illicit substances.

4469
01:39:01.890 --> 01:39:03.280
And earlier when you were talking about

4470
01:39:03.450 --> 01:39:04.170
health in America,

4471
01:39:04.210 --> 01:39:06.180
I was waiting for somebody to talk about fentanyl being

4472
01:39:06.180 --> 01:39:07.850
one of the leading causes of death in this country.

4473
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.700
Fentanyl overdoses went down under Joe Biden.

4474
01:39:09.850 --> 01:39:10.090
Yes,

4475
01:39:10.210 --> 01:39:12.570
and when we look at the reality of which

4476
01:39:12.570 --> 01:39:15.280
administration started actually looking at the fentanyl epidemic and

4477
01:39:15.450 --> 01:39:16.680
actually focusing on

4478
01:39:17.410 --> 01:39:19.120
enforcing policies to

4479
01:39:19.430 --> 01:39:21.370
prevent fentanyl from coming into the streets of

4480
01:39:21.370 --> 01:39:23.350
America would be the Trump administration in 20.

4481
01:39:23.510 --> 01:39:26.490
16 and we look at the Democrats who consistently,

4482
01:39:26.670 --> 01:39:29.740
consistently oppose any crackdown on border policy meant to

4483
01:39:29.740 --> 01:39:32.130
crack down on fentanyl coming into the United States.

4484
01:39:32.140 --> 01:39:32.500
That's not true.

4485
01:39:32.580 --> 01:39:32.780
We don't,

4486
01:39:32.860 --> 01:39:33.610
we weren't all,

4487
01:39:33.620 --> 01:39:35.140
every single Democrat's aligned that we want

4488
01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:36.670
to prevent illicit substances from coming in.

4489
01:39:36.700 --> 01:39:36.850
I mean,

4490
01:39:36.860 --> 01:39:39.660
it was part of Joe Biden's bill to be able to better scan for these things.

4491
01:39:39.700 --> 01:39:42.210
So like to claim the Democrats are against it is just unfounded.

4492
01:39:42.360 --> 01:39:42.690
But

4493
01:39:42.820 --> 01:39:45.700
like there might be broader policy that this might be included in

4494
01:39:45.700 --> 01:39:47.580
a bill that we're against because of other things in the bill,

4495
01:39:47.630 --> 01:39:48.540
but as a matter of principle,

4496
01:39:48.620 --> 01:39:49.370
nobody's against.

4497
01:39:49.970 --> 01:39:51.490
Preventing fentanyl from coming into the country.

4498
01:39:51.530 --> 01:39:53.570
And also I'd say that Donald Trump did a pretty bad job with it.

4499
01:39:53.650 --> 01:39:55.310
To mention off that matter of principle,

4500
01:39:55.730 --> 01:39:56.370
generally speaking,

4501
01:39:56.450 --> 01:39:57.660
people aren't against that policy.

4502
01:39:57.740 --> 01:39:59.220
You kept bringing up cancer funding,

4503
01:39:59.410 --> 01:40:00.010
cancer research.

4504
01:40:00.090 --> 01:40:01.450
I don't think there's a single person

4505
01:40:01.450 --> 01:40:03.300
sitting here who thinks we shouldn't be funding

4506
01:40:03.530 --> 01:40:05.250
cancer research when it comes to the actual.

4507
01:40:05.370 --> 01:40:07.360
The impact of that funding where it goes.

4508
01:40:07.440 --> 01:40:08.490
This guy couldn't condemn it.

4509
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:09.750
He wouldn't even engage on that.

4510
01:40:10.080 --> 01:40:11.350
This guy as well wouldn't

4511
01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:13.160
because you have them in a political talking

4512
01:40:13.160 --> 01:40:14.880
point and a straw man argument where you're

4513
01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:17.580
trying to pick and choose one piece of said it was a loaded question as well

4514
01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:19.500
they're going to oppose all funding for cancer

4515
01:40:19.850 --> 01:40:20.020
research,

4516
01:40:20.120 --> 01:40:20.870
but in reality.

4517
01:40:21.280 --> 01:40:21.320
I,

4518
01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:23.520
when you want to pick apart that specific research,

4519
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:25.200
there may have been a specific reason it was cut,

4520
01:40:25.310 --> 01:40:26.040
but maybe it was no,

4521
01:40:26.480 --> 01:40:27.400
they actually didn't give a reason.

4522
01:40:27.440 --> 01:40:28.960
The Trump administration hasn't given a reason.

4523
01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:30.350
And when I asked for straight up like,

4524
01:40:30.360 --> 01:40:30.900
what's the reason?

4525
01:40:30.990 --> 01:40:31.400
What's the reason?

4526
01:40:31.480 --> 01:40:32.310
Why are we doing this?

4527
01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:33.250
Nobody would engage with me.

4528
01:40:33.360 --> 01:40:35.280
So can you at least engage with me and say that's bad?

4529
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:37.480
I will tell you right now that generally speaking,

4530
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:38.750
we should look to be combative.

4531
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:41.370
diseases like cancer and we should be doing what we can.

4532
01:40:41.550 --> 01:40:41.670
Yes,

4533
01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:43.320
and we need to be looking at what cutting it.

4534
01:40:43.400 --> 01:40:43.480
No,

4535
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.600
I will not because I don't know enough about the specific.

4536
01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:45.880
So wait,

4537
01:40:46.040 --> 01:40:47.360
you just said that everybody here is

4538
01:40:47.360 --> 01:40:49.080
probably in favor of cancer research funding and

4539
01:40:49.080 --> 01:40:51.250
then I asked you to condemn Donald Trump doing it and you said no,

4540
01:40:51.280 --> 01:40:51.690
I won't.

4541
01:40:51.860 --> 01:40:54.010
So are you going to tell me the exact policy,

4542
01:40:54.120 --> 01:40:56.250
write down the exact funding that he

4543
01:40:57.280 --> 01:40:59.160
you're going to tell me the exact program,

4544
01:40:59.280 --> 01:41:01.010
what results were coming of that program,

4545
01:41:01.360 --> 01:41:03.040
pediatric brain tumor consortium.

4546
01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:03.390
OK.

4547
01:41:04.040 --> 01:41:04.400
Why?

4548
01:41:05.320 --> 01:41:05.990
I don't know why.

4549
01:41:06.220 --> 01:41:06.830
Was there,

4550
01:41:07.080 --> 01:41:08.430
were there no results coming from the?

4551
01:41:08.440 --> 01:41:08.520
No,

4552
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:09.360
they had active studies.

4553
01:41:09.400 --> 01:41:10.200
They were in clinical trials.

4554
01:41:10.280 --> 01:41:10.430
OK,

4555
01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:12.370
but was there actually something coming of it?

4556
01:41:12.440 --> 01:41:12.700
Yes,

4557
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.400
a lot of plenty of people who can say they're an active study according to data,

4558
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:16.920
according to data from that program,

4559
01:41:17.040 --> 01:41:18.070
2000 kids

4560
01:41:18.280 --> 01:41:19.040
have been helped by it.

4561
01:41:19.120 --> 01:41:19.640
2000,

4562
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:20.760
which is a lot of kids.

4563
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:21.190
OK,

4564
01:41:21.360 --> 01:41:21.860
so why?

4565
01:41:22.300 --> 01:41:22.870
Do we condemn it?

4566
01:41:22.940 --> 01:41:23.770
Do you condemn that?

4567
01:41:24.100 --> 01:41:25.780
Condemn Donald Trump defunding it.

4568
01:41:25.860 --> 01:41:29.740
So you're trying to have me condemn President Trump for not funding a

4569
01:41:29.740 --> 01:41:32.460
program that you are telling me now for the first time that I'll,

4570
01:41:32.580 --> 01:41:35.100
I'll admit I had no research or no understanding of that program.

4571
01:41:35.180 --> 01:41:35.220
Yeah,

4572
01:41:35.260 --> 01:41:36.060
I am asking you to condemn it.

4573
01:41:36.110 --> 01:41:36.140
Yeah.

4574
01:41:36.220 --> 01:41:36.380
So I,

4575
01:41:36.460 --> 01:41:38.180
I will not condemn the president based on

4576
01:41:38.180 --> 01:41:40.540
that program and information you're presenting me.

4577
01:41:40.620 --> 01:41:40.900
As soon,

4578
01:41:41.020 --> 01:41:41.810
how about we do this?

4579
01:41:41.860 --> 01:41:43.180
As soon as you go back in that chair,

4580
01:41:43.300 --> 01:41:43.940
you have a phone on you,

4581
01:41:43.990 --> 01:41:44.230
yeah,

4582
01:41:44.380 --> 01:41:44.520
yes,

4583
01:41:44.670 --> 01:41:44.970
OK.

4584
01:41:45.260 --> 01:41:45.890
Google the,

4585
01:41:45.900 --> 01:41:47.710
the Pediatric Brain Tumor Consortium.

4586
01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.070
And look up has it been defunded in its entirety and then

4587
01:41:51.070 --> 01:41:52.310
you can come back to me and we'll talk about it after.

4588
01:41:52.390 --> 01:41:53.350
So I'm not saying that it hasn't.

4589
01:41:53.400 --> 01:41:55.550
I'm just saying that there may have been a reason why you're trying

4590
01:41:55.550 --> 01:41:59.670
to pick this one specific thing because it's a very compelling sounding point.

4591
01:41:59.750 --> 01:42:00.880
It's not you're trying to pick a talking

4592
01:42:01.030 --> 01:42:01.710
point that sounds good.

4593
01:42:01.750 --> 01:42:03.240
You're trying to make people sound unempathized.

4594
01:42:03.670 --> 01:42:03.790
Sure,

4595
01:42:03.870 --> 01:42:04.180
of course,

4596
01:42:04.230 --> 01:42:05.650
but you can look at a Democratic president.

4597
01:42:05.710 --> 01:42:07.550
I'm sure there's some funding for some cancer

4598
01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:09.070
research that Joe Biden restarted the cancer.

4599
01:42:09.240 --> 01:42:10.160
Moonshot program,

4600
01:42:10.280 --> 01:42:11.400
which invested even more in

4601
01:42:11.850 --> 01:42:13.760
how much funding goes in front of each member

4602
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.000
of Congress to propose to put into spending bills

4603
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.240
that doesn't go through and then every single year

4604
01:42:18.240 --> 01:42:20.430
you see the Republicans and the Democrats fighting about,

4605
01:42:20.480 --> 01:42:20.680
oh,

4606
01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:21.320
they cut this,

4607
01:42:21.440 --> 01:42:21.560
oh,

4608
01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:22.910
they're not willing to spend on this.

4609
01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:26.080
And the reality is we have a budget that's trillions of dollars.

4610
01:42:26.160 --> 01:42:28.690
So when it comes to when program counts for 27% of the debt,

4611
01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:28.960
by the way,

4612
01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:29.550
but continue.

4613
01:42:30.040 --> 01:42:30.890
27.

4614
01:42:31.280 --> 01:42:31.290
No,

4615
01:42:31.370 --> 01:42:31.520
it's,

4616
01:42:31.530 --> 01:42:32.090
it's not a joke.

4617
01:42:32.130 --> 01:42:32.770
27%,

4618
01:42:32.850 --> 01:42:33.170
1 man.

4619
01:42:33.250 --> 01:42:33.410
OK.

4620
01:42:33.570 --> 01:42:33.630
Well,

4621
01:42:33.690 --> 01:42:35.330
when it comes to an actual budget decision,

4622
01:42:35.390 --> 01:42:38.210
we need to actually look at the fact that there are trillions of dollars deciding

4623
01:42:38.210 --> 01:42:42.020
you want to pick and choose a straw man argument on one specific issue.

4624
01:42:42.210 --> 01:42:43.670
The reality is you don't have something.

4625
01:42:43.780 --> 01:42:44.450
It's not a straw man.

4626
01:42:44.490 --> 01:42:44.770
I'm just,

4627
01:42:44.850 --> 01:42:46.200
I'm asking a very like

4628
01:42:46.410 --> 01:42:48.390
this is you want to go back to the actual

4629
01:42:48.390 --> 01:42:50.710
claim that you have a policy solution that isn't.

4630
01:42:51.090 --> 01:42:51.850
I'm happy to get back to that.

4631
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:53.740
This should not be understood as like a gotcha moment.

4632
01:42:53.950 --> 01:42:56.500
I'm really not trying to just like the Epstein thing was not a gotcha moment.

4633
01:42:56.630 --> 01:42:57.790
I'm asking genuinely,

4634
01:42:57.870 --> 01:42:59.080
can we find middle ground?

4635
01:42:59.550 --> 01:43:00.580
That Donald Trump

4636
01:43:00.690 --> 01:43:01.850
should not be cutting

4637
01:43:01.990 --> 01:43:02.870
cancer research funding,

4638
01:43:03.140 --> 01:43:03.700
especially

4639
01:43:03.830 --> 01:43:04.980
pediatric cancer research funding,

4640
01:43:04.990 --> 01:43:05.910
and you're like dancing around,

4641
01:43:05.950 --> 01:43:06.190
you're like,

4642
01:43:06.200 --> 01:43:06.510
I don't know,

4643
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:06.980
I don't know.

4644
01:43:07.110 --> 01:43:08.990
But this has been public for many years.

4645
01:43:09.070 --> 01:43:09.230
I mean,

4646
01:43:09.310 --> 01:43:11.190
we know for a fact that Donald Trump cut this funding,

4647
01:43:11.270 --> 01:43:12.590
and if you've like paid attention to the news,

4648
01:43:12.630 --> 01:43:13.810
you would have seen that he cut this funding.

4649
01:43:13.910 --> 01:43:15.160
So you don't even have to take my word for it.

4650
01:43:15.190 --> 01:43:17.810
You can just like all these different media outlets who reference this budget.

4651
01:43:17.990 --> 01:43:19.360
It's not a political talking point.

4652
01:43:19.470 --> 01:43:19.780
This is,

4653
01:43:19.870 --> 01:43:20.070
I think,

4654
01:43:20.190 --> 01:43:21.120
personal for a lot of people

4655
01:43:21.470 --> 01:43:21.830
talking point.

4656
01:43:21.870 --> 01:43:22.300
You came

4657
01:43:22.430 --> 01:43:23.680
fully prepared with this talking

4658
01:43:23.950 --> 01:43:24.830
point out of time.

4659
01:43:24.950 --> 01:43:26.230
We are out of time.

4660
01:43:26.390 --> 01:43:27.180
Thank you both.

4661
01:43:27.470 --> 01:43:27.910
Thank you.

4662
01:43:32.930 --> 01:43:33.170
All right,

4663
01:43:33.290 --> 01:43:35.160
that is all the time we have.

4664
01:43:35.250 --> 01:43:37.210
I want you guys to give yourselves a round of applause.

4665
01:43:37.250 --> 01:43:38.370
You guys did great today.

4666
01:43:41.120 --> 01:43:41.750
Of course,

4667
01:43:42.100 --> 01:43:44.270
thank you Harry for joining the circle.

4668
01:43:44.440 --> 01:43:45.070
How are you feeling?

4669
01:43:45.480 --> 01:43:46.320
I'm tired now.

4670
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:47.480
I wanna go home and nap.

4671
01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:48.920
I believe it.

4672
01:43:49.100 --> 01:43:49.440
All right,

4673
01:43:49.480 --> 01:43:51.040
and thank you guys for watching at home.

4674
01:43:51.160 --> 01:43:52.760
Let us know what you think in the comments.

4675
01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:53.520
I'm serious

4676
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:54.790
and we'll catch you next time.

4677
01:43:55.080 --> 01:43:55.560
Bye.

4678
01:43:59.540 --> 01:44:02.340
The unfortunate reality with people who are really diehard Trump

4679
01:44:02.340 --> 01:44:04.990
supporters is that even on something like cancer research funding,

4680
01:44:05.220 --> 01:44:08.090
which if you go out on any major city and just ask somebody on the street,

4681
01:44:08.140 --> 01:44:08.940
they probably agree with you,

4682
01:44:08.980 --> 01:44:10.210
but even on something like that,

4683
01:44:10.300 --> 01:44:11.160
they can't get there.

4684
01:44:11.220 --> 01:44:11.650
They're like,

4685
01:44:11.660 --> 01:44:13.620
there's still some hesitancy to condemn Trump.

4686
01:44:13.860 --> 01:44:16.190
But I think the positive thing is that there were 20

4687
01:44:16.190 --> 01:44:18.610
people who showed up today and they engaged in conversation.

4688
01:44:18.820 --> 01:44:19.740
Most of it was good faith,

4689
01:44:19.820 --> 01:44:20.650
most of it I thought.

4690
01:44:21.190 --> 01:44:21.990
Was cordial,

4691
01:44:22.420 --> 01:44:22.780
um,

4692
01:44:22.790 --> 01:44:23.620
and so you know there's

4693
01:44:23.740 --> 01:44:24.470
different takeaways.

4694
01:44:24.510 --> 01:44:28.190
I thought Harry was pretty good um I think he comes to debate in good faith.

4695
01:44:28.390 --> 01:44:30.260
He's definitely a media trained guy,

4696
01:44:30.270 --> 01:44:30.580
you know,

4697
01:44:30.590 --> 01:44:30.870
he,

4698
01:44:30.990 --> 01:44:32.000
he does this for a living.

4699
01:44:32.070 --> 01:44:32.930
He knows what he's doing,

4700
01:44:33.070 --> 01:44:35.350
but I do think he genuinely believes in what he's saying

4701
01:44:35.350 --> 01:44:38.040
and that he wants what he thinks is best for America.

4702
01:44:38.470 --> 01:44:40.990
So I think a lot of my disagreement really comes down to

4703
01:44:40.990 --> 01:44:43.950
the fact that we were both navigating each other's talking points.

4704
01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:46.310
And trying to get past each other's points,

4705
01:44:46.510 --> 01:44:49.580
so he had a huge focus on January 6th and talking about

4706
01:44:49.700 --> 01:44:52.590
how all these things about President Trump doing are so terrible

4707
01:44:52.750 --> 01:44:54.950
that he doesn't actually have solutions of his own to present.

4708
01:44:55.070 --> 01:44:57.650
That's what I wanted to make sure to mention in the follow-up

4709
01:44:57.650 --> 01:45:00.260
question that we were able to talk about towards the end is

4710
01:45:00.390 --> 01:45:03.000
there's just no solutions being presented from his end of the aisle

4711
01:45:03.150 --> 01:45:06.980
when he shares things like ICE is just indiscriminately targeting people,

4712
01:45:07.470 --> 01:45:09.140
they don't have the means to do that.

4713
01:45:09.150 --> 01:45:10.660
That's not what the agency does.

4714
01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:11.090
Um,

4715
01:45:11.270 --> 01:45:13.830
the examples he cited I thought were weak for his argument.

4716
01:45:14.220 --> 01:45:16.370
He's citing Mahmoud Khalil and like these

4717
01:45:16.580 --> 01:45:17.360
other kinda

4718
01:45:17.580 --> 01:45:20.580
it's more of like culture war issues and um like obviously

4719
01:45:20.580 --> 01:45:23.450
it's very popular to say that from a rhetoric perspective but

4720
01:45:23.620 --> 01:45:25.140
ICE is an agency that is

4721
01:45:25.580 --> 01:45:26.610
solely determined on.

4722
01:45:27.390 --> 01:45:28.750
Protecting the interior of the country,

4723
01:45:28.830 --> 01:45:30.830
so to demonize them and call them Gestapos,

4724
01:45:30.980 --> 01:45:31.550
not that he did that,

4725
01:45:31.610 --> 01:45:33.550
but that's a lot of the rhetoric that you hear,

4726
01:45:33.790 --> 01:45:34.670
I think it's totally,

4727
01:45:34.790 --> 01:45:35.070
um,

4728
01:45:35.230 --> 01:45:35.890
uncalled for.

4729
01:45:36.060 --> 01:45:37.080
In the lead up to this episode,

4730
01:45:37.110 --> 01:45:37.390
I was like,

4731
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are they even gonna be able to find

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01:45:39.350 --> 01:45:40.980
like 1020 people that are

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01:45:41.110 --> 01:45:42.840
willing to defend the prompts we had today

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01:45:42.990 --> 01:45:43.820
and defend Donald Trump?

4735
01:45:43.830 --> 01:45:44.460
You guys did it.

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01:45:44.470 --> 01:45:45.190
It was great,

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01:45:45.430 --> 01:45:45.550
um,

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01:45:45.670 --> 01:45:45.870
but yes,

4739
01:45:45.910 --> 01:45:47.160
it's definitely hard to defend Trump.

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01:45:47.270 --> 01:45:48.990
I can't think of anything that Donald Trump has done well.

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01:45:49.070 --> 01:45:51.750
There's not a single point that I think is effective that they can

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run on in the midterms or even in the future or defend.