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I mean,

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Maddie,

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she thinks our country's been invaded.

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What do you think?

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You don't want dead Americans,

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you gotta stop the foreign invasion.

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For an invasion,

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that's ridiculous.

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Well,

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that's just,

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no,

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I just legitimately thought that was funny.

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I think it's a pile of,

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um,

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I can't say the rest of the things I want to say.

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It's not true.

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Just say it,

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David.

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That's a pile of horse shit.

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That's what it is.

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Yeah,

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no,

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100%.

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It's ridiculous.

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Alright,

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I'm here with a familiar face,

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David Mauricio.

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Welcome to the Surrounded follow up.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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We meet again.

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We do,

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we do indeed.

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When I saw you on the set of Surrounded,

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I can't remember what episode that was,

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uh,

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maybe

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Dave Rubin,

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you know,

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little did I know that I was gonna be seeing

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more of you,

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but,

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um,

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it's been cool to see the split.

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What is that experience with?

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been like so far?

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It's been really interesting,

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um,

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has definitely changed my perspective as well.

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Somebody who

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at times you can be in complete disagreement with,

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to be able to have a,

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I guess,

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deeper connection with them,

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discuss things apart from politics and really build

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somewhat of a friendship.

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I think it's been

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definitely opened my mind to

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talking to,

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I guess,

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Republicans in a different way than I did before.

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You said somewhat of a friendship.

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Does that mean there's still tension?

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You and Austin have some big,

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uh,

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big gaps of opinion.

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No,

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I just,

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I think no,

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for sure he's my friend,

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you know,

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but recently heard that he's not gonna vote for Jon Ossoff in Georgia,

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so that hurt,

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that hurt my feelings for sure.

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no,

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I mean,

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Ossoff,

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everybody's talking about him.

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That actually is,

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is good to bring up.

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So we're going into midterms.

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It's an interesting time politically.

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Um,

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and then we're gonna react to some clips from your episode of Surrounded.

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Austin debated the liberals.

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You debated the conservatives.

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What was your mindset,

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you know,

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like going into this episode?

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What was,

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what were you thinking about knowing that this is like leading into,

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uh,

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a significant election?

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I wanted to try and make an affirmative case for Democrats

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while also reclaiming what it means to be an American,

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what it means to appreciate American culture.

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I think Republicans

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have been very.

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Successful in capturing these ideas of being patriotic,

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of loving your country,

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and they've used it as a cudgel to

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justify the unjustifiable,

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right?

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Mass deportations,

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violation of rights en masse,

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wars overseas,

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economic destabilization for the

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purpose of protecting American manufacturing.

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Democrats need to

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tell the American people and liberals in general what American culture really is.

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It's a culture of equality.

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It's a culture of protecting political minorities.

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It's a culture of democracy.

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And Republicans are constantly attacking it.

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So I just wanted to

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make it obvious that I don't despise this country.

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I don't want to destroy this country.

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I want what's best for it and I want what's best for its people.

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I think I did a

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relatively effective job.

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Who knows?

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Who knows?

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alright,

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you ready to go into the first clip?

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I think it's incredibly anti-American

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to deploy the military to cities

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of Democratic governors who you don't really support

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just based on lies of.

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Mass illegal immigrants rioting in the streets destroying America.

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I think it's absolutely ridiculous.

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imagine having standing armies.

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That's a very anti-American thing to do,

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correct?

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I don't think Democrats are looking to do that.

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that's not correct at all,

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because the Democrats,

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the National Guard being illegally deployed against the Constitution to Chicago.

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No,

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you made a claim.

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I can respond to the claim.

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Thank you,

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respond to the claim.

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Yes,

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it's true.

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Go to

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anyway,

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if you look at what was actually happening in.

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right?

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Washington DC,

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for example,

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one of the Democrat cities that had the National Guard enacted in it,

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the violent crime rate dropped drastically.

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Murders are at a record low under President Trump,

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and it's because he's actually using the law enforcement

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for the way that they're supposed to be used.

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We absolutely had riots that were burning down cities,

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and this is something that Democrat leaders allowed to happen.

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Look what was going on during BLM where white people.

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were being attacked out in the streets.

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You had COVID where people,

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people couldn't go to church,

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they couldn't go to school.

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Our education system was absolutely decimated,

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but for some reason they could go riot in the streets,

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something that we're seeing again,

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where when a woman gets held accountable for the

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fact she tried to run over police officers,

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you once again try to destroy the cities.

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What comes to mind seeing that first clip?

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The fact that it was not responsive,

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she automatically pivoted to Washington DC because the president did have

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some standing in that case to deploy the National Guard according to

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the laws of our country.

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I was directly citing

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use of or commandeering of

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states militias,

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so our National Guards to dominate Democrat states.

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We saw it in Illinois,

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we saw it in California.

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He tried to do so

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in Portland,

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Oregon.

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But she didn't address that directly.

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What she wanted to do was harp on the fact that crime rates dropped.

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I'm sure if you had people with guns walking the streets of our country,

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crime rates are likely to drop,

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but that's not responsive to what I was currently talking about in that moment,

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which was

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state's militias,

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state's national guards as a weapon

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to intimidate the people who are actively protesting

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his illegal policy.

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really speaks to their inability to make any concessions because if they do,

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the whole house of cards falls.

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if she admits to the president wielding the

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National Guard as a weapon to intimidate,

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then it's gonna look pretty bad on the party,

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look pretty bad on the president.

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it's not really surprised,

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very disappointed.

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Let's talk about concessions because I mean,

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so you and Maddie,

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you go at it for a for a little while.

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You're Gen Z,

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right?

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I,

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I don't even know how old you are.

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Maddie also,

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uh,

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she crosses me as someone relatively close to your age.

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I mean,

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you came of age during

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and so when you're going into these debates,

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you know,

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like you've got kind of a

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it's like a certain posture

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that you have,

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um,

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you're sighing

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as she's coming at you,

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she's coming in pretty tough.

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Do you feel like Gen Z

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has,

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I don't know,

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maybe a little bit more

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of a tough.

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Don't take shit

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like stance when it comes to political debate based on the,

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the time you grew up in.

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Definitely.

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I,

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I,

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I was for sure exhausted.

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I mean,

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hearing the same thing over and over again,

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hearing these people incapable of contending with the truth

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and living in a completely separate reality.

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I think it's,

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it,

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it,

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it really is exhausting.

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It makes me very tired.

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It's very much disheartening

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to hear somebody

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so passionate about something that is so devoid of any substance,

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so far from the reality that we live in.

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The truth is SCOTUS ruled

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that Donald Trump's deployment of the National Guard was illegal,

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it was unconstitutional,

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but

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no way to address it,

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of course,

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and she had her energy.

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She,

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she was obviously very,

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um,

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angry at me,

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passionate in,

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in some respects,

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I mean just having to hear it over and over again,

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especially by someone that's my age,

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it's incredibly disappointing.

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I think

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people in my generation have a responsibility to not make the same mistakes

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as our predecessors

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and leave the future generations with a country they can be

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proud of calling home and I think people like Matty,

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no disrespect to Matty,

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of course this is relatively rude,

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are holding us back.

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They're being aggressive.

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So you're talking about,

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you know,

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Trump deploying the National Guard.

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I,

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I think there's a lot of support behind the claim that he's been

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targeting,

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you don't have to support.

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I think he's literally said he's targeting

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cities,

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states where

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people

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have voted against him or that are

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blue coated,

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um,

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and,

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and making them

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kind of

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the places he wants to focus on immigration.

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Um,

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and,

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and,

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and such.

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I think you have a lot of support there.

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She brings up

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the riots and protests back in 2020,

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that's six years ago.

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It's

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honestly crazy to,

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to,

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to hear that.

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But I mean,

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you're saying that Trump's destroying America by

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specifically by what he's doing,

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you know,

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with how he's enforcing immigration,

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but you know,

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she's saying,

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hey,

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Democrats have been doing a lot to destroy America as well.

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Do you think there are key concessions that Democrats need to

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make or or own up to and we just like look at

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what is kind of a dumpster fire of the last decade,

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um,

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and where they have been,

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you know,

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wrong,

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or,

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or do you feel like it really all rests

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on.

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Republicans,

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I think Democrats failed in many respects over the last decade or so,

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and some,

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to some extent,

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I hold the Biden administration responsible for Donald Trump taking back power.

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As soon as he took office,

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he decided to

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kick his feet up on the desk and

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rest his head and say,

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oh,

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there's no need to communicate to the American people anymore,

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and Charlie Kirk was there

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to fill that void.

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Ben Shapiro was there to fill that void.

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Pundit,

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every member of the Trump administration,

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every member

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of every single think tank you could possibly think of

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filled that void,

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and people believe that Joe Biden and Kamala

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Harris are responsible for all of their inconveniences.

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I think that's definitely one of their faults,

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but

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with her criticism directly,

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Democrats disavowed the lawlessness.

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They disavowed the rooting,

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the looting,

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sorry,

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they disavowed any opportunistic actor that wanted to take advantage

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of a civil.

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Rights movement

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to benefit themselves by looting stores and making money off of it.

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I,

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I 100% don't support anybody breaking the law,

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but I do support the right to protest.

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So this idea that following

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the murder of an innocent man,

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an innocent black man,

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you can't go out

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and petition government for change.

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You can't go out and organize

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because of a curfew,

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I think that

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there are things that are bigger.

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Then staying at home and in a moment like that you want reform,

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you want positive change.

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I think you take to the streets and you tell the American government

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what is it that you want to see change in the country.

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So

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obviously

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with caution,

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especially in that moment during COVID-19,

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you don't want to spread the virus,

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right?

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But like I said,

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you see something so tragic,

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obviously you wanna go out and speak your mind.

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You have that right as long as you obviously follow the law.

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I never support anything

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that is in violation of the only Republicans do that.

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Um,

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no,

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I appreciate your thoughts on that.

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I mean,

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I gotta say I wish we had more time to just talk about protests.

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I gotta say like after living through recent history,

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I really strongly question the effectiveness of,

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of protest as like uh

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engagement mode,

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um,

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as a,

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a mode of political engagement.

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I would

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maybe one day we're gonna talk about that more,

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um,

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but yeah,

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I,

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I mean,

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I see it as there's like there's two sort of

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sins that were committed

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that.

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It's hard for both sides to own up on.

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I do think the lawlessness was

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glossed over

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by the left at that time or Democrats.

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Yeah,

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I remember people sharing like bail

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links to to to bail out certain people who had actually committed,

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you know,

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destruction or

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or violent crimes

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and you know then you have

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January 6th which

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you know these things sort of feel to me like very parallel instances.

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The left's like everybody stay inside,

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we gotta shut down schools,

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but wear a mask and it's OK to,

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you know,

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for

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tens of thousands of people to be marching in

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the streets a few feet apart from each other

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and yes it's mostly peaceful but.

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OK,

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yeah,

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we burned down a police station.

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Like that doesn't look good and that gets really

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tacked onto the left,

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but then,

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you know,

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we have Jan 6 and we just saw them all,

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everybody get a blanket pardon.

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And that was an insane situation as well.

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They both are kind of insane

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to me,

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and it seems like both sides are really

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struggling to make this concession of like,

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yes,

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we lost our minds.

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I agree,

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um,

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and I know

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it's difficult for me to agree at the same time,

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and I'm gonna tell you why,

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and I feel like that's the reason you can disagree with me.

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No,

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no,

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I,

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I think,

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I think there's a lot of trouble as hard as you want.

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Listen,

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I think it's very difficult.

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to swallow

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some level of accountability when the Republican Party,

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it's ingrained in their culture

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to never disavow the actions of their ilk,

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and you saw it on January 6th.

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If you go out

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and try and overthrow the government on the president's behalf,

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you're gonna get a blanket pardon.

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In the case of the Mueller report and the Russia,

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Russia,

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Russia hoax,

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that wasn't actually a hoax.

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Every single individual that

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was a part of that,

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every single senior campaign official,

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the majority of them received.

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Pardons even after they were convicted of crimes.

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And when you go to January 6th,

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all of his six co-conspirators,

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all outside counsel with no business

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trying to question an election

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or receive pardons.

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The president of the United States is uniquely corrupt,

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and

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they are uniquely incapable of holding

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themselves accountable because like I said,

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if they make any concessions,

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just imagine that

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you orchestrated a coup

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to overthrow the American government.

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It looks really bad,

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right?

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So

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when there's,

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there's that.

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Lack of accountability on the opposition side,

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free to go out and say,

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oh

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yes,

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these things were bad,

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yes,

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we take accountability,

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when in reality,

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I think that

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these things are

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not

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alike,

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um,

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at least

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not on a level playing field.

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It wasn't an attempt to,

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one is an attempt,

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sorry,

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to overthrow the government,

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the other is

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protests that went wrong.

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For sure,

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you should disavow that,

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but it's difficult when

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the onus is always put on Democrats to say I'm sorry for this,

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I'm sorry for that,

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and when Republicans do something wrong,

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I mean they just

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Gloss over it and completely ignore it,

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but at the end of the day,

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you want to win over the American people.

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You don't wanna,

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um,

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show it to the Republicans and be like,

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Oh,

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look at that.

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You can play that game.

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No.

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So if the American people want transparency,

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they want accountability,

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then Democrats should give it to them,

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and 100% I,

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I will never endorse anybody breaking the law

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and taking advantage of a civil rights movement.

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Um,

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it's all about being cautious.

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So you acknowledge there's this horseshoe element to it,

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but you don't think the horseshoe is balanced.

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Yes,

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100%.

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So I'm gonna share this in the next clip,

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um,

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with you and Maddie.

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You know,

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you brought up some of the shortcomings or failures of,

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of the Biden administration,

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and we,

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she kind of gets into that with you.

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So she talks about,

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you know,

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what she sees as an invasion

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of this country,

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uh,

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of mass

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undocumented immigration.

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What Trump was doing was absolutely lawful

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and thank God he's doing it because if you don't want dead Americans,

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you gotta stop the foreign invasion.

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Foreign invasion,

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that's ridiculous.

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Well,

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that's just

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no,

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I just legitimately thought that was funny.

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So if your primary concern is,

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again,

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like I said,

585
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Americans,

586
00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:32.870
then you're not going to conduct mass deportations

587
00:13:32.870 --> 00:13:35.120
because they result in more violent criminals being released

588
00:13:35.300 --> 00:13:36.990
because you're going to prioritize easy removals,

589
00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:39.670
which typically involves people that have been here for a long period of time,

590
00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:40.590
better working jobs,

591
00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:41.220
etc.

592
00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.260
who are easily caught and removed from the country.

593
00:13:43.280 --> 00:13:44.930
I want Immigration and Customs Enforcement

594
00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.820
to prioritize the criminals

595
00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:47.690
that killed Lake and Riley.

596
00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:49.470
That murdered Sheridan Gorman.

597
00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:51.030
I want cooperation between states.

598
00:13:51.160 --> 00:13:52.000
Republicans don't want that.

599
00:13:52.020 --> 00:13:55.140
They deployed thousands of immigration and Customs Enforcement officers

600
00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:56.030
to Minnesota

601
00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:57.460
and in order to remove them,

602
00:13:57.640 --> 00:13:59.950
they gave the governor an ultimatum

603
00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.030
where if you give your state's voter rolls and we'll remove ICE.

604
00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:04.310
It's a political pawn.

605
00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.070
They're weaponizing law enforcement to do the

606
00:14:06.070 --> 00:14:07.760
bidding of the president of the United States

607
00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:10.740
and 11 people have died in public as a result of that

608
00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:11.870
and then multiple.

609
00:14:11.980 --> 00:14:12.920
Died in detention

610
00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:17.800
and they've lost in the courts 19,000 times with 5000 due process violations.

611
00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:20.630
That is not enforcing the law that's violating it,

612
00:14:20.760 --> 00:14:22.710
it's no secret that the liberals unfortunately

613
00:14:22.710 --> 00:14:24.950
have taken over our so-called justice system.

614
00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:26.640
You're worried about violent criminals.

615
00:14:26.760 --> 00:14:28.580
Judges are now against Trump too,

616
00:14:28.640 --> 00:14:28.790
yeah,

617
00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.260
they are.

618
00:14:29.280 --> 00:14:30.360
And if you look at the system,

619
00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:30.950
one second,

620
00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:31.510
thank you.

621
00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.470
If you look at what the policies are of these liberal judges,

622
00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:36.080
what are they doing?

623
00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:37.540
They're allowing for,

624
00:14:37.880 --> 00:14:39.750
they're allowing for cashless bail.

625
00:14:39.810 --> 00:14:41.830
You said that you're worried about violent criminals getting out.

626
00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:42.790
Why aren't you worried about,

627
00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:43.590
for example,

628
00:14:43.750 --> 00:14:45.140
the person who murdered

629
00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:46.980
the person who murdered

630
00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.670
the Ukrainian refugee on the train?

631
00:14:49.880 --> 00:14:51.810
He was a violent criminal who had been let out,

632
00:14:54.280 --> 00:14:58.230
who had been let out by a liberal judge over 19 times.

633
00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:59.710
So do you think our country

634
00:15:00.580 --> 00:15:00.770
I mean,

635
00:15:00.860 --> 00:15:01.290
Maddie,

636
00:15:01.380 --> 00:15:02.660
she thinks our country's been invaded.

637
00:15:02.740 --> 00:15:03.320
What do you think?

638
00:15:03.460 --> 00:15:05.420
I think it's a pile of,

639
00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:05.690
um,

640
00:15:05.820 --> 00:15:07.610
I can't say the rest of the things I wanna say.

641
00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:08.490
It's not true.

642
00:15:08.610 --> 00:15:09.070
Just say it,

643
00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:09.260
David.

644
00:15:09.490 --> 00:15:09.650
Come on.

645
00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:11.050
That's what it is,

646
00:15:11.140 --> 00:15:11.210
yeah,

647
00:15:11.300 --> 00:15:11.340
no,

648
00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.010
100%.

649
00:15:12.060 --> 00:15:13.570
It's ridiculous that they,

650
00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:16.080
these people will ascribe malicious intent to

651
00:15:16.300 --> 00:15:18.290
millions of individuals that came about as a result

652
00:15:18.290 --> 00:15:21.720
of a set of very unexpected black swan events.

653
00:15:21.980 --> 00:15:22.450
For example,

654
00:15:22.660 --> 00:15:23.040
the

655
00:15:23.150 --> 00:15:26.030
destabilization of Venezuela is the biggest,

656
00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:26.750
um,

657
00:15:27.260 --> 00:15:29.970
one of the most destabilizing events in the history of our hemisphere.

658
00:15:30.580 --> 00:15:32.930
That led to at least I believe a million Venezuelans

659
00:15:32.930 --> 00:15:34.330
coming to our country as a result of it.

660
00:15:34.380 --> 00:15:35.370
There was COVID-19,

661
00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:38.120
mass instability across all of Central and South America.

662
00:15:38.380 --> 00:15:39.280
This idea that

663
00:15:39.500 --> 00:15:41.720
these people are coming over to destroy our country,

664
00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:45.640
yet you only have like one example or two examples or three examples of their

665
00:15:45.740 --> 00:15:46.290
violent

666
00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:46.760
nature,

667
00:15:46.900 --> 00:15:48.050
I think is absolutely ridiculous.

668
00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:48.780
The truth is,

669
00:15:48.800 --> 00:15:50.890
they want you to believe that your brown neighbor,

670
00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:52.240
that your Mexican neighbor,

671
00:15:52.420 --> 00:15:55.680
that anybody that doesn't look like you is here to destroy

672
00:15:55.830 --> 00:15:56.330
your life,

673
00:15:56.500 --> 00:15:57.210
to take your home,

674
00:15:57.330 --> 00:15:58.210
to take your daughters,

675
00:15:58.380 --> 00:15:59.210
to kill your daughters,

676
00:15:59.340 --> 00:15:59.670
to eat your

677
00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:00.640
Cats and dogs

678
00:16:00.740 --> 00:16:01.630
to take your welfare,

679
00:16:01.740 --> 00:16:03.530
to take everything you work so hard for so

680
00:16:03.530 --> 00:16:06.280
they can then justify their disgusting xenophobic policy.

681
00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:07.080
And I mean

682
00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:08.160
that that's what it is,

683
00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:08.450
you know,

684
00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:09.430
and for sure

685
00:16:09.610 --> 00:16:10.740
we need immigration reform.

686
00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:11.610
I don't disagree.

687
00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:14.450
We shouldn't have open borders so we can let all the criminals in.

688
00:16:14.660 --> 00:16:15.760
That's never my position.

689
00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:17.040
But this idea that

690
00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:18.300
tens of millions of people,

691
00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:19.450
Donald Trump is saying 1 week,

692
00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:19.890
15,

693
00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:20.850
then 25 million,

694
00:16:20.900 --> 00:16:21.580
30 million,

695
00:16:21.780 --> 00:16:21.970
it's,

696
00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:22.950
it's bullshit.

697
00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:24.440
It's obvious that

698
00:16:24.930 --> 00:16:25.840
messaging

699
00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:29.170
from coming from Vance and Trump has been using.

700
00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:31.860
Immigrants as as a scapegoat,

701
00:16:31.970 --> 00:16:32.530
uh,

702
00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:34.770
this immi immigrants,

703
00:16:35.030 --> 00:16:38.400
especially illegal immigrants are the reason everything's so effed up.

704
00:16:38.750 --> 00:16:40.650
That is clearly been the messaging

705
00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:42.510
on the flip side though,

706
00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:42.900
I,

707
00:16:43.030 --> 00:16:45.070
I don't think data supports that there's like a,

708
00:16:45.190 --> 00:16:45.350
a,

709
00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:47.550
a wave of illegal immi

710
00:16:47.940 --> 00:16:49.840
immigration crime happening,

711
00:16:49.950 --> 00:16:50.250
but

712
00:16:50.430 --> 00:16:52.540
a wave of illegal immigration.

713
00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:53.730
I mean,

714
00:16:54.140 --> 00:16:56.780
it does seem like that happened under Biden

715
00:16:56.950 --> 00:16:57.790
and Kamala.

716
00:16:58.060 --> 00:16:58.410
Um,

717
00:16:58.670 --> 00:16:59.230
I,

718
00:16:59.430 --> 00:17:01.150
last number I looked up was like

719
00:17:01.590 --> 00:17:03.270
estimates of 10 million

720
00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:05.930
came across the border during the Biden administration.

721
00:17:06.270 --> 00:17:06.540
You know,

722
00:17:06.560 --> 00:17:06.930
that

723
00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:07.420
I,

724
00:17:07.589 --> 00:17:08.859
I don't know if my math is right,

725
00:17:08.910 --> 00:17:10.930
but that's like 2% of the US

726
00:17:11.310 --> 00:17:11.730
population.

727
00:17:11.829 --> 00:17:12.490
Like that's,

728
00:17:12.750 --> 00:17:13.500
that's huge.

729
00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:14.790
What were they thinking?

730
00:17:15.730 --> 00:17:15.869
Yeah,

731
00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:16.460
so

732
00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:18.700
those are the border encounter numbers

733
00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.119
when these people are talking about illegal immigrants.

734
00:17:21.140 --> 00:17:24.300
They're referring to people that managed to get past Immigration and Customs

735
00:17:24.300 --> 00:17:27.440
Enforcement when it comes to internal enforcement or CBP at the border.

736
00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.470
That estimates ranging anywhere from 2 to 3 million gotaways.

737
00:17:30.600 --> 00:17:32.820
So there's not tens of millions of illegals.

738
00:17:33.040 --> 00:17:33.920
These encounters are

739
00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:35.150
how can we be?

740
00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:35.430
You've,

741
00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.220
you've seen those videos like where it's just like

742
00:17:38.510 --> 00:17:39.630
people just walking across,

743
00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:40.030
right,

744
00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:41.270
not,

745
00:17:41.320 --> 00:17:41.910
not lined up.

746
00:17:42.090 --> 00:17:43.290
Like walking across,

747
00:17:43.550 --> 00:17:43.640
yeah,

748
00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:43.920
so,

749
00:17:44.060 --> 00:17:45.080
so in those scenarios,

750
00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:46.630
like what is expected of

751
00:17:46.770 --> 00:17:47.880
CBP to do in that moment?

752
00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:48.040
Like,

753
00:17:48.130 --> 00:17:48.690
do you wanna just,

754
00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:49.070
like,

755
00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:49.320
for,

756
00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:49.750
for example,

757
00:17:49.850 --> 00:17:51.890
I know a lot of people tend to bring up people swimming across

758
00:17:51.890 --> 00:17:54.130
the rivers and they're just looking at them do it and recording it.

759
00:17:54.340 --> 00:17:54.440
Well,

760
00:17:54.530 --> 00:17:54.600
yeah,

761
00:17:54.650 --> 00:17:57.080
you're not gonna shoot at a person swimming across the river.

762
00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.590
You're going to detain them once they're in a safe position

763
00:17:59.810 --> 00:18:02.630
and determine whether or not they can be granted some kind of,

764
00:18:02.770 --> 00:18:02.880
uh,

765
00:18:03.100 --> 00:18:05.520
protected status or if they can apply for asylum or if

766
00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:07.320
they're just gonna be sent back to their country of origin.

767
00:18:07.570 --> 00:18:09.900
The Biden administration did conduct expulsions.

768
00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.260
This idea that they didn't deport anybody is not true.

769
00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.020
There was a lot of asylum claims,

770
00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:14.280
uh,

771
00:18:14.410 --> 00:18:16.880
because a lot of people ended up fitting the criteria in that era.

772
00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.710
Does that mean that some people did so with malicious intent?

773
00:18:19.760 --> 00:18:21.620
Of course that opens the door to that possibility,

774
00:18:21.830 --> 00:18:24.180
but I think that when we focus on this idea of

775
00:18:24.310 --> 00:18:24.790
invasion,

776
00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:27.120
this invasion that they're coming over to destroy our country,

777
00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:30.260
it prevents us from actually bringing about a sensible solution

778
00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.270
like establishing more or appointing,

779
00:18:32.320 --> 00:18:32.430
sorry,

780
00:18:32.520 --> 00:18:33.580
more immigration judges

781
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:34.990
so we can chop at that backlog.

782
00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.210
Passing real comprehensive policy

783
00:18:37.360 --> 00:18:38.560
to make it more efficient

784
00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.920
and not less safe to get into this country.

785
00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:42.750
So therefore we don't have millions of illegal

786
00:18:42.750 --> 00:18:44.800
immigrants coming in here at a time of crisis

787
00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.020
and really making

788
00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.360
an unsafe situation a real crisis

789
00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:50.050
out of our immigration system.

790
00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:51.460
We need change

791
00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.630
and when we constantly use immigrants as an

792
00:18:54.630 --> 00:18:57.660
external locus responsible for all of our inconveniences,

793
00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:58.820
I think that's really

794
00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.030
hindering us from actually bringing about that positive

795
00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:02.550
change that the country's in desperate need for.

796
00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.230
Yeah,

797
00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:04.260
and that's a very

798
00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:05.950
sensible answer and I,

799
00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:06.780
I think I,

800
00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:07.830
I agree with,

801
00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:10.720
I think most people would agree with a lot of what you just said.

802
00:19:11.360 --> 00:19:11.470
I,

803
00:19:11.560 --> 00:19:12.270
I just wonder,

804
00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:12.630
you know,

805
00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.840
there's part of me that kind of wonders why

806
00:19:15.080 --> 00:19:17.060
leading democratic voices

807
00:19:17.410 --> 00:19:17.950
aren't

808
00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:19.210
throwing

809
00:19:20.580 --> 00:19:25.310
The Biden administration under the bus more because it sometimes feels to me

810
00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:31.680
like the pattern is Democratic leadership fails on an issue so catastrophically

811
00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:32.320
and

812
00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.880
I do think you could probably characterize how

813
00:19:36.100 --> 00:19:39.850
the Biden administration handled the border or just sort of refused to handle it,

814
00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:41.160
not that they didn't.

815
00:19:41.630 --> 00:19:42.210
You know,

816
00:19:42.830 --> 00:19:43.670
send people back,

817
00:19:43.750 --> 00:19:44.220
but they just,

818
00:19:44.310 --> 00:19:45.650
they really did not

819
00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:48.130
try to cut down

820
00:19:48.350 --> 00:19:50.320
how many people were crossing illegally.

821
00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:51.540
It doesn't seem to me.

822
00:19:51.750 --> 00:19:51.820
Yeah,

823
00:19:51.870 --> 00:19:52.740
it was relatively late.

824
00:19:52.830 --> 00:19:52.980
They,

825
00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:55.160
they had some attempts via the legislature,

826
00:19:55.310 --> 00:19:57.900
but it was only after a couple of years in his

827
00:19:57.900 --> 00:20:00.960
last year in office where he exercised executive authority to really

828
00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:05.030
crack down the amount of entries or people entering in the US-Mexico border,

829
00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:06.090
and I think.

830
00:20:06.450 --> 00:20:08.150
Just to kind of finish my thought,

831
00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.810
I just feel like it's like

832
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:13.980
you fail so hard on something you allow it to become a political football

833
00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:15.230
and then they

834
00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.040
it can be supercharged

835
00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:17.560
with,

836
00:20:17.580 --> 00:20:18.010
you know,

837
00:20:18.320 --> 00:20:21.350
more messaging than is actually true and now we're

838
00:20:21.350 --> 00:20:24.500
seeing all these people who I feel so terrible for

839
00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.150
who are just in limbo and are just getting shoved through,

840
00:20:28.360 --> 00:20:28.580
you know,

841
00:20:28.600 --> 00:20:31.150
deportation process without a fair.

842
00:20:31.750 --> 00:20:32.020
Uh,

843
00:20:32.270 --> 00:20:33.380
hearing and it's,

844
00:20:33.510 --> 00:20:33.900
you know,

845
00:20:33.950 --> 00:20:34.140
it's,

846
00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:35.430
it's so tragic,

847
00:20:35.550 --> 00:20:37.860
but it's like I keep coming back to this thing,

848
00:20:38.030 --> 00:20:39.640
this horseshoe feeling of just like,

849
00:20:39.710 --> 00:20:40.180
OK,

850
00:20:40.790 --> 00:20:41.610
one side fails,

851
00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:43.460
the other side takes advantage of it,

852
00:20:43.510 --> 00:20:44.530
and then they

853
00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:46.190
do something reprehensible

854
00:20:46.410 --> 00:20:47.940
because they were given the opportunity.

855
00:20:48.750 --> 00:20:49.560
And I think you're right.

856
00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:51.170
I don't know why

857
00:20:51.550 --> 00:20:53.940
Democrats are not going out and disavowing

858
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:56.140
the Biden administration and criticizing Joe Biden.

859
00:20:56.230 --> 00:20:58.690
I think Joe Biden's ego got in the way of a lot of things,

860
00:20:58.830 --> 00:21:00.590
and Joe Biden failed in some respects.

861
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.700
Was it his ego?

862
00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:05.170
You can tell I've been on paternity leave because I have so many thoughts.

863
00:21:05.790 --> 00:21:05.940
Well,

864
00:21:06.110 --> 00:21:06.300
well,

865
00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:08.260
was it his ego or was he just too old,

866
00:21:08.390 --> 00:21:08.780
man?

867
00:21:09.110 --> 00:21:11.500
I think when it came to him running in 2024,

868
00:21:11.550 --> 00:21:12.610
it was definitely his ego.

869
00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:12.740
Uh,

870
00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:15.380
there's some internal reporting that makes me believe that's the case as well.

871
00:21:15.510 --> 00:21:17.490
And as it pertains to his immigration policy

872
00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:18.250
and

873
00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:19.980
him being silent on the matter,

874
00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:22.270
almost ignorant to what was going on in the country,

875
00:21:22.510 --> 00:21:24.010
in the eyes of the American people,

876
00:21:24.230 --> 00:21:27.290
I think that calls for some level of condemnation

877
00:21:27.430 --> 00:21:28.790
because you're supposed to give voters.

878
00:21:29.560 --> 00:21:32.410
reassurance that you're not going to make the same mistakes

879
00:21:32.520 --> 00:21:34.750
as those that came before you and when you're not disavowing,

880
00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:35.890
when you're not criticizing

881
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.530
for the purpose of making your party look as perfect as possible,

882
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.060
it does the opposite in the minds of the American people.

883
00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:44.420
They want transparency and they want to trust their representative.

884
00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:48.340
And when you know something went wrong and you're not saying anything about it,

885
00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.020
I think at that point you're kind of

886
00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:51.280
shooting yourself in the foot.

887
00:21:52.550 --> 00:21:52.900
Yeah,

888
00:21:52.990 --> 00:21:53.560
and

889
00:21:53.870 --> 00:21:55.950
what was going on with the Biden administration.

890
00:21:56.310 --> 00:21:58.810
It seems to me like it was a combination of

891
00:21:59.260 --> 00:21:59.610
a

892
00:21:59.750 --> 00:22:03.160
family that shielded outsiders from having access

893
00:22:03.270 --> 00:22:04.050
to him,

894
00:22:04.550 --> 00:22:04.660
you know,

895
00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:05.420
that being Jill,

896
00:22:05.550 --> 00:22:06.490
that being Hunter,

897
00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:09.470
like he operated with a tight

898
00:22:10.560 --> 00:22:11.210
Grip

899
00:22:11.570 --> 00:22:12.560
from his family

900
00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:13.720
and then

901
00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:15.220
he was just old.

902
00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:18.560
This is not the Joe Biden of

903
00:22:19.060 --> 00:22:21.060
the early 2000s and

904
00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:24.880
I think that was a combination where a lot of things really

905
00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:27.700
were not addressed or handled

906
00:22:27.820 --> 00:22:29.050
by competent

907
00:22:29.340 --> 00:22:32.480
hands as much as Democratic voters

908
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:33.950
assumed

909
00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:34.940
they were.

910
00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:37.570
And so I think that created a lot of opportunities,

911
00:22:37.620 --> 00:22:37.880
but

912
00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:39.800
Moving on,

913
00:22:40.050 --> 00:22:40.400
uh.

914
00:22:41.820 --> 00:22:41.970
Yeah,

915
00:22:42.100 --> 00:22:42.210
yeah,

916
00:22:42.340 --> 00:22:42.710
but that,

917
00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:45.560
that's sort of what I wonder when we talk about like this concessions is,

918
00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:50.190
are we so entrenched in political loyalty or is the fundraising

919
00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:56.800
fundraising system so reliant on the big names of the past administrations

920
00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:58.320
that we don't

921
00:22:59.100 --> 00:22:59.810
start clean,

922
00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:00.090
you know,

923
00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:00.630
like,

924
00:23:00.940 --> 00:23:02.450
and maybe we'll see this when we kind of

925
00:23:02.450 --> 00:23:05.480
pivot from midterms to a presidential election cycle is

926
00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:07.070
why can't a Democrat just be like,

927
00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:09.200
I disavow everything Joe Biden did.

928
00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:10.530
He sucks.

929
00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:11.820
And then be like,

930
00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:13.380
but I also disavow what Trump's doing,

931
00:23:13.430 --> 00:23:13.660
you know,

932
00:23:13.830 --> 00:23:15.980
and like give people this opportunity and be like,

933
00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:16.310
oh,

934
00:23:16.870 --> 00:23:17.020
you know,

935
00:23:17.070 --> 00:23:18.570
because you hear every election like,

936
00:23:18.670 --> 00:23:18.790
oh,

937
00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:19.490
both sides,

938
00:23:19.630 --> 00:23:20.890
both options suck.

939
00:23:21.390 --> 00:23:23.420
So why isn't somebody coming in and kind of like

940
00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:24.790
positioning themselves that way?

941
00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:25.550
Maybe they will.

942
00:23:26.110 --> 00:23:27.260
James Salarico,

943
00:23:28.060 --> 00:23:28.770
just saying,

944
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.000
moving on to the next

945
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:30.730
clip.

946
00:23:31.340 --> 00:23:32.050
individual's right to vote.

947
00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:32.290
You

948
00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:33.130
downplaying it

949
00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:34.360
downplaying what

950
00:23:34.580 --> 00:23:36.770
you downplayed us when you walked into this room

951
00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:37.740
as Americans

952
00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:40.090
you will defend illegal immigrants.

953
00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:40.820
You will defend.

954
00:23:41.060 --> 00:23:41.530
I love this country.

955
00:23:41.610 --> 00:23:42.330
You're not a patriot.

956
00:23:43.290 --> 00:23:44.120
what I'm talking about.

957
00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:44.340
Yeah,

958
00:23:44.450 --> 00:23:45.680
do you think voting rights are talking?

959
00:23:45.850 --> 00:23:45.920
I

960
00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:46.090
literally

961
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:46.410
stop

962
00:23:46.930 --> 00:23:47.080
guys,

963
00:23:47.170 --> 00:23:47.320
guys,

964
00:23:47.450 --> 00:23:47.840
we can't,

965
00:23:47.890 --> 00:23:49.200
we can't hear you guys if you talk over each other.

966
00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:50.300
I know he needs to address my point.

967
00:23:50.450 --> 00:23:51.330
He won't let me talk.

968
00:23:51.850 --> 00:23:52.090
Got some

969
00:23:52.340 --> 00:23:52.520
bullshit.

970
00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:53.200
Address my point.

971
00:23:53.660 --> 00:23:54.480
Let him some bullshit.

972
00:23:54.540 --> 00:23:54.600
Yeah,

973
00:23:54.930 --> 00:23:54.990
sorry,

974
00:23:55.460 --> 00:23:57.260
unless I know you're close to Trump and your own

975
00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:59.010
show is telling you to let him address your

976
00:23:59.160 --> 00:23:59.370
claim.

977
00:23:59.730 --> 00:24:00.520
Oh,

978
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:01.200
got

979
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:01.410
him.

980
00:24:02.690 --> 00:24:03.790
They're trying to hype you up behind me.

981
00:24:03.810 --> 00:24:04.880
You're doing a shit job.

982
00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:06.490
David,

983
00:24:06.620 --> 00:24:07.850
what's going on here?

984
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:08.970
What are we doing?

985
00:24:09.540 --> 00:24:09.940
Listen,

986
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:10.410
listen,

987
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:10.750
listen,

988
00:24:10.820 --> 00:24:11.770
let me explain myself.

989
00:24:11.860 --> 00:24:13.400
I know Carson Carpenter

990
00:24:13.650 --> 00:24:15.350
before I did the surrounding,

991
00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:16.310
and I was very aware

992
00:24:16.660 --> 00:24:17.160
about that.

993
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:18.070
Yeah,

994
00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:18.270
uh,

995
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:18.670
well,

996
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:18.890
I,

997
00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:20.190
I didn't know him personally,

998
00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.060
but I knew of him,

999
00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:21.390
right?

1000
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.270
So I saw him debate Micah Irfan,

1001
00:24:23.310 --> 00:24:24.140
a number of

1002
00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:25.190
Adam Mackler,

1003
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:25.980
for example,

1004
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:28.460
and I just knew he was incredibly evasive and dishonest,

1005
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:29.750
and people like that,

1006
00:24:30.270 --> 00:24:31.910
especially when confronted with serious

1007
00:24:31.910 --> 00:24:34.540
questions of violating our Constitution and

1008
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.480
the deprivation of rights and destroying the American American democracy.

1009
00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:41.720
You're non-responsive and you're just brushing it off.

1010
00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:44.070
Obviously running cover for the administration that's

1011
00:24:44.070 --> 00:24:45.420
doing so much harm to Americans.

1012
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.870
I think you look at politics like a game and that shit pisses me off.

1013
00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:50.830
So it was very much vitriolic

1014
00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:51.920
as soon as I said,

1015
00:24:52.360 --> 00:24:52.910
I was surprised.

1016
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.510
I didn't even remember saying that myself.

1017
00:24:54.600 --> 00:24:56.750
I believe we have a 10-minute conversation at the end as well,

1018
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:57.000
uh,

1019
00:24:57.120 --> 00:24:58.550
and I feel like that was a bit more respectful,

1020
00:24:58.640 --> 00:24:59.470
a lot more cordial,

1021
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.010
but

1022
00:25:00.330 --> 00:25:01.190
In that moment,

1023
00:25:01.330 --> 00:25:04.150
I think it perfectly encompasses the,

1024
00:25:04.370 --> 00:25:07.320
the internal anger I have for a lot of people who just

1025
00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:09.930
disregard what's happening in our country and treat politics like a game,

1026
00:25:09.970 --> 00:25:11.320
and I guess it manifests in real time

1027
00:25:11.530 --> 00:25:12.400
whether or not it's good or bad

1028
00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:12.750
luck.

1029
00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:14.430
You don't think it's a game because I mean,

1030
00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.670
I mean what we're doing here,

1031
00:25:16.850 --> 00:25:17.070
I mean,

1032
00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:20.400
I helped come up with this format and so like there's a game like.

1033
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.560
Quality to this and I don't necessarily think that that's totally wrong.

1034
00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:26.470
I wanna make sure that we're not getting like lost in the sauce

1035
00:25:26.490 --> 00:25:29.840
as like we continue to make political content on Jubilee is like,

1036
00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:32.030
do you feel like you have to be

1037
00:25:32.290 --> 00:25:33.030
as tough

1038
00:25:33.370 --> 00:25:34.700
because you have more of a following than me.

1039
00:25:34.770 --> 00:25:34.960
I mean,

1040
00:25:35.050 --> 00:25:35.460
I,

1041
00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:37.390
I've never really like made

1042
00:25:37.610 --> 00:25:40.520
carved out like my own following as a commentator.

1043
00:25:40.900 --> 00:25:42.450
I've helped create these formats,

1044
00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:44.760
but do you feel like you have to be

1045
00:25:45.100 --> 00:25:49.810
that tough as you appear and as combative as you appear in that clip

1046
00:25:50.300 --> 00:25:51.090
to

1047
00:25:51.780 --> 00:25:53.200
be recognized

1048
00:25:53.330 --> 00:25:54.650
in the political space,

1049
00:25:54.860 --> 00:25:55.360
especially

1050
00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:56.360
online right now?

1051
00:25:56.540 --> 00:25:58.100
I'm gonna be super honest with you.

1052
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:00.340
I'm not doing it because

1053
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.150
I think it's gonna give me more engagement.

1054
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:03.040
It definitely has,

1055
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.360
and the vitriol definitely has given me more,

1056
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:05.540
uh,

1057
00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:05.750
uh,

1058
00:26:05.800 --> 00:26:08.700
has opened a lot of people's eyes to me and it has put me on their feeds.

1059
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:10.870
But I think my biggest issue,

1060
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:11.350
uh,

1061
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.980
before I started doing this

1062
00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:16.040
post 2024 election January of 2025

1063
00:26:16.350 --> 00:26:16.940
was

1064
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.590
whenever I saw commentators speaking to some of

1065
00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:21.110
the most deplorable people in our country,

1066
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.870
they'd offer them some semblance of respect,

1067
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.950
and I don't think they deserve it.

1068
00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:25.060
I believe,

1069
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:25.790
obviously,

1070
00:26:25.870 --> 00:26:26.630
if you're a Republican,

1071
00:26:26.760 --> 00:26:28.160
I have no issue with you being a Republican.

1072
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.230
We need an opposition party.

1073
00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:30.510
I don't want a one-party state.

1074
00:26:30.540 --> 00:26:31.310
It's not mob rule,

1075
00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:32.270
it's not majority rule.

1076
00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:35.180
It's America and they're supposed to be opposing views

1077
00:26:35.310 --> 00:26:37.350
coming together across both aisles to make

1078
00:26:37.350 --> 00:26:38.670
the best product for the American people.

1079
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.630
I'm not against that.

1080
00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:40.460
But

1081
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.860
when we have been so desensitized

1082
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.020
and allowed for some of the worst people

1083
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.980
to be given some level of legitimacy in the discourse,

1084
00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:48.780
I think

1085
00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:49.550
we're going,

1086
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:49.770
we're,

1087
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:50.990
we're doing something really wrong.

1088
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.190
So whenever I'm talking to somebody like Carpenter,

1089
00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:53.970
who is,

1090
00:26:54.120 --> 00:26:54.910
in my opinion,

1091
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.180
a white nationalist,

1092
00:26:56.520 --> 00:26:59.070
who's talking about protecting American demographics

1093
00:26:59.070 --> 00:27:00.480
and how if you import immigrants,

1094
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.660
America will no longer be America cause it's about white people and white,

1095
00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:06.040
I think that kind of person is a loser.

1096
00:27:06.350 --> 00:27:07.810
Who doesn't deserve respect.

1097
00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:10.320
My approach isn't the same for every single person in that circle.

1098
00:27:10.540 --> 00:27:12.230
It changes depending on the individual.

1099
00:27:12.540 --> 00:27:14.810
I want to shift the Overton window back to the

1100
00:27:14.810 --> 00:27:17.680
point where somebody like Carson would not be looked at

1101
00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:20.650
as an individual that deserves deserves respect.

1102
00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:23.440
I believe that people need to have normal conversations.

1103
00:27:23.620 --> 00:27:25.600
We're so far from there

1104
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:26.610
right now,

1105
00:27:26.780 --> 00:27:27.320
but like.

1106
00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:29.030
I,

1107
00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:29.860
I just

1108
00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:30.510
look,

1109
00:27:30.710 --> 00:27:30.770
hey,

1110
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.720
I like you and uh you're gonna do your thing.

1111
00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:33.680
I'm not saying I'm right,

1112
00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:34.220
but

1113
00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:38.940
I just don't know and like I got a similar sense with Dean like when I saw Dean on set

1114
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:39.830
and I mean

1115
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.360
Dean's endurance to like do those debates was,

1116
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:43.420
was really impressive.

1117
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.930
Like

1118
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:44.660
I,

1119
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:44.870
I,

1120
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.790
I acknowledge that there's a skill and there's a craft

1121
00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:48.860
to being

1122
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:50.400
as quick with words and as,

1123
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.490
as confident with your arguments as,

1124
00:27:52.560 --> 00:27:53.750
as someone like him is.

1125
00:27:54.550 --> 00:27:55.940
But you can almost hear,

1126
00:27:56.050 --> 00:27:58.830
you can see him like kind of cracking his neck and his knuckles like,

1127
00:27:58.930 --> 00:28:00.800
like almost like he's a fighter,

1128
00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:01.120
you know,

1129
00:28:01.270 --> 00:28:02.320
a conflict is,

1130
00:28:02.450 --> 00:28:03.330
is important.

1131
00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:04.290
We should

1132
00:28:04.690 --> 00:28:05.760
debate and argue,

1133
00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:08.570
and I come from a family that had a lot of big arguments.

1134
00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:10.270
I enjoy that to a degree.

1135
00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:13.630
I want to make sure that the WWE part isn't

1136
00:28:13.770 --> 00:28:16.720
eclipsing the like substance and sometimes.

1137
00:28:17.550 --> 00:28:17.750
It,

1138
00:28:17.790 --> 00:28:19.620
it would take someone like you to just be like,

1139
00:28:19.710 --> 00:28:20.020
look,

1140
00:28:20.350 --> 00:28:21.500
I think your ideas are shit,

1141
00:28:21.670 --> 00:28:23.660
but I guess I kind of like you as a person

1142
00:28:23.790 --> 00:28:24.590
even though you,

1143
00:28:24.790 --> 00:28:24.980
you,

1144
00:28:25.110 --> 00:28:28.470
you're white nationalist adjacent in my mind like

1145
00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:29.210
let's

1146
00:28:30.190 --> 00:28:31.900
let's try and build something here to,

1147
00:28:31.990 --> 00:28:33.740
to see where there's a shared threat.

1148
00:28:33.830 --> 00:28:34.450
I Yeah,

1149
00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:36.410
it just seems like nobody wants to do that right now.

1150
00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:37.250
And you're right,

1151
00:28:37.340 --> 00:28:37.450
I,

1152
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:37.650
I,

1153
00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:38.250
that's the thing,

1154
00:28:38.500 --> 00:28:41.070
it takes two to tango and there needs to be that mutual respect.

1155
00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:42.620
A person like Carpenter doesn't respect me,

1156
00:28:42.810 --> 00:28:42.930
right?

1157
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.250
They,

1158
00:28:43.340 --> 00:28:46.970
they think I'm some woke loser Democrat that wants to destroy America.

1159
00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:48.550
I think the same thing of somebody like

1160
00:28:48.550 --> 00:28:50.760
Carson Carpenter who's running cover for the administration.

1161
00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:53.000
So I guess it's up to the viewer to determine

1162
00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:55.810
who is being honest and who is being dishonest in this scenario.

1163
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.820
I'm not in favor of the president in power is destroying our country.

1164
00:28:58.980 --> 00:28:59.570
He is.

1165
00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:02.670
And I mean I guess I'll leave the rest up to the interpretation.

1166
00:29:02.760 --> 00:29:02.860
Uh,

1167
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:03.820
listen,

1168
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:04.310
I agree though.

1169
00:29:04.390 --> 00:29:04.400
I,

1170
00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:04.540
I,

1171
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.070
as a matter of fact,

1172
00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:07.100
a lot of people when I stream or when I produce content

1173
00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:08.420
do call me out in some,

1174
00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:10.230
in some cases for the animosity,

1175
00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:11.070
for the energy,

1176
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:11.710
and it depends,

1177
00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:11.930
man.

1178
00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:12.120
I,

1179
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.580
I

1180
00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:13.330
sometimes

1181
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.310
it's like second

1182
00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:14.780
nature.

1183
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.020
There's a posture you can see it.

1184
00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:19.230
It's like your arms and your shoulders.

1185
00:29:20.550 --> 00:29:20.740
OK,

1186
00:29:20.870 --> 00:29:21.260
so let's,

1187
00:29:21.350 --> 00:29:22.690
let's move on to,

1188
00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:24.260
to the next little bit.

1189
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:24.690
So,

1190
00:29:24.830 --> 00:29:24.980
you know,

1191
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.010
we've been talking about

1192
00:29:26.510 --> 00:29:28.700
some of the errors that Democrats made in the

1193
00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:30.690
past and we're specifically kind of harping on,

1194
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:32.170
on the Biden administration.

1195
00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:33.150
But now,

1196
00:29:33.310 --> 00:29:34.930
this is the most interesting,

1197
00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:35.540
uh,

1198
00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:37.260
cleavage in politics right now,

1199
00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:38.860
which is like the past

1200
00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:41.660
Democratic Party and the future Democratic Party

1201
00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:42.620
in my mind.

1202
00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:45.610
So let's just assume Donald Trump truly is

1203
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:49.100
the sun is setting on his political era.

1204
00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:52.320
Either he doesn't run because he can't,

1205
00:29:52.350 --> 00:29:55.690
even though he wants to keep that as ambiguous as possible,

1206
00:29:56.520 --> 00:29:57.670
but he's certainly

1207
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.510
very old.

1208
00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:01.150
So there are forces that are going to bring

1209
00:30:01.150 --> 00:30:04.290
down the curtain on his dominant era of politics.

1210
00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:04.800
And so

1211
00:30:05.530 --> 00:30:07.910
What is the Democratic Party gonna be

1212
00:30:08.370 --> 00:30:08.870
tomorrow

1213
00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:11.810
and this idea of like what kind of progressive are you came up.

1214
00:30:11.890 --> 00:30:12.670
Let's watch this clip.

1215
00:30:12.890 --> 00:30:14.470
You're voting in November for what?

1216
00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:15.370
I voted for Democrats.

1217
00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:15.480
No,

1218
00:30:15.570 --> 00:30:15.640
no,

1219
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.070
but like you're voting for what the like Senate positions,

1220
00:30:18.110 --> 00:30:19.900
every single governor person that you're voting for in the Republican.

1221
00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:21.720
Do you realize that that's like a generalization fallacy,

1222
00:30:21.740 --> 00:30:21.900
right?

1223
00:30:22.290 --> 00:30:22.880
It is because you're,

1224
00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:23.600
you're essentially,

1225
00:30:23.770 --> 00:30:24.880
you're saying that from a policy perspective.

1226
00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:25.800
Perspective

1227
00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:28.380
that the Republican Party is in lockstep with

1228
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.750
the President of the United States who,

1229
00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:30.660
as I stated earlier,

1230
00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.010
he didn't want to talk about the case

1231
00:30:32.110 --> 00:30:34.390
is openly trying to disenfranchise one third of the

1232
00:30:34.390 --> 00:30:36.070
American public from participating in but here's what

1233
00:30:36.070 --> 00:30:37.920
I'm getting at you're talking about American values.

1234
00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:40.660
Is it Ameri is it an American value to abolish capitalism?

1235
00:30:41.030 --> 00:30:41.220
Uh,

1236
00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:41.670
no.

1237
00:30:41.870 --> 00:30:44.690
Is it an American value to have government owned grocery stores?

1238
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.980
I wouldn't necessarily say so.

1239
00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:48.470
I mean there's some government intervention.

1240
00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:52.720
I don't think that's necessarily is it American value to abolish the police

1241
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:53.850
and to defund,

1242
00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:54.120
uh,

1243
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:54.350
you know,

1244
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:55.700
to abolish prisons.

1245
00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:57.760
So what I what I'm getting at is that

1246
00:30:57.760 --> 00:30:59.920
you have the Democrats attacking the core of America.

1247
00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:00.860
I disagree with the policy

1248
00:31:01.010 --> 00:31:01.560
and what I'm getting at

1249
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.600
Democrat policy so you you are you a progressive,

1250
00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:04.320
uh,

1251
00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:05.240
liberal progressive,

1252
00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:05.500
yeah,

1253
00:31:05.530 --> 00:31:05.760
OK,

1254
00:31:05.850 --> 00:31:07.940
so what part of the progressive agenda

1255
00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:09.310
is pro-America because

1256
00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:10.580
when I see the progressive

1257
00:31:11.050 --> 00:31:11.720
agenda

1258
00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:13.500
and people that call themselves progressive,

1259
00:31:13.870 --> 00:31:16.800
I see a list of policy that is so anti-American that honestly

1260
00:31:16.800 --> 00:31:19.490
if you guys were being truthful to yourself you would call yourselves regressives

1261
00:31:19.650 --> 00:31:21.950
because all that that that entire policy prescription

1262
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.720
price controls government owned.

1263
00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:24.590
Uh,

1264
00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:26.430
grocery stores or institutions,

1265
00:31:26.570 --> 00:31:26.640
oh,

1266
00:31:26.690 --> 00:31:27.230
you're not.

1267
00:31:27.330 --> 00:31:29.760
So what part of the progressive agenda is pro-America?

1268
00:31:29.850 --> 00:31:30.480
Please enlighten me.

1269
00:31:30.650 --> 00:31:31.990
So I know you want a burden shift,

1270
00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:33.240
but if our issue,

1271
00:31:33.330 --> 00:31:34.520
if our issue is communism,

1272
00:31:34.610 --> 00:31:37.000
the president of the United States directly used chipsack

1273
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.840
funds to take public ownership of American companies,

1274
00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:39.120
and he,

1275
00:31:39.170 --> 00:31:39.450
and,

1276
00:31:39.730 --> 00:31:41.020
and we can have disagreements with that.

1277
00:31:41.050 --> 00:31:41.660
That's pretty communist.

1278
00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:41.850
The,

1279
00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:42.880
the que the question is though,

1280
00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:43.580
do Democrats,

1281
00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:44.640
would Democrats support that?

1282
00:31:44.810 --> 00:31:46.090
You have Bernie Sanders calling

1283
00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:46.920
Trump,

1284
00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:47.280
0,

1285
00:31:47.370 --> 00:31:48.040
10% is not enough.

1286
00:31:48.120 --> 00:31:48.800
Let's go to 50%.

1287
00:31:49.040 --> 00:31:49.260
Let's go.

1288
00:31:49.290 --> 00:31:50.220
So it's like the bidding is high.

1289
00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:50.700
No,

1290
00:31:50.750 --> 00:31:51.500
it's not one person.

1291
00:31:51.790 --> 00:31:52.980
The DSA does believe,

1292
00:31:53.190 --> 00:31:54.160
do you support the DSA?

1293
00:31:54.830 --> 00:31:55.950
It's not part of the Democrat Party.

1294
00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:58.500
So why are they reject the DSA wholeheartedly because they,

1295
00:31:58.630 --> 00:31:58.660
oh,

1296
00:31:58.790 --> 00:31:59.420
you're not,

1297
00:31:59.630 --> 00:32:01.240
but then you're not a progressive of our country.

1298
00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:02.180
But then you're not a progressive.

1299
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:03.020
I'm a social democrat.

1300
00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:03.810
All right,

1301
00:32:04.070 --> 00:32:05.020
we gotta go there.

1302
00:32:05.190 --> 00:32:06.260
The DSA,

1303
00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:07.730
Hassan,

1304
00:32:07.870 --> 00:32:08.690
all of it,

1305
00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:09.450
it's,

1306
00:32:09.630 --> 00:32:10.480
it's coming.

1307
00:32:10.630 --> 00:32:11.380
It's coming for you,

1308
00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:11.780
David.

1309
00:32:11.870 --> 00:32:13.180
What kind of progressive are you?

1310
00:32:13.310 --> 00:32:13.830
I think.

1311
00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:15.880
It's incredibly important to make a distinction

1312
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.120
between what it means to be progressive.

1313
00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:17.910
That's a very

1314
00:32:18.050 --> 00:32:21.190
catch-all term that can encompass a lot of people who just call

1315
00:32:21.190 --> 00:32:23.460
themselves a progressive for the sake of doing it cause it's popular,

1316
00:32:23.570 --> 00:32:23.650
right?

1317
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.320
It's something new,

1318
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.560
it's something different that breaks apart from the status quo.

1319
00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:28.650
I can be for expansion of social safety nets.

1320
00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:29.510
I can be for

1321
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.200
access,

1322
00:32:30.290 --> 00:32:32.370
universal access to healthcare and treating

1323
00:32:32.730 --> 00:32:35.240
American government as it having another responsibility

1324
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:36.790
apart from protecting your negative rights,

1325
00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:38.120
but having positive rights.

1326
00:32:38.260 --> 00:32:38.920
Things that they give.

1327
00:32:39.080 --> 00:32:39.300
You,

1328
00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:41.900
things that they guarantee you like access to healthcare,

1329
00:32:42.070 --> 00:32:42.210
education,

1330
00:32:42.310 --> 00:32:42.850
etc.

1331
00:32:43.110 --> 00:32:45.440
That in and of itself doesn't make me a member of the DSA.

1332
00:32:45.550 --> 00:32:47.900
That in and of itself doesn't make me a communist or a socialist.

1333
00:32:48.150 --> 00:32:49.620
There's a huge difference there and there's a big

1334
00:32:49.620 --> 00:32:52.170
gap between say me and a person like Hassan Piker

1335
00:32:52.310 --> 00:32:53.060
who says he wants,

1336
00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:54.940
he'd wipe his ass with the constitution,

1337
00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:56.330
who disregards,

1338
00:32:56.510 --> 00:32:56.700
uh,

1339
00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:56.860
uh,

1340
00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:58.010
a lot of the things that,

1341
00:32:58.070 --> 00:32:58.500
like I said,

1342
00:32:58.520 --> 00:32:59.020
are very,

1343
00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.650
very foundational level of this country.

1344
00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:02.180
And then the DSA policy platform,

1345
00:33:02.430 --> 00:33:03.980
they want to defang the Supreme Court.

1346
00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:05.840
Deprive it of its capacity

1347
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:06.990
of judicial review

1348
00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:08.850
and make it subordinate to the legislature.

1349
00:33:08.980 --> 00:33:10.030
I'm gonna disagree with that.

1350
00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:11.640
And if that's in the policy platform,

1351
00:33:11.980 --> 00:33:13.030
then I can't align

1352
00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:14.320
with that organization

1353
00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:16.130
for the same reasons I don't align with

1354
00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:17.550
Republicans and I was gonna tell George there,

1355
00:33:17.580 --> 00:33:18.810
but he just couldn't get his mouth shut.

1356
00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:21.840
I don't support anything that is gonna deprive

1357
00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:23.050
people of their rights,

1358
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.800
that is gonna take away protections from political minorities

1359
00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:27.040
and court's ability

1360
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:28.440
to hold the executive

1361
00:33:28.580 --> 00:33:29.720
and the um

1362
00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:31.030
legislative in check

1363
00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:33.300
is incredibly integral to that process,

1364
00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:34.260
to those protections.

1365
00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:34.680
So

1366
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:37.050
that's why I don't call myself a member of the DSA,

1367
00:33:37.100 --> 00:33:37.960
but does that mean I

1368
00:33:38.100 --> 00:33:39.700
wholeheartedly reject every single person?

1369
00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:40.130
Of course,

1370
00:33:40.300 --> 00:33:40.420
you know,

1371
00:33:40.540 --> 00:33:42.330
Zora Mamdani plays with the heartstrings sometimes.

1372
00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:43.650
I think he's doing pretty good stuff in New York.

1373
00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:44.220
AOC

1374
00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:45.730
doesn't look like a bad person.

1375
00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:47.760
She looks like she actually cares for the American people,

1376
00:33:47.860 --> 00:33:48.080
but

1377
00:33:48.450 --> 00:33:50.310
This idea that in order to be a progressive,

1378
00:33:50.330 --> 00:33:51.520
you must want to abolish prisons.

1379
00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:51.910
I mean,

1380
00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:55.920
it's so obvious that George recognizes this messaging strategy,

1381
00:33:56.050 --> 00:33:57.210
this label is popular,

1382
00:33:57.290 --> 00:33:59.280
and he just wants to demonize it as much as possible.

1383
00:33:59.490 --> 00:33:59.990
Yeah,

1384
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:00.360
OK,

1385
00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:02.860
do you feel like you're in an uncomfortable position

1386
00:34:03.050 --> 00:34:03.860
as

1387
00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:04.780
this,

1388
00:34:05.050 --> 00:34:05.200
you know,

1389
00:34:05.450 --> 00:34:07.030
progressive who is not.

1390
00:34:07.580 --> 00:34:10.370
On the the the DSA train right now,

1391
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:11.010
I mean,

1392
00:34:11.179 --> 00:34:14.500
I don't think that it's just a conservative,

1393
00:34:14.989 --> 00:34:15.210
you know,

1394
00:34:15.330 --> 00:34:18.080
messaging strategy to make it seem like

1395
00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:19.370
they're a big deal.

1396
00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:20.730
They are

1397
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:21.929
producing

1398
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:23.889
results in,

1399
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:24.330
you know,

1400
00:34:24.460 --> 00:34:26.120
certain states and putting

1401
00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:27.770
forward their candidates,

1402
00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:29.960
and they do have a platform.

1403
00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:31.159
You know,

1404
00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:36.980
on their website and we have heard Hassan and like the recent Axios interview like

1405
00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:39.130
say some things that

1406
00:34:39.290 --> 00:34:39.670
just

1407
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.710
are far outside the political status quo

1408
00:34:43.010 --> 00:34:45.040
that has existed for the last few years.

1409
00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:46.550
That's a real phenomenon.

1410
00:34:46.969 --> 00:34:48.980
You're saying you reject it,

1411
00:34:49.530 --> 00:34:51.350
but you don't reject everybody who

1412
00:34:51.570 --> 00:34:52.030
is

1413
00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:53.440
in favor of that.

1414
00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:54.380
But

1415
00:34:54.530 --> 00:34:57.550
do you feel like you're in an uncomfortable position being squeezed?

1416
00:34:58.240 --> 00:34:58.430
No,

1417
00:34:58.520 --> 00:34:58.630
I,

1418
00:34:58.680 --> 00:35:00.780
I think this is very much

1419
00:35:01.070 --> 00:35:01.780
a

1420
00:35:01.930 --> 00:35:04.670
picture that is being created by social media,

1421
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.710
this idea that oh how you're just in the center of all of this.

1422
00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:11.690
I think that there is no one true spokesman for the Democratic Party

1423
00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:13.860
and the whole purpose of being a big tent party

1424
00:35:14.020 --> 00:35:15.720
is being open to new ideas.

1425
00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:16.050
Now,

1426
00:35:16.140 --> 00:35:18.880
does that mean that you are going to accept every policy prescription

1427
00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:19.970
just flat out?

1428
00:35:20.020 --> 00:35:20.570
Of course not,

1429
00:35:20.660 --> 00:35:20.780
right?

1430
00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:21.200
But

1431
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.410
if Zuan Mamdani does something that is considered

1432
00:35:23.410 --> 00:35:25.130
more radical in New York and is successful,

1433
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.170
why not implement it?

1434
00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:26.990
The whole purpose

1435
00:35:27.100 --> 00:35:30.140
is to build a country for every single American.

1436
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:31.520
Does that mean at some point,

1437
00:35:31.700 --> 00:35:33.690
maybe a socialist is gonna come up with something nice?

1438
00:35:33.740 --> 00:35:34.240
Of course.

1439
00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:35.090
And if that's the case,

1440
00:35:35.150 --> 00:35:35.530
we work together.

1441
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:36.390
Make it a reality.

1442
00:35:36.410 --> 00:35:37.670
A Republican can do the same thing.

1443
00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:38.820
I know a lot of people tend to

1444
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.370
credit Mitt Romney for Obama's expansion of healthcare.

1445
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:42.360
If that was the case,

1446
00:35:42.690 --> 00:35:43.230
so be it.

1447
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:43.870
That's great.

1448
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.460
We're a government for America,

1449
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.590
for Americans.

1450
00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:47.310
So again,

1451
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:48.110
when it comes to Hassan,

1452
00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:49.030
I think he's a fucking clown.

1453
00:35:49.160 --> 00:35:49.230
I,

1454
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:49.430
I mean,

1455
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.190
I've said it a million times myself and again,

1456
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:51.660
like I said,

1457
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.580
no person

1458
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.440
is a spokesman for the largest or second largest political entity in the country.

1459
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:58.070
So I,

1460
00:35:58.120 --> 00:35:59.220
I don't think Hassan is

1461
00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:01.390
speaking for every Democrat when he says crazy things

1462
00:36:01.390 --> 00:36:03.270
or even speaking for every member of the DSA.

1463
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:03.750
Um,

1464
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.110
and if I think that they had their head on their shoulders,

1465
00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:07.610
he probably wouldn't be endorsing him either.

1466
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:08.330
Yeah,

1467
00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:09.910
but he's not the only person saying,

1468
00:36:10.050 --> 00:36:10.620
I mean,

1469
00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:11.510
in general,

1470
00:36:11.560 --> 00:36:11.870
I've been,

1471
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.430
I've been gobsmacked.

1472
00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:15.390
By some of the things that

1473
00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:18.240
key leaders of the of the DSA have said in recent interviews,

1474
00:36:18.330 --> 00:36:19.360
it's shocking.

1475
00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:21.280
We will see.

1476
00:36:21.340 --> 00:36:21.480
I mean,

1477
00:36:21.530 --> 00:36:25.830
it's hard not to imagine that the results of these midterms will be

1478
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.370
folded into some narrative and if

1479
00:36:28.770 --> 00:36:30.170
Democrats do really well,

1480
00:36:30.450 --> 00:36:31.360
which they might,

1481
00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:31.710
I,

1482
00:36:31.770 --> 00:36:32.760
I question

1483
00:36:32.890 --> 00:36:35.830
how these polls seem like they're way.

1484
00:36:36.410 --> 00:36:37.040
Out of whack.

1485
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:37.200
Like,

1486
00:36:37.290 --> 00:36:38.040
I don't know if

1487
00:36:38.250 --> 00:36:40.280
they'll take the House and the Senate,

1488
00:36:40.730 --> 00:36:41.710
but let's just say

1489
00:36:41.830 --> 00:36:43.070
they do really well

1490
00:36:43.240 --> 00:36:45.750
and they do or they almost do.

1491
00:36:46.490 --> 00:36:48.550
That is going to put a ton of momentum.

1492
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.550
Behind this DSA movement and I,

1493
00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:51.970
I just,

1494
00:36:52.040 --> 00:36:53.970
I do wonder how that's gonna play out,

1495
00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:54.900
um,

1496
00:36:55.520 --> 00:36:57.200
and if they underperform

1497
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:57.910
that could be,

1498
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.540
it could be existential for them because it could be the end.

1499
00:37:00.970 --> 00:37:01.740
So we'll see,

1500
00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:02.250
but yeah,

1501
00:37:02.490 --> 00:37:02.640
I,

1502
00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.680
I appreciate you kind of positioning yourself in,

1503
00:37:05.810 --> 00:37:06.800
in that mix.

1504
00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:09.730
It's important to acknowledge that the DSA organization in

1505
00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:12.670
and of itself is still more unpopular than even

1506
00:37:12.850 --> 00:37:14.800
the president of the United States right now,

1507
00:37:14.890 --> 00:37:17.160
who is one of the most popular presidents in modern history.

1508
00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:17.500
Yeah,

1509
00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:19.590
the thing is that they have standouts

1510
00:37:19.790 --> 00:37:23.840
that shine much brighter than the organization itself like Zoran Mamdani,

1511
00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:24.200
for example,

1512
00:37:24.330 --> 00:37:24.670
like

1513
00:37:24.810 --> 00:37:25.540
AOC

1514
00:37:25.810 --> 00:37:26.950
and At the end of the day,

1515
00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:28.150
on the national level,

1516
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.150
they likely are

1517
00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:32.390
to underperform and we've seen them pick up key races in

1518
00:37:33.050 --> 00:37:33.440
severe,

1519
00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:33.740
like,

1520
00:37:33.940 --> 00:37:34.480
not severely,

1521
00:37:34.770 --> 00:37:36.230
very deep blue areas,

1522
00:37:36.530 --> 00:37:38.760
but I don't think it necessarily speaks to a

1523
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.920
huge ideological shift at the core of the party.

1524
00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:41.710
Uh now,

1525
00:37:41.810 --> 00:37:42.620
they are taking power.

1526
00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:44.070
That is something to recognize

1527
00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:44.790
and if

1528
00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:48.970
they were to implement their policy as it's clearly laid out in their,

1529
00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:50.280
in their platform,

1530
00:37:50.530 --> 00:37:51.560
that's definitely concerning.

1531
00:37:52.020 --> 00:37:52.770
But at the end of the day,

1532
00:37:52.790 --> 00:37:53.600
it's a question of

1533
00:37:53.730 --> 00:37:54.930
people being principled

1534
00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:58.630
and not just appealing to something that is poli politically popular but rather

1535
00:37:58.860 --> 00:37:59.920
sticking to your guns

1536
00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:02.200
and not allowing somebody to capture your thoughts just because,

1537
00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:02.430
I mean,

1538
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.310
it's the popular cool DSA

1539
00:38:04.450 --> 00:38:05.410
niche thing right now.

1540
00:38:05.540 --> 00:38:05.870
So

1541
00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:08.410
I think we'll see how the events transpire and

1542
00:38:08.410 --> 00:38:10.420
uh when Democrats take both houses of Congress,

1543
00:38:10.490 --> 00:38:13.860
I'll be very happy and hopefully it's not captured by a bunch of socialists.

1544
00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:14.440
Yeah,

1545
00:38:14.610 --> 00:38:14.720
well,

1546
00:38:14.770 --> 00:38:15.120
it sounds,

1547
00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:16.630
you sound optimistic and

1548
00:38:16.940 --> 00:38:17.560
I think

1549
00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:20.980
something that's important to acknowledge though is like

1550
00:38:20.980 --> 00:38:23.250
you said when in your exchange with George was

1551
00:38:23.490 --> 00:38:25.300
it isn't just the DSA

1552
00:38:25.410 --> 00:38:29.960
that is proposing ideas that could be coded as communist or uh socialist,

1553
00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:30.200
you know,

1554
00:38:30.370 --> 00:38:30.630
Trump,

1555
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.710
the Trump administration has been playing with a lot of wild ideas.

1556
00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:35.610
Stakes in private companies,

1557
00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:36.160
um,

1558
00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:37.140
you know,

1559
00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:37.190
they're,

1560
00:38:37.810 --> 00:38:40.430
they've been doing a lot of things that could be seen,

1561
00:38:40.870 --> 00:38:40.990
um,

1562
00:38:41.370 --> 00:38:43.400
as moving in that direction as well.

1563
00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:44.190
So it's not,

1564
00:38:44.850 --> 00:38:46.680
I don't wanna make it seem like they're in normal

1565
00:38:46.680 --> 00:38:48.990
land and the Democrats are deciding if they're not.

1566
00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:50.240
Um,

1567
00:38:50.330 --> 00:38:52.480
everybody is in not normal land from

1568
00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:52.620
my,

1569
00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:54.270
from my perspective.

1570
00:38:54.450 --> 00:38:54.600
OK,

1571
00:38:54.740 --> 00:38:55.260
so the

1572
00:38:55.930 --> 00:38:57.890
next clip is with you and Dennis.

1573
00:38:58.930 --> 00:38:59.280
Dennis,

1574
00:38:59.330 --> 00:38:59.960
if you're watching this,

1575
00:39:00.040 --> 00:39:00.130
I've,

1576
00:39:00.250 --> 00:39:01.550
I've met him on a few.

1577
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.410
This is actually just gonna be kind of like uh Dennis,

1578
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:05.350
what were you thinking?

1579
00:39:05.470 --> 00:39:05.850
So

1580
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.030
history of corruption,

1581
00:39:07.080 --> 00:39:08.920
I think your claim is Trump's the most

1582
00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:10.190
corrupt president.

1583
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.600
This is what Dennis comes at you with.

1584
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.540
What were the corruption allegations around the 11th president?

1585
00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:17.540
I don't know.

1586
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:18.070
OK,

1587
00:39:18.120 --> 00:39:19.430
what about the 15th president?

1588
00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:20.110
It's not relevant.

1589
00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:21.350
What about the 23rd president?

1590
00:39:21.370 --> 00:39:23.060
What's important to do is your claim is history.

1591
00:39:23.180 --> 00:39:23.490
We're gonna start

1592
00:39:23.740 --> 00:39:24.030
claim is

1593
00:39:24.190 --> 00:39:24.200
history.

1594
00:39:24.290 --> 00:39:24.300
No,

1595
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:24.440
no,

1596
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:24.790
no.

1597
00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:25.330
Here's the thing,

1598
00:39:25.370 --> 00:39:25.560
I'm,

1599
00:39:25.690 --> 00:39:26.520
I'm proving that you can't.

1600
00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:27.730
I'm proving,

1601
00:39:27.850 --> 00:39:28.320
can I finish?

1602
00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:30.040
I'm proving that you can't back up your claim

1603
00:39:30.040 --> 00:39:31.680
because you don't even know the history around it.

1604
00:39:31.750 --> 00:39:32.230
You do.

1605
00:39:32.530 --> 00:39:32.600
No,

1606
00:39:32.690 --> 00:39:32.800
I,

1607
00:39:32.930 --> 00:39:33.400
I don't have to.

1608
00:39:33.450 --> 00:39:34.110
I didn't make the claim.

1609
00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:34.280
No,

1610
00:39:34.470 --> 00:39:34.480
no,

1611
00:39:34.570 --> 00:39:34.600
no,

1612
00:39:34.660 --> 00:39:34.680
no,

1613
00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:34.730
no.

1614
00:39:34.770 --> 00:39:35.280
That's the thing.

1615
00:39:35.610 --> 00:39:36.880
I didn't make this claim.

1616
00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:37.410
Breathe,

1617
00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:37.780
breathe,

1618
00:39:37.910 --> 00:39:38.000
breathe,

1619
00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:38.320
breathe.

1620
00:39:38.570 --> 00:39:39.080
What are you saying?

1621
00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:40.490
You're trying to shift the burden onto me.

1622
00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:40.560
No,

1623
00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:40.800
no,

1624
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:40.850
no.

1625
00:39:40.890 --> 00:39:42.270
Let me explain to you why I asked the question.

1626
00:39:42.490 --> 00:39:42.980
Can you tell me,

1627
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.000
do you want to take back your claim?

1628
00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:45.560
You have a second to take back your claim.

1629
00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:45.660
No,

1630
00:39:45.870 --> 00:39:45.880
no,

1631
00:39:45.930 --> 00:39:46.000
no,

1632
00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:46.180
no.

1633
00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:46.750
Take it back.

1634
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:47.330
Take it back.

1635
00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:47.880
Notice how you don't.

1636
00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:49.000
Why don't you just take it back.

1637
00:39:49.540 --> 00:39:50.370
Do yourself a favor.

1638
00:39:50.490 --> 00:39:51.090
Take your claim back.

1639
00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:54.250
Did any of those presidents proved you can't any of those presidents proved,

1640
00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:55.370
did any of those proved,

1641
00:39:55.390 --> 00:39:56.640
did any just proved any.

1642
00:39:56.660 --> 00:39:57.320
You just proved

1643
00:39:57.580 --> 00:40:00.330
any of those presidents have senior campaign advisors working with

1644
00:40:00.330 --> 00:40:03.110
Russian oligarchs to try and interfere in the 2016 election?

1645
00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:03.870
12th president,

1646
00:40:04.060 --> 00:40:04.660
corruption.

1647
00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:05.680
What did he do?

1648
00:40:05.700 --> 00:40:06.050
What did he do?

1649
00:40:06.140 --> 00:40:06.170
No,

1650
00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:06.300
no,

1651
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.170
this is about history.

1652
00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:08.080
This is about history.

1653
00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:08.880
I don't think it's

1654
00:40:09.220 --> 00:40:09.490
Russia.

1655
00:40:09.710 --> 00:40:09.900
OK,

1656
00:40:10.180 --> 00:40:10.680
I'll give you.

1657
00:40:11.350 --> 00:40:12.900
Launching 40th insurrection

1658
00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:13.740
on the Capitol.

1659
00:40:14.310 --> 00:40:15.300
Any of those presidents launching

1660
00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:18.110
Andrew Jackson literally burned down the White House.

1661
00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:19.950
Dennis and David,

1662
00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:21.420
we cannot hear either of you.

1663
00:40:21.550 --> 00:40:22.560
You mentioned something very important.

1664
00:40:22.710 --> 00:40:23.430
I don't know if I want to hear

1665
00:40:23.580 --> 00:40:24.140
something very,

1666
00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:25.890
I know you don't because you know I'm gonna make great points.

1667
00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:26.990
You mentioned something very important.

1668
00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:27.220
OK,

1669
00:40:27.310 --> 00:40:27.500
we can,

1670
00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:28.090
we can,

1671
00:40:28.200 --> 00:40:29.080
we can stop it there.

1672
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:29.750
We can stop it there.

1673
00:40:29.910 --> 00:40:30.570
Dennis,

1674
00:40:30.830 --> 00:40:32.380
if you're listening and watching,

1675
00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:33.890
I don't think that

1676
00:40:34.790 --> 00:40:35.220
worked.

1677
00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:39.170
I don't think that worked.

1678
00:40:40.220 --> 00:40:42.570
This is where I'm going to be the most on your side.

1679
00:40:42.700 --> 00:40:44.290
This is the biggest vulnerability

1680
00:40:44.540 --> 00:40:46.210
and the hardest thing to defend,

1681
00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:49.240
which is why I think he looks for a loophole to not

1682
00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:53.160
have to defend it is the personal enrichment that we've seen

1683
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.890
from this current administration.

1684
00:40:55.600 --> 00:40:56.220
Is

1685
00:40:56.680 --> 00:41:00.030
multiple orders of magnitude greater than anything that came before it.

1686
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.060
You go into the Russiagate stuff.

1687
00:41:03.240 --> 00:41:07.230
I don't know if any of that is as clear cut as maybe you argue it is.

1688
00:41:07.290 --> 00:41:07.660
Like

1689
00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:09.390
the Mueller report

1690
00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:09.950
was like,

1691
00:41:10.120 --> 00:41:10.200
yeah,

1692
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:11.550
some of this looks sketch,

1693
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:12.200
but

1694
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:13.200
as far as we can tell,

1695
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.150
no collusion.

1696
00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:14.590
And then,

1697
00:41:14.680 --> 00:41:14.790
you know,

1698
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:15.910
the book's sort of shut

1699
00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:16.430
there.

1700
00:41:16.600 --> 00:41:18.460
Obviously we have the recent headline with

1701
00:41:18.640 --> 00:41:19.200
the wedding,

1702
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:20.350
who paid for that.

1703
00:41:20.850 --> 00:41:21.790
So there's,

1704
00:41:21.850 --> 00:41:23.720
there's Russia's sketchiness,

1705
00:41:23.970 --> 00:41:25.080
but in general,

1706
00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:26.010
I just think if,

1707
00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:29.000
if we narrow it down to the things that are undeniable,

1708
00:41:29.410 --> 00:41:30.840
the personal enrichment.

1709
00:41:31.700 --> 00:41:33.320
The alleys

1710
00:41:33.540 --> 00:41:35.790
that have been made for money to enter

1711
00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:37.200
the president's pockets

1712
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.500
from foreign leaders,

1713
00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:39.090
that is,

1714
00:41:39.220 --> 00:41:40.240
it's staggering,

1715
00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:40.530
and,

1716
00:41:40.580 --> 00:41:41.840
and it is indefensible.

1717
00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:42.290
Uh,

1718
00:41:42.740 --> 00:41:43.710
did I miss anything?

1719
00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:44.050
No,

1720
00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:45.480
I think it was really funny

1721
00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:48.050
that in an attempt to run a cover for Donald Trump,

1722
00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:49.760
I don't recall Andrew Jackson burning to the White.

1723
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:50.290
I could be wrong,

1724
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:51.170
I'm not a history buff,

1725
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:51.560
but

1726
00:41:51.700 --> 00:41:52.760
even that's

1727
00:41:52.870 --> 00:41:55.390
the comparable event burning down the White House

1728
00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:57.370
is what we're gonna compare to Donald Trump's.

1729
00:41:57.460 --> 00:41:58.770
I feel like it's a relatively bad look,

1730
00:41:58.900 --> 00:41:59.290
right?

1731
00:41:59.850 --> 00:42:01.880
If something as significant as that.

1732
00:42:02.250 --> 00:42:04.230
Is the only thing you could possibly think of that holds

1733
00:42:04.230 --> 00:42:07.320
a candle to the level of corruption and malfeasance we've seen

1734
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.560
over the last decade and Donald Trump's across both of his terms.

1735
00:42:10.680 --> 00:42:11.180
I think

1736
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.780
that in and of itself really speaks to the unprecedented nature of,

1737
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.430
of the administration and you said something incredibly important,

1738
00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:19.430
the self-enrichment.

1739
00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:20.700
I mentioned it a couple times.

1740
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.400
I didn't mention it.

1741
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.750
I think that was an issue on my part 100% because it's absolutely.

1742
00:42:24.060 --> 00:42:24.530
undeniable.

1743
00:42:24.580 --> 00:42:24.690
I mean,

1744
00:42:24.740 --> 00:42:25.890
he's netted his family

1745
00:42:26.200 --> 00:42:27.000
billions

1746
00:42:27.150 --> 00:42:27.400
of

1747
00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:28.370
dollars

1748
00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:29.490
selling pardons,

1749
00:42:29.620 --> 00:42:30.570
making crypto money,

1750
00:42:30.740 --> 00:42:32.130
deals with foreign governments,

1751
00:42:32.660 --> 00:42:34.200
allowing his son-in-law Jared Kushner

1752
00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.120
to go and solicit billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia

1753
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:40.090
for his firm when he said he promised he wouldn't do that.

1754
00:42:40.180 --> 00:42:42.210
It's just absolutely undeniable.

1755
00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:42.490
Um,

1756
00:42:42.540 --> 00:42:43.890
it's all up in our face and I mean,

1757
00:42:43.940 --> 00:42:44.850
I think Dennis,

1758
00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:45.410
listen.

1759
00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:47.790
If I can recognize one thing

1760
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:49.520
from Dennis and compliment anybody in that circle,

1761
00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:50.400
it's that Dennis,

1762
00:42:50.490 --> 00:42:51.350
he will

1763
00:42:51.730 --> 00:42:54.240
try his hardest to find a single loophole

1764
00:42:54.240 --> 00:42:56.060
when he knows that the prompt is undeniable,

1765
00:42:56.090 --> 00:42:56.770
and he tried there,

1766
00:42:56.810 --> 00:42:56.960
you know,

1767
00:42:57.010 --> 00:42:59.270
he's gonna question all my history knowledge and

1768
00:42:59.450 --> 00:43:00.530
just destroy me in that regard,

1769
00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:00.970
but I still,

1770
00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:02.910
I think he still ended up burning himself in the end,

1771
00:43:02.930 --> 00:43:03.590
sadly.

1772
00:43:03.930 --> 00:43:04.060
Yeah,

1773
00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:04.400
he's nice.

1774
00:43:04.830 --> 00:43:06.980
I enjoy chatting with him and seeing him on set,

1775
00:43:07.070 --> 00:43:07.530
but

1776
00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:10.580
I don't think that one worked.

1777
00:43:10.830 --> 00:43:12.550
One thing I will ask you though,

1778
00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:13.860
this is actually important,

1779
00:43:13.910 --> 00:43:16.300
and I think this is where the burden does shift

1780
00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:17.740
on the Democrats.

1781
00:43:17.870 --> 00:43:18.420
As

1782
00:43:18.670 --> 00:43:21.580
corrupt as Trump's actions may appear,

1783
00:43:21.750 --> 00:43:23.000
the jury is still out

1784
00:43:23.830 --> 00:43:25.860
for whether any of it's illegal,

1785
00:43:25.990 --> 00:43:26.570
you know.

1786
00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:27.520
And

1787
00:43:27.630 --> 00:43:28.110
so

1788
00:43:28.310 --> 00:43:29.530
if AOC becomes president,

1789
00:43:29.670 --> 00:43:31.380
if Jon Ossoff becomes president,

1790
00:43:31.550 --> 00:43:33.180
if Tallarico becomes president,

1791
00:43:33.650 --> 00:43:35.980
What is the likelihood that you see them?

1792
00:43:37.030 --> 00:43:37.610
Taking

1793
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:40.200
time and energy out of their,

1794
00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:42.240
their administrations to

1795
00:43:43.170 --> 00:43:43.950
Basically,

1796
00:43:44.290 --> 00:43:44.300
uh,

1797
00:43:44.650 --> 00:43:46.350
restrict them from doing anything and,

1798
00:43:46.410 --> 00:43:46.700
and,

1799
00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:48.700
and prevent it from happening in,

1800
00:43:48.810 --> 00:43:49.480
in the future.

1801
00:43:49.570 --> 00:43:49.800
You know,

1802
00:43:49.930 --> 00:43:50.310
like

1803
00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:51.590
Trump has,

1804
00:43:51.690 --> 00:43:52.230
has

1805
00:43:52.410 --> 00:43:56.080
empowered the executive branch so much that

1806
00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:59.360
if a lot of these things that we're calling out as horrifying,

1807
00:43:59.490 --> 00:44:00.620
if Democrats want to,

1808
00:44:00.650 --> 00:44:01.200
to change it,

1809
00:44:01.290 --> 00:44:02.790
they're going to have to go in and,

1810
00:44:02.860 --> 00:44:02.900
and

1811
00:44:03.830 --> 00:44:05.180
Shrink the executive,

1812
00:44:05.310 --> 00:44:05.700
take

1813
00:44:05.930 --> 00:44:06.580
defang it,

1814
00:44:06.670 --> 00:44:07.460
take power away from it.

1815
00:44:07.550 --> 00:44:08.620
Do you think that's going to happen?

1816
00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:11.580
Do you think Democrats would be that self-sacrificing?

1817
00:44:11.710 --> 00:44:12.580
I think they should

1818
00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:15.460
only after wielding power like Republicans.

1819
00:44:15.550 --> 00:44:16.810
I think that's the important

1820
00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:17.980
caveat.

1821
00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:19.420
I think you take office.

1822
00:44:19.700 --> 00:44:21.960
Build power like Republicans and once it's all said and done,

1823
00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:24.800
you defang the executive as you should and not allow it to just

1824
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.670
act unilaterally off of executive fiat to do whatever the president wants.

1825
00:44:28.890 --> 00:44:30.760
And out of all the three candidates he listed,

1826
00:44:30.810 --> 00:44:33.320
I'm obviously the most familiar with James Salarico

1827
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:34.750
because he's running in my state

1828
00:44:34.890 --> 00:44:35.200
for Senate.

1829
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:35.820
He's gonna win.

1830
00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:36.830
So anybody watching,

1831
00:44:36.850 --> 00:44:37.340
go on him up.

1832
00:44:37.670 --> 00:44:38.060
I'm not,

1833
00:44:38.230 --> 00:44:40.100
I'm not saying Jubilee sponsors James Salri.

1834
00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:40.910
I'm this is me.

1835
00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:41.590
This is David.

1836
00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:42.690
I approve this message.

1837
00:44:43.150 --> 00:44:43.560
But we might,

1838
00:44:43.710 --> 00:44:43.900
I mean,

1839
00:44:43.950 --> 00:44:44.220
we've had,

1840
00:44:44.270 --> 00:44:45.460
we've obviously done videos with him.

1841
00:44:45.490 --> 00:44:46.030
You had him on the show.

1842
00:44:46.110 --> 00:44:46.460
That's true.

1843
00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:46.620
Hey,

1844
00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:48.190
he should get on the split as well.

1845
00:44:48.910 --> 00:44:50.800
He's a very interesting figure right now.

1846
00:44:51.070 --> 00:44:51.180
Yeah,

1847
00:44:51.430 --> 00:44:53.030
as with him specifically,

1848
00:44:53.270 --> 00:44:56.840
he is definitely posturing himself as an anti-corruption candidate,

1849
00:44:56.870 --> 00:44:58.180
banning congressional stock trading,

1850
00:44:58.230 --> 00:44:59.420
revisiting Citizens United,

1851
00:44:59.510 --> 00:45:01.020
making sure there's no level of corruption,

1852
00:45:01.270 --> 00:45:03.980
really coming after the administration and seeking transparency.

1853
00:45:04.330 --> 00:45:06.410
If any Democrat is making that promise now,

1854
00:45:06.530 --> 00:45:07.470
they gotta stick to it.

1855
00:45:07.720 --> 00:45:10.160
So no matter what it looks like at the end of the day,

1856
00:45:10.570 --> 00:45:12.640
we should wield power like Republicans at first,

1857
00:45:12.830 --> 00:45:15.150
but we need to return the country to a state of normalcy

1858
00:45:15.290 --> 00:45:17.000
so nothing like Donald Trump can ever happen again.

1859
00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:17.920
How's it gonna happen?

1860
00:45:18.090 --> 00:45:19.550
I can't say I have all the answers,

1861
00:45:19.810 --> 00:45:20.150
but

1862
00:45:20.370 --> 00:45:21.560
consistency is important,

1863
00:45:21.650 --> 00:45:25.180
and I'm tired of Democrats flip flopping on messaging

1864
00:45:25.450 --> 00:45:27.730
and not sticking to their guns because it may not be political,

1865
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.480
politically advantageous in the moment.

1866
00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:30.020
So

1867
00:45:30.370 --> 00:45:32.160
I'd say stick to the anti-corruption posture,

1868
00:45:32.180 --> 00:45:33.190
and I think we'll be all right.

1869
00:45:34.050 --> 00:45:34.320
Yeah,

1870
00:45:34.450 --> 00:45:34.920
and I just,

1871
00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:35.320
my,

1872
00:45:35.370 --> 00:45:36.840
my general feeling is like,

1873
00:45:36.930 --> 00:45:39.190
if the door is not shut on these things.

1874
00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:40.600
Legally

1875
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:44.000
They will just grow and grow and grow and grow.

1876
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:45.080
Trump has,

1877
00:45:45.540 --> 00:45:46.710
and to his credit,

1878
00:45:47.020 --> 00:45:51.180
reimagined and transformed what an American president

1879
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:53.700
is and how we think of it and what

1880
00:45:54.020 --> 00:45:56.660
it is possible to do and get away with.

1881
00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:57.440
Um,

1882
00:45:57.560 --> 00:45:58.870
and not apologize for,

1883
00:45:59.120 --> 00:46:00.870
and that is the blueprint

1884
00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:02.030
for the future.

1885
00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:02.470
Um,

1886
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.150
not everybody will be as charismatic as him,

1887
00:46:05.240 --> 00:46:05.460
but,

1888
00:46:05.680 --> 00:46:05.750
uh,

1889
00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:08.550
we will be back to this place and it will be bigger.

1890
00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:10.080
We'll see.

1891
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.990
One of your claims was about free speech.

1892
00:46:12.120 --> 00:46:13.420
I was actually surprised.

1893
00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:13.750
Well,

1894
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:13.990
no,

1895
00:46:14.010 --> 00:46:14.870
I wasn't surprised,

1896
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:15.300
but

1897
00:46:15.560 --> 00:46:16.550
let's watch this clip.

1898
00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:19.420
This is your prompt on free speech in one of your debates.

1899
00:46:19.640 --> 00:46:19.830
You know,

1900
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.200
I can see some

1901
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.670
of your point talking points,

1902
00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:24.310
even though obviously super misdirected,

1903
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:24.620
but.

1904
00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:28.250
I'd love to hear how anything compares to

1905
00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:30.120
shutting down authorities during COVID,

1906
00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:31.570
which cost millions of lives,

1907
00:46:31.850 --> 00:46:33.350
covering up the Hunter Biden laptop,

1908
00:46:33.370 --> 00:46:33.930
and having

1909
00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:35.720
51 FBI agents lie about it,

1910
00:46:35.770 --> 00:46:37.050
which swung an election,

1911
00:46:37.370 --> 00:46:37.600
um,

1912
00:46:37.890 --> 00:46:40.750
to de-platforming a president off of social media to

1913
00:46:41.370 --> 00:46:41.520
their,

1914
00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:41.770
uh,

1915
00:46:41.930 --> 00:46:42.040
uh,

1916
00:46:42.220 --> 00:46:42.680
Shellenberger,

1917
00:46:42.810 --> 00:46:43.400
Matt Taibbi,

1918
00:46:43.490 --> 00:46:45.040
all these people who weren't even,

1919
00:46:45.130 --> 00:46:46.520
even aren't even right leaning,

1920
00:46:46.650 --> 00:46:47.760
saying that the Twitter files,

1921
00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:48.320
uh,

1922
00:46:48.810 --> 00:46:51.280
are very clear about the fact that all the censorship

1923
00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:53.080
heavily favored Democrats,

1924
00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:54.880
heavily punished Republicans.

1925
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:55.470
Oh,

1926
00:46:56.080 --> 00:46:56.120
I,

1927
00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:56.310
I,

1928
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:56.950
I have no,

1929
00:46:57.080 --> 00:46:57.110
I,

1930
00:46:57.200 --> 00:46:57.430
I can't,

1931
00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:58.310
I don't even know what you're gonna say.

1932
00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.630
Please tell me how you think this is.

1933
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.390
So the things that I'm gonna bring up are actually substantive and

1934
00:47:02.390 --> 00:47:04.420
did happen and did have an effect on the American people.

1935
00:47:04.490 --> 00:47:05.190
The Twitter files,

1936
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.350
Hunter Biden's laptop story,

1937
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:06.980
the New York,

1938
00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:07.140
uh,

1939
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:07.900
Post,

1940
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.250
that post was blocked or,

1941
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:11.260
or I guess

1942
00:47:11.430 --> 00:47:13.720
suppressed for 24 to 48 hours.

1943
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.180
Some accounts that were banned were for 1 to 2 weeks

1944
00:47:16.350 --> 00:47:17.110
to act as if,

1945
00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:17.590
and by the way,

1946
00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:18.860
this was under Donald Trump.

1947
00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:19.760
OK,

1948
00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:20.770
so,

1949
00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:22.050
but even though it was him,

1950
00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:23.570
it was Democratic people pushing it.

1951
00:47:23.660 --> 00:47:24.120
Was there,

1952
00:47:24.630 --> 00:47:27.370
because there were similar attacks before that were from Russia,

1953
00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:27.650
right?

1954
00:47:27.740 --> 00:47:28.880
So there were similar

1955
00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:30.080
outline attacks

1956
00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:30.730
from Russia,

1957
00:47:30.790 --> 00:47:33.240
which is exactly why there was the 51 letters

1958
00:47:33.510 --> 00:47:35.000
claiming that there was some room for concern.

1959
00:47:35.100 --> 00:47:35.800
There's no evidence.

1960
00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:38.130
There's no there's no signed a letter.

1961
00:47:38.220 --> 00:47:39.210
There's no evidence.

1962
00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:40.310
There's no evidence

1963
00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:41.690
that any of these stories.

1964
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.500
Or any of these accounts were suppressed as a result of government pressure.

1965
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.270
That's not true.

1966
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:47.470
Mark Zuckerberg admitted it.

1967
00:47:47.600 --> 00:47:49.850
Mark Zuckerberg admitted it only after Donald Trump

1968
00:47:49.850 --> 00:47:51.790
threatened him with incarceration and like no,

1969
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:51.990
no,

1970
00:47:52.050 --> 00:47:53.010
he did it in August

1971
00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:54.050
right before the election,

1972
00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:54.500
believe it or not,

1973
00:47:54.520 --> 00:47:55.110
if

1974
00:47:55.420 --> 00:47:56.340
this is already ruled,

1975
00:47:56.700 --> 00:47:58.900
peel this apart a little bit for me because

1976
00:47:59.430 --> 00:47:59.720
there's,

1977
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.470
you're a little bit more informed on this,

1978
00:48:01.600 --> 00:48:02.890
the decision from Supreme Court.

1979
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:03.440
So

1980
00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:04.280
what's going on here?

1981
00:48:04.970 --> 00:48:07.750
So they ruled against the petitioners on standing.

1982
00:48:07.890 --> 00:48:09.790
They did not have the evidence

1983
00:48:09.950 --> 00:48:13.760
to even clearly lay out a harm done by the administration

1984
00:48:13.970 --> 00:48:15.860
as it pertains to any possible

1985
00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:17.200
media suppression.

1986
00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:17.910
So

1987
00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:18.240
if,

1988
00:48:18.330 --> 00:48:19.510
if that goes

1989
00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:20.350
to the

1990
00:48:20.690 --> 00:48:21.510
Supreme Court,

1991
00:48:21.810 --> 00:48:22.360
the last,

1992
00:48:22.490 --> 00:48:23.530
the court of last resort,

1993
00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:26.040
and they say you lack standing

1994
00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:29.260
to even clearly uh display any kind of harm,

1995
00:48:29.370 --> 00:48:30.440
First Amendment violation.

1996
00:48:30.790 --> 00:48:31.180
I think,

1997
00:48:31.430 --> 00:48:32.980
and there's a reason why conservatives only

1998
00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:35.220
bring up the appellate ruling and not SCOTUS

1999
00:48:35.590 --> 00:48:36.260
because at the end of the day,

2000
00:48:36.350 --> 00:48:37.820
that just destroys that argument.

2001
00:48:37.870 --> 00:48:38.010
The,

2002
00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:39.150
the Biden administration

2003
00:48:39.710 --> 00:48:40.320
exercised

2004
00:48:40.540 --> 00:48:42.650
some level of executive authority,

2005
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.530
but to say they violated the First Amendment,

2006
00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:46.290
I think,

2007
00:48:46.670 --> 00:48:47.200
um,

2008
00:48:47.230 --> 00:48:49.010
is opening the door obviously to

2009
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:51.240
reasonable comparisons between what

2010
00:48:51.530 --> 00:48:54.300
Donald Trump has done and what Joe Biden and Democrats sponsored.

2011
00:48:54.700 --> 00:48:55.400
The truth is,

2012
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.960
you can't use Mark Zuckerberg's word after being threatened with,

2013
00:48:59.060 --> 00:48:59.170
uh,

2014
00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:01.060
Donald Trump essentially ruining his life for

2015
00:49:01.060 --> 00:49:02.880
banning him off of social media or whatever

2016
00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:05.690
as undeniable evidence that there was crazy suppression.

2017
00:49:05.740 --> 00:49:07.610
The truth is there's a high bar.

2018
00:49:07.940 --> 00:49:08.130
Um,

2019
00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:09.660
the First Amendment should be protected.

2020
00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:11.010
And at the end of the day,

2021
00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:14.270
it is to the discretion of social media companies to ban whoever they want.

2022
00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:16.320
And should there be some kind of executive action?

2023
00:49:16.530 --> 00:49:19.650
Only if there's huge national security risk or big implications.

2024
00:49:19.890 --> 00:49:23.160
I don't love the idea of the federal government telling social media companies

2025
00:49:23.160 --> 00:49:27.550
how they can and can't run specifically when it comes to banning voices who

2026
00:49:27.730 --> 00:49:29.480
they might not have banned otherwise.

2027
00:49:29.770 --> 00:49:30.110
But

2028
00:49:30.350 --> 00:49:30.680
again,

2029
00:49:30.850 --> 00:49:33.510
when you're saying that there's a First Amendment violation,

2030
00:49:33.530 --> 00:49:34.690
a violation of free speech,

2031
00:49:34.810 --> 00:49:36.070
you have to provide evidence

2032
00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:36.560
and they could

2033
00:49:37.930 --> 00:49:39.310
So on the specific cases,

2034
00:49:39.520 --> 00:49:39.720
you know,

2035
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:40.460
you're saying there's,

2036
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.470
it doesn't pass the smell test.

2037
00:49:42.560 --> 00:49:44.260
If we're going more with vibes though,

2038
00:49:44.640 --> 00:49:45.780
do you feel like,

2039
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:46.590
you know,

2040
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:47.790
Democrats and liberals,

2041
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.150
the liberal media,

2042
00:49:49.240 --> 00:49:49.580
I mean,

2043
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.190
that is both a fake thing and a real thing.

2044
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.750
Do you think they got the vibes wrong?

2045
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:55.420
Do you think it was a mistake to

2046
00:49:55.750 --> 00:49:56.820
take Trump off of,

2047
00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:57.530
of,

2048
00:49:57.600 --> 00:49:57.780
uh,

2049
00:49:57.800 --> 00:49:58.350
Twitter?

2050
00:49:58.480 --> 00:49:58.910
I mean,

2051
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.600
now we read Truth Social

2052
00:50:02.120 --> 00:50:03.060
screenshots.

2053
00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:08.690
Everywhere and it's a platform he owns and monetizes to his own enrichment.

2054
00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:09.210
Like,

2055
00:50:09.370 --> 00:50:10.920
did the left misplay

2056
00:50:11.180 --> 00:50:11.720
some of,

2057
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:12.840
some of those moves?

2058
00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:13.760
I think

2059
00:50:14.060 --> 00:50:14.640
what

2060
00:50:14.870 --> 00:50:16.720
people on the left tried to do

2061
00:50:17.100 --> 00:50:17.850
was

2062
00:50:18.020 --> 00:50:21.380
once we got out of what was perceived to be the end of the Trump era,

2063
00:50:21.580 --> 00:50:23.600
just wrap it up and hide it away somewhere

2064
00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:25.530
where we could never see it again and obviously

2065
00:50:25.740 --> 00:50:26.520
that failed,

2066
00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:26.970
um,

2067
00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:30.120
and it blew up right in our face because Donald Trump did make his own.

2068
00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:30.680
Uh,

2069
00:50:30.810 --> 00:50:33.040
media company that he is now using to make

2070
00:50:33.040 --> 00:50:35.400
hundreds of thousands of dollars off of subscriptions that they're

2071
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.600
gonna sell to people on Wall Street so they

2072
00:50:36.600 --> 00:50:38.670
can get early access to his market moving tweets.

2073
00:50:38.890 --> 00:50:39.840
So 100%,

2074
00:50:39.930 --> 00:50:40.050
yeah,

2075
00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:40.600
I think the,

2076
00:50:40.770 --> 00:50:40.880
the,

2077
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:41.220
the whole

2078
00:50:41.370 --> 00:50:43.230
just suppress the opposition

2079
00:50:43.850 --> 00:50:44.850
definitely blew up in our face,

2080
00:50:44.890 --> 00:50:48.600
and that's exactly why Democrats need to adopt a posture of actually

2081
00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:52.170
directly confronting whoever it is that poses a threat to American democracy,

2082
00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:53.180
because at the end of the day,

2083
00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:54.460
the silence

2084
00:50:54.770 --> 00:50:55.770
breeds.

2085
00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:56.510
Um,

2086
00:50:56.720 --> 00:50:58.750
some level of legitimacy for the opposition.

2087
00:50:58.810 --> 00:51:00.870
That's why I'm very open to talking to radical figures.

2088
00:51:00.990 --> 00:51:03.070
I did talk to Jake Lang a while back.

2089
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:03.620
Um,

2090
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:05.550
I'm willing to talk to more radical figures,

2091
00:51:05.570 --> 00:51:06.220
of course.

2092
00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:07.410
Because at the end of the day,

2093
00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:09.320
if these people are allowed to speak

2094
00:51:09.740 --> 00:51:10.680
with no

2095
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:11.410
accountability,

2096
00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:12.810
with no semblance of pushback,

2097
00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:13.480
with no,

2098
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:15.160
no other critical voice

2099
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:16.480
to oppose their beliefs,

2100
00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:19.000
anybody who watches them is going to be under the impression that

2101
00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:20.810
there is a lot of truth to what they're saying.

2102
00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:21.280
So

2103
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.850
I don't think it was the best move to just ban Donald Trump of all social media.

2104
00:51:24.940 --> 00:51:25.690
Is it justifiable?

2105
00:51:25.720 --> 00:51:25.870
I mean,

2106
00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:26.540
I think so,

2107
00:51:26.700 --> 00:51:27.760
but at the end of the day,

2108
00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:29.000
it's a question of.

2109
00:51:29.730 --> 00:51:33.710
Remaining in power and making sure that people like him never get back into power and

2110
00:51:33.870 --> 00:51:37.640
just ignoring it isn't actually gonna make it go away if you're saying.

2111
00:51:38.010 --> 00:51:38.800
I hear what you're saying.

2112
00:51:38.890 --> 00:51:38.960
Well,

2113
00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:39.240
there's,

2114
00:51:39.290 --> 00:51:40.080
there's kind of two,

2115
00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:40.460
there's,

2116
00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:41.910
there's multiple layers here.

2117
00:51:42.530 --> 00:51:44.200
On the legal layer,

2118
00:51:44.490 --> 00:51:44.800
I mean,

2119
00:51:44.850 --> 00:51:45.990
it doesn't seem

2120
00:51:46.450 --> 00:51:48.600
like there's been clear cases where the First,

2121
00:51:48.730 --> 00:51:49.190
um,

2122
00:51:49.530 --> 00:51:50.950
Amendment was,

2123
00:51:51.010 --> 00:51:53.480
was obviously violated by the Biden administration.

2124
00:51:53.770 --> 00:51:53.810
I

2125
00:51:53.930 --> 00:51:54.430
mean when we

2126
00:51:54.530 --> 00:51:55.960
dig into the Twitter files though,

2127
00:51:56.690 --> 00:52:00.850
I think it's obvious that there was a left-leaning bias across

2128
00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:04.590
the most dominant media institutions around that time,

2129
00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:09.100
and they maybe fumbled the ball and were overreactive.

2130
00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:09.640
That

2131
00:52:10.020 --> 00:52:11.940
fueled a backlash

2132
00:52:12.810 --> 00:52:13.200
that

2133
00:52:13.450 --> 00:52:14.680
came back to bite them.

2134
00:52:15.390 --> 00:52:16.330
When you talk about,

2135
00:52:16.590 --> 00:52:16.820
you know,

2136
00:52:16.950 --> 00:52:18.210
the silence,

2137
00:52:19.270 --> 00:52:21.210
so are you kind of talking about

2138
00:52:21.350 --> 00:52:24.550
the hesitation on the left to engage with

2139
00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:25.580
right-wing,

2140
00:52:25.740 --> 00:52:27.210
far right voices,

2141
00:52:27.350 --> 00:52:27.840
um,

2142
00:52:28.310 --> 00:52:29.420
for fear of platforming?

2143
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.090
Do you think that's still too much of a phobia that people on the left have?

2144
00:52:33.190 --> 00:52:34.020
100%.

2145
00:52:34.270 --> 00:52:35.220
It's undeniable.

2146
00:52:35.390 --> 00:52:35.500
I,

2147
00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:36.540
I think a lot of people,

2148
00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:36.700
I,

2149
00:52:36.790 --> 00:52:37.370
I remember

2150
00:52:37.530 --> 00:52:39.010
to mention Jay Clang again.

2151
00:52:39.070 --> 00:52:40.250
I got some heat for

2152
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.130
debating him because I'm platforming him.

2153
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.540
This guy is a state sponsored terrorist.

2154
00:52:45.080 --> 00:52:47.520
The Trump administration pardoned him and since then he's

2155
00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:50.040
committed crimes on top of crimes across state lines.

2156
00:52:50.290 --> 00:52:51.800
That person is already platformed.

2157
00:52:51.890 --> 00:52:52.970
They've already been legitimized.

2158
00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:53.880
These ideas

2159
00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:56.400
are quite literally being discussed in the White House.

2160
00:52:56.770 --> 00:52:58.520
Suspension of habeas corpus,

2161
00:52:58.810 --> 00:53:00.390
suspension of American elections.

2162
00:53:00.530 --> 00:53:01.680
These things are serious.

2163
00:53:01.810 --> 00:53:02.230
So

2164
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.020
I think a lot of people are scared and they have the right to be,

2165
00:53:05.130 --> 00:53:06.880
but we're living through very scary times.

2166
00:53:06.970 --> 00:53:07.270
But

2167
00:53:07.490 --> 00:53:08.670
this idea that like,

2168
00:53:08.690 --> 00:53:10.030
would it be good for Mehdi,

2169
00:53:10.730 --> 00:53:10.880
um,

2170
00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:13.210
Mehdi Hassan to go to go debate him.

2171
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.070
Yes,

2172
00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:17.040
it'd be good for everybody to destroy Jake Lang and make him look like a fool.

2173
00:53:17.310 --> 00:53:17.390
I,

2174
00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:19.860
I think it's good actually for Mehdi Hassan to maybe do a

2175
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:21.950
1 v20 surrounded format kind of.

2176
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.470
I'm just joking,

2177
00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:22.860
obviously

2178
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.190
you got a lot of heat for it.

2179
00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:25.910
This is the thing about Mehdi Hassan

2180
00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:27.230
that I think is interesting.

2181
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:27.660
I,

2182
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.190
OK,

2183
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:29.790
so a little bit of tea.

2184
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.420
We had Mehdi booked to do a follow-up with me,

2185
00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:32.910
um,

2186
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:33.590
and this was gonna be,

2187
00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:33.790
I think,

2188
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.900
a day after or two days after the episode came out,

2189
00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:38.880
and at the last minute they're like,

2190
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:39.110
Oh,

2191
00:53:39.350 --> 00:53:40.200
my schedule changed,

2192
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:40.750
can't do it,

2193
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:41.290
sorry.

2194
00:53:41.810 --> 00:53:42.190
And

2195
00:53:42.330 --> 00:53:45.040
you know what it obviously was was like that episode went

2196
00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:48.060
super viral and there were bigger people to talk to than

2197
00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:50.450
than me and and and it's totally fine

2198
00:53:50.770 --> 00:53:51.190
but

2199
00:53:51.530 --> 00:53:54.560
what the narrative became was sort of like oh Jubilee is

2200
00:53:54.560 --> 00:53:57.670
like intentionally picked these people who are gonna be like um

2201
00:53:58.250 --> 00:54:01.360
totally awful towards Mehdi and we shouldn't platform

2202
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.840
fascists and I understand the real concerns rooted

2203
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:06.160
in there and I'm not saying that there

2204
00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:09.760
shouldn't be accountability and and and reflection on.

2205
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:11.420
Whether or not that's good,

2206
00:54:12.090 --> 00:54:12.550
but

2207
00:54:12.700 --> 00:54:13.790
it's undeniable

2208
00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:14.510
that

2209
00:54:15.050 --> 00:54:17.200
his profile was supercharged by that.

2210
00:54:17.330 --> 00:54:17.480
I mean,

2211
00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:19.400
he ran circles around

2212
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.680
those far right people,

2213
00:54:21.770 --> 00:54:25.070
and Charlie Kirk was sort of in the zeitgeist at the time,

2214
00:54:25.090 --> 00:54:25.520
and

2215
00:54:25.810 --> 00:54:27.880
Charlie Kirk made a name for himself,

2216
00:54:28.730 --> 00:54:29.200
going

2217
00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:30.640
out of his way,

2218
00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:34.970
wherever he could to find people on the far left and to debate them.

2219
00:54:35.330 --> 00:54:35.830
And

2220
00:54:35.970 --> 00:54:38.470
it was strange to me that Mehdi didn't

2221
00:54:39.090 --> 00:54:40.690
didn't absorb some.

2222
00:54:41.450 --> 00:54:42.790
Of that formula and just be like,

2223
00:54:42.810 --> 00:54:43.200
oh,

2224
00:54:43.650 --> 00:54:46.210
I can just put people on the far right in their place

2225
00:54:46.370 --> 00:54:47.520
on a regular basis,

2226
00:54:47.650 --> 00:54:49.820
that can be a movement in and of itself.

2227
00:54:50.570 --> 00:54:51.140
Maybe he,

2228
00:54:51.410 --> 00:54:51.560
you know,

2229
00:54:51.730 --> 00:54:53.880
maybe he's just like a more serious journalist than that.

2230
00:54:53.970 --> 00:54:54.120
I,

2231
00:54:54.250 --> 00:54:54.360
I,

2232
00:54:54.490 --> 00:54:55.130
I get that,

2233
00:54:55.250 --> 00:54:55.590
but

2234
00:54:55.770 --> 00:54:55.940
I,

2235
00:54:56.010 --> 00:54:56.260
I,

2236
00:54:56.410 --> 00:54:57.250
I don't know

2237
00:54:57.510 --> 00:54:59.700
why the left seems to feel like it's,

2238
00:54:59.770 --> 00:55:01.480
it's uh unacceptable to,

2239
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:01.920
to,

2240
00:55:01.970 --> 00:55:03.550
to come into contact with

2241
00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:05.720
the people who they should be so confident.

2242
00:55:06.330 --> 00:55:07.560
That they can put in their place.

2243
00:55:07.730 --> 00:55:08.840
It makes no sense,

2244
00:55:08.970 --> 00:55:09.160
right?

2245
00:55:09.250 --> 00:55:09.590
But

2246
00:55:09.970 --> 00:55:10.510
for some reason,

2247
00:55:10.570 --> 00:55:13.920
a lot of people on the left are very risk averse and whenever they're confronted with

2248
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.030
crazy ideas that are from the fringes of the fringes of the corners of the deepest

2249
00:55:19.190 --> 00:55:20.010
depths of hell,

2250
00:55:20.410 --> 00:55:21.030
obviously,

2251
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.510
they're gonna be a little

2252
00:55:22.730 --> 00:55:24.560
taken aback and reluctant,

2253
00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:25.240
but at the end of the day,

2254
00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:25.800
like I said,

2255
00:55:25.850 --> 00:55:26.350
I mean,

2256
00:55:26.970 --> 00:55:27.400
those people,

2257
00:55:27.530 --> 00:55:28.510
all those people

2258
00:55:28.850 --> 00:55:30.160
aligned with the Trump administration.

2259
00:55:30.470 --> 00:55:31.580
They want mass deportations.

2260
00:55:31.660 --> 00:55:34.050
They want to send foreigners back because they're poisoning the blood of our

2261
00:55:34.070 --> 00:55:36.810
country and they're eating our cats and dogs and taking everything from us.

2262
00:55:36.990 --> 00:55:37.970
They want to make sure

2263
00:55:38.140 --> 00:55:39.580
that Democrats cannot take power.

2264
00:55:39.710 --> 00:55:41.550
They want to establish an authoritarian regime.

2265
00:55:41.830 --> 00:55:45.850
These people are an extension of the people that are already in power.

2266
00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:46.490
So

2267
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:48.310
when we start saying things like,

2268
00:55:48.350 --> 00:55:48.460
oh,

2269
00:55:48.510 --> 00:55:50.420
we shouldn't platform them because we're granting legitimacy,

2270
00:55:50.470 --> 00:55:53.810
I think that's just incredibly naive and it's in denial of what's

2271
00:55:53.980 --> 00:55:55.860
actually happening because those ideas are already given.

2272
00:55:56.170 --> 00:55:56.690
Legitimacy.

2273
00:55:56.810 --> 00:55:58.280
Donald Trump is an authoritarian president,

2274
00:55:58.370 --> 00:55:59.230
at least in my opinion.

2275
00:55:59.450 --> 00:56:00.630
Some people may disagree,

2276
00:56:00.850 --> 00:56:01.210
but

2277
00:56:01.450 --> 00:56:02.750
that's how I view it and

2278
00:56:02.930 --> 00:56:03.470
I think

2279
00:56:03.610 --> 00:56:06.120
I'm really tired of Democrats or people having the

2280
00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:08.540
perception of Democrats or liberals as being timid,

2281
00:56:08.730 --> 00:56:09.840
as being risk averse,

2282
00:56:09.970 --> 00:56:12.870
as not being open to entertaining radical ideas because of how

2283
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:13.850
crazy they are.

2284
00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:16.650
And that grants them some level of legitimacy because they're like,

2285
00:56:16.730 --> 00:56:16.930
oh,

2286
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:17.640
look at them,

2287
00:56:17.690 --> 00:56:19.520
they're silent on this because they know he's right.

2288
00:56:19.570 --> 00:56:21.350
The elites don't want you to know this.

2289
00:56:22.110 --> 00:56:22.420
No,

2290
00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:24.830
you should definitely engage with these people and Democrats

2291
00:56:24.830 --> 00:56:26.790
need to adopt the identity or liberals in general.

2292
00:56:26.910 --> 00:56:30.090
Everybody on the left need to adopt the identity of a fighter because

2293
00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:30.780
at the end of the day,

2294
00:56:30.830 --> 00:56:31.670
I think that's what we need.

2295
00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:32.860
We need people that aren't gonna be on the

2296
00:56:32.860 --> 00:56:34.890
front lines because the Lord knows the right has

2297
00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:39.690
an abundance of people who are constantly mouthing off the most disgusting things.

2298
00:56:40.120 --> 00:56:40.910
So We need something similar.

2299
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.740
We need a counter and that's why I think debate

2300
00:56:42.990 --> 00:56:44.000
specifically is important.

2301
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.350
And it's also why I'm a little ruthless when I talk to these people.

2302
00:56:46.560 --> 00:56:46.710
No,

2303
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:47.040
and I,

2304
00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:47.350
I mean,

2305
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:48.250
I sense that in,

2306
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:49.300
in sort of your,

2307
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.990
your technique and you and Austin are,

2308
00:56:51.030 --> 00:56:51.260
are,

2309
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.220
are doing similar things in some ways

2310
00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:54.910
as long as it's not too belligerent,

2311
00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:58.190
I guess going back to kind of what we were exploring earlier because.

2312
00:56:59.020 --> 00:57:01.930
The thing that stood out to me about the Mehdi

2313
00:57:02.060 --> 00:57:04.320
encounter in Surrounded was just how

2314
00:57:04.660 --> 00:57:06.210
it seemed so effortless.

2315
00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:06.700
Like

2316
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:07.910
he he he

2317
00:57:08.020 --> 00:57:09.980
he handled it so effortlessly.

2318
00:57:10.270 --> 00:57:11.240
I know how he did it.

2319
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:11.790
Yeah,

2320
00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:12.580
and it wasn't

2321
00:57:12.820 --> 00:57:13.210
real quick.

2322
00:57:14.330 --> 00:57:14.450
No,

2323
00:57:14.490 --> 00:57:15.120
I mean it was wild.

2324
00:57:15.140 --> 00:57:16.590
It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen,

2325
00:57:16.730 --> 00:57:18.390
but to Charlie Kirk's credit,

2326
00:57:18.490 --> 00:57:19.860
I do think there was a,

2327
00:57:19.940 --> 00:57:20.260
a,

2328
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.020
a similar sense of,

2329
00:57:22.050 --> 00:57:23.130
of control

2330
00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:26.040
in the places he chose to engage where he,

2331
00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:29.310
he seemed so confident that he could handle it.

2332
00:57:29.330 --> 00:57:30.670
That does take talent,

2333
00:57:30.890 --> 00:57:32.750
and so you don't want the wrong person like running

2334
00:57:32.770 --> 00:57:36.160
into burning buildings and coming out looking like a fool.

2335
00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:36.810
But

2336
00:57:36.930 --> 00:57:37.280
uh

2337
00:57:38.290 --> 00:57:38.660
anyway,

2338
00:57:39.390 --> 00:57:40.770
just some strategy thoughts.

2339
00:57:41.390 --> 00:57:41.700
OK,

2340
00:57:41.790 --> 00:57:42.060
I know,

2341
00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:43.140
I agree 100%.

2342
00:57:43.590 --> 00:57:45.290
Last thing I want to talk to you about,

2343
00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:48.060
the Republican Party is protecting child traffickers.

2344
00:57:48.190 --> 00:57:48.820
Starts petition.

2345
00:57:48.910 --> 00:57:49.540
They voted for the act.

2346
00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:50.140
What's the number?

2347
00:57:50.350 --> 00:57:51.220
I don't know the exact roll.

2348
00:57:51.270 --> 00:57:54.260
216 House Republicans voted to release the Epstein files,

2349
00:57:54.390 --> 00:57:54.580
correct?

2350
00:57:55.030 --> 00:57:55.300
OK,

2351
00:57:55.550 --> 00:57:59.220
so to make an absurd claim that all Republicans are protecting child predators,

2352
00:57:59.270 --> 00:58:00.000
I think you're

2353
00:58:00.510 --> 00:58:01.660
an absurd human being

2354
00:58:01.850 --> 00:58:02.040
to,

2355
00:58:02.070 --> 00:58:03.070
to make a

2356
00:58:03.190 --> 00:58:04.330
a generalization like that.

2357
00:58:04.710 --> 00:58:04.900
Um,

2358
00:58:05.070 --> 00:58:07.030
so we have people like Rhonda Santos down in,

2359
00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:07.180
uh,

2360
00:58:07.270 --> 00:58:07.300
uh,

2361
00:58:07.470 --> 00:58:07.980
Florida

2362
00:58:08.190 --> 00:58:10.700
who want to lower the unanimous vote to put child.

2363
00:58:11.540 --> 00:58:11.690
Uh,

2364
00:58:11.900 --> 00:58:12.540
executed,

2365
00:58:12.780 --> 00:58:12.930
uh,

2366
00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:13.450
right,

2367
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.440
we have Nancy May advocating for child

2368
00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:16.370
to be executed.

2369
00:58:16.620 --> 00:58:17.510
So this claim and idea,

2370
00:58:18.340 --> 00:58:18.850
so this claim,

2371
00:58:19.060 --> 00:58:21.410
this claim and idea that House Republicans or Republicans

2372
00:58:21.410 --> 00:58:24.490
in general are protecting child predators is absolutely asinine.

2373
00:58:24.580 --> 00:58:24.890
OK.

2374
00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.850
Is Rhonda Santos calling for the release of

2375
00:58:26.850 --> 00:58:28.820
the 3 million Epstein files in DOJ custody?

2376
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:29.480
I'm not sure what

2377
00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:30.530
Rhonda Santos is.

2378
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:34.730
Are the House Republicans right now enraged that the president that they support

2379
00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:36.730
has still not released 3 million files?

2380
00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:37.090
What,

2381
00:58:37.180 --> 00:58:37.290
what,

2382
00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:40.210
what files have not yet to be released 3 million in DOJ custody.

2383
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:40.970
We don't know because they haven't released.

2384
00:58:41.370 --> 00:58:43.520
The American people are asking for transparency,

2385
00:58:43.610 --> 00:58:46.240
and it is the job of these public servants to do the job.

2386
00:58:46.330 --> 00:58:47.790
That was you and Isaiah.

2387
00:58:48.330 --> 00:58:48.880
He was great.

2388
00:58:49.010 --> 00:58:49.360
He was great.

2389
00:58:49.450 --> 00:58:51.590
I think out of everybody he was definitely the most reasonable person.

2390
00:58:51.730 --> 00:58:53.120
I thought Isaiah was coming

2391
00:58:53.250 --> 00:58:53.960
at you with some,

2392
00:58:54.030 --> 00:58:54.510
some

2393
00:58:54.650 --> 00:58:55.470
good arguments.

2394
00:58:55.730 --> 00:58:56.100
Why,

2395
00:58:56.130 --> 00:58:59.760
why did it feel like you needed this to be one of your core claims?

2396
00:58:59.930 --> 00:59:00.350
They

2397
00:59:00.790 --> 00:59:01.560
campaigned on this.

2398
00:59:01.690 --> 00:59:05.600
Every single pundit imaginable wanted to make it this huge scheme.

2399
00:59:05.770 --> 00:59:07.310
Top bottom elites

2400
00:59:07.970 --> 00:59:08.050
are,

2401
00:59:08.140 --> 00:59:10.680
are doing the most heinous acts against children.

2402
00:59:11.100 --> 00:59:12.500
And then once they take power,

2403
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:15.250
they delay it for a year and then the legislature tries

2404
00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:17.650
to force their hand and they're still not following federal law.

2405
00:59:17.700 --> 00:59:18.120
I think

2406
00:59:18.260 --> 00:59:19.730
if you're a Republican in office

2407
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:20.880
and you are not

2408
00:59:21.460 --> 00:59:22.850
speaking about this ad nauseam.

2409
00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:25.100
Then there's something definitely wrong.

2410
00:59:25.540 --> 00:59:26.470
And that's what I say

2411
00:59:26.580 --> 00:59:27.320
they're protecting.

2412
00:59:27.370 --> 00:59:28.320
They're protecting the image.

2413
00:59:28.410 --> 00:59:30.590
They're protecting the reputation of Jeffrey Epstein,

2414
00:59:30.650 --> 00:59:33.390
and the fact that it's really only Thomas Massey

2415
00:59:33.550 --> 00:59:37.030
who's looking to actively vote in favor or even create new legislation

2416
00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:38.400
to force the administration's hands,

2417
00:59:38.450 --> 00:59:39.550
I think speaks to

2418
00:59:40.010 --> 00:59:42.250
the level of loyalty and respect,

2419
00:59:43.050 --> 00:59:45.350
misplaced respect the Republican Party has for

2420
00:59:45.590 --> 00:59:46.160
Dear Leader,

2421
00:59:46.290 --> 00:59:48.280
and I just felt like I needed to talk about it.

2422
00:59:48.450 --> 00:59:48.960
Mhm.

2423
00:59:49.370 --> 00:59:49.750
Yeah.

2424
00:59:51.020 --> 00:59:51.640
I

2425
00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:55.650
wonder if we are experiencing a mass hysteria moment

2426
00:59:56.140 --> 00:59:58.130
around child predators,

2427
00:59:58.220 --> 00:59:58.570
um,

2428
00:59:58.740 --> 01:00:00.390
and I wonder if it's,

2429
01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:02.470
if it's a little bit of like toxic

2430
01:00:02.580 --> 01:00:03.530
waste to,

2431
01:00:03.580 --> 01:00:04.570
to interact with.

2432
01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.050
So,

2433
01:00:05.420 --> 01:00:05.640
you know,

2434
01:00:05.660 --> 01:00:06.200
we did the,

2435
01:00:06.220 --> 01:00:06.760
uh,

2436
01:00:07.060 --> 01:00:07.780
Rona

2437
01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:08.360
episode.

2438
01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:09.760
And I,

2439
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:10.110
you know,

2440
01:00:10.200 --> 01:00:10.330
I,

2441
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.210
I talked to some people there and did,

2442
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:13.660
did a little bit of digging and there was

2443
01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:17.300
actually a lot more skepticism towards what the Epstein

2444
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.940
story was about in that cast than I expected and

2445
01:00:21.160 --> 01:00:23.120
it was a campaign promise

2446
01:00:23.600 --> 01:00:24.080
and.

2447
01:00:24.910 --> 01:00:26.090
Then as soon as Trump

2448
01:00:26.220 --> 01:00:26.630
won,

2449
01:00:26.990 --> 01:00:27.250
you know,

2450
01:00:27.470 --> 01:00:28.320
with Pam Bondi,

2451
01:00:28.470 --> 01:00:28.520
uh,

2452
01:00:28.670 --> 01:00:30.470
it seemed like they were slow walking it.

2453
01:00:30.670 --> 01:00:32.090
I wonder if it's just dangerous

2454
01:00:32.270 --> 01:00:33.390
to say like

2455
01:00:33.670 --> 01:00:37.690
there's pedophiles like the Republican Party is protecting pedophiles and,

2456
01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:38.190
and

2457
01:00:38.590 --> 01:00:39.150
like the,

2458
01:00:39.210 --> 01:00:41.450
the evidence doesn't necessarily point to that.

2459
01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:41.660
It,

2460
01:00:41.710 --> 01:00:41.870
it,

2461
01:00:41.950 --> 01:00:43.490
it does point to

2462
01:00:44.100 --> 01:00:47.540
a problematic relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

2463
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:48.840
But

2464
01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:49.520
I don't,

2465
01:00:49.770 --> 01:00:51.160
as far as my understanding goes,

2466
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.500
I don't think there's a treasure trove of evidence

2467
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.300
that

2468
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.400
corroborates claims of

2469
01:00:58.150 --> 01:00:59.760
and that are just being sat on.

2470
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.730
And I do wonder if that becomes the story like

2471
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:04.440
Pizza Gate was

2472
01:01:05.100 --> 01:01:05.560
Like

2473
01:01:05.780 --> 01:01:08.380
there's some psychosis that this subject matter

2474
01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:09.330
leads to,

2475
01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:11.120
so it seems dangerous to me.

2476
01:01:11.300 --> 01:01:13.170
I don't necessarily disagree,

2477
01:01:13.220 --> 01:01:14.890
and that's why when I was making an argument,

2478
01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:15.100
I mean,

2479
01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:15.850
you saw it in the clip,

2480
01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:19.130
it was primarily appealing to the desires of the American people.

2481
01:01:19.370 --> 01:01:22.290
Now I don't want to play to some irrational fervor,

2482
01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:22.530
uh,

2483
01:01:22.660 --> 01:01:26.520
and like this mass hysteria moment where people are really under the impression

2484
01:01:26.740 --> 01:01:27.970
that every American elite,

2485
01:01:28.060 --> 01:01:30.170
every person in Congress was secretly in cahoots with

2486
01:01:30.170 --> 01:01:32.850
Jeffrey Epstein and an accomplice or even engaged in.

2487
01:01:33.270 --> 01:01:34.490
The disgusting acts

2488
01:01:34.620 --> 01:01:35.640
that he was held

2489
01:01:35.850 --> 01:01:36.760
accountable for

2490
01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:38.930
by a rope in his jail cell,

2491
01:01:39.060 --> 01:01:39.420
sorry.

2492
01:01:39.740 --> 01:01:40.160
So,

2493
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:42.410
specifically with Trump,

2494
01:01:42.500 --> 01:01:43.800
I'm not claiming

2495
01:01:44.220 --> 01:01:47.960
that there is irrefutable evidence of him partaking in similar activities.

2496
01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:49.720
What I do know though

2497
01:01:50.060 --> 01:01:53.490
is that it's incredibly suspicious that this man ordered our three-letter

2498
01:01:53.490 --> 01:01:55.650
agencies to scrub through the files and remove his name.

2499
01:01:56.210 --> 01:01:57.000
And on top of that,

2500
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.310
constantly slow walk and delay and try to obfuscate away from it

2501
01:02:01.450 --> 01:02:03.200
for the purpose of not releasing everything.

2502
01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:05.590
And especially what they did with Jillaine Maxwell,

2503
01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:08.440
moving her to a uh lower security prison where she

2504
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.470
could be given a puppy and has gourmet food and

2505
01:02:10.610 --> 01:02:11.760
better living conditions.

2506
01:02:12.050 --> 01:02:14.320
I think that treatment is definitely concerning,

2507
01:02:14.570 --> 01:02:14.760
um,

2508
01:02:14.850 --> 01:02:17.710
as well as the pardoning of some January Sixers who ended up engaging in

2509
01:02:17.830 --> 01:02:19.360
very disgusting acts with children.

2510
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:21.470
But I don't want to

2511
01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:24.140
have it taken as every single Republican is a part of this.

2512
01:02:24.250 --> 01:02:24.650
Rather,

2513
01:02:25.020 --> 01:02:26.090
Republicans are indifferent,

2514
01:02:26.220 --> 01:02:27.760
and that is something that should

2515
01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:29.170
make you feel uneasy.

2516
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:29.370
Now,

2517
01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:31.400
does that mean that every single Republican is support of this?

2518
01:02:31.420 --> 01:02:31.940
Of course not,

2519
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:34.290
but what they're doing is a political calculation in their head,

2520
01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:36.900
and they know that they prefer Donald Trump in power

2521
01:02:37.120 --> 01:02:39.450
than Democrats taking power of both houses of Congress

2522
01:02:39.620 --> 01:02:41.170
and inevitably winning the presidency.

2523
01:02:41.540 --> 01:02:42.680
And that level of

2524
01:02:43.120 --> 01:02:45.710
I guess actions for the purpose of political expedience

2525
01:02:45.710 --> 01:02:47.460
is definitely something that you should be concerned with.

2526
01:02:47.620 --> 01:02:48.740
You make a very good point,

2527
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:49.900
and it is very concerning,

2528
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:51.460
and I don't want to just play to this

2529
01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:52.980
mass hysteria moment because

2530
01:02:53.240 --> 01:02:53.740
it can

2531
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:55.630
obviously devolve into something very bad.

2532
01:02:55.850 --> 01:02:58.120
So I think that's a very much a reasonable criticism.

2533
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.510
Yeah,

2534
01:02:58.640 --> 01:02:58.750
well,

2535
01:02:58.800 --> 01:02:59.230
I just,

2536
01:02:59.430 --> 01:02:59.550
you know,

2537
01:02:59.640 --> 01:02:59.700
I,

2538
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.530
I used to watch a lot of the Daily Wire,

2539
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:04.780
and I feel like Ben Shapiro's gone through a moment where he's like,

2540
01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:05.510
man,

2541
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:06.660
some of the

2542
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.990
political stories and movements that my company,

2543
01:03:10.160 --> 01:03:10.350
you know,

2544
01:03:10.490 --> 01:03:10.950
helped.

2545
01:03:11.410 --> 01:03:14.350
Fan the flames of have come back to haunt me

2546
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.020
and

2547
01:03:15.290 --> 01:03:16.800
and Epstein is

2548
01:03:17.160 --> 01:03:18.060
it's a great

2549
01:03:18.250 --> 01:03:19.150
catchy

2550
01:03:19.490 --> 01:03:20.080
story

2551
01:03:20.210 --> 01:03:21.850
and it's horrifying in a lot of ways.

2552
01:03:21.970 --> 01:03:23.830
If all those files were released,

2553
01:03:24.260 --> 01:03:24.550
you know,

2554
01:03:24.570 --> 01:03:25.810
like what would come of it?

2555
01:03:25.890 --> 01:03:26.510
Would it just

2556
01:03:26.680 --> 01:03:30.350
be a lot of victims' names and people who

2557
01:03:30.730 --> 01:03:31.790
there are no criminal

2558
01:03:32.010 --> 01:03:32.990
charges against

2559
01:03:33.130 --> 01:03:34.010
their lives just sort of.

2560
01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:35.340
Being thrown into chaos,

2561
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:35.450
like,

2562
01:03:35.560 --> 01:03:37.050
don't you think there's probably a good reason

2563
01:03:37.190 --> 01:03:38.690
that a lot of those files are,

2564
01:03:38.990 --> 01:03:39.700
are still,

2565
01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:40.060
uh,

2566
01:03:40.430 --> 01:03:41.050
classified?

2567
01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:41.850
I think,

2568
01:03:42.070 --> 01:03:42.180
uh,

2569
01:03:42.270 --> 01:03:46.430
it's clearly laid out in the criteria for classification or redaction

2570
01:03:46.710 --> 01:03:48.500
that there are some things that you're allowed to redact,

2571
01:03:48.550 --> 01:03:49.780
and you have to explain it to Congress.

2572
01:03:49.870 --> 01:03:51.190
The administration hasn't done that.

2573
01:03:51.470 --> 01:03:54.820
I think America is unique in its lack of prosecution of these people.

2574
01:03:54.870 --> 01:03:56.490
We've seen it in numerous countries,

2575
01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:56.950
uh,

2576
01:03:57.110 --> 01:03:59.180
where people are being held accountable for their appearance.

2577
01:03:59.230 --> 01:04:01.110
They are directly being indicted for their appearance.

2578
01:04:01.130 --> 01:04:02.460
I know it happened in the UK.

2579
01:04:02.850 --> 01:04:03.160
Um,

2580
01:04:03.330 --> 01:04:04.720
there was another country as well.

2581
01:04:04.890 --> 01:04:05.360
And like I said,

2582
01:04:05.450 --> 01:04:06.320
I'm not claiming that this,

2583
01:04:06.450 --> 01:04:07.600
it's gonna be a bombshell,

2584
01:04:07.650 --> 01:04:08.470
holy crap,

2585
01:04:08.530 --> 01:04:10.670
every single political elite engaged in these acts,

2586
01:04:10.870 --> 01:04:12.910
but the American people want transparency,

2587
01:04:13.130 --> 01:04:17.990
and I think no transparency is only going to aid and build up these movements and say,

2588
01:04:18.010 --> 01:04:19.530
why isn't that they're doing this?

2589
01:04:19.550 --> 01:04:20.550
I don't want people to believe

2590
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.260
that Jeffrey Epstein had a

2591
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:23.890
His finger in every single pie and had

2592
01:04:23.890 --> 01:04:25.850
all the contact information of every single rep,

2593
01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:26.360
but

2594
01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:30.690
he did know a lot of important people and there are 302s against Donald Trump himself

2595
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.210
which the administration has definitely been stonewalling the release of,

2596
01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:33.920
which are

2597
01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:36.480
reoccurring interviews with an alleged victim of the president.

2598
01:04:36.740 --> 01:04:40.250
Now what you want is release all the information and if there's anything

2599
01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:41.850
found to be not credible,

2600
01:04:42.020 --> 01:04:42.050
yeah,

2601
01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:42.660
not credible,

2602
01:04:43.010 --> 01:04:43.020
yeah,

2603
01:04:43.100 --> 01:04:43.210
yeah,

2604
01:04:43.340 --> 01:04:43.680
yeah,

2605
01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:45.340
not enough evidence for prosecution.

2606
01:04:45.390 --> 01:04:46.680
But at the end of the day

2607
01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:49.370
what's important here is if there is anything.

2608
01:04:50.450 --> 01:04:51.810
The whole point is launch

2609
01:04:51.990 --> 01:04:52.500
investigations,

2610
01:04:52.620 --> 01:04:52.740
right?

2611
01:04:52.830 --> 01:04:53.700
Get to the bottom of this,

2612
01:04:53.790 --> 01:04:54.730
really find out

2613
01:04:54.950 --> 01:04:55.100
if,

2614
01:04:55.190 --> 01:04:56.180
if anybody else played a role,

2615
01:04:56.230 --> 01:04:57.250
if there was only really just

2616
01:04:57.420 --> 01:04:59.270
Epstein and one co-conspirator,

2617
01:04:59.670 --> 01:05:00.020
um,

2618
01:05:00.230 --> 01:05:03.170
for just for the sake of easing tensions and I guess

2619
01:05:03.230 --> 01:05:07.860
finally closing the door on the question of crazys in office,

2620
01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:08.540
you know.

2621
01:05:09.340 --> 01:05:09.570
Yeah,

2622
01:05:09.740 --> 01:05:09.990
no,

2623
01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:10.480
I mean,

2624
01:05:10.540 --> 01:05:10.770
there's,

2625
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:11.370
there's a,

2626
01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:11.690
the,

2627
01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:12.840
the satanic

2628
01:05:13.020 --> 01:05:14.240
panic of the nineties,

2629
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:15.250
what was that?

2630
01:05:15.310 --> 01:05:15.480
And,

2631
01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:16.610
and there's a little bit of,

2632
01:05:16.660 --> 01:05:17.760
of that going on now.

2633
01:05:18.270 --> 01:05:18.650
Well,

2634
01:05:18.910 --> 01:05:19.410
David,

2635
01:05:19.790 --> 01:05:20.420
thank you for,

2636
01:05:20.550 --> 01:05:21.280
for doing this.

2637
01:05:21.390 --> 01:05:21.700
Um,

2638
01:05:22.670 --> 01:05:23.580
thanks for doing surrounded.

2639
01:05:23.790 --> 01:05:25.700
It's no small feat to be in the center.

2640
01:05:25.950 --> 01:05:26.580
And yeah,

2641
01:05:26.630 --> 01:05:27.300
I wanted to say,

2642
01:05:27.430 --> 01:05:27.580
you know,

2643
01:05:27.710 --> 01:05:30.350
congrats to the work you and Austin are doing with the split.

2644
01:05:30.590 --> 01:05:33.240
I look forward to seeing you in that more,

2645
01:05:33.550 --> 01:05:33.930
and,

2646
01:05:33.950 --> 01:05:34.610
um,

2647
01:05:34.750 --> 01:05:35.420
it's been fun to,

2648
01:05:35.550 --> 01:05:35.780
to,

2649
01:05:35.950 --> 01:05:36.690
to dig in with you.

2650
01:05:36.710 --> 01:05:39.020
You're my first interview post paternity leave,

2651
01:05:39.120 --> 01:05:40.560
so thanks for going easy on me.

2652
01:05:40.830 --> 01:05:41.300
That's awesome.

2653
01:05:41.390 --> 01:05:41.500
No,

2654
01:05:41.590 --> 01:05:42.670
of course it was a great time.

2655
01:05:42.750 --> 01:05:43.260
You're awesome,

2656
01:05:43.310 --> 01:05:43.580
dude.

2657
01:05:43.670 --> 01:05:44.200
Seriously,

2658
01:05:44.470 --> 01:05:45.260
I appreciate it.

2659
01:05:45.470 --> 01:05:45.620
All right,

2660
01:05:45.710 --> 01:05:46.020
take care,

2661
01:05:46.110 --> 01:05:46.380
man.

2662
01:05:46.790 --> 01:05:46.980
See you soon.

2663
01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:47.450
Likewise,

2664
01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:48.430
have an incredible day.

2665
01:05:48.550 --> 01:05:50.940
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2666
01:05:51.030 --> 01:05:51.800
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2667
01:05:51.990 --> 01:05:53.380
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2668
01:05:53.630 --> 01:05:55.810
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2669
01:05:56.070 --> 01:05:56.140
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2670
01:05:56.230 --> 01:05:57.820
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2671
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:59.250
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01:05:59.390 --> 01:06:01.930
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2673
01:06:02.150 --> 01:06:03.290
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2674
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2675
01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:06.770
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2676
01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:07.630
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2677
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:08.660
you could be wrong,

2678
01:06:08.990 --> 01:06:09.660
so could I.

2679
01:06:09.830 --> 01:06:10.830
Keep your mind open

2680
01:06:11.200 --> 01:06:11.910
until next time.