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You've

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been on the damn

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anti-blackish

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anti-blackish

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and you're queer folding.

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To me,

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it felt like

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Playing in the NBA finals a little bit and,

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and you know,

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for,

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for,

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for political purposes,

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right?

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It felt like playing in the NBA finals because everybody knows who surrounded is.

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I said that Kamala Harris was a political panda bear and I was telling black

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Americans that we all need to wake up and not just be so beholden to

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the left or to the right because guess what,

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now

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you can finally shut up about racism.

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Now if you go out and fail,

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you've now failed because your bad decision making.

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is the root cause of it.

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You can no longer blame the white man,

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you can no longer blame the government,

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you can't blame anybody but your own stupid decision making.

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Hey,

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Austin,

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it's so good to see you again.

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You know,

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thank you for jumping into the circle to debate 20 liberals

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and thank you for joining us on our surrounded podcast.

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Happy to be here.

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Uh,

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it's a very different experience this time around.

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Yeah,

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no,

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I know you've been wanting your own surrounding episode for a while now,

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and your episode,

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it got pretty spicy.

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So,

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yeah,

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so how was it like finally getting that opportunity?

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you know,

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it's one of those things where

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it's just,

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it's very interesting to say.

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I mean,

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there's,

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there's no way to really describe it.

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Being,

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going from being one of the people that sits in the chair to now

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you're the one that is,

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you know,

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surrounded.

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It's,

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it's,

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it's its own.

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It felt,

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it to me,

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it felt like

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playing in the NBA Finals a little bit,

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and,

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and,

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you know,

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for,

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for,

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for political purposes,

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right?

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It felt like playing in the NBA Finals because everybody knows who surrounded is.

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You know,

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you look at the pantheon of people that had been on the show,

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you look at Charlie Kirk,

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you look at Candace Owens,

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you look at Amanda Seales even,

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um,

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you look at Piers Morgan to join that list of people that have done something and have

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defended their ideas,

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you know,

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from 20 people that all disagree with them.

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it's,

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it's,

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it's,

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you know,

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in our,

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in our profession as a content creator,

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as a political content creator,

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it to me it's the,

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it is,

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it's the equivalent of playing in the finals,

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and I felt like

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it was fun,

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it was enjoyable.

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there were some hilarious moments in my head where I had to keep my cool,

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but it was,

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I enjoyed every second of it.

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I'm not gonna lie,

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it was fun.

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it was very,

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very entertaining to watch.

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So I appreciate you being a good sport.

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Um,

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but let's rewind though,

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for viewers who don't know you,

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can you give us a little bit about your background and

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how you got into political debates?

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believe it or not,

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for those of you that don't know me,

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I've actually started,

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talking about relationships,

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religion and politics on Clubhouse back in 2020.

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went viral with Amber Rose a couple of times,

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going back and forth arguing about religion actually,

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and that exploded into,

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TikTok where I made a a viral video.

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I said that Kamala Harris was a political panda bear and I was telling Black

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Americans that we all need to wake up and not just be so beholden to

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the left or to the right.

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and that video got like 1.

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6 million views and then

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my oldest sister actually gets the credit

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for me uh joining the Jubilee circle to begin with because uh she saw that

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the casting call was out for uh conservatives to surround one liberal.

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That liberal happened to end up being Amanda Seales.

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And so that was what really propelled me into it,

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but I've always been involved in

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you know,

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studying politics,

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debating it,

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um,

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as I said in the episode,

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I intend to run for office at some point,

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but that's,

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you know,

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as,

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as much of a nutshell as I can give you,

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that's how I got started,

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just always been running my mouth ever since I was a kid,

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I did not know that that's how you got started,

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especially on Clubhouse.

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OK.

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So I know you have not seen the episode at all yet.

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These are going to be the first clips you see and get to react to.

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So I want to start with your surrounding claim

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that the left cares more about the LGBTQ community

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than it does the black community.

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This clip is with an interaction you had with Trey.

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I'm also one of these double minorities that's black and gay and

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I kind of see this as us trying to pin

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each other against when you don't care about either group.

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You don't care about black people.

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I just sat here and told you I want black people to get a check

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besides reparations,

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what's the other black

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populist policies you advocate for?

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everything we just discussed from the first for the first claim,

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I would like to see a more egalitarian society crafted between black

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men and black women where my black sisters don't have $66 million.

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Wait a minute,

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what do you mean what is the policy?

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You asked me what I'm advocating for.

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What is the policy?

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There is no policy for that.

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I'm telling you what I'm advocating.

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so you want the left to argue for a policy that doesn't exist,

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that can't lead to that.

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There's no.

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does exist.

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What are you talking about?

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You just said there's no policy that leads to

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the equitable or egalitarian to see that created.

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If I say I want to see it created,

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it means that nothing really exists.

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We need to actually,

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the Democratic Party in this case,

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that's what we're talking about,

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they would actually need to show me

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that they're going to create and initiate that HR 40 task force

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to examine the last.

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Do you know how much money black people lost from slavery?

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Over $286 billion free labor was extracted from black folks.

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Whether it shouldn't matter whether you're gay,

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straight,

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and how much do Republicans talk about it.

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what is the claim?

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No,

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that's true,

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that's true.

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I,

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the reason I ask,

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The reason I ask is because the left,

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how much does the left talk about that?

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How much does the left talk about it?

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so the Republicans don't talk about it,

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but the left does,

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but you want to talk about the left being bad.

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Cars more.

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The right don't belong in this conversation.

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let me show you an issue with

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let me show you an issue where the left does care more about black people.

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Show me.

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Did Joe Biden say he wanted a gay VP or did he say he wanted a black VP?

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if you don't vote for me,

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you ain't black.

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that was that the question racist as hell,

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which is racist as hell.

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Oh boy.

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like I said,

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very entertaining.

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So your claim was that the left cares more

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about the LGBT community than the black community.

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What evidence do you have to support that

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that's the left's priority,

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the LGBT community over the black community?

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what I mean by that is if you go back and look at,

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if you watch the rest of that clip.

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I name what I'm talking about is the speed and efficiency of which the left um

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identifies and corrects and addresses the issues of those that

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identify as members of the LGBTQ community.

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What,

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um,

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the Obergefell case that was overturned that allowed,

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same-sex marriage to be legalized at the federal level,

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I think that happened in 2013,

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between 2011 and 2013.

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It was under the Obama administration,

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I wanna say it was Illinois or Wisconsin,

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somebody will fact check me in the comments,

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that began to,

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Massachusetts began to recognize same-sex marriages at

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the state level back in 2004.

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what I'm talking about is the speed at which they recognize it,

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the speed at which they address it.

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at the very same time,

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Black Americans had struggled with slavery physically for 200 years,

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then Jim Crow for another 100 years,

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and the Democratic Party loves weaponizing

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the talk about uh we we need to combat systemic injustice,

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we need to combat racism,

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and,

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but there's never been anything substantially on paper done

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to correct the lasting economic damage that was caused

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by uh Jim Crow.

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If we,

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in my reparations

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program,

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if I ever,

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you know,

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became president and got one,

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it would actually be confined to Jim Crow more specifically because my,

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my mother was born in '65,

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uh,

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her,

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my grandfather,

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both my grandfathers recently passed away,

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but the people that were alive still that can clearly remember

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Martin Luther King giving I Have a Dream speech,

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they can clearly remember having a drink from colored water fountains,

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the left has never addressed that in mass.

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They talk about they'll do it,

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you know,

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HR 40 was passed,

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uh,

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or still hasn't been passed,

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which is just the creation of a task force itself.

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Uh,

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to investigate,

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uh,

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economic disadvantages caused by Jim Crow and slavery.

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So it's,

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it's,

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uh,

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you know,

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but if you're LGBT if you're a member of the LGBTQIA community,

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the biggest barrier to your recognition,

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uh,

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your marriage being recognized was overturned under

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the Obama administration,

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which only took about 96 years in total as opposed to

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how long black folks have been struggling in this country.

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So,

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as a whole,

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you know,

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it's like I shouldn't need to add

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another,

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I shouldn't have to become,

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as I said in the episode.

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I shouldn't need to become an additional minority within

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a minority to be seen faster by the government.

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Me being black by itself should be enough,

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because the reason I wanna

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see black people get some form of reparations is because guess what,

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now

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you can finally shut up about racism.

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Now if you go out and fail,

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you've now failed because your bad decision making.

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is the root cause of it.

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You can no longer blame the white man,

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you can no longer blame the government,

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you can't blame anybody but your own stupid decision making.

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Or

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you go out here and you get that check and you get the economic

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disadvantage corrected

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and then you blow past all your competition.

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Either,

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either,

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either of those are possible.

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I just wanna see the,

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I wanna see the opportunity there.

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That's it.

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So,

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you speak of HR 40 and you're putting a huge emphasis on reparations,

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but aside from reparations,

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you know,

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what other policy initiatives do you feel are falling

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by the wayside that would benefit the black community?

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Well,

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it's,

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there,

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there's,

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there's not one that's falling by the wayside necessarily.

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There's just a lack of care for the

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restructuring and the re-strengthening of the black community.

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One of the weakest areas that we have,

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we have a family crisis in the black community,

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right?

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There,

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the out of wedlock birth rate in this country among black people is,

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is still over 65%.

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The left actually advocates more for

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government dependency

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than it does self-sufficiency,

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and that's a problem for me.

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You,

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you look at the Great Society programs that were

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put in place by Lyndon Johnson from 1965,

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uh,

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and you look at the net neg you look at

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the effects that that had on the black community.

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Kamala Harris,

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uh,

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went and was speaking to HBCUs,

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college students at HBCUs,

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basically advocating for women to get abortions,

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advocating for them to be single mothers,

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and doing this while at the same time

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trying to promote Christian values.

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Those are inherently

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Contradictory.

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Um,

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the,

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the,

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the policies that the left gives and offers to Black Americans

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are just

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do as thou wilt,

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do what you feel is good.

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Don't,

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there,

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there's been a lack of care for the

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restructuring and the strengthening of the nuclear family which

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Black people have always been at our

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economic strong

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economically strongest

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when our traditional families have been most intact.

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Regardless of how poor we were in this country,

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regardless of what

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we had to deal with in the nation.

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Um,

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if,

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if we stuck together,

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economically,

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we were better off,

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our kids were better off,

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our communities were better off.

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Uh,

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the Black dollar was circulated within the Black community at least 6

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times under Jim Crow when we had our highest marriage rates.

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Now,

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it does it less than 2.5 times.

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All of that is,

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is downstream of policies that may have been,

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uh,

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intended to put a band-aid on a deeper cut in the,

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in our,

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uh,

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in our community.

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Well,

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see,

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I know that even in your discussion with Trey,

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This the claim had nothing to do with the right.

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You're talking about the left,

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but Trey brings up the right a lot and I I understand how the debaters

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could put that into the claim because

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when you're saying that the left cares more about

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the LGBT community than they do the black community,

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it makes them think you're saying Republicans are doing something else,

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something more.

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So what do you feel like Republicans have done to help the black

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community or are you just saying both parties need to do more?

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I'm saying both parties need to do more.

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I think what what what the what I wanted people to understand is that I'm not a typical

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Conservative.

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I'm conservative in principle,

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but I'm not gonna repeat party bullshit.

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And the Republican Party is full of it.

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And I,

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and,

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and that's,

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I mean,

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I'm gonna be honest about that.

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I have absolutely no problem calling out the left and I have

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no problem calling out what I now call the radical right.

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I think that the,

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uh,

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a large percentage of the MAGA movement is compromised.

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I think that a lot of things that the president of the United States himself is doing

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would lead me to believe that he's compromised.

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Um,

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and there was,

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there was a debate about this yesterday with Andrew Wilson,

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Alex Jones.

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There was literally team

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MAGA versus Team America first.

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I'm sorry.

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Can we wake up and get back to America first,

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please?

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I've always been an America first conservative even before that was a thing.

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And black people are a part of America,

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white folks are a part of America,

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the gays,

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the straights,

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we're all a part of America,

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but at the end of the day,

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we need to

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do something

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for everybody.

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I mean,

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I don't know when the,

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I would love to know when the last time,

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and actually the answer to this question is like in the 1940s.

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When was the last time the US government

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prioritized the middle man versus the rich man?

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It was around the 1940s after World War Two,

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OK?

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And that's regardless of political party affiliation.

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So,

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I mean,

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I,

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and,

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and I,

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I,

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I wanted people to understand,

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they weren't sitting across from a

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typical

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bought and paid for Republican.

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You were sitting across from someone that

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was raised to be a critical thinker.

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That includes calling out your own side when they're full of shit.

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All right,

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but why do you think so many people in the circle thought

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that you were trying to pin both communities against each other?

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Because

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there are black people in the LGBTQ community,

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so

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why can't we do both?

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Well,

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again,

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it's not that they can't do it,

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just look at what has been done.

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You know,

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in 50,

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it took around 50 to 90 years

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for same-sex marriages to be legally recognized,

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which was the real,

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the real big barrier between,

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uh,

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you know,

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that's the,

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that was the biggest issue,

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uh,

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in the gay,

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in the gay rights movement.

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It was the fact that the federal government wouldn't recognize marriages.

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But

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within that,

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there are also other What I would have said

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more pressing issues that affected all black people.

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Getting married to somebody is one thing,

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but having the economy to support,

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having the,

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the,

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the strength of communal economy to pro to pro to protect and

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provide for a household of your own regardless of who you marry

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is just as vital,

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if not more vital of an issue.

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What good is,

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what good is a marriage bed if you can't financially support it?

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But would you say that the Democrats have been better for both communities

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as a whole?

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No,

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not as,

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not as a whole,

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because the Democrat,

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again,

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the,

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the net,

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there have been a,

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the Great Society programs which were some of the

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largest programs put forth by the Johnson administration.

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That was targeted

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toward the black community

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have had a net negative impact.

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You look at the Great Society,

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you look at welfare,

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you look at,

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uh,

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food stamps,

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you look at all of those

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entitlement programs

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that were there to put a band-aid on the fact that black men had

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left the house beginning in 1940 up through 19 what was that Moynihan's report,

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I think 1965.

574
00:13:27.140 --> 00:13:27.530
Um,

575
00:13:28.040 --> 00:13:28.170
the,

576
00:13:28.340 --> 00:13:28.450
the,

577
00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:29.780
the welfare state

578
00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:33.470
was a band-aid on failed male responsibility,

579
00:13:33.700 --> 00:13:35.690
and that's the same thing that I said to Amanda Seales.

580
00:13:35.900 --> 00:13:37.970
The left put a band-aid on what is essentially a

581
00:13:37.970 --> 00:13:40.240
moral and a spiritual problem in the Black community.

582
00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:42.770
The right loves to use religious language and they,

583
00:13:42.940 --> 00:13:43.050
you know,

584
00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:45.490
they borrow from the fruit of the Christian tree on occasion,

585
00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:47.380
but they don't actually live up to all of the

586
00:13:47.710 --> 00:13:48.330
ideals of it.

587
00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:49.820
And that's one of the things that even as I,

588
00:13:49.900 --> 00:13:51.430
as I call myself a conservative,

589
00:13:51.620 --> 00:13:52.200
above all that,

590
00:13:52.220 --> 00:13:52.840
I'm a Christian,

591
00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.040
which requires me

592
00:13:54.140 --> 00:13:54.920
at times

593
00:13:55.100 --> 00:13:57.610
to be exactly what Martin Luther King said in one of his most famous sermons,

594
00:13:57.630 --> 00:13:58.950
which is a non-conformist.

595
00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:02.530
You should not conform to any political party if that political party

596
00:14:02.940 --> 00:14:05.540
begins to abandon objective truth and reality and doesn't take

597
00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:07.650
into account the needs of all of God's kids.

598
00:14:08.550 --> 00:14:08.960
Oh,

599
00:14:09.830 --> 00:14:10.150
Austin,

600
00:14:10.230 --> 00:14:11.990
are you an independent now?

601
00:14:12.800 --> 00:14:13.080
Well,

602
00:14:13.390 --> 00:14:13.500
I,

603
00:14:13.590 --> 00:14:13.610
I,

604
00:14:13.630 --> 00:14:13.700
I,

605
00:14:13.790 --> 00:14:13.900
I,

606
00:14:13.990 --> 00:14:14.500
I wouldn't say,

607
00:14:14.590 --> 00:14:15.700
I definitely wouldn't say necessarily,

608
00:14:15.790 --> 00:14:15.940
I mean,

609
00:14:16.030 --> 00:14:16.100
I,

610
00:14:16.190 --> 00:14:16.290
I,

611
00:14:16.350 --> 00:14:16.450
I,

612
00:14:16.590 --> 00:14:18.990
you could argue that my brain works independently,

613
00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:19.410
but,

614
00:14:19.750 --> 00:14:19.900
you know,

615
00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:21.220
based on my stated ideals,

616
00:14:21.270 --> 00:14:23.690
the Republican Party most closely aligned with,

617
00:14:23.870 --> 00:14:24.030
uh,

618
00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:25.140
with my thought process.

619
00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:25.650
But again,

620
00:14:25.830 --> 00:14:26.580
when they're full of crap,

621
00:14:26.630 --> 00:14:27.580
they'll get called out too.

622
00:14:27.630 --> 00:14:27.740
You know,

623
00:14:27.790 --> 00:14:29.300
I'm more of a pop and as I said in the episode,

624
00:14:29.350 --> 00:14:30.810
I'm more of a Christian populist

625
00:14:31.040 --> 00:14:33.820
than a conservative or a uh a uh or a liberal.

626
00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:34.510
I think that's the,

627
00:14:34.590 --> 00:14:34.700
you know,

628
00:14:34.790 --> 00:14:35.420
that's the core of it.

629
00:14:35.510 --> 00:14:36.930
But Christian populism

630
00:14:37.270 --> 00:14:39.660
does share a lot of overlap politically thought process

631
00:14:39.660 --> 00:14:41.750
wise with what we would call the Republican Party.

632
00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:42.910
Very true.

633
00:14:43.210 --> 00:14:43.360
OK,

634
00:14:43.490 --> 00:14:43.600
well,

635
00:14:43.650 --> 00:14:45.860
I want to play you a clip from an interaction

636
00:14:46.150 --> 00:14:47.430
you had with Santana.

637
00:14:47.970 --> 00:14:51.870
This was during your claim that civil rights were won with Bibles and churches,

638
00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:53.520
not pronouns in DEI.

639
00:14:55.630 --> 00:14:56.320
I know it's

640
00:14:57.220 --> 00:14:57.730
your words,

641
00:14:57.820 --> 00:14:58.590
your words.

642
00:14:58.880 --> 00:15:00.250
You just sat here and tried to say that

643
00:15:00.250 --> 00:15:02.420
I'm parroting white supremacist talking points when I'm the most

644
00:15:03.420 --> 00:15:04.550
that has ever been on the internet.

645
00:15:05.580 --> 00:15:06.520
Anti-blackish

646
00:15:06.680 --> 00:15:07.440
anti-blackish

647
00:15:07.780 --> 00:15:08.930
and you're queer-phobic.

648
00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:09.780
Queer-phobic?

649
00:15:09.900 --> 00:15:10.360
Both.

650
00:15:10.780 --> 00:15:13.210
You and you're a raging misogynist.

651
00:15:13.540 --> 00:15:14.530
You need to unpack.

652
00:15:14.920 --> 00:15:15.740
I need to unpack.

653
00:15:15.870 --> 00:15:16.420
He has not

654
00:15:16.580 --> 00:15:16.710
addressed

655
00:15:16.870 --> 00:15:16.880
my

656
00:15:16.990 --> 00:15:17.000
claim.

657
00:15:17.470 --> 00:15:18.820
He hasn't addressed my claim at all.

658
00:15:19.550 --> 00:15:20.800
He hasn't addressed my claim at all.

659
00:15:20.870 --> 00:15:23.240
He has said nothing of the fact that that because he can't,

660
00:15:23.310 --> 00:15:23.900
because you know why?

661
00:15:23.950 --> 00:15:25.300
Because he can't run from the reality of it.

662
00:15:25.350 --> 00:15:27.220
The reality of it is the civil rights movement does

663
00:15:27.220 --> 00:15:29.320
not win without God being at the center of it.

664
00:15:29.390 --> 00:15:30.670
That is exactly why Martin Luther King

665
00:15:30.670 --> 00:15:32.200
is the only American in this country's history

666
00:15:32.430 --> 00:15:33.860
that passed more legislation.

667
00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:34.490
The

668
00:15:34.810 --> 00:15:35.170
womanizer,

669
00:15:35.900 --> 00:15:36.450
the womanizer,

670
00:15:36.590 --> 00:15:36.610
whatever.

671
00:15:37.230 --> 00:15:37.270
Really?

672
00:15:37.710 --> 00:15:39.020
We can talk about Ella Baker.

673
00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:39.540
We

674
00:15:39.650 --> 00:15:39.820
can talk.

675
00:15:40.260 --> 00:15:40.470
James

676
00:15:40.580 --> 00:15:40.840
Baldwin

677
00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:44.090
talk about Martin Luther King Jr.

678
00:15:44.140 --> 00:15:44.530
and Malcolm X.

679
00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:44.900
I

680
00:15:45.460 --> 00:15:45.870
was talking about Martin Luther King

681
00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:46.050
Jr.

682
00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:47.550
Martin Luther

683
00:15:47.660 --> 00:15:48.280
King Jr.

684
00:15:48.610 --> 00:15:49.490
Martin Luther King Jr.

685
00:15:49.580 --> 00:15:49.960
You know what he did?

686
00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:50.530
Not legislative.

687
00:15:52.470 --> 00:15:53.440
Who got invited to the White House?

688
00:15:53.460 --> 00:15:53.840
None of them

689
00:15:53.940 --> 00:15:54.840
who got invited to the White House?

690
00:15:54.860 --> 00:15:55.810
He was a token figurehead.

691
00:15:56.140 --> 00:15:57.270
Martin Luther King was a token figurehead.

692
00:15:57.740 --> 00:15:59.760
The FBI surveilling him and telling him to kill himself.

693
00:15:59.790 --> 00:16:01.140
He was a token figurehead.

694
00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:01.750
Bullshit.

695
00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:02.640
When I tell you

696
00:16:02.760 --> 00:16:03.820
the movement

697
00:16:03.940 --> 00:16:04.620
was bigger.

698
00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:07.530
I told you it got,

699
00:16:07.550 --> 00:16:08.620
it got spicy.

700
00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:09.550
Uh,

701
00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:10.500
so,

702
00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:12.470
uh,

703
00:16:12.670 --> 00:16:13.270
just a little bit.

704
00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:13.450
Uh,

705
00:16:13.700 --> 00:16:16.700
Santana called you anti-black AF

706
00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.900
and Trey essentially said the same.

707
00:16:19.160 --> 00:16:19.430
So,

708
00:16:19.640 --> 00:16:19.710
uh,

709
00:16:19.880 --> 00:16:22.390
and I know you get these type of comments all the time,

710
00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:25.230
but you claim to be the most pro-black.

711
00:16:25.400 --> 00:16:26.260
Conservative

712
00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.110
on the internet and in general.

713
00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.950
So what makes you the most pro-black?

714
00:16:31.400 --> 00:16:31.510
Well,

715
00:16:31.650 --> 00:16:31.790
that,

716
00:16:31.870 --> 00:16:34.870
that statement might have been said in the in the heat of battle.

717
00:16:34.920 --> 00:16:36.830
I'm sure there might be a conservative even

718
00:16:36.830 --> 00:16:38.430
more pro-black than me on the internet somewhere,

719
00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:40.020
but it's ironic because

720
00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:41.510
I'll tell you about Santana,

721
00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:42.350
um,

722
00:16:42.640 --> 00:16:46.470
he has told me before that I'm one of the most pro-black conservatives that he met.

723
00:16:46.820 --> 00:16:47.010
Um,

724
00:16:47.140 --> 00:16:49.370
he said that on his own TikTok live streams,

725
00:16:49.420 --> 00:16:49.730
by the way,

726
00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:50.170
so yes,

727
00:16:50.260 --> 00:16:51.670
you can cut that and print it.

728
00:16:51.980 --> 00:16:52.160
Um,

729
00:16:52.300 --> 00:16:53.880
and it's ironic because what,

730
00:16:53.950 --> 00:16:56.170
what makes me that is nothing more,

731
00:16:56.450 --> 00:16:58.840
nothing more so than the fact that I think that black people are still

732
00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:00.640
some of the greatest people on earth,

733
00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:03.180
looking at the struggles that we've gone through and

734
00:17:03.290 --> 00:17:05.470
Greatness we've still produced in spite of the struggle.

735
00:17:05.869 --> 00:17:06.020
I mean,

736
00:17:06.109 --> 00:17:07.589
I'm always gonna be pro-Black people.

737
00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.369
The method that I have and the way that I may,

738
00:17:09.550 --> 00:17:09.740
you know,

739
00:17:09.950 --> 00:17:12.650
speak to my people is a little bit different than a Democrat or

740
00:17:12.810 --> 00:17:14.230
a libertarian or something of the sort,

741
00:17:14.310 --> 00:17:14.900
but I mean,

742
00:17:15.150 --> 00:17:16.089
that's what makes me that,

743
00:17:16.109 --> 00:17:17.660
is that I see the greatness of my people,

744
00:17:17.710 --> 00:17:19.640
I will never discount the greatness of my people.

745
00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:20.339
Um,

746
00:17:20.510 --> 00:17:21.300
and at the end of the day,

747
00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:21.540
you know,

748
00:17:21.630 --> 00:17:23.910
this is not the first time that I've gone against,

749
00:17:24.069 --> 00:17:24.180
you know,

750
00:17:24.270 --> 00:17:25.050
that's the first time I'm,

751
00:17:25.150 --> 00:17:25.300
you know,

752
00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:27.970
defending my quote unquote pro-blackness against

753
00:17:28.190 --> 00:17:28.440
a,

754
00:17:28.520 --> 00:17:28.740
a,

755
00:17:28.830 --> 00:17:29.720
a liberal

756
00:17:29.830 --> 00:17:30.680
on such a big stage,

757
00:17:30.790 --> 00:17:31.090
but,

758
00:17:31.310 --> 00:17:31.460
uh,

759
00:17:31.590 --> 00:17:34.190
there was a round table I did not too many months ago

760
00:17:34.430 --> 00:17:35.050
where

761
00:17:35.270 --> 00:17:35.770
I

762
00:17:35.990 --> 00:17:36.610
said that

763
00:17:36.940 --> 00:17:38.050
Colonization was a terrible thing.

764
00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:39.470
I said it to Beau Robinson on the,

765
00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:39.790
on a,

766
00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.810
on a round table here on this same platform

767
00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:42.820
and that

768
00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.470
colonization happened to black people for 400 years

769
00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:47.620
and the fact is that black people are owed

770
00:17:48.040 --> 00:17:50.170
uh a check from the government and I haven't,

771
00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.830
I haven't personally seen another conservative make those kinds of statements.

772
00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:55.580
Other than myself.

773
00:17:55.820 --> 00:17:57.170
Doesn't mean they're not out there,

774
00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:58.530
doesn't mean that they're not,

775
00:17:58.620 --> 00:18:00.490
that there's not somebody out there that's probably better than me,

776
00:18:00.580 --> 00:18:01.760
that has done more than me,

777
00:18:01.900 --> 00:18:03.530
but in terms of stated rhetoric,

778
00:18:03.740 --> 00:18:03.890
I mean,

779
00:18:03.980 --> 00:18:04.370
I'm all,

780
00:18:04.420 --> 00:18:05.570
I just see that as standing on business

781
00:18:05.570 --> 00:18:06.970
and telling the truth about American history.

782
00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:07.210
I,

783
00:18:07.300 --> 00:18:07.910
I don't even,

784
00:18:08.060 --> 00:18:09.520
it may not even necessarily be pro-black,

785
00:18:09.540 --> 00:18:10.730
it's just pro honesty.

786
00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:12.160
Well,

787
00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:12.950
for honesty.

788
00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:13.150
Well,

789
00:18:13.280 --> 00:18:13.390
you know,

790
00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:15.270
Santana also other than anti-black,

791
00:18:15.320 --> 00:18:18.190
he also called you misogynistic and queer phobic.

792
00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:21.090
So why do you think he told you to unpack?

793
00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:22.290
And I know it's been

794
00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.550
a lot going on on the episode and you

795
00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.110
can't really remember remember everything he said,

796
00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:29.070
but were you able to unpack?

797
00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:30.130
Do you feel like you need to?

798
00:18:30.840 --> 00:18:30.990
Well,

799
00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:31.350
the,

800
00:18:31.370 --> 00:18:31.380
the,

801
00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:31.630
the,

802
00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:32.010
the,

803
00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:32.350
I mean,

804
00:18:32.520 --> 00:18:33.830
I don't know if there was anything left to unpack.

805
00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:35.030
I went so deep in my bag that,

806
00:18:35.120 --> 00:18:35.270
you know,

807
00:18:35.320 --> 00:18:35.510
in that,

808
00:18:35.560 --> 00:18:36.240
in those debates,

809
00:18:36.290 --> 00:18:37.680
I think I left everything on the table,

810
00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:37.950
uh,

811
00:18:38.040 --> 00:18:39.390
but I think he was looking for TikTok clips,

812
00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:39.790
to be honest.

813
00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:40.190
I mean,

814
00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:41.100
I have no problem saying that.

815
00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:41.590
I think Tik

816
00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:43.410
I think Santana knows for a fact

817
00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:44.550
that I'm pro-black,

818
00:18:44.600 --> 00:18:44.830
you know,

819
00:18:45.080 --> 00:18:45.860
I have different

820
00:18:46.120 --> 00:18:49.990
methods and different thought processes about how that might be expressed,

821
00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:50.340
but

822
00:18:50.520 --> 00:18:50.670
I mean,

823
00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:51.390
you gotta be honest,

824
00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:52.710
if I was a misogynist,

825
00:18:52.770 --> 00:18:53.020
then,

826
00:18:53.040 --> 00:18:56.430
then over half of my followers across all platforms wouldn't be women.

827
00:18:56.860 --> 00:18:57.480
Um,

828
00:18:57.820 --> 00:18:58.480
if I was,

829
00:18:58.980 --> 00:18:59.290
you know,

830
00:18:59.460 --> 00:19:00.960
if I was anti-queer,

831
00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:03.600
then I wouldn't have went out to lunch with some of the very

832
00:19:03.620 --> 00:19:07.130
people that I sat and debated with in that very same episode,

833
00:19:07.420 --> 00:19:07.650
you know,

834
00:19:08.100 --> 00:19:08.120
I,

835
00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:08.270
I,

836
00:19:08.300 --> 00:19:08.330
I,

837
00:19:08.420 --> 00:19:08.450
I,

838
00:19:08.580 --> 00:19:08.730
I mean,

839
00:19:08.970 --> 00:19:09.030
the,

840
00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:13.010
the evidence of my life demonstrates that that's just patently false.

841
00:19:13.070 --> 00:19:13.250
I mean,

842
00:19:13.660 --> 00:19:14.770
there's nothing else to say to that.

843
00:19:14.860 --> 00:19:15.010
I mean,

844
00:19:15.060 --> 00:19:15.210
it's,

845
00:19:15.260 --> 00:19:15.510
it's,

846
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.890
he made statements that were just outright BS.

847
00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:18.320
The,

848
00:19:18.460 --> 00:19:18.530
the,

849
00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:19.440
the truth is always,

850
00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:19.690
you know,

851
00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:21.290
the truth requires no defense.

852
00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:22.760
OK.

853
00:19:23.090 --> 00:19:23.320
Um,

854
00:19:23.530 --> 00:19:26.260
but I also want to get back to the claim because that

855
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.320
your claim was that the civil rights were won

856
00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:29.920
with Bibles in churches.

857
00:19:30.210 --> 00:19:32.480
So do you believe that Christianity was at the

858
00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.180
center of the civil rights movement and abolitionism?

859
00:19:35.670 --> 00:19:36.220
Absolutely.

860
00:19:36.330 --> 00:19:36.400
Uh,

861
00:19:36.540 --> 00:19:36.550
if,

862
00:19:36.690 --> 00:19:37.000
if you,

863
00:19:37.050 --> 00:19:37.440
if you ever,

864
00:19:37.570 --> 00:19:38.240
are you familiar with,

865
00:19:38.290 --> 00:19:38.380
uh,

866
00:19:38.490 --> 00:19:38.850
William

867
00:19:39.150 --> 00:19:39.940
Wilberforce?

868
00:19:41.290 --> 00:19:44.330
He was one of the leading abolitionists and it was heavily,

869
00:19:44.360 --> 00:19:48.140
his abolitionism and his idea of promoting what we call the mojod,

870
00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:49.200
the belief that all men,

871
00:19:49.370 --> 00:19:49.880
including black men,

872
00:19:49.900 --> 00:19:50.720
are made in the image of God.

873
00:19:50.810 --> 00:19:50.930
He,

874
00:19:51.050 --> 00:19:51.830
he started this

875
00:19:52.150 --> 00:19:52.440
back in the,

876
00:19:52.490 --> 00:19:54.810
I think it was the 17 or 1800s,

877
00:19:54.890 --> 00:19:55.410
1 of the two.

878
00:19:56.730 --> 00:20:00.640
that the Christianity is inseparable from the civil rights movement.

879
00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:01.460
The,

880
00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:01.720
um,

881
00:20:01.840 --> 00:20:03.300
going all the way back to,

882
00:20:03.520 --> 00:20:03.980
uh,

883
00:20:04.040 --> 00:20:04.140
A.

884
00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:05.830
Philip Randolph and the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters,

885
00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:05.990
A.

886
00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:06.510
Philip Randolph,

887
00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:07.570
while being an atheist,

888
00:20:07.800 --> 00:20:10.180
used in the constitutions

889
00:20:10.360 --> 00:20:11.420
and the declarations of,

890
00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:12.120
of appendages,

891
00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:12.230
uh,

892
00:20:12.360 --> 00:20:13.060
independence,

893
00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:13.390
uh,

894
00:20:13.620 --> 00:20:14.580
statements that

895
00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:15.310
all men,

896
00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:15.630
you know,

897
00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:17.750
are endowed by their creator

898
00:20:18.040 --> 00:20:19.830
with certain inalienable rights that among them are life,

899
00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:20.130
liberty,

900
00:20:20.150 --> 00:20:20.870
and the pursuit of happiness.

901
00:20:20.930 --> 00:20:21.190
There's a,

902
00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:23.590
there's a literal Christian presupposition

903
00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.950
put into one of our founding documents.

904
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.780
The Declaration of Independence.

905
00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:28.350
The,

906
00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:33.360
the root of the civil rights movement was in making America

907
00:20:33.970 --> 00:20:35.720
stand up to what its stated

908
00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:36.830
ideals were,

909
00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:37.760
which is namely,

910
00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:39.800
we call ourselves a Judeo-Christian nation,

911
00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:41.500
founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

912
00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:43.900
The civil rights movement was so successful

913
00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.830
because when you look at how marchers were able to stand

914
00:20:46.830 --> 00:20:50.240
in front of fire hoses and police dogs without Retaliation in,

915
00:20:50.280 --> 00:20:52.600
in Selma and in Birmingham and in Atlanta,

916
00:20:52.650 --> 00:20:53.190
Georgia.

917
00:20:53.450 --> 00:20:53.600
Uh,

918
00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:54.880
the only reason that they're able to do that

919
00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:56.920
is because Doctor King said that within their souls,

920
00:20:57.010 --> 00:20:58.010
within our souls,

921
00:20:58.210 --> 00:21:01.040
there burned a sort of spiritual fire that no water could put out.

922
00:21:01.090 --> 00:21:02.840
And so we were able to go before the fire hoses,

923
00:21:02.930 --> 00:21:03.400
they'd look at us,

924
00:21:03.450 --> 00:21:04.230
we'd look at them,

925
00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:06.320
and we were able to go on singing over my head,

926
00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:07.320
I see Freedom in the air.

927
00:21:07.370 --> 00:21:08.950
They would throw us in the paddy wagons and

928
00:21:09.090 --> 00:21:11.480
we'd be stacked in there sometimes like sardines in a can.

929
00:21:11.610 --> 00:21:12.580
They'd throw us in and

930
00:21:12.760 --> 00:21:14.080
Bull Connor would say take them off,

931
00:21:14.390 --> 00:21:14.730
but then,

932
00:21:14.750 --> 00:21:15.260
and then they did,

933
00:21:15.310 --> 00:21:18.420
but we would still go on in the paddy wagon singing We Shall Overcome,

934
00:21:18.510 --> 00:21:19.770
and finally we were thrown in jail,

935
00:21:19.830 --> 00:21:21.580
you would see the jailers looking through the windows,

936
00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:23.130
being moved by our words and

937
00:21:23.270 --> 00:21:25.170
being moved by our prayers and our songs,

938
00:21:25.270 --> 00:21:28.140
and so we had a spiritual power there within those jail cells

939
00:21:28.270 --> 00:21:30.460
that Bull Connor and the segregationists couldn't adjust.

940
00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:30.980
To

941
00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:33.140
and so through prayer and perseverance,

942
00:21:33.460 --> 00:21:36.910
we were able to turn Bull Connor into a steer and win our struggle in Birmingham,

943
00:21:37.120 --> 00:21:38.780
and we have to go on in Memphis

944
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.800
just like that and,

945
00:21:39.830 --> 00:21:40.030
and,

946
00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:40.900
and that's

947
00:21:41.080 --> 00:21:41.910
the core of it.

948
00:21:42.040 --> 00:21:43.780
It's Doctor King's

949
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.360
ability to produce

950
00:21:45.550 --> 00:21:48.420
legislation from the position of a pulpit

951
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.620
is inseparable from the doctrine first preached by Jesus of Nazareth,

952
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:54.860
who I believe is God Almighty incarnated in flesh.

953
00:21:55.550 --> 00:21:55.780
Now,

954
00:21:56.110 --> 00:21:56.460
you know,

955
00:21:56.590 --> 00:21:57.370
with MLK,

956
00:21:57.510 --> 00:22:00.880
why do you think a lot of the debaters kept telling you that

957
00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:04.340
He was Marxist and you did not agree,

958
00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:06.730
but why do you think this idea keeps coming up?

959
00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:08.100
Because people don't read,

960
00:22:08.350 --> 00:22:10.860
because people are too stupid to read and listen to the man's own words.

961
00:22:10.990 --> 00:22:11.070
I,

962
00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:11.900
I quoted in that,

963
00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:12.810
in that debate

964
00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:13.730
with Trey,

965
00:22:13.910 --> 00:22:15.570
Doctor King blatantly stating,

966
00:22:15.850 --> 00:22:16.020
yes,

967
00:22:16.150 --> 00:22:19.180
I read Communist Manifesto on Das Capital a long time ago,

968
00:22:19.270 --> 00:22:20.190
but I saw

969
00:22:20.340 --> 00:22:22.300
that Marx did not follow Hegel enough.

970
00:22:22.430 --> 00:22:23.500
He took his dialectics,

971
00:22:23.550 --> 00:22:26.100
but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism,

972
00:22:26.190 --> 00:22:28.980
and then he goes over to a German philosopher by the name of Freuerbach

973
00:22:29.110 --> 00:22:31.650
and He takes his materialism and develops this,

974
00:22:31.790 --> 00:22:32.990
Marx developed this into this,

975
00:22:33.010 --> 00:22:35.640
this thing where he called idolectical materialism,

976
00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:36.810
and Doctor King said plainly,

977
00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:38.840
I have to reject that.

978
00:22:39.380 --> 00:22:41.810
Christianity rejects the idea that there is no God.

979
00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:44.310
Communism is one of its founding principles under,

980
00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:45.360
under Karl Marx is

981
00:22:45.580 --> 00:22:50.090
God does not exist and that religion is the opiate of the masses.

982
00:22:50.300 --> 00:22:51.530
And so people just don't read.

983
00:22:51.620 --> 00:22:52.200
That's why.

984
00:22:52.300 --> 00:22:52.770
It's easy.

985
00:22:52.820 --> 00:22:53.100
The right,

986
00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:53.280
the,

987
00:22:53.420 --> 00:22:56.810
the radical right calls King a Marxist all the same at the same time.

988
00:22:58.120 --> 00:23:02.780
So also Santana said that Doctor King was a token figurehead,

989
00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:03.460
which you,

990
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.050
of course,

991
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:05.270
disagreed with,

992
00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:07.710
but where do you think that's also coming from?

993
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.250
Again,

994
00:23:08.360 --> 00:23:09.590
people don't read and people,

995
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:10.270
people have this,

996
00:23:10.360 --> 00:23:10.750
they wanna,

997
00:23:10.800 --> 00:23:11.420
they wanna,

998
00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:15.300
some people love doing this thing where they just attack their leaders,

999
00:23:15.560 --> 00:23:15.630
uh,

1000
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:17.420
they attack the people that have done the most

1001
00:23:17.690 --> 00:23:18.560
because I honestly,

1002
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:19.510
I don't know if it's jealousy,

1003
00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:20.810
I don't know if it's the fact they want that,

1004
00:23:20.830 --> 00:23:22.030
that cloud or that stain,

1005
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:22.340
but

1006
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.390
the FBI surveilled.

1007
00:23:24.510 --> 00:23:27.360
Martin Luther King and illegally wiretapped his hotels

1008
00:23:27.610 --> 00:23:29.530
since the Montgomery Improvement Association formed

1009
00:23:29.530 --> 00:23:30.920
and since the Montgomery bus boycott.

1010
00:23:30.980 --> 00:23:32.610
The FBI sent Martin Luther King Jr.

1011
00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:34.310
a letter in the 1960s

1012
00:23:34.620 --> 00:23:35.140
saying

1013
00:23:35.340 --> 00:23:36.550
that if you don't

1014
00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:38.120
unalive yourself,

1015
00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:41.140
we will expose the fact that you have engaged in acts of adultery.

1016
00:23:41.180 --> 00:23:43.710
We will expose you for the fraudulent this and the third that you are.

1017
00:23:43.820 --> 00:23:43.990
And,

1018
00:23:44.060 --> 00:23:44.760
and again,

1019
00:23:45.540 --> 00:23:45.990
William J.

1020
00:23:46.090 --> 00:23:47.120
Sullivan sent

1021
00:23:47.660 --> 00:23:50.870
this letter to Doctor King's house along with a tape of him engaging in infidelity.

1022
00:23:51.080 --> 00:23:51.430
Because I mean,

1023
00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:51.710
he,

1024
00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:52.550
that did happen,

1025
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:53.350
that's objectively true.

1026
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.580
No one that knows Doctor King denies that he did have that,

1027
00:23:55.760 --> 00:23:57.350
but they also don't tell you the story that

1028
00:23:57.350 --> 00:24:00.060
Doctor King privately lamented over his own infidelity.

1029
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:01.470
If you read the book Bearing the Cross,

1030
00:24:01.520 --> 00:24:02.430
he talks about this.

1031
00:24:02.610 --> 00:24:03.070
So

1032
00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:06.110
this idea that he's a Marxist and a token figurehead is nonsense.

1033
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.330
Why would the FBI

1034
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.460
need to surveil

1035
00:24:08.610 --> 00:24:10.010
one of its plants?

1036
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:10.970
That's stupid.

1037
00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:14.700
Why would the FBI then send a letter telling this plant

1038
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:16.110
to kill themselves?

1039
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.470
That's stupid.

1040
00:24:17.810 --> 00:24:19.170
Why would the FBI

1041
00:24:19.330 --> 00:24:19.830
then

1042
00:24:20.570 --> 00:24:22.800
release a finding in the 1970s,

1043
00:24:22.890 --> 00:24:23.810
well after King is killed,

1044
00:24:23.930 --> 00:24:24.080
saying,

1045
00:24:24.130 --> 00:24:24.480
you know what,

1046
00:24:24.610 --> 00:24:25.550
we called him a communist,

1047
00:24:25.610 --> 00:24:25.790
but,

1048
00:24:25.850 --> 00:24:26.230
uh,

1049
00:24:26.610 --> 00:24:29.880
we found no direct ties to communism in him or his contemporaries.

1050
00:24:29.930 --> 00:24:30.080
Like,

1051
00:24:30.290 --> 00:24:31.080
and then it's always this,

1052
00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:31.320
this,

1053
00:24:31.370 --> 00:24:35.030
this guilty by association crap they try to pull with him and Bayard Rustin and

1054
00:24:35.260 --> 00:24:35.640
William J.

1055
00:24:35.770 --> 00:24:35.800
uh,

1056
00:24:35.930 --> 00:24:36.370
not William J.

1057
00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:36.800
Sullivan,

1058
00:24:36.890 --> 00:24:37.020
uh,

1059
00:24:37.300 --> 00:24:37.790
um,

1060
00:24:38.170 --> 00:24:38.840
what's the other guy's name?

1061
00:24:38.890 --> 00:24:39.400
The gentleman that,

1062
00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:40.120
that Levison.

1063
00:24:40.170 --> 00:24:40.440
They always,

1064
00:24:40.490 --> 00:24:41.040
they always try to,

1065
00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:42.830
they always try to draw this false comparison,

1066
00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:43.920
not realizing.

1067
00:24:44.770 --> 00:24:47.550
None of this is actually true when you just read,

1068
00:24:47.730 --> 00:24:48.400
but as they say,

1069
00:24:48.450 --> 00:24:49.600
you wanna hide something from folks,

1070
00:24:49.730 --> 00:24:50.510
put it in a book.

1071
00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:52.260
Well,

1072
00:24:52.310 --> 00:24:54.060
I don't know if it's true about all the

1073
00:24:54.060 --> 00:24:56.500
debaters because I know people come in prepared.

1074
00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:57.740
They do read,

1075
00:24:58.190 --> 00:25:01.420
but maybe they do feel like they're just trying to be combative just to

1076
00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:02.380
that's all it was.

1077
00:25:02.520 --> 00:25:03.200
All the evidence,

1078
00:25:03.550 --> 00:25:03.700
every,

1079
00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:05.290
everything I just quoted to you is,

1080
00:25:05.350 --> 00:25:06.780
is one simple Google search,

1081
00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:07.170
or,

1082
00:25:07.350 --> 00:25:07.460
you know,

1083
00:25:07.510 --> 00:25:08.900
I know we're in the age of chat GPT now.

1084
00:25:08.950 --> 00:25:10.780
You can ask chat GPT if everything I said was true.

1085
00:25:10.830 --> 00:25:10.980
I mean,

1086
00:25:11.070 --> 00:25:11.200
it'll,

1087
00:25:11.830 --> 00:25:12.980
the evidence is literally there,

1088
00:25:13.070 --> 00:25:13.300
so,

1089
00:25:13.390 --> 00:25:13.580
OK,

1090
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:14.580
they may they're reading,

1091
00:25:14.650 --> 00:25:15.590
they're not reading enough,

1092
00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:16.540
OK.

1093
00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:17.390
Um,

1094
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:21.500
do you think that the left respects your right to free speech and

1095
00:25:21.800 --> 00:25:22.630
political thought?

1096
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:22.880
You know,

1097
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.660
they seem to be very combative with

1098
00:25:25.020 --> 00:25:26.350
almost every opinion you have.

1099
00:25:26.600 --> 00:25:26.750
Um,

1100
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:27.650
so it seems

1101
00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:30.550
they were also really triggered by your opinions and the

1102
00:25:30.550 --> 00:25:33.030
fact that you're a black conservative who feels this way.

1103
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.780
So do you feel like the left typically respects

1104
00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:36.580
your,

1105
00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:37.830
your freedom of speech?

1106
00:25:38.320 --> 00:25:39.190
Do they respect it?

1107
00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:39.670
No.

1108
00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:41.150
Do they have to deal with it?

1109
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:41.710
Yes.

1110
00:25:42.320 --> 00:25:44.380
I've been told by many people on,

1111
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:45.150
on my platform.

1112
00:25:45.690 --> 00:25:46.630
On other shows,

1113
00:25:46.930 --> 00:25:47.080
uh,

1114
00:25:47.250 --> 00:25:47.920
people with me,

1115
00:25:48.290 --> 00:25:49.790
people with voices like mine shouldn't exist,

1116
00:25:49.970 --> 00:25:50.160
you know,

1117
00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:50.570
I'm just,

1118
00:25:50.650 --> 00:25:50.680
uh,

1119
00:25:50.810 --> 00:25:50.880
uh,

1120
00:25:50.970 --> 00:25:52.720
I'm another bought and paid for pundit.

1121
00:25:52.810 --> 00:25:52.920
My,

1122
00:25:53.010 --> 00:25:53.960
my soul is sold,

1123
00:25:54.010 --> 00:25:54.480
and I'm like,

1124
00:25:54.570 --> 00:25:54.690
yeah,

1125
00:25:54.770 --> 00:25:55.110
it is,

1126
00:25:55.210 --> 00:25:58.350
but it was purchased by a carpenter that died on a cross 2000 years ago,

1127
00:25:58.490 --> 00:25:59.450
and his grave is still empty.

1128
00:25:59.500 --> 00:25:59.750
But,

1129
00:25:59.970 --> 00:26:00.000
uh,

1130
00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:01.520
a lot of people don't,

1131
00:26:01.690 --> 00:26:04.560
they don't know how to deal with me because you can't put me in a box,

1132
00:26:04.770 --> 00:26:05.400
and I think that's,

1133
00:26:05.530 --> 00:26:06.680
that's really what it boils down to.

1134
00:26:06.770 --> 00:26:09.590
I think the fact that I use my platform to say things that,

1135
00:26:09.850 --> 00:26:10.200
um,

1136
00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:10.600
you know,

1137
00:26:10.800 --> 00:26:12.840
someone like Xena will say is based in a roundtable,

1138
00:26:12.890 --> 00:26:13.230
for example,

1139
00:26:13.410 --> 00:26:13.570
but

1140
00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:13.890
And,

1141
00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:14.290
uh,

1142
00:26:14.380 --> 00:26:16.880
will have something negative to say about one of my other thoughts.

1143
00:26:17.420 --> 00:26:17.650
You,

1144
00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:19.610
I love being uncategorizable.

1145
00:26:19.700 --> 00:26:20.100
I love it.

1146
00:26:20.150 --> 00:26:21.610
I'm not a cookie-cutter conservative.

1147
00:26:21.690 --> 00:26:24.080
I'm Austin Julio Broad and I can't be anybody else.

1148
00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:24.610
Oh,

1149
00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:25.270
OK.

1150
00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:25.570
Well,

1151
00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:28.170
I do want to pivot to your next clip,

1152
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:28.460
um,

1153
00:26:28.620 --> 00:26:31.600
where your claim was Republicans care more about free speech

1154
00:26:31.820 --> 00:26:34.840
than Democrats because I think it ties in nicely to what we're talking about.

1155
00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:35.130
So,

1156
00:26:35.340 --> 00:26:35.650
like I said,

1157
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:36.080
I'm going back,

1158
00:26:36.100 --> 00:26:37.320
my chief example is that if,

1159
00:26:37.340 --> 00:26:39.460
if Donald Trump does actually get the US government

1160
00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:41.560
to revise Section 230 of the Digital Communications Act,

1161
00:26:41.660 --> 00:26:44.030
then the The Internet is no longer gonna be algorithmically curated.

1162
00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:44.500
They can't,

1163
00:26:44.590 --> 00:26:45.080
they can't,

1164
00:26:45.190 --> 00:26:45.610
they can't,

1165
00:26:45.710 --> 00:26:45.960
uh,

1166
00:26:46.270 --> 00:26:46.980
places like TikTok,

1167
00:26:47.070 --> 00:26:47.420
Instagram,

1168
00:26:47.510 --> 00:26:47.860
YouTube,

1169
00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:50.450
everybody gets a fair shot to go viral essentially because

1170
00:26:50.590 --> 00:26:51.890
you're offering users

1171
00:26:52.030 --> 00:26:54.180
any platform that has over a million active monthly users

1172
00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.530
would be forced to offer you either a chronological feed

1173
00:26:56.670 --> 00:26:57.950
or a for you page essentially

1174
00:26:58.110 --> 00:26:58.550
where

1175
00:26:58.710 --> 00:27:01.410
chronologically you see every post just at the time the creator posted it,

1176
00:27:01.590 --> 00:27:01.970
um,

1177
00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:03.210
algorithmically curated,

1178
00:27:03.230 --> 00:27:03.980
they can modify it,

1179
00:27:04.390 --> 00:27:04.740
promotes,

1180
00:27:04.870 --> 00:27:05.380
push stuff up,

1181
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:06.690
tear stuff down based on

1182
00:27:06.990 --> 00:27:08.660
whatever arbitrary bullshit that they want.

1183
00:27:08.790 --> 00:27:08.940
OK,

1184
00:27:09.070 --> 00:27:10.300
I appreciate the word salad.

1185
00:27:11.560 --> 00:27:11.620
Oh,

1186
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:12.280
it's definitely worth

1187
00:27:12.410 --> 00:27:12.460
telling

1188
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:13.540
because let me tell you something,

1189
00:27:13.560 --> 00:27:14.650
I think the right

1190
00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:16.890
wants to make free speech benefit

1191
00:27:17.030 --> 00:27:17.410
them

1192
00:27:17.600 --> 00:27:18.440
when they want to

1193
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.900
because you gave an example of Charlie Kirk.

1194
00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:22.390
Hold on,

1195
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.110
let me pull up my seat.

1196
00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:25.340
Get ready.

1197
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.550
So let's talk about Charlie Curse's assassination.

1198
00:27:27.800 --> 00:27:29.990
Liberals had a lot to say about it.

1199
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.670
They called him racist,

1200
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:32.590
bigoted,

1201
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.870
he was very transphobic,

1202
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.180
he had his views,

1203
00:27:35.360 --> 00:27:37.070
and yet I found that Republicans,

1204
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:37.510
excuse me,

1205
00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.620
do not interrupt a black trans woman when she's speaking.

1206
00:27:40.030 --> 00:27:41.580
I found it very ironic

1207
00:27:42.030 --> 00:27:42.640
excuse me,

1208
00:27:43.510 --> 00:27:44.290
excuse me,

1209
00:27:44.350 --> 00:27:47.050
I find it ironic that a lot of Republicans

1210
00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:50.580
were trying to come for the liberals that had a lot to say about Charlie Kirk's death.

1211
00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:52.100
Is that not free speech?

1212
00:27:52.540 --> 00:27:52.990
Exactly.

1213
00:27:53.270 --> 00:27:54.610
And so the problem is

1214
00:27:54.910 --> 00:27:58.250
y'all were the biggest snowflakes when it came to uh free speech

1215
00:27:58.670 --> 00:27:58.710
and

1216
00:27:58.890 --> 00:27:59.640
you deserved it.

1217
00:27:59.670 --> 00:28:00.330
Did you explain that?

1218
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:00.550
The

1219
00:28:00.870 --> 00:28:01.900
fact of the matter is

1220
00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:05.410
that it's still covered under free speech though that's the point.

1221
00:28:05.670 --> 00:28:06.440
But let me finish.

1222
00:28:06.710 --> 00:28:06.870
Hold on,

1223
00:28:06.910 --> 00:28:07.660
let me finish.

1224
00:28:08.390 --> 00:28:08.780
And no,

1225
00:28:08.870 --> 00:28:09.010
no,

1226
00:28:09.030 --> 00:28:09.070
no,

1227
00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:11.260
let me finish my point and you can say what you need to say,

1228
00:28:11.310 --> 00:28:11.980
I promise.

1229
00:28:12.590 --> 00:28:14.520
They created an Excel sheet

1230
00:28:14.780 --> 00:28:19.000
to go out to make a list of liberal people who had a lot to say about Charlie Kirk.

1231
00:28:19.110 --> 00:28:20.630
They call their jobs.

1232
00:28:22.510 --> 00:28:23.250
It was so much

1233
00:28:23.630 --> 00:28:23.750
but

1234
00:28:23.970 --> 00:28:23.980
your

1235
00:28:24.120 --> 00:28:25.060
party started that.

1236
00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:25.280
And

1237
00:28:25.910 --> 00:28:26.140
wait a minute,

1238
00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:26.380
stop.

1239
00:28:26.470 --> 00:28:26.980
Hold on a second,

1240
00:28:27.010 --> 00:28:27.580
let me respond to that.

1241
00:28:27.710 --> 00:28:29.380
When they do that type of stupid shit,

1242
00:28:29.430 --> 00:28:29.740
they're wrong.

1243
00:28:29.800 --> 00:28:31.040
Anybody getting doxed is wrong,

1244
00:28:31.190 --> 00:28:33.660
but while I may never agree with a lot of the stuff you may say,

1245
00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:35.650
I will defend to the death your right to say it.

1246
00:28:35.830 --> 00:28:37.690
There should be nothing wrong with me saying

1247
00:28:37.830 --> 00:28:40.100
biological men should only play with biological men.

1248
00:28:40.310 --> 00:28:41.380
All right.

1249
00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:43.020
Oh,

1250
00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:44.380
that was a good one.

1251
00:28:44.590 --> 00:28:45.090
So,

1252
00:28:45.310 --> 00:28:46.010
you know,

1253
00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:49.010
you feel that Republicans care more about

1254
00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:50.700
freedom of speech and free speech,

1255
00:28:50.970 --> 00:28:54.380
but what have Republicans done to protect free speech?

1256
00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:54.980
Uh,

1257
00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:55.400
well,

1258
00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:58.060
Trump signed an executive order immediately upon entering,

1259
00:28:58.380 --> 00:28:58.390
uh,

1260
00:28:58.630 --> 00:29:01.090
office this second time around that prevented government,

1261
00:29:01.310 --> 00:29:01.540
uh,

1262
00:29:01.750 --> 00:29:03.510
or that attacked government censorship,

1263
00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:03.870
um,

1264
00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:04.300
with,

1265
00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:06.340
with ads with places like TikTok,

1266
00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:07.130
Instagram.

1267
00:29:07.310 --> 00:29:08.580
I forget the executive order number,

1268
00:29:08.630 --> 00:29:09.330
but there was that.

1269
00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:09.870
He appointed.

1270
00:29:10.050 --> 00:29:10.830
Brendan Carter,

1271
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.490
the chair of the FCC who,

1272
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:12.950
uh,

1273
00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:14.280
worked to secure the,

1274
00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:14.490
I,

1275
00:29:14.600 --> 00:29:17.980
I believe Brendan had worked to secure the Oracle and the TikTok deal and it's,

1276
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.140
I've actually made,

1277
00:29:19.360 --> 00:29:19.590
um,

1278
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.550
I've gotten my views have gone up under the Trump administration on TikTok.

1279
00:29:23.570 --> 00:29:25.070
That wasn't the case under Biden.

1280
00:29:25.460 --> 00:29:25.730
Um,

1281
00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:27.480
even when you look at various,

1282
00:29:27.590 --> 00:29:27.600
uh,

1283
00:29:27.700 --> 00:29:27.770
the,

1284
00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:28.200
and,

1285
00:29:28.260 --> 00:29:28.410
you know,

1286
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:28.670
uh,

1287
00:29:29.370 --> 00:29:31.610
President Trump is the only president in my lifetime

1288
00:29:31.780 --> 00:29:35.920
that actively spoke to revising Section 230 of the US Digital Communications Act.

1289
00:29:36.020 --> 00:29:37.290
The Democrats didn't do it.

1290
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.260
They never brought it up

1291
00:29:38.540 --> 00:29:39.000
because

1292
00:29:39.300 --> 00:29:39.760
the,

1293
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:40.170
the,

1294
00:29:40.300 --> 00:29:41.090
the most powerful,

1295
00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:42.370
one of the most powerful weapons that we

1296
00:29:42.370 --> 00:29:44.720
have to hold our members of government accountable

1297
00:29:44.860 --> 00:29:46.550
is the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press,

1298
00:29:46.620 --> 00:29:47.400
and now

1299
00:29:47.580 --> 00:29:49.210
that we live in the age of the internet.

1300
00:29:49.610 --> 00:29:49.840
Uh,

1301
00:29:50.050 --> 00:29:51.480
President Trump is the only one that has made any

1302
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.670
effort to tackle or revise that so that the internet,

1303
00:29:53.850 --> 00:29:54.850
places like TikTok,

1304
00:29:55.090 --> 00:29:55.690
YouTube

1305
00:29:55.850 --> 00:29:56.160
should be,

1306
00:29:56.410 --> 00:29:58.510
can be treated like phone companies who can't

1307
00:29:58.510 --> 00:30:00.280
censor your conversation now based on whether or

1308
00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:02.800
not they like you or the person that you're talking to or what you're saying.

1309
00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:03.620
Um,

1310
00:30:03.800 --> 00:30:04.910
he's the only person that I've seen that's,

1311
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:05.550
that has done that.

1312
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:06.910
If a Democrat comes along and,

1313
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:07.150
you know,

1314
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:08.110
shout out to Rocana,

1315
00:30:08.130 --> 00:30:08.490
who's,

1316
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:08.750
uh,

1317
00:30:08.840 --> 00:30:10.740
I will give him his credit as well.

1318
00:30:11.040 --> 00:30:11.190
Uh,

1319
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.500
Congressman Rocana has proposed a digital,

1320
00:30:13.560 --> 00:30:15.370
what he calls a digital free speech bill.

1321
00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:16.190
So on that one,

1322
00:30:16.280 --> 00:30:17.030
whether you're a republic,

1323
00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:18.150
but it hasn't gone anywhere though,

1324
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:18.590
to be fair,

1325
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:20.100
it hasn't gone anywhere in the House or the Senate.

1326
00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:20.540
So,

1327
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.870
when a Republican does something pro-free speech,

1328
00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:23.310
I get,

1329
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.620
they get all the credit in the world.

1330
00:30:24.800 --> 00:30:26.390
When a Democrat does something pro-free speech,

1331
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:26.670
I'll say,

1332
00:30:26.760 --> 00:30:27.140
hey,

1333
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:28.190
this is what I'm going,

1334
00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:28.980
I'm going this,

1335
00:30:29.040 --> 00:30:30.130
I'm going this way because

1336
00:30:30.370 --> 00:30:30.550
You know,

1337
00:30:30.850 --> 00:30:30.990
the,

1338
00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:31.300
the,

1339
00:30:31.370 --> 00:30:32.700
the power of speech is one of the,

1340
00:30:32.890 --> 00:30:33.010
you know,

1341
00:30:33.320 --> 00:30:34.420
biggest weapons that we have.

1342
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:34.940
And,

1343
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:35.540
um,

1344
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:35.990
you know,

1345
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.310
President John Kennedy said that way back in the,

1346
00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:38.920
in the 60s,

1347
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.020
that the very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and an open society,

1348
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.170
and we're supposed to be opposed

1349
00:30:44.390 --> 00:30:46.900
to controlling and censorship of all kinds.

1350
00:30:47.560 --> 00:30:47.870
Well,

1351
00:30:48.190 --> 00:30:49.600
hasn't President Trump

1352
00:30:49.830 --> 00:30:52.120
tried to silence those that didn't agree with him,

1353
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.220
any of his critics.

1354
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:54.120
So

1355
00:30:54.330 --> 00:30:57.140
would it be fair for liberals to feel like maybe he's

1356
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.530
a hypocrite with when it comes to free speech?

1357
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:00.480
Uh,

1358
00:31:00.570 --> 00:31:01.080
I think that,

1359
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:01.320
yes,

1360
00:31:01.410 --> 00:31:02.760
it's very fair to feel he's hypocritical.

1361
00:31:02.850 --> 00:31:04.160
Human beings are often hypocrites.

1362
00:31:04.220 --> 00:31:04.320
Um,

1363
00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:04.720
you know,

1364
00:31:04.810 --> 00:31:05.110
I mean,

1365
00:31:05.450 --> 00:31:07.520
you look at what Joe Biden did under the COVID,

1366
00:31:07.610 --> 00:31:07.730
you know,

1367
00:31:08.090 --> 00:31:08.110
uh,

1368
00:31:08.210 --> 00:31:08.900
during COVID,

1369
00:31:09.090 --> 00:31:10.230
you look at the fact that,

1370
00:31:10.370 --> 00:31:10.600
uh,

1371
00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:11.240
you were,

1372
00:31:11.410 --> 00:31:13.230
Facebook was paid and told

1373
00:31:13.410 --> 00:31:16.470
by the US government to censor people that offered any counter narrative

1374
00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:17.920
to the COVID vaccine.

1375
00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:18.320
Uh,

1376
00:31:18.490 --> 00:31:18.800
so it's,

1377
00:31:18.850 --> 00:31:18.930
and,

1378
00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:19.580
and I'm Just,

1379
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:20.220
let's be honest,

1380
00:31:20.350 --> 00:31:21.980
there's hypocrisy on either side.

1381
00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:23.820
That doesn't mean that you can't also be honest,

1382
00:31:23.870 --> 00:31:24.180
as they say,

1383
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:25.810
a broken clock is right

1384
00:31:26.030 --> 00:31:26.580
twice a day,

1385
00:31:26.660 --> 00:31:28.340
so when the president advocates for free speech,

1386
00:31:28.470 --> 00:31:28.540
great,

1387
00:31:28.630 --> 00:31:31.070
and when you then when he silences and kicks out members of the press

1388
00:31:31.190 --> 00:31:32.820
from his own briefings because he doesn't like the fact

1389
00:31:32.820 --> 00:31:34.380
that they ask him questions he didn't want to answer,

1390
00:31:34.510 --> 00:31:35.970
I'm gonna say he's full of shit for doing that.

1391
00:31:36.150 --> 00:31:36.800
He's just wrong.

1392
00:31:36.850 --> 00:31:36.990
I mean,

1393
00:31:37.070 --> 00:31:37.420
there's no way,

1394
00:31:37.510 --> 00:31:38.610
there's no excuse for that.

1395
00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:39.340
Well,

1396
00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:39.970
other than,

1397
00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:40.690
um,

1398
00:31:40.830 --> 00:31:41.060
you know,

1399
00:31:41.150 --> 00:31:42.620
the COVID vaccine,

1400
00:31:42.830 --> 00:31:46.130
is there any other example where Democrats have tried to infringe upon,

1401
00:31:46.270 --> 00:31:46.460
um,

1402
00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:47.650
free speech rights?

1403
00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:48.960
Well,

1404
00:31:49.050 --> 00:31:51.080
the most prominent example would be the amount of the,

1405
00:31:51.170 --> 00:31:51.570
the several,

1406
00:31:51.770 --> 00:31:55.230
there were at least 12 universities that when Charlie Kirk first got started,

1407
00:31:55.490 --> 00:31:56.120
they leaned more,

1408
00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:58.690
they were more liberal schools and they simply didn't want him to speak.

1409
00:31:58.810 --> 00:31:59.220
Even

1410
00:31:59.410 --> 00:31:59.930
a friend of mine,

1411
00:31:59.970 --> 00:32:00.580
David Cate,

1412
00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:01.850
went to the University of,

1413
00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:02.120
I think,

1414
00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:03.890
I wanna say it was Tennessee to host,

1415
00:32:04.090 --> 00:32:04.360
uh,

1416
00:32:04.650 --> 00:32:05.720
come prove me wrong debates.

1417
00:32:05.770 --> 00:32:06.840
They ran him off the campus.

1418
00:32:07.310 --> 00:32:08.330
They ran them off campus.

1419
00:32:08.470 --> 00:32:08.660
I mean,

1420
00:32:09.110 --> 00:32:09.230
and,

1421
00:32:09.250 --> 00:32:09.860
and that's a,

1422
00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:10.140
that,

1423
00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.060
that is as leftist as you can get.

1424
00:32:12.220 --> 00:32:12.230
Uh,

1425
00:32:12.310 --> 00:32:12.590
the,

1426
00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:13.530
the idea

1427
00:32:13.790 --> 00:32:14.290
that

1428
00:32:14.750 --> 00:32:19.580
free speech and debate is somehow dangerous or this idea that rhetoric is somehow

1429
00:32:19.790 --> 00:32:21.460
just inherently violent.

1430
00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:23.140
Not saying people can't make violent statements,

1431
00:32:23.190 --> 00:32:23.800
but that

1432
00:32:23.930 --> 00:32:25.720
Something that is propagated by the left

1433
00:32:25.850 --> 00:32:26.560
and I think that's just,

1434
00:32:26.620 --> 00:32:27.800
I think that's just patently false.

1435
00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:28.520
I think that if you,

1436
00:32:28.570 --> 00:32:30.510
if the left really believes they're smarter cause

1437
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.910
I remember reading a couple of,

1438
00:32:31.930 --> 00:32:32.230
um,

1439
00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:32.480
this is,

1440
00:32:32.530 --> 00:32:33.900
I read this article a couple of weeks ago.

1441
00:32:34.050 --> 00:32:37.270
It said that on average someone that is a leftist is more

1442
00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:38.160
college educated,

1443
00:32:38.210 --> 00:32:40.280
they're more likely to be college educated than those on the right.

1444
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:41.890
So that means by definition,

1445
00:32:42.060 --> 00:32:42.850
according to that logic,

1446
00:32:42.890 --> 00:32:43.760
you should be smarter.

1447
00:32:43.970 --> 00:32:46.470
What smart person is afraid to defend their ideals openly?

1448
00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:48.930
I've only seen the absolute radical left try

1449
00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:51.310
to silence free speech more than I've seen

1450
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:52.110
the radical right.

1451
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:52.210
Now,

1452
00:32:52.260 --> 00:32:52.810
I've obviously,

1453
00:32:52.860 --> 00:32:53.290
to be fair,

1454
00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:54.130
I've obviously,

1455
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:55.060
as we just talked about,

1456
00:32:55.100 --> 00:32:57.810
I've obviously seen the president of the United States

1457
00:32:58.100 --> 00:33:00.610
claim to be free speech while kicking out members of the press,

1458
00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:01.750
which is bull,

1459
00:33:02.260 --> 00:33:02.550
OK?

1460
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:03.100
But,

1461
00:33:03.300 --> 00:33:03.530
I mean,

1462
00:33:03.700 --> 00:33:04.180
again,

1463
00:33:04.700 --> 00:33:06.500
that's just being honest to the situation.

1464
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:07.650
OK,

1465
00:33:07.780 --> 00:33:10.770
and Blassom mentioned the aftermath of uh Charlie

1466
00:33:10.770 --> 00:33:13.000
Kirk's assassination and you spoke about as well

1467
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.550
and you didn't agree with companies that were firing employees for their social

1468
00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:19.770
media posts and their opinions or even

1469
00:33:19.770 --> 00:33:22.450
people celebrating or condoning his assassination.

1470
00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:22.930
Um,

1471
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.650
but has that same thing happened in reverse?

1472
00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:27.000
Is there an example where,

1473
00:33:27.260 --> 00:33:28.310
um,

1474
00:33:28.340 --> 00:33:31.290
Democrats had someone fired for their opinions on social media?

1475
00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:32.460
Not that I've,

1476
00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:33.170
not that I've,

1477
00:33:33.260 --> 00:33:35.170
not that I could recall off the top of my,

1478
00:33:35.260 --> 00:33:36.170
off the top of my head.

1479
00:33:36.270 --> 00:33:36.370
No,

1480
00:33:36.620 --> 00:33:37.770
not that I can recall off the top of my head.

1481
00:33:37.820 --> 00:33:38.560
I haven't seen,

1482
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.370
you're saying is in,

1483
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:40.770
and make sure I understand the question,

1484
00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:43.450
you're saying has there been anyone that's a Democrat that has voiced their

1485
00:33:43.450 --> 00:33:45.880
opinion that was then fired from their job as a result of that?

1486
00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:46.080
Yeah,

1487
00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:46.730
I haven't,

1488
00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:47.050
not,

1489
00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:47.330
not,

1490
00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:47.850
not that I,

1491
00:33:47.980 --> 00:33:48.850
not that I've seen as of yet.

1492
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:49.370
I have seen.

1493
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.450
People that post more conservative

1494
00:33:51.610 --> 00:33:54.570
leaning things get fired and be targeted and things of that nature,

1495
00:33:54.790 --> 00:33:56.100
but I couldn't say that I've seen the same.

1496
00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:57.050
I haven't seen a demo

1497
00:33:57.150 --> 00:33:58.260
someone that is of a demo of,

1498
00:33:58.310 --> 00:33:58.420
you know,

1499
00:33:58.510 --> 00:33:59.930
the democratic political persuasion

1500
00:34:00.150 --> 00:34:02.540
state their opinion and then have themselves targeted at the job.

1501
00:34:02.590 --> 00:34:02.940
If I've,

1502
00:34:02.990 --> 00:34:03.740
if it's out there,

1503
00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:04.180
you know,

1504
00:34:04.270 --> 00:34:05.390
somebody will let us know in the comments,

1505
00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:05.760
I'm sure,

1506
00:34:05.830 --> 00:34:06.040
but I,

1507
00:34:06.150 --> 00:34:07.100
I can't say I've seen it.

1508
00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:08.239
All right,

1509
00:34:08.330 --> 00:34:10.730
so just speaking about the everyday

1510
00:34:10.850 --> 00:34:12.290
Democrat and the everyday Republican,

1511
00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:16.219
what makes you think that Republicans value free speech more?

1512
00:34:17.150 --> 00:34:17.500
Uh,

1513
00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:17.940
well,

1514
00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:18.310
you know,

1515
00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:19.580
as someone that hosts,

1516
00:34:19.630 --> 00:34:19.860
uh,

1517
00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:20.659
the split,

1518
00:34:20.790 --> 00:34:20.940
you know,

1519
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:21.090
I,

1520
00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:21.889
I think that,

1521
00:34:22.110 --> 00:34:22.139
uh,

1522
00:34:22.270 --> 00:34:23.580
David Mauricio and I and myself,

1523
00:34:23.670 --> 00:34:26.219
I think are good examples of we both value free speech,

1524
00:34:26.270 --> 00:34:27.330
but I think also,

1525
00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:27.820
uh,

1526
00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:29.460
the reason I say that the right cares more

1527
00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:31.820
about it is because the right feels more attacked

1528
00:34:32.310 --> 00:34:33.800
from the free speech front right now.

1529
00:34:33.949 --> 00:34:34.739
And so I think that the,

1530
00:34:34.830 --> 00:34:36.330
the statements that They make and the,

1531
00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:36.710
the,

1532
00:34:36.770 --> 00:34:37.179
the,

1533
00:34:37.219 --> 00:34:38.090
especially coming just,

1534
00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:38.409
you know,

1535
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:40.870
after the midterms and coming up on 2028 and beyond,

1536
00:34:41.060 --> 00:34:44.290
I think that the right is gonna definitely be much more concerned about free speech.

1537
00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:46.760
There's a fear right now even that if Trump gets,

1538
00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:47.210
uh,

1539
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:50.120
if he gets his ass handed to him in the midterms that he's gonna get impeached.

1540
00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:50.650
Um,

1541
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:53.130
and a lot of people that I've had conversations with,

1542
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:53.810
um,

1543
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:54.370
they're,

1544
00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:57.250
they're thinking that the left may attack free speech again,

1545
00:34:57.620 --> 00:34:57.770
uh,

1546
00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:58.530
coming down the line.

1547
00:34:58.660 --> 00:34:59.010
So that,

1548
00:34:59.140 --> 00:34:59.170
that,

1549
00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:01.050
that's why I believe the right cares more for about it,

1550
00:35:01.220 --> 00:35:02.930
more about free speech now than the opposite.

1551
00:35:03.910 --> 00:35:04.060
All right,

1552
00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:04.280
well,

1553
00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:07.800
do you think that there's ever a time that free speech crosses a line?

1554
00:35:07.950 --> 00:35:08.380
Is there,

1555
00:35:08.430 --> 00:35:10.460
and then is that line clear in America?

1556
00:35:11.410 --> 00:35:11.930
I think there's,

1557
00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:12.780
I think there's a line,

1558
00:35:12.850 --> 00:35:13.160
absolutely.

1559
00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:14.000
I think the line is clear.

1560
00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:15.240
When you're threatening someone's life,

1561
00:35:15.450 --> 00:35:16.070
property,

1562
00:35:16.450 --> 00:35:16.880
I think that,

1563
00:35:16.930 --> 00:35:17.680
I think that's when,

1564
00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:19.040
that's where the line should have to be drawn,

1565
00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:19.360
you know,

1566
00:35:19.730 --> 00:35:19.790
you,

1567
00:35:19.890 --> 00:35:20.760
you threaten someone's life,

1568
00:35:20.850 --> 00:35:21.320
someone's family,

1569
00:35:21.410 --> 00:35:21.920
someone's property,

1570
00:35:21.970 --> 00:35:22.680
I think that's the line.

1571
00:35:22.740 --> 00:35:23.040
As they say,

1572
00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:24.760
you can't yell fire in a crowded theater,

1573
00:35:24.810 --> 00:35:25.000
you know,

1574
00:35:25.020 --> 00:35:25.670
you still have to,

1575
00:35:25.890 --> 00:35:28.440
free speech doesn't mean dishonest speech should be rewarded,

1576
00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:28.700
you know,

1577
00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:29.550
at the same time.

1578
00:35:29.690 --> 00:35:29.800
You know,

1579
00:35:29.850 --> 00:35:31.830
you can state your opinion but label it as that,

1580
00:35:31.930 --> 00:35:32.200
but no,

1581
00:35:32.290 --> 00:35:32.360
I,

1582
00:35:32.490 --> 00:35:33.590
I think outside of those,

1583
00:35:33.730 --> 00:35:35.230
I think America's got a pretty clear line,

1584
00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:35.990
to be honest with you.

1585
00:35:36.910 --> 00:35:38.980
So if someone is posting

1586
00:35:39.310 --> 00:35:40.990
blatant misinformation

1587
00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:41.420
that,

1588
00:35:41.510 --> 00:35:41.700
you know,

1589
00:35:41.750 --> 00:35:42.550
that's what the Democrats,

1590
00:35:42.630 --> 00:35:44.060
that's what the Biden administration felt.

1591
00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:46.510
They felt that there was blatant mis

1592
00:35:46.690 --> 00:35:49.790
misinformation about the COVID COVID vaccine that was being

1593
00:35:49.990 --> 00:35:52.750
put out there and so they were trying to censor that.

1594
00:35:52.910 --> 00:35:55.070
Would you feel like that was appropriate or still?

1595
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:56.270
inappropriate.

1596
00:35:56.560 --> 00:35:56.630
Well,

1597
00:35:56.730 --> 00:35:58.390
it was what they were calling misinformation.

1598
00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:59.990
So they were claiming that to say that the

1599
00:35:59.990 --> 00:36:02.550
virus originated in the Wuhan lab was misinformation.

1600
00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:06.090
To say that Anthony Fauci had no advanced knowledge of what was going on with COVID

1601
00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:07.180
was misinformation.

1602
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.790
It came out later that that was all true.

1603
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.750
Anthony Fauci sat in a congressional hearing and said,

1604
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.270
on the advice of counsel,

1605
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.230
I'm gonna invoke my Fifth Amendment right not

1606
00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:16.670
to answer this question on the advice of,

1607
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.160
he said it over 100 times.

1608
00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:19.590
When we know and the,

1609
00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:21.120
the documents that were released by Tulsi

1610
00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:23.930
Gabbard proved that he had access and knowledge

1611
00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:27.030
of gain about gain of function research for COVID well

1612
00:36:27.030 --> 00:36:28.780
before the virus broke out in the United States.

1613
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.230
And when President Trump was saying this is the China,

1614
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:32.390
it's a China virus,

1615
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:33.660
it's a China virus.

1616
00:36:33.890 --> 00:36:34.990
They called him a,

1617
00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:35.020
a,

1618
00:36:35.070 --> 00:36:35.860
a xenophobe.

1619
00:36:35.950 --> 00:36:36.610
They hated him.

1620
00:36:36.870 --> 00:36:37.220
Yet

1621
00:36:37.470 --> 00:36:40.660
we now know on the record verified that the virus

1622
00:36:40.660 --> 00:36:43.060
did in fact originate in the Wuhan lab in China,

1623
00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:45.380
and the left was saying that that's misinformation.

1624
00:36:45.430 --> 00:36:46.780
You're spreading a false narrative,

1625
00:36:46.830 --> 00:36:47.980
which is just not the truth.

1626
00:36:48.150 --> 00:36:48.620
They was telling,

1627
00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:49.860
they were telling the truth.

1628
00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:50.550
The radical.

1629
00:36:50.970 --> 00:36:53.330
Republican clock was right twice in that COVID day,

1630
00:36:53.450 --> 00:36:53.880
and I just,

1631
00:36:53.930 --> 00:36:54.120
you know,

1632
00:36:54.330 --> 00:36:56.640
so you have to investigate each claim,

1633
00:36:57.090 --> 00:36:57.210
uh,

1634
00:36:57.450 --> 00:36:59.430
investigate what is being called misinformation,

1635
00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:00.630
look for the truth of it,

1636
00:37:00.890 --> 00:37:01.200
and,

1637
00:37:01.250 --> 00:37:01.450
uh,

1638
00:37:01.490 --> 00:37:02.560
the truth is incontrovertible.

1639
00:37:02.700 --> 00:37:03.440
Mali might attack it,

1640
00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:04.360
ignorance might deride it,

1641
00:37:04.450 --> 00:37:05.130
some might ignore it,

1642
00:37:05.170 --> 00:37:06.110
but at the end of the day,

1643
00:37:06.290 --> 00:37:06.720
if it's true,

1644
00:37:06.770 --> 00:37:07.730
it's gonna be there either way.

1645
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.170
Is it possible that it's not what you say,

1646
00:37:11.290 --> 00:37:15.170
it's how you say it because there was a rise in Asian hate,

1647
00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:16.300
Asian hate

1648
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.880
when Trump was saying it's the China virus

1649
00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:20.660
and people started targeting

1650
00:37:21.020 --> 00:37:22.320
anyone who they felt was

1651
00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:23.140
Chinese.

1652
00:37:23.660 --> 00:37:25.330
Do you feel like he has a responsibility?

1653
00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:27.100
in this end to actually

1654
00:37:27.230 --> 00:37:28.540
not only make these statements,

1655
00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:31.780
but make sure he's saying them in a proper way so it doesn't lead to

1656
00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:34.900
everyone thinking now all Asians are a part of this issue.

1657
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:35.550
Well,

1658
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:36.020
yes,

1659
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:36.910
yes and no.

1660
00:37:37.120 --> 00:37:37.380
I mean,

1661
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:38.950
what you say and how you say it is,

1662
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:40.990
is that they're they're they're connected in a way,

1663
00:37:41.050 --> 00:37:42.030
but they're not the same thing.

1664
00:37:42.490 --> 00:37:42.990
Um,

1665
00:37:43.450 --> 00:37:44.680
he could have said it a lot better,

1666
00:37:44.810 --> 00:37:46.280
but that also has nothing to do with him.

1667
00:37:46.370 --> 00:37:46.790
That just,

1668
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:47.190
that,

1669
00:37:47.370 --> 00:37:50.960
that you shouldn't initiate a racial bias on somebody based on a

1670
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.240
statement that is made by the president of the United States,

1671
00:37:53.370 --> 00:37:54.520
cause that has nothing to do with the president.

1672
00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:54.760
That's,

1673
00:37:54.850 --> 00:37:55.060
that's,

1674
00:37:55.170 --> 00:37:55.450
that's,

1675
00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:58.220
that more has to do with how you internalize

1676
00:37:58.410 --> 00:37:59.560
and use information because I,

1677
00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:01.270
we can make the same case after

1678
00:38:01.410 --> 00:38:01.920
9/11.

1679
00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:04.250
Now granted I was 6 years old when 9/11 took place,

1680
00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:05.020
um,

1681
00:38:05.170 --> 00:38:06.710
I just turned 6 years old actually.

1682
00:38:07.150 --> 00:38:07.650
Um,

1683
00:38:08.580 --> 00:38:10.720
there was a lot of hatred towards

1684
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:13.930
Muslims in the United States because the blame

1685
00:38:13.930 --> 00:38:16.120
for that attack was was placed on Muslims.

1686
00:38:16.220 --> 00:38:17.610
I think that's just patently foolish.

1687
00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:19.930
You don't go ostracizing and attacking a group

1688
00:38:19.930 --> 00:38:21.880
of people just because a group of extremists,

1689
00:38:22.180 --> 00:38:22.530
uh,

1690
00:38:22.780 --> 00:38:24.370
did a committed a horrendous act.

1691
00:38:24.620 --> 00:38:25.370
By the same token,

1692
00:38:25.420 --> 00:38:27.960
that requires Americans to use this one little thing

1693
00:38:28.220 --> 00:38:29.560
called common sense.

1694
00:38:29.750 --> 00:38:30.530
It's very simple to use,

1695
00:38:30.620 --> 00:38:31.750
it's just common sense.

1696
00:38:32.260 --> 00:38:32.410
You know,

1697
00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:34.450
I think there's a lack thereof in this in this country,

1698
00:38:34.700 --> 00:38:35.080
big time,

1699
00:38:35.100 --> 00:38:35.810
without question.

1700
00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:36.250
Oh,

1701
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.270
I would have to agree with you there.

1702
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:39.890
But

1703
00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:42.600
I want to go back to one of your previous claims,

1704
00:38:42.660 --> 00:38:43.050
uh,

1705
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:45.400
and that it was that elective abortion

1706
00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:48.780
is the greatest moral failure of modern America.

1707
00:38:49.060 --> 00:38:51.610
And this is a conversation you had with Tashika.

1708
00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:52.620
Yeah,

1709
00:38:52.910 --> 00:38:53.930
I think though

1710
00:38:54.060 --> 00:38:56.090
that abortion is the greatest moral failing

1711
00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:57.690
because you have two worlds here Austin,

1712
00:38:57.910 --> 00:38:58.180
right?

1713
00:38:58.550 --> 00:38:59.930
You have world A

1714
00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:04.500
where where from 1990 to 2014

1715
00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:06.140
we see in abortion

1716
00:39:06.430 --> 00:39:10.700
about a 37 to 40% decrease in abortions up until that time

1717
00:39:10.890 --> 00:39:12.220
from 2014 to.

1718
00:39:12.350 --> 00:39:13.430
2025

1719
00:39:13.620 --> 00:39:14.650
it goes up again,

1720
00:39:14.790 --> 00:39:15.000
right?

1721
00:39:15.020 --> 00:39:16.300
So you have one world,

1722
00:39:16.460 --> 00:39:16.600
right,

1723
00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:17.640
you have one world

1724
00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:19.830
where people have a guaranteed,

1725
00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:20.290
uh,

1726
00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:22.150
where their health care is guaranteed

1727
00:39:22.420 --> 00:39:24.460
they have higher contraceptive care,

1728
00:39:24.580 --> 00:39:25.610
higher abortion care,

1729
00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:27.370
sex education increases

1730
00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:30.720
all of these things make it so that people engage in both sexes

1731
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:32.490
in less risky sex.

1732
00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:33.970
Practices leading to

1733
00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:35.640
less unwanted pregnancies,

1734
00:39:36.150 --> 00:39:37.390
less abortions.

1735
00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:38.450
People are actually

1736
00:39:38.550 --> 00:39:41.510
able to have the families they want to be able to take care of them,

1737
00:39:41.700 --> 00:39:41.860
right?

1738
00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:44.700
Women are more protected because they're not getting pregnant

1739
00:39:44.870 --> 00:39:45.060
and,

1740
00:39:45.150 --> 00:39:45.380
you know,

1741
00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:47.420
unfortunately sabotaging their careers,

1742
00:39:47.550 --> 00:39:47.800
right?

1743
00:39:48.070 --> 00:39:49.010
But then in

1744
00:39:49.140 --> 00:39:49.840
world B

1745
00:39:50.140 --> 00:39:54.300
you have politicians playing political football with abortions and abortion

1746
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:57.740
has gone up about 22% when you crunch those numbers.

1747
00:39:57.910 --> 00:39:58.370
And only

1748
00:39:58.490 --> 00:39:59.620
and only half the time,

1749
00:39:59.830 --> 00:40:00.150
right?

1750
00:40:00.470 --> 00:40:01.580
So I would need you to,

1751
00:40:01.670 --> 00:40:01.770
like,

1752
00:40:01.790 --> 00:40:03.470
I would need you to ask like which one would you prefer,

1753
00:40:03.790 --> 00:40:04.080
uh,

1754
00:40:04.430 --> 00:40:05.030
world A,

1755
00:40:05.150 --> 00:40:07.260
where we see that people are getting the healthcare

1756
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:08.930
they need and they're actually getting less abortions,

1757
00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:11.390
or world B where people are unsure

1758
00:40:11.530 --> 00:40:13.530
whether or not even if they want to have the baby,

1759
00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:16.310
they're not gonna get adequate natal care because of the abortion.

1760
00:40:16.670 --> 00:40:17.020
All right,

1761
00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:17.690
so

1762
00:40:17.910 --> 00:40:18.970
what makes

1763
00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:22.980
elective abortion the greatest moral failure of modern America?

1764
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:23.920
Well,

1765
00:40:23.970 --> 00:40:26.930
the willful termination of a pregnancy that could have been avoided,

1766
00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:27.530
um,

1767
00:40:27.770 --> 00:40:27.960
is,

1768
00:40:28.090 --> 00:40:28.200
is,

1769
00:40:28.290 --> 00:40:28.440
I mean,

1770
00:40:28.490 --> 00:40:29.430
there's nothing worse

1771
00:40:29.530 --> 00:40:30.710
than killing the innocent,

1772
00:40:30.810 --> 00:40:32.160
and that's exactly what abortion is.

1773
00:40:32.250 --> 00:40:33.000
I don't care what,

1774
00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:34.630
I don't care how you slice it,

1775
00:40:34.930 --> 00:40:35.390
um,

1776
00:40:35.690 --> 00:40:36.720
especially in the case of,

1777
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:37.270
of,

1778
00:40:37.610 --> 00:40:37.880
you know,

1779
00:40:38.050 --> 00:40:38.910
the fact that

1780
00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:42.010
the overwhelming majority of abortions have been gotten in this country

1781
00:40:42.170 --> 00:40:43.590
per capita by black women.

1782
00:40:44.890 --> 00:40:47.120
God knows how many presidents of the United States.

1783
00:40:47.540 --> 00:40:48.690
We'll never get to see the light of day.

1784
00:40:48.820 --> 00:40:50.240
God knows how many scientists,

1785
00:40:50.370 --> 00:40:52.840
God knows if the next Einstein hadn't got a chance to see,

1786
00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:53.210
you know,

1787
00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:53.840
the light of day,

1788
00:40:53.990 --> 00:40:54.440
because

1789
00:40:54.860 --> 00:40:56.080
a preventable

1790
00:40:56.380 --> 00:40:57.000
problem.

1791
00:40:57.790 --> 00:40:58.020
Uh,

1792
00:40:58.230 --> 00:40:59.150
wasn't prevented.

1793
00:40:59.430 --> 00:41:02.450
The elective abortion is the greatest moral evil because what it does is

1794
00:41:02.450 --> 00:41:05.840
it takes away someone's right to life when they can't fight for themselves.

1795
00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:09.120
And my favorite book says that the Lord hates those that shed innocent blood,

1796
00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:10.580
and there's nothing worse than that.

1797
00:41:10.740 --> 00:41:10.750
And,

1798
00:41:10.830 --> 00:41:11.330
and,

1799
00:41:11.350 --> 00:41:11.770
you know,

1800
00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:12.240
uh,

1801
00:41:12.790 --> 00:41:15.600
somebody has to stick up for those that can't stick up for themselves.

1802
00:41:15.910 --> 00:41:17.500
No one is more defenseless than an infant,

1803
00:41:17.790 --> 00:41:18.940
especially not the unborn infant.

1804
00:41:19.180 --> 00:41:21.210
And that also doesn't what do you mean by elective?

1805
00:41:21.290 --> 00:41:21.840
Sorry to cut you off,

1806
00:41:21.930 --> 00:41:23.370
but what do you mean by elective?

1807
00:41:23.650 --> 00:41:25.230
So elective means that it,

1808
00:41:25.330 --> 00:41:25.480
it,

1809
00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:25.910
it's,

1810
00:41:25.930 --> 00:41:26.490
it's

1811
00:41:26.610 --> 00:41:27.280
gotten by choice.

1812
00:41:27.370 --> 00:41:27.680
It's not,

1813
00:41:27.770 --> 00:41:28.840
it's not medically necessary.

1814
00:41:28.930 --> 00:41:29.340
That's all.

1815
00:41:29.410 --> 00:41:30.910
It just means it's not medically necessary.

1816
00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:33.870
Less than 6% of abortions

1817
00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:36.440
are medically are due to medical necessity,

1818
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:37.600
less than 6%.

1819
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:38.460
Um,

1820
00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:39.810
and ironically,

1821
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:40.590
52%,

1822
00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:41.960
as I said in the same,

1823
00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:42.270
uh,

1824
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:42.910
claim,

1825
00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:43.310
uh,

1826
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.350
I don't know if I said it while I was speaking to Tashika or not,

1827
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:46.300
I can't recall,

1828
00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:47.060
but

1829
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.820
over half of women that have got that got pregnant,

1830
00:41:50.110 --> 00:41:51.020
got pregnant in a month,

1831
00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:53.190
they didn't use any form of contraception.

1832
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:53.380
Now,

1833
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.270
if you don't want kids,

1834
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:55.140
wrap it up,

1835
00:41:55.720 --> 00:41:57.000
buy the plan B pill,

1836
00:41:57.200 --> 00:41:58.790
tell the man you're dealing with to wrap it up.

1837
00:41:58.880 --> 00:41:59.950
There are so many ways.

1838
00:42:00.090 --> 00:42:03.030
Women have access to over 33 forms of contraception nowadays.

1839
00:42:03.200 --> 00:42:04.360
So I don't wanna hear the

1840
00:42:05.200 --> 00:42:05.330
Oh,

1841
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:06.390
I didn't know what I was doing.

1842
00:42:06.520 --> 00:42:06.790
First of all,

1843
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.280
if you're too grown,

1844
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:07.630
if you,

1845
00:42:07.690 --> 00:42:08.990
if you're too stupid not to know what,

1846
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:10.830
what can happen if you have sex unprotected with somebody,

1847
00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:13.230
you probably shouldn't be having sex.

1848
00:42:13.560 --> 00:42:15.660
And the other thing is that a lot of women that get abortions,

1849
00:42:15.910 --> 00:42:17.130
they in the overlapping,

1850
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:17.470
uh,

1851
00:42:17.600 --> 00:42:18.940
reasons that they report doing it,

1852
00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:19.860
they either have,

1853
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.940
they're saying they have other kids they have to care for or other dependents.

1854
00:42:23.120 --> 00:42:24.780
They're saying that they have,

1855
00:42:25.060 --> 00:42:25.470
uh,

1856
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:27.780
financial issues or relationship issues.

1857
00:42:27.970 --> 00:42:28.740
It costs

1858
00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:31.110
almost $300,000.

1859
00:42:31.590 --> 00:42:34.050
Without including college to raise a child age 18.

1860
00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:38.710
There is no logical way you can tell me if you can't afford that $300,000

1861
00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:39.890
you shouldn't,

1862
00:42:40.020 --> 00:42:43.640
you should be doing anything that could put you in that situation to where now

1863
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.780
you have to go terminate this child's life

1864
00:42:46.060 --> 00:42:49.430
because you didn't have the common sense and worried about $300,000

1865
00:42:49.540 --> 00:42:52.890
you could've spent $30 you could've spent $30 on a pack of Trojans

1866
00:42:52.890 --> 00:42:55.410
or a pack of skins or a pack of Durex's or whatever flavor,

1867
00:42:55.430 --> 00:42:56.480
whatever flavor for those

1868
00:42:56.620 --> 00:42:57.370
latex users,

1869
00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:58.330
non-latex users.

1870
00:42:58.380 --> 00:42:58.540
I mean,

1871
00:42:58.580 --> 00:42:58.660
it,

1872
00:42:58.740 --> 00:42:59.070
it,

1873
00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:00.410
all of this is avoidable.

1874
00:43:01.210 --> 00:43:01.270
Well,

1875
00:43:01.490 --> 00:43:03.600
what did you think about Tashika's argument?

1876
00:43:03.810 --> 00:43:04.590
Cause even after watching,

1877
00:43:04.610 --> 00:43:05.970
you said that that was a good one.

1878
00:43:06.130 --> 00:43:09.220
So have you fact checked her premise since debating it?

1879
00:43:09.810 --> 00:43:12.080
She was correct in that when we had that,

1880
00:43:12.140 --> 00:43:13.120
there were lower abortions,

1881
00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:14.390
but that still doesn't,

1882
00:43:14.610 --> 00:43:17.270
it still unfortunately doesn't refute my claim.

1883
00:43:17.450 --> 00:43:17.840
It's simply,

1884
00:43:17.970 --> 00:43:21.640
she gave the most coherent argument of the people that I was sitting across from,

1885
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:22.960
for that particular claim.

1886
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:23.710
Um,

1887
00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:24.420
because

1888
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.780
any situation where a woman has to terminate the life of an innocent child

1889
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.630
when the life didn't have to exist in the

1890
00:43:30.630 --> 00:43:33.010
first place if proper contraception had been used,

1891
00:43:33.330 --> 00:43:33.430
uh,

1892
00:43:33.560 --> 00:43:33.990
because mind you,

1893
00:43:34.120 --> 00:43:36.100
condoms only have about a 2% failure rate,

1894
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:36.470
like,

1895
00:43:36.680 --> 00:43:37.070
by the way,

1896
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:37.540
so,

1897
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:38.110
um,

1898
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.250
I'll take a 98% chance,

1899
00:43:40.600 --> 00:43:40.770
uh,

1900
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.130
that something won't happen

1901
00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:42.990
versus,

1902
00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:43.430
you know,

1903
00:43:43.560 --> 00:43:44.750
a 100% chance or a 50%.

1904
00:43:45.060 --> 00:43:46.200
chance that if you use

1905
00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:47.360
various other

1906
00:43:47.540 --> 00:43:48.200
methods,

1907
00:43:48.380 --> 00:43:48.700
uh,

1908
00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:50.680
that are not actually contraceptive,

1909
00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:51.130
that,

1910
00:43:51.180 --> 00:43:51.380
you know,

1911
00:43:51.540 --> 00:43:52.090
that's a good thing.

1912
00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:52.370
I mean,

1913
00:43:52.580 --> 00:43:52.770
no,

1914
00:43:53.420 --> 00:43:53.860
it's just,

1915
00:43:54.260 --> 00:43:55.460
her argument is sound,

1916
00:43:55.780 --> 00:43:56.310
um,

1917
00:43:56.580 --> 00:43:57.130
but the,

1918
00:43:57.220 --> 00:43:57.370
the,

1919
00:43:57.460 --> 00:43:59.170
the core of the claim is that elective

1920
00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:01.230
abortion is still the greatest moral evil because

1921
00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:03.570
there's nothing worse than killing someone that is absolutely innocent,

1922
00:44:03.590 --> 00:44:05.520
and there's nothing more innocent that I can think of

1923
00:44:05.740 --> 00:44:06.290
than a baby.

1924
00:44:07.210 --> 00:44:07.550
OK,

1925
00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:07.840
well,

1926
00:44:08.050 --> 00:44:12.130
both of you actually did kind of agree that abortion is the greatest moral failure,

1927
00:44:12.330 --> 00:44:15.830
but it definitely didn't seem like others in the circle felt the same way.

1928
00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:19.730
So what do you personally think divides the right and the left

1929
00:44:19.930 --> 00:44:22.320
with on abortion being a moral issue?

1930
00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:24.110
The real divide comes down to this.

1931
00:44:24.410 --> 00:44:26.690
Is that unborn child a human being?

1932
00:44:27.040 --> 00:44:27.980
The right says yes,

1933
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:28.670
the left,

1934
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:29.220
typically,

1935
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:29.750
the some,

1936
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:30.190
as you saw,

1937
00:44:30.210 --> 00:44:31.660
some of the people in the chair said no.

1938
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:32.500
Um,

1939
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.110
even Santana was like,

1940
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.270
it's a parasite,

1941
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:36.090
it's a fetus,

1942
00:44:36.200 --> 00:44:37.050
it's not a,

1943
00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:38.150
it is a,

1944
00:44:38.200 --> 00:44:39.750
it is of the human species,

1945
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.310
and I believe that all human beings,

1946
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:42.470
regardless of state of development,

1947
00:44:42.520 --> 00:44:45.250
have this little thing called intrinsic moral worth

1948
00:44:45.560 --> 00:44:46.460
given to them

1949
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.380
by the creator of the universe,

1950
00:44:48.670 --> 00:44:50.350
because we're made in the image of God.

1951
00:44:50.720 --> 00:44:51.190
That doesn't,

1952
00:44:51.240 --> 00:44:51.380
and,

1953
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.490
and then a lot of the argument rolls around,

1954
00:44:53.520 --> 00:44:54.310
it comes for the left.

1955
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.390
The left loves to say,

1956
00:44:55.560 --> 00:44:55.630
well,

1957
00:44:55.660 --> 00:44:56.770
if you don't have sentience,

1958
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:57.630
if you don't have this,

1959
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.020
so you're telling me that a human being in order to

1960
00:45:00.450 --> 00:45:01.650
attain moral worth

1961
00:45:01.870 --> 00:45:04.730
has to have something that could exist on a sliding scale.

1962
00:45:05.030 --> 00:45:06.190
My scale is not sliding,

1963
00:45:06.240 --> 00:45:07.220
my scale doesn't move.

1964
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.390
If you're a human being,

1965
00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:10.820
you have moral worth that never disappears,

1966
00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:11.430
ever.

1967
00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:13.120
If you have sentience,

1968
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:14.610
sentience exists on a sliding scale.

1969
00:45:14.660 --> 00:45:15.930
We're not fully sentient when we're asleep,

1970
00:45:16.020 --> 00:45:16.410
are we?

1971
00:45:16.620 --> 00:45:18.650
We're not fully sentient when we're under an anesthetic in the,

1972
00:45:18.670 --> 00:45:19.610
in the emergency room,

1973
00:45:19.660 --> 00:45:20.050
are we?

1974
00:45:20.310 --> 00:45:21.960
So anything that could be

1975
00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:25.090
that could exist on an arbitrarily sliding scale,

1976
00:45:25.300 --> 00:45:27.650
I'm not gonna use that to define human moral worth.

1977
00:45:27.900 --> 00:45:28.450
I can't.

1978
00:45:29.410 --> 00:45:29.600
OK,

1979
00:45:29.770 --> 00:45:32.290
so are you in favor of a total

1980
00:45:32.490 --> 00:45:37.740
um abortion ban like we see in some states or do you have a duration-based

1981
00:45:38.130 --> 00:45:41.200
situation or a duration-based or should it be situation-based,

1982
00:45:41.290 --> 00:45:41.440
you know,

1983
00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:42.540
what are you in favor of?

1984
00:45:42.610 --> 00:45:43.680
It would be situation-based.

1985
00:45:43.730 --> 00:45:44.350
I'm not against,

1986
00:45:44.450 --> 00:45:44.660
I'm,

1987
00:45:44.690 --> 00:45:45.780
I'm against abortion

1988
00:45:45.890 --> 00:45:48.190
in the elective sense except in cases

1989
00:45:48.410 --> 00:45:49.760
where the health The mother is in danger,

1990
00:45:49.810 --> 00:45:51.000
the health of the infant is in danger,

1991
00:45:51.050 --> 00:45:52.600
the quality of life of the infant is in danger,

1992
00:45:52.670 --> 00:45:53.800
or rape or incest.

1993
00:45:53.970 --> 00:45:54.960
And I think most,

1994
00:45:55.130 --> 00:45:56.630
most moderate Republicans,

1995
00:45:56.810 --> 00:45:58.030
most moderate conservatives

1996
00:45:58.170 --> 00:45:59.400
would agree with that position.

1997
00:45:59.450 --> 00:46:00.040
And by the way,

1998
00:46:00.890 --> 00:46:03.840
it's still a grave moral evil on either side,

1999
00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:06.640
but I would be honest enough to say that

2000
00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:08.480
those would be the exceptions that I'm comfortable with.

2001
00:46:09.060 --> 00:46:09.680
OK.

2002
00:46:09.930 --> 00:46:10.200
Um,

2003
00:46:10.330 --> 00:46:11.380
you also kept

2004
00:46:11.490 --> 00:46:12.430
mentioning

2005
00:46:12.810 --> 00:46:14.710
how this is a socioeconomic problem,

2006
00:46:14.970 --> 00:46:16.580
especially in the black community.

2007
00:46:16.850 --> 00:46:17.000
So,

2008
00:46:17.090 --> 00:46:19.150
aside from practicing safe sex,

2009
00:46:19.330 --> 00:46:21.760
how can the black community improve on this issue?

2010
00:46:23.090 --> 00:46:23.510
Before,

2011
00:46:24.410 --> 00:46:25.770
I'm gonna quote my dad here,

2012
00:46:26.050 --> 00:46:28.260
how about before you know what a woman looks like naked,

2013
00:46:28.330 --> 00:46:29.760
you actually take the time to learn her name,

2014
00:46:29.850 --> 00:46:30.570
her favorite color,

2015
00:46:30.690 --> 00:46:31.120
things about her,

2016
00:46:31.210 --> 00:46:32.920
whether or not you actually like the person

2017
00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:35.400
versus just the experience of having sexual intercourse.

2018
00:46:35.450 --> 00:46:35.550
Like,

2019
00:46:35.650 --> 00:46:35.800
let's,

2020
00:46:35.850 --> 00:46:36.360
let's do that.

2021
00:46:36.410 --> 00:46:37.460
Let's actually build

2022
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:38.870
good relationships

2023
00:46:39.490 --> 00:46:40.440
between each other in the black.

2024
00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:40.800
Community,

2025
00:46:40.890 --> 00:46:41.840
let's just do that

2026
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.520
and that you know regardless of whatever race we are,

2027
00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:45.050
I think we,

2028
00:46:45.090 --> 00:46:45.260
we,

2029
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:45.530
we,

2030
00:46:45.650 --> 00:46:46.070
we,

2031
00:46:46.490 --> 00:46:47.760
one of the negative effects of the

2032
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.870
sexual revolution and the introduction of birth control

2033
00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:51.840
was that you could engage in pleasure without

2034
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.310
knowing the person you're doing this with genuinely.

2035
00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:56.160
And I think if we practice that,

2036
00:46:56.210 --> 00:46:58.240
I think we'd be much better off as a whole.

2037
00:46:59.310 --> 00:46:59.740
All right.

2038
00:46:59.790 --> 00:47:01.620
And then I just wanted to know,

2039
00:47:01.700 --> 00:47:02.170
like,

2040
00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:05.410
kind of backing up as more states are

2041
00:47:05.590 --> 00:47:08.500
leaning towards a total abortion ban,

2042
00:47:08.790 --> 00:47:08.980
uh,

2043
00:47:09.110 --> 00:47:09.740
we're seeing,

2044
00:47:09.870 --> 00:47:12.330
are we seeing an increase in abortions,

2045
00:47:12.390 --> 00:47:12.630
um,

2046
00:47:12.710 --> 00:47:14.950
in the states bordering those states?

2047
00:47:15.350 --> 00:47:15.960
Do you know that?

2048
00:47:15.980 --> 00:47:16.060
I,

2049
00:47:16.750 --> 00:47:17.980
I would have to go look that up.

2050
00:47:18.040 --> 00:47:19.310
I don't want to speak unintelligently.

2051
00:47:19.410 --> 00:47:19.520
I,

2052
00:47:19.590 --> 00:47:20.940
I would have to go pull those numbers.

2053
00:47:20.990 --> 00:47:23.420
I'm not even certain and I wouldn't want to misquote something here.

2054
00:47:23.590 --> 00:47:24.520
Do you think that

2055
00:47:24.830 --> 00:47:25.810
Republicans have

2056
00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:26.930
a practical

2057
00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:31.050
answer on abortion because right now it seems to be very black and white.

2058
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.140
Women are actually getting locked up.

2059
00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:34.970
There are women are also dying

2060
00:47:35.070 --> 00:47:37.540
um with these new abortion laws.

2061
00:47:37.670 --> 00:47:40.620
So do you feel like there's a more practical answer and a solution?

2062
00:47:41.150 --> 00:47:41.740
I think there is.

2063
00:47:41.790 --> 00:47:45.140
I think that uh you would have to be investigated on a case by case basis.

2064
00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:45.310
I,

2065
00:47:45.390 --> 00:47:45.710
I would,

2066
00:47:45.870 --> 00:47:50.060
I would start if I was president right now and I had dictatorial power for 30 days.

2067
00:47:50.490 --> 00:47:55.110
I would mandate that any case of a woman needing an abortion should be,

2068
00:47:55.370 --> 00:47:55.520
uh,

2069
00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:56.670
we should look at whether or not

2070
00:47:56.810 --> 00:47:57.920
it was due to rape or incest.

2071
00:47:57.970 --> 00:47:59.680
I think automatic exception should be granted for that.

2072
00:47:59.770 --> 00:48:01.210
I think any anything that deals,

2073
00:48:01.330 --> 00:48:01.990
like I said already,

2074
00:48:02.290 --> 00:48:03.480
anything dealing with the health of the mother,

2075
00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:05.650
the health of the child or the quality of life of the child,

2076
00:48:05.890 --> 00:48:07.870
I think that needs to be investigated immediately,

2077
00:48:08.170 --> 00:48:08.680
um,

2078
00:48:08.850 --> 00:48:11.290
and I think that The exceptions need to be made in those cases,

2079
00:48:11.370 --> 00:48:11.600
period.

2080
00:48:11.690 --> 00:48:13.050
And if a Republican disagrees with that,

2081
00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:14.080
I'm gonna tell them they're insane.

2082
00:48:14.210 --> 00:48:14.530
Like I,

2083
00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:16.000
I just think that that's ridiculous.

2084
00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:16.260
I,

2085
00:48:16.290 --> 00:48:16.510
I,

2086
00:48:16.530 --> 00:48:16.910
you know,

2087
00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:17.280
I,

2088
00:48:17.370 --> 00:48:20.070
I have no problem calling out the radical right when they're just

2089
00:48:20.240 --> 00:48:21.490
arbitrarily saying

2090
00:48:21.730 --> 00:48:23.910
this is bad and it should never be done.

2091
00:48:23.930 --> 00:48:26.400
There's there exceptions prove the existence of the rule,

2092
00:48:26.450 --> 00:48:28.400
but that's why there are always exceptions to the rule.

2093
00:48:28.730 --> 00:48:29.310
This is,

2094
00:48:29.430 --> 00:48:30.520
this is a debate,

2095
00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:32.040
but it's also a conversation.

2096
00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:34.360
It's also an exchange of dialogue.

2097
00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:34.880
So,

2098
00:48:34.930 --> 00:48:37.690
did anything that anyone said from your episode

2099
00:48:37.850 --> 00:48:42.400
kind of change how you thought or you thought maybe I gotta dig deeper into this,

2100
00:48:42.530 --> 00:48:43.040
or were you like,

2101
00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:43.320
no,

2102
00:48:43.410 --> 00:48:44.300
I'm still,

2103
00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:45.780
still think what I think.

2104
00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:47.880
I still definitely still think what I think.

2105
00:48:47.970 --> 00:48:48.300
Um,

2106
00:48:48.490 --> 00:48:48.600
the,

2107
00:48:48.690 --> 00:48:50.830
the best conversation that I had

2108
00:48:51.200 --> 00:48:52.480
came from Tashika.

2109
00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:53.180
I will

2110
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.010
get out because I think that she was the most well prepared.

2111
00:48:55.060 --> 00:48:57.110
I think that she gave the best arguments

2112
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:58.370
in terms of coherence.

2113
00:48:58.660 --> 00:48:58.970
Um,

2114
00:48:59.140 --> 00:48:59.490
she gave me,

2115
00:48:59.580 --> 00:48:59.670
I'll,

2116
00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:00.410
I'll give her this,

2117
00:49:00.470 --> 00:49:02.810
I had to do more research into those statistics and to do,

2118
00:49:02.860 --> 00:49:02.970
you know,

2119
00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:03.620
looking that up,

2120
00:49:03.660 --> 00:49:03.960
but

2121
00:49:04.180 --> 00:49:05.250
the core of my arguments,

2122
00:49:05.300 --> 00:49:05.450
I mean,

2123
00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:06.920
I crafted those claims

2124
00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:09.500
based around what I genuinely believed in deeply,

2125
00:49:09.660 --> 00:49:10.100
and I didn't,

2126
00:49:10.180 --> 00:49:10.410
and I,

2127
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:10.650
you know,

2128
00:49:10.670 --> 00:49:12.410
I researched the mess out of them from both sides,

2129
00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:12.730
but you know,

2130
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.160
in preparation for that debate,

2131
00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:16.400
and so I didn't want to.

2132
00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:17.490
Um,

2133
00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:17.890
you know,

2134
00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:18.530
I don't know that I,

2135
00:49:18.620 --> 00:49:20.090
I don't know that my mind was changed.

2136
00:49:20.220 --> 00:49:21.810
I was going in there trying to change minds,

2137
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:22.050
you know,

2138
00:49:22.070 --> 00:49:22.290
it was,

2139
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.460
it was my job to be the,

2140
00:49:23.590 --> 00:49:23.850
the,

2141
00:49:23.890 --> 00:49:25.090
the preacher in the pulpit

2142
00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:26.840
in the surrounded chair in a sense.

2143
00:49:27.140 --> 00:49:27.210
Uh,

2144
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:28.820
I was going in there to try to change minds,

2145
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:29.160
and,

2146
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:29.680
uh,

2147
00:49:30.060 --> 00:49:30.170
I,

2148
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:31.900
I don't think that minds got changed on too,

2149
00:49:31.930 --> 00:49:32.420
too much.

2150
00:49:33.210 --> 00:49:33.520
I mean,

2151
00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:36.560
do you think that in general that people are trying to

2152
00:49:36.560 --> 00:49:39.350
have their mind changed or is it that people are listening

2153
00:49:39.530 --> 00:49:44.250
to respond instead of listening to try to comprehend or even just agree to disagree?

2154
00:49:44.660 --> 00:49:45.250
I think it's a,

2155
00:49:45.340 --> 00:49:45.570
you know,

2156
00:49:45.650 --> 00:49:46.080
I'll be honest,

2157
00:49:46.140 --> 00:49:47.090
I think it's a little bit of both.

2158
00:49:47.190 --> 00:49:48.610
I think a lot of people,

2159
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:50.440
some people go into these debates

2160
00:49:50.770 --> 00:49:52.800
with their talking points preloaded and,

2161
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:53.130
you know,

2162
00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:53.330
they,

2163
00:49:53.420 --> 00:49:53.770
they wanna,

2164
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:55.210
they wanna have the gotcha moments and then

2165
00:49:55.210 --> 00:49:56.670
you have some conversations where it's like,

2166
00:49:56.700 --> 00:49:56.810
OK,

2167
00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:58.050
we have points of agreement.

2168
00:49:58.300 --> 00:49:58.450
Um,

2169
00:49:58.540 --> 00:50:00.230
I try to be as open-minded as possible.

2170
00:50:00.380 --> 00:50:00.530
Um,

2171
00:50:00.660 --> 00:50:01.490
I have my,

2172
00:50:01.740 --> 00:50:01.890
you know,

2173
00:50:02.020 --> 00:50:05.050
I have my presuppositions about life in the universe that I will never move from,

2174
00:50:05.100 --> 00:50:05.480
absolutely,

2175
00:50:05.660 --> 00:50:05.910
but

2176
00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:06.660
Within though,

2177
00:50:06.770 --> 00:50:06.940
you know,

2178
00:50:07.270 --> 00:50:07.740
within that,

2179
00:50:07.830 --> 00:50:08.660
even as I say that,

2180
00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:09.860
there's some areas where it's like,

2181
00:50:09.910 --> 00:50:10.040
OK,

2182
00:50:10.110 --> 00:50:10.590
there's always,

2183
00:50:10.830 --> 00:50:10.940
you know,

2184
00:50:10.990 --> 00:50:12.030
there's a phrase my dad

2185
00:50:12.150 --> 00:50:13.010
taught me when I was a kid,

2186
00:50:13.270 --> 00:50:13.940
it's very simple,

2187
00:50:14.030 --> 00:50:14.550
but it means a lot.

2188
00:50:14.790 --> 00:50:15.890
It's all life is all about

2189
00:50:16.020 --> 00:50:16.530
two things,

2190
00:50:16.550 --> 00:50:17.450
growth and development.

2191
00:50:17.670 --> 00:50:18.740
We're all gonna grow old,

2192
00:50:18.990 --> 00:50:20.160
but are we developing

2193
00:50:20.350 --> 00:50:22.140
more and better critical thoughts,

2194
00:50:22.230 --> 00:50:22.350
you know,

2195
00:50:22.510 --> 00:50:23.410
capable skills

2196
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:24.420
as we get older,

2197
00:50:24.550 --> 00:50:25.060
as we,

2198
00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:25.380
you know,

2199
00:50:25.710 --> 00:50:26.370
progress in age,

2200
00:50:26.590 --> 00:50:27.160
um.

2201
00:50:27.620 --> 00:50:28.890
And I'll be honest,

2202
00:50:29.220 --> 00:50:29.530
I,

2203
00:50:29.620 --> 00:50:30.510
I did learn

2204
00:50:30.740 --> 00:50:32.290
that I've never done enough reading,

2205
00:50:32.420 --> 00:50:32.650
you know,

2206
00:50:32.780 --> 00:50:32.920
and,

2207
00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:34.130
and I can never do enough reading,

2208
00:50:34.220 --> 00:50:34.890
but I think that's,

2209
00:50:34.940 --> 00:50:36.200
that's the key thing

2210
00:50:36.540 --> 00:50:38.450
that I was left with from this debate.

2211
00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:38.770
It's,

2212
00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:39.090
it's,

2213
00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:39.440
you know,

2214
00:50:39.620 --> 00:50:41.910
you have to continue to attain knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

2215
00:50:42.540 --> 00:50:43.050
All right.

2216
00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:43.370
Oh,

2217
00:50:43.460 --> 00:50:44.130
I love that.

2218
00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:44.410
Hey,

2219
00:50:44.500 --> 00:50:46.450
if it doesn't work out for you in the political space,

2220
00:50:46.580 --> 00:50:48.210
I feel like you definitely could be a preacher.

2221
00:50:50.660 --> 00:50:50.900
People have

2222
00:50:51.050 --> 00:50:51.120
been

2223
00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:52.720
doing this since I was like 9 years old,

2224
00:50:52.770 --> 00:50:52.980
OK,

2225
00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:53.790
I don't know that.

2226
00:50:53.930 --> 00:50:55.320
I don't live my life in the shadow of the

2227
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.550
cross enough to ever stand in the pulpit telling people,

2228
00:50:57.770 --> 00:50:58.880
the Lord said do this,

2229
00:50:58.970 --> 00:50:59.560
and then Austin,

2230
00:50:59.610 --> 00:51:00.090
are you doing it?

2231
00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:00.680
Oh well,

2232
00:51:00.770 --> 00:51:01.370
I don't know.

2233
00:51:01.530 --> 00:51:01.870
You know,

2234
00:51:02.010 --> 00:51:03.400
that's why he had to die on the cross for me.

2235
00:51:03.490 --> 00:51:04.010
So,

2236
00:51:05.240 --> 00:51:05.310
well,

2237
00:51:05.330 --> 00:51:06.160
if it's not preaching,

2238
00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:06.770
maybe

2239
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.210
comedy because

2240
00:51:08.330 --> 00:51:10.080
all the voices you have in your head are great.

2241
00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:11.080
They are great.

2242
00:51:12.690 --> 00:51:15.360
It could be a legit psychological issue for me if I wanted it to be.

2243
00:51:15.410 --> 00:51:15.920
It could.

2244
00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:17.280
There's Peter Griffin somewhere.

2245
00:51:17.330 --> 00:51:18.110
There's Quagmire.

2246
00:51:18.130 --> 00:51:19.480
There's Trump sitting somewhere in there.

2247
00:51:19.730 --> 00:51:20.190
It's,

2248
00:51:20.290 --> 00:51:20.970
and at the base of it,

2249
00:51:20.990 --> 00:51:22.440
it's Malcolm X and Martin Luther King,

2250
00:51:22.530 --> 00:51:22.650
right?

2251
00:51:22.890 --> 00:51:23.800
And they just all come out.

2252
00:51:23.890 --> 00:51:24.430
It's great.

2253
00:51:24.690 --> 00:51:24.800
Well,

2254
00:51:24.970 --> 00:51:25.470
Austin,

2255
00:51:25.970 --> 00:51:27.530
I really wanna thank you for your time.

2256
00:51:27.610 --> 00:51:29.750
Thank you for joining us and clarifying your claims.

2257
00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:32.970
And I also wanna thank you guys for watching and listening at home.

2258
00:51:33.210 --> 00:51:35.770
Please make sure to tune into our next episode of Surrounded.

2259
00:51:36.670 --> 00:51:37.140
Bye.