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You have a lot of politicians on the Democrat

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side who got behind authoritarian practices during COVID.

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I'm not going to support those individuals,

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but the authoritarian practices today,

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you're willing to look past

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some of them,

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yes.

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Come on,

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man.

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The mainstream political left commits more

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violence than the mainstream political right.

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None of what you're saying makes any sense.

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It sounds like you're honestly grifting a lot.

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You can say that.

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Let me ask you a question every fucking year and it doesn't happen,

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and I never,

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it just hasn't happened yet.

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Do you want me to get you a soapbox?

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It's really I can leave.

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You want me,

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I'm really easy to do what you do.

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It's really easy to do what you do.

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Is the United States.

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Tracking towards civil war

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or is America more united than it seems?

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Hi everyone,

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I'm Paris Rose and I'll be filling in for John today

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from Jubilee Media.

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This is Surrounded,

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where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers.

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Today we're debating which political party is more violent

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is authoritarianism on the rise in America

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and have both parties abandoned their oath to the Constitution?

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I'm here with our future guest,

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moderate political commentator

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Tim Poole.

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Hi,

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I'm Tim Poole.

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I'm the host of Timcast IRL and today I'm surrounded by progressives.

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My first surrounded claim

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is that the mainstream left commits more violence than the mainstream right.

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If you'd like to be the first debater,

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get to the chair in 321.

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How's it going?

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Great to meet you,

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buddy.

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How you doing?

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Pretty good,

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pretty good.

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There seems to be like a broader implication

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with your prompt that there's this domestic threat

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from mainstream left politicians.

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Like,

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do you really think Hillary Clinton's like leading the Vanguard Revolution Party?

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Like,

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no,

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what,

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what is your take?

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When you look at the violence that we do see.

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Uh,

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there's,

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it's,

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it's,

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it's,

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uh,

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from,

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I describe it as from blunt to acute,

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which is

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with the fringe extreme right you'll see extreme,

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uh,

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mass shootings.

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you know,

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someone will show up and unload on people,

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things like that.

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you'll see riots,

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vandalism that you don't see from the right,

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The point I'm making is that when you break down

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the ideology that motivates individuals that commit political violence,

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there is more,

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more often an overlap between what the Democratic Party espouses ideologically

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and what we see in street level violence,

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as well as maybe assassinations.

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What is is what the Republicans would espouse.

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I mean,

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I couldn't disagree more.

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What,

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what ideologies that the Democratic Party is promoting

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that leads to these types of violence.

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Anytime you see an act of violence that's typically attributed to the left,

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it is immediately condemned by every Democrat.

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Politician.

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You couldn't point to one that actually endorses that

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where you have somebody like Donald Trump who's

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literally the president of the United States saying that

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we should call for the death of congressional members

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who are fulfilling their civic duty and saying,

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maybe you shouldn't,

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fulfill illegal orders if you're in the military,

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and Donald Trump's asking for them to be put to death.

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How is that not inciting to violence?

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that is,

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that's absolutely terrifying.

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I completely disagree with that.

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my point more so is that when you see,

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the George Floyd or the BLM riots.

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Biden and Kamala themselves promoting fundraisers

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for those accused of committing these crimes

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during which crimes,

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which crimes could you point to?

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So in Minnesota you had,

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there was famously there was a firefighter who opened a sports bar.

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when the,

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when the,

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local news went to interview him.

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About his dream bar being burnt to the ground,

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it was ransacked.

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I don't think it was burnt to the ground.

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while they're filming the story,

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there were people looting a safe and stealing it.

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I think that there's absolutely a big

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difference between a lot of the private buildings

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or private enterprises that were targeted versus

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like public institutions like the police precinct.

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you're somebody who I've seen the iconography on your show,

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you're,

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you're a big patriotic guy.

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Love 1776,

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right?

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That wasn't the most peaceful way that we had,

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you know,

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criticizing our government or saying that tyranny

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shouldn't exist with the Revolutionary War,

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but I will say on before they signed,

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I will say that the police precincts,

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that the same people who committed a brutal murder

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using state violence in order to justify that,

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I think we can understand why people would rightfully be,

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be mad without any accountability control

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of the police department in Minneapolis.

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That that is not the central,

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first of all,

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we're talking about the mainstream political left,

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which politicians are endorsing that type of

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ever said politicians were endorsing it.

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Then what's the mainstream left?

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whose ideology aligns with politicians who are you say

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that those activists identify with the Democratic Party,

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the ones that are committed by the Democratic Party because let me tell you,

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the leftists that you could talk to,

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not the biggest fans of the Democratic Party Party in favor of Black Lives Matter.

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not right leaning conservatives who claim to be moderates riots.

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Usually those people also agree that police violence is something

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that should be the riots Black Lives Matter motivated?

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They were motivated

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by Black Lives Matter.

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So that ideology is espoused by,

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so my point is Black Lives Matter is not encouraging violence.

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Black Lives Matter is recognizing systemic inequality where they were,

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they were telling people to go be violent.

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I'm saying that there are violent individuals

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and with the riots,

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a lot of them,

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which we've seen,

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can you tell me how about this,

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Chris?

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Tell me who Chris Wray is.

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Do you know who Chris Wray is?

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Explain it to me.

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Well,

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you,

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you have a show talking about politics every day.

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I would think that you know,

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but Chris Wray was the former,

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let's not,

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let's not do this.

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If you have a point to make,

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let's make a point.

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Let's not try and play these games.

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So Chris Wray was the former FBI director under Donald Trump's first term.

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He said that

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he even agreed with the findings from both the congressional research session

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that

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right-wing violence is way more proliferate

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in this country than left-wing violence.

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That's not,

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that's not meaningful to a voter.

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Let me explain.

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The Republican Party rejects neo-Nazism,

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correct?

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No,

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Donald Trump invited Nick Fuentes to have dinner with him,

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with Kanye West.

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So tell me one politician who went out and campaigned for the neo-Nazi vote.

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I'm blanking on his name,

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but Gawzer,

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Gozar,

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and that,

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is that a main Arizona view in this,

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in this country?

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we could talk about Gozar,

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we could talk about Matt Gates.

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We could talk about Gates.

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I'm not endorsing neo-Nazism,

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and Donald Trump said you kidding me?

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Nazis should be condemned entirely.

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No,

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he is literally partnering with the America First movement.

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He was a America and neo-Nazism are totally different,

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bro.

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So you don't think neo,

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do you think Nick Fuentes is a neo-Nazi?

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I forgot you've had him on your show.

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Oh my God,

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I would literally forget.

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I wouldn't describe Nick Fuentes as a neo-Nazi.

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You don't think that Nick Fuentes celebrating

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Adolf Hitler is not neo-Nazi adjacent.

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I think you have to be very specific on what your terms are.

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And so when you go to an American voter and say something like,

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this is our moderate,

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by the way,

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everybody,

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this is our moderate indeed.

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Keep going.

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when you go to a regular American and ask them

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what is meaningful to them in terms of an election.

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You don't have Democrats or Republicans endorsing violence,

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but you also don't have,

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Charlie Kirk's a good example.

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He threw out Nick Fuentes,

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he threw out white identitarians,

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white nationalists from his events.

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They were not welcome.

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That's mainstream.

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You don't have riots coming from.

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The Republican Party and the right,

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although you do have January 6th and things like that.

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When you take a look at the,

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say,

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the shootings of the Tesla facilities,

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the execution of Aaron Danielson,

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the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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one of the attempted assassinations on Donald Trump,

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not the,

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not the Pennsylvania one.

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You can see the underlying ideologies overlap with the Democratic Party.

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When you take a look at like Nick Fuentes,

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he's opposed to the Republican Party.

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He's actively,

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he's been actively endorsing Democrats right now.

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He's been saying that the Republican Party is too left for him.

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It's not that he's opposed to the Republican Party in principle.

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This is literally my point.

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Nick Fuentes comes out and says,

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do not vote for Trump.

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The mainstream Republican Party is at odds with these people.

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No,

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again.

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You're looking at all of the empirical data,

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the violence is way more on the right.

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So you can say what your feelings are.

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You can say that feeling nor the claim.

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It is not meaningful to a voter to say

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we don't like neo-Nazis and white supremacists

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because the Republican Party is not saying

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they want to say let's be objective of where the violence is coming from,

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and if it's more substantially coming from the right,

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that is a problem that needs to be tackled coming from Charlie Kirk.

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OK,

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we're not talking about Charlie Kirk,

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we're talking about the overall ideologies.

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In fact,

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we're not.

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So you're telling me,

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you're telling me that the prioritization of hierarchies,

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both ethnic,

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both cultural,

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that is not a dangerous ideology,

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but something like BLM that says,

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hey,

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maybe we should take back police violence,

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maybe you should have accountability for people who are

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in charge of certain aspects of our nation,

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committing violence on citizens,

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those are absolutely completely different ideologies.

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Apologies

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and the fact that you're saying it is more motivating

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for violence that the left wing is encouraging people to take

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those that are committing violence accountable in the last 10 years

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there have been over 465 incidents of left motivated political violence

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that aligns with the Democratic Party,

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and there's been one

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on the Republican side,

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which is January 6th,

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which,

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which admittedly is particularly egregious.

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January 6th was that's why we talk about blunt versus acute.

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Now the problem is I already know what all you're gonna say.

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You're gonna cite FBI stats and Cato,

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but it's not meaningful to me or any voter

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to tell me why white supremacists are

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violent because I don't like white supremacists,

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nor will I vote for them.

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And more importantly,

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you bring up Nick Fuentes.

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He is not aligned with Republicans and he's advocated against them.

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And I think,

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I think for somebody who don't like him,

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I think for somebody who has a political show

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where you talk about this stuff every day,

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you are completely misreading the conversation

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when you're saying that those that are engaged in like civil disobedience or like.

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I'm not talking about voters.

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You're,

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you're telling me that those people are

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canvassing for Democratic politician said that,

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which is actually not true,

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absolutely in favor of canvassing.

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I'm in favor of,

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uh,

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protesting.

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I'm saying that you're,

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I'm not saying that you're against that.

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I'm saying don't try and frame my argument

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like I'm upset with protests because I've defended,

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I've defended Black Lives Matter blocking streets.

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I've defended left aligned progressive groups like uh

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anti-capitalist groups blocking streets and environmental groups.

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I stand with civil disobedience and I've defended them every single time.

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If you want to block.

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A road,

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there's what is it that you're saying is more violent on the left.

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You mentioned Black Lives Matter.

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You mentioned these.

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Let's talk about uh the Tesla facilities being unloaded upon or shot up,

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right?

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These are motivated by an ideology that you will hear from Elizabeth Warren.

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Now,

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of course,

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she's not telling people to shoot anybody,

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but she is coming out saying Elon Musk is a dangerous threat to this country.

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And then you end up with someone going and pulling a rifle up and shooting up a Tesla.

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It's when you understand that the right always says politicians.

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Are not responsible for individual actions.

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Elizabeth Warren saying,

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hey,

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maybe we should have the same sort of economic policies they have in Scandinavia.

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That is not her encouraging,

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go shoot up a Tesla facility where Donald Trump's saying,

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let's hang the people.

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Let's hang the people who encourage

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those in the military to actually fulfill their duties.

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That is completely my claim is not that the

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right is completely the leader of the Republican Party,

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my dear.

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I to say that these are equivocal at all

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is completely condemn 100% what Donald Trump said,

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calling for the death of those politicians.

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We have to move on.

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Great to meet you,

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Tim.

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Likewise.

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If you'd like to be the next debater,

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get to the chair in 321.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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What I find really interesting is the whole premise of

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like the Occupy Wall Street movement was to protest,

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right?

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It was specifically geared towards making sure that

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the general public

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was understanding the situation at the time,

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which had a lot to do with anti-capitalist,

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um,

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motives,

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right?

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And so when we're talking about who's more violent

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than who we have to be very specific that.

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The violence that is uh recorded in the data

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is not ideological violence.

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It's not this like rhetoric.

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It has to be evidentiary.

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So

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if you're going to say like,

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oh,

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Black Lives Matter,

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um,

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and any leftists uh that are associated with that are automatically violent,

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that's just not the case and but that's what you're implying I'm.

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that

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when you have riots in this country,

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overwhelmingly,

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the underlying ideology aligns with the mainstream left ideology of this country.

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But what you're saying

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in your prompt

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that you wrote

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is that

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the left is more violent than the right.

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The mainstream political left commits more

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violence than the mainstream political right,

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right,

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the mainstream.

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And what I'm trying to tell you is that.

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The data is not showing that that is the actual evidence.

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If you're talking,

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no,

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it doesn't 775/10 years,

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75 to 80%

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of violence,

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actual violence that is being tracked

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as domestic terrorism

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comes from the right.

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It's white supremacist groups and white supremacists are not,

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uh,

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in,

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in a large political party getting voted for.

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Yes they are.

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The Republican Party

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is a very largely right wing.

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It is very far right.

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If you,

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but they're not white supremacists,

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nor would,

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nor are the Americans voting for Republican Party because

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they want white supremacy Make America Great Again means?

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I think it means making the economy improve.

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I think it means

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building our cultural institutions.

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Well,

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you can according to what time?

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According to what time?

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I'll give you that.

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Probably the 80s

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because Trump's an old man.

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I,

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I would,

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I would say the 90s seriously doubt he meant the 80s.

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He's much older than the 80s.

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Well,

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your,

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your interpretation of

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Donald Trump's opinions is separate from

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when we see a riot,

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what is motivating the riot,

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when we sees an assassination policies,

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don't they?

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Indeed,

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and nobody,

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no one,

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no one here is making the claim that Donald Trump is innocent,

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nor

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does he not.

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have individuals who you're attempting to make a claim that his

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type of ideology that leads his policy is not nearly as violent

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as the left,

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how many riots have there been largely anti-capitalist,

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which is largely anti-fascist.

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None of what you're saying makes any sense.

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It sounds like you're honestly grifting a lot.

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How many,

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how many Republican riots have there been?

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Um,

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I don't know the exact number,

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but what are you classifying as a riot?

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What?

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Because if you're completing protesting with rioting,

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that's a very different thing.

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No,

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we're talking specifically about people

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ransacking Tesla facilities,

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vehicles,

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charging stations.

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You're so obsessed with the Tesla thing.

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Why don't we actually talk about,

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I think it might be.

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I don't a rifle and I don't shooting is like investing in your company or something,

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but let's like remove the Tesla out of it.

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That has nothing to do with what your actual prompt is saying.

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No,

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that's actually what is.

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No,

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it sounds a lot like then you're arguing something decided no,

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you're arguing something else because it sounds like you went from somebody who

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was doing really important work in Occupy Wall Street to then grifting all.

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All the way to defending the far right people,

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that's crazy.

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What was the important work?

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What important work?

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You said,

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in terms of Occupy Wall Street,

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I,

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I think,

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you know,

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in terms of that movement,

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I thought it was,

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um,

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it,

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it was one of the first times in our generation that we were able to see

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an actual organization against capital.

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Can I ask you how old you are?

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No,

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you cannot ask me how were you politically active during Occupy Wall Street?

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Yes,

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I was.

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Did you follow the news about me during during Occupy Wall Street?

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Uh,

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not specifically,

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and the news was that Occupy denounced the violence.

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I had filmed leftists deflating police tires who physically attacked me,

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and I was attacked by a masked individual smacking my camera out of his hand.

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Occupy Wall Street vendetta for you then gave me indeed,

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if you're taking,

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if you're getting emotional about this and you don't want to have an argument,

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that's fine.

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Do I look emotional?

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You do because you don't know what happened during Occupy.

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And your argument is off because you don't.

559
00:14:32.989 --> 00:14:35.909
This honestly sounds like you have a personal vendetta from your

560
00:14:35.909 --> 00:14:38.909
history that has absolutely nothing with what your actions prompted,

561
00:14:39.229 --> 00:14:42.830
which is around far right people being much more violent than the left.

562
00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:43.890
We have to pause.

563
00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:45.179
Love the passion,

564
00:14:45.309 --> 00:14:46.010
but pause.

565
00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:47.669
All right.

566
00:14:50.260 --> 00:14:51.630
If you'd like to be the next debater,

567
00:14:51.780 --> 00:14:55.789
please get to the chair in 321.

568
00:14:57.719 --> 00:14:58.239
You got it.

569
00:14:58.479 --> 00:14:58.909
Nice to meet you.

570
00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:00.119
How's it going?

571
00:15:00.359 --> 00:15:00.599
Good.

572
00:15:02.010 --> 00:15:03.640
I think we should just get to the heart of it.

573
00:15:03.969 --> 00:15:05.229
Donald Trump is a fascist.

574
00:15:05.409 --> 00:15:07.760
He has Nazis in his administration,

575
00:15:08.049 --> 00:15:09.469
his entire messaging

576
00:15:09.650 --> 00:15:12.429
was resonating with Nazis from the very beginning.

577
00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:13.630
Donald Trump,

578
00:15:13.849 --> 00:15:16.080
when rallying for 2024,

579
00:15:16.409 --> 00:15:18.760
had a massive rally in Madison Square Garden.

580
00:15:18.809 --> 00:15:20.330
What was the significance of that rally?

581
00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:21.780
You tell me.

582
00:15:22.119 --> 00:15:22.280
Yeah,

583
00:15:22.359 --> 00:15:23.309
it's the same place,

584
00:15:23.520 --> 00:15:25.299
same date as the Nazis

585
00:15:25.510 --> 00:15:26.719
in the 1940s.

586
00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:27.739
Literally.

587
00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:28.710
Um,

588
00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:30.619
Donald Trump said that,

589
00:15:30.719 --> 00:15:31.159
uh,

590
00:15:31.309 --> 00:15:33.520
immigrants are poisoning the blood of America.

591
00:15:34.369 --> 00:15:35.530
In their varmint.

592
00:15:35.940 --> 00:15:36.979
Who also said that?

593
00:15:37.219 --> 00:15:37.700
You tell me.

594
00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:38.380
Hitler.

595
00:15:39.239 --> 00:15:39.799
Literally,

596
00:15:40.479 --> 00:15:42.179
Donald Trump has openly

597
00:15:42.429 --> 00:15:44.229
said things as dog whistles.

598
00:15:44.450 --> 00:15:46.320
So you may say that it's not mainstream,

599
00:15:46.479 --> 00:15:48.719
but the entire ideology of the right

600
00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.000
speaks to those people.

601
00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:50.469
Let me ask you,

602
00:15:50.520 --> 00:15:50.630
what,

603
00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.059
what do you mean by fascist?

604
00:15:52.400 --> 00:15:52.640
Uh,

605
00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:53.159
far-right,

606
00:15:53.229 --> 00:15:54.000
authoritarian,

607
00:15:54.150 --> 00:15:55.260
ultra-nationalistic,

608
00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.039
14 tens of fascism,

609
00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:57.400
all that.

610
00:15:57.460 --> 00:15:59.000
But there's a specific definition of fascist.

611
00:15:59.070 --> 00:16:00.340
Do you just mean that

612
00:16:00.590 --> 00:16:00.719
he's,

613
00:16:00.760 --> 00:16:01.729
he's an authoritarian?

614
00:16:02.119 --> 00:16:02.349
No,

615
00:16:02.479 --> 00:16:04.630
I mean that he meets all 14 tenets of fascism,

616
00:16:04.710 --> 00:16:05.200
fascism,

617
00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:05.940
which is what.

618
00:16:06.409 --> 00:16:07.909
Do you want to go through all 14 points.

619
00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:08.419
I don't.

620
00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:08.590
I,

621
00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:09.979
I'm trying to understand your argument,

622
00:16:10.059 --> 00:16:10.340
but so,

623
00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:13.299
so my point largely is we see people say Trump is a fascist,

624
00:16:13.539 --> 00:16:14.450
but there's,

625
00:16:14.729 --> 00:16:14.859
you know,

626
00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:15.049
if,

627
00:16:15.109 --> 00:16:15.460
if you go to,

628
00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:16.900
if you go to an academic and you look at fascism,

629
00:16:16.979 --> 00:16:17.559
say Italy,

630
00:16:17.940 --> 00:16:18.020
there,

631
00:16:18.140 --> 00:16:19.820
there's a common argument that you have the,

632
00:16:19.900 --> 00:16:20.010
the,

633
00:16:20.059 --> 00:16:20.169
the,

634
00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:23.479
the merger of corporate corporation and state as the defining

635
00:16:23.989 --> 00:16:25.099
element of what fascism is.

636
00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.299
There's different forms of fascism,

637
00:16:27.599 --> 00:16:27.760
right?

638
00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.799
And the actual premise is the authoritarian.

639
00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.840
Donald Trump is absolutely a fascist,

640
00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:33.429
he's,

641
00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:33.599
uh,

642
00:16:33.719 --> 00:16:34.109
like I said,

643
00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:35.840
he has Nazis in his administration.

644
00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:37.000
I think we're shifting,

645
00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:37.570
um,

646
00:16:38.239 --> 00:16:38.880
Pete Hesset.

647
00:16:40.650 --> 00:16:40.659
How,

648
00:16:40.669 --> 00:16:42.729
how is Heck and literally has a proud Nazi tattoo on his chest.

649
00:16:43.260 --> 00:16:45.460
Stephen Miller is absolutely a Nazi.

650
00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.119
Stephen Miller does not have a Nazi tattoo on his chest.

651
00:16:48.229 --> 00:16:48.479
That's,

652
00:16:48.659 --> 00:16:48.669
yeah,

653
00:16:49.109 --> 00:16:49.159
no,

654
00:16:49.280 --> 00:16:49.840
he does not have.

655
00:16:49.989 --> 00:16:51.440
He has a Catholic cross on his chest.

656
00:16:51.539 --> 00:16:51.859
OK.

657
00:16:52.119 --> 00:16:52.409
All right,

658
00:16:52.640 --> 00:16:53.020
cool.

659
00:16:53.239 --> 00:16:53.619
Um,

660
00:16:53.760 --> 00:16:53.919
I mean,

661
00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:54.119
guys,

662
00:16:54.239 --> 00:16:54.359
look,

663
00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:54.549
I,

664
00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:54.760
I,

665
00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:55.880
I went to Catholic school when I was little.

666
00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.320
I left,

667
00:16:56.400 --> 00:16:57.739
I left in 5th grade.

668
00:16:58.229 --> 00:16:59.280
Pete Hegseth is not a Nazi.

669
00:16:59.400 --> 00:16:59.520
Yeah,

670
00:16:59.630 --> 00:16:59.960
that's that,

671
00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:00.219
OK,

672
00:17:00.349 --> 00:17:00.619
cool.

673
00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:01.140
Um,

674
00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.359
question for you.

675
00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.660
When Donald Trump and his

676
00:17:04.660 --> 00:17:07.699
administration specifically actually implement policies

677
00:17:08.118 --> 00:17:10.560
that go at the heart of what Nazis want,

678
00:17:10.719 --> 00:17:10.839
like,

679
00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:11.699
targeting

680
00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.390
the first group of people they targeted was the transgender community,

681
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:15.750
same thing as the Nazi.

682
00:17:16.118 --> 00:17:16.390
The,

683
00:17:16.439 --> 00:17:19.500
the actual Nazis specifically targeted

684
00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:20.719
people that weren't like them.

685
00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.180
There's been a persistent and consistent attack on undocumented immigrants,

686
00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:25.150
black people,

687
00:17:25.479 --> 00:17:25.819
women,

688
00:17:26.348 --> 00:17:28.699
anyone that's not a straight white male in America.

689
00:17:29.670 --> 00:17:29.910
My,

690
00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:30.250
my,

691
00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:30.510
uh,

692
00:17:30.589 --> 00:17:32.560
principal claim is not that Donald Trump is innocent,

693
00:17:32.589 --> 00:17:33.510
nor perfect nor good.

694
00:17:33.630 --> 00:17:35.869
My claim is that when you look at street level violence,

695
00:17:35.989 --> 00:17:36.469
domestic terror,

696
00:17:36.530 --> 00:17:36.949
etc.

697
00:17:37.270 --> 00:17:37.449
you'll,

698
00:17:37.569 --> 00:17:37.719
you'll,

699
00:17:37.829 --> 00:17:40.270
you'll find more violence coming from the mainstream

700
00:17:40.270 --> 00:17:42.449
left as opposed to the mainstream right.

701
00:17:42.750 --> 00:17:45.150
Because I do think it's fair to point out white supremacists are violent,

702
00:17:45.270 --> 00:17:46.359
they do evil and horrible things,

703
00:17:46.829 --> 00:17:47.140
and we all,

704
00:17:47.239 --> 00:17:47.780
we all condemn that.

705
00:17:47.800 --> 00:17:50.630
The white supremacists are a part of the mainstream right.

706
00:17:50.790 --> 00:17:50.859
Oh,

707
00:17:50.930 --> 00:17:51.229
they're not.

708
00:17:51.349 --> 00:17:51.459
They,

709
00:17:51.589 --> 00:17:52.229
they literally are.

710
00:17:52.339 --> 00:17:54.469
There's no circumstance where you can go on TV.

711
00:17:55.489 --> 00:17:56.089
Thank you.

712
00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:57.229
You can return to your seat.

713
00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:57.890
You've been voted out.

714
00:17:57.949 --> 00:17:58.089
Nice meeting you.

715
00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:02.189
Alright,

716
00:18:02.239 --> 00:18:03.550
if you'd like to be the next debater,

717
00:18:03.709 --> 00:18:07.489
please get to the chair in 321.

718
00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:09.459
How's it going?

719
00:18:09.609 --> 00:18:09.670
That was,

720
00:18:09.790 --> 00:18:10.500
that was an easy grab.

721
00:18:10.510 --> 00:18:11.109
You're right there.

722
00:18:12.150 --> 00:18:12.609
So

723
00:18:12.949 --> 00:18:14.750
the first thing I'll say is I think it's

724
00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:16.939
a bit disingenuous to characterize any of the,

725
00:18:16.989 --> 00:18:19.380
all of the property damage committed during BLM as

726
00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:22.420
left-wing violence because there are gonna be rogue opportunists,

727
00:18:22.699 --> 00:18:26.030
opportunists during the biggest civil rights protests in American history.

728
00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:27.550
That's first and foremost.

729
00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:27.939
Um,

730
00:18:28.030 --> 00:18:28.949
the second thing I would,

731
00:18:29.030 --> 00:18:29.969
I would like to say is

732
00:18:30.349 --> 00:18:33.589
I don't think it makes sense to confine political violence strictly.

733
00:18:34.192 --> 00:18:38.312
In the context of individuals acting with political motive violently,

734
00:18:38.482 --> 00:18:40.432
I think it ignores institutional violence.

735
00:18:40.482 --> 00:18:40.952
Theoretically,

736
00:18:40.962 --> 00:18:42.582
you could say the 1960s,

737
00:18:42.832 --> 00:18:42.991
uh,

738
00:18:43.041 --> 00:18:45.781
civil rights movement was more violent than the,

739
00:18:45.791 --> 00:18:46.232
uh,

740
00:18:46.241 --> 00:18:47.241
counter protesters,

741
00:18:47.322 --> 00:18:47.641
but

742
00:18:47.802 --> 00:18:49.702
obviously the institutional violence

743
00:18:49.842 --> 00:18:50.631
of segregation,

744
00:18:51.322 --> 00:18:51.521
right?

745
00:18:51.641 --> 00:18:51.842
So,

746
00:18:52.241 --> 00:18:54.562
so what I would say is that the Republican Party is,

747
00:18:54.641 --> 00:18:54.962
um,

748
00:18:55.072 --> 00:18:57.491
and the mainstream political right is far more violent

749
00:18:57.761 --> 00:18:58.511
because they support.

750
00:18:58.803 --> 00:18:58.973
Uh,

751
00:18:59.093 --> 00:19:01.404
ICE ripping and separating families from one another,

752
00:19:01.524 --> 00:19:03.673
even from people who have no criminal background.

753
00:19:04.083 --> 00:19:04.173
Uh,

754
00:19:04.254 --> 00:19:04.374
you know,

755
00:19:05.104 --> 00:19:08.894
ICE deaths under ICE custody has skyrocketed even as a matter of parade,

756
00:19:09.134 --> 00:19:09.813
war abroad,

757
00:19:09.894 --> 00:19:10.313
etc.

758
00:19:10.534 --> 00:19:11.053
But domestic,

759
00:19:11.313 --> 00:19:11.404
I,

760
00:19:11.484 --> 00:19:12.254
I'd love to talk the war stuff.

761
00:19:12.293 --> 00:19:12.644
I'm a sure,

762
00:19:12.723 --> 00:19:12.813
you know,

763
00:19:12.854 --> 00:19:13.494
a big foreign policy guy,

764
00:19:13.573 --> 00:19:13.654
but,

765
00:19:13.693 --> 00:19:13.813
uh,

766
00:19:13.894 --> 00:19:13.904
uh,

767
00:19:14.053 --> 00:19:14.593
domestically,

768
00:19:14.894 --> 00:19:15.703
did this not happen during,

769
00:19:15.803 --> 00:19:15.884
uh,

770
00:19:15.933 --> 00:19:17.043
Barack Obama's administration?

771
00:19:17.333 --> 00:19:17.443
Uh,

772
00:19:17.494 --> 00:19:17.734
it did,

773
00:19:17.803 --> 00:19:18.734
but not to the same extent.

774
00:19:19.134 --> 00:19:19.244
And,

775
00:19:19.313 --> 00:19:19.404
but,

776
00:19:19.473 --> 00:19:19.894
and he,

777
00:19:19.923 --> 00:19:22.693
and Barack Obama was criticized for it by who,

778
00:19:22.813 --> 00:19:23.374
the political left.

779
00:19:23.745 --> 00:19:24.145
Agreed.

780
00:19:24.586 --> 00:19:27.645
So my point is not to say again that there's no violence on the right,

781
00:19:27.745 --> 00:19:27.855
uh,

782
00:19:27.906 --> 00:19:29.745
and I think the institutional argument is actually a good one.

783
00:19:29.855 --> 00:19:30.066
However,

784
00:19:30.186 --> 00:19:30.306
I,

785
00:19:30.666 --> 00:19:30.776
my,

786
00:19:30.845 --> 00:19:31.125
my,

787
00:19:31.345 --> 00:19:33.965
my view largely is when you look at Occupy Wall Street,

788
00:19:33.985 --> 00:19:36.645
for which I was there and I watched police instigate fights,

789
00:19:36.865 --> 00:19:37.666
or when I was,

790
00:19:37.745 --> 00:19:38.855
I was on the ground during the,

791
00:19:38.865 --> 00:19:38.985
uh,

792
00:19:39.026 --> 00:19:39.176
the,

793
00:19:39.265 --> 00:19:39.385
the,

794
00:19:39.426 --> 00:19:39.645
the,

795
00:19:39.666 --> 00:19:39.786
the,

796
00:19:39.836 --> 00:19:40.656
the protests in,

797
00:19:40.666 --> 00:19:41.046
uh,

798
00:19:41.056 --> 00:19:42.225
on West Florissant Avenue,

799
00:19:42.465 --> 00:19:45.365
and I saw police throw a flash bang grenade

800
00:19:45.465 --> 00:19:48.296
at protesters who were not doing anything violent.

801
00:19:48.689 --> 00:19:52.130
The issue is these police are under Democrat administrations still where their,

802
00:19:52.219 --> 00:19:54.500
their chiefs are often appointed by Democrat politicians.

803
00:19:54.890 --> 00:19:55.219
So again,

804
00:19:55.339 --> 00:19:56.359
I understand the

805
00:19:56.520 --> 00:19:57.750
the left and progressives.

806
00:19:57.780 --> 00:20:01.800
That to me is also a little disingenuous because it's not as though the police,

807
00:20:01.859 --> 00:20:04.800
as a matter of its institution is a left wing institution.

808
00:20:05.030 --> 00:20:05.099
No,

809
00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:05.459
in fact,

810
00:20:05.530 --> 00:20:05.900
in fact,

811
00:20:06.229 --> 00:20:09.380
usually the police are protecting and on the other side

812
00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:11.650
of left wing the protesters that IC under Trump,

813
00:20:11.699 --> 00:20:13.349
I'll make the argument of police under the Democrats,

814
00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:13.500
sir.

815
00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:13.790
Well,

816
00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:14.180
I,

817
00:20:14.260 --> 00:20:15.060
I don't know.

818
00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:15.420
Well,

819
00:20:15.579 --> 00:20:15.839
the

820
00:20:16.056 --> 00:20:18.375
Which is it does law enforcement defer to their,

821
00:20:18.576 --> 00:20:19.686
to their politicians or not?

822
00:20:19.755 --> 00:20:19.765
It,

823
00:20:19.895 --> 00:20:20.015
it,

824
00:20:20.135 --> 00:20:22.875
it depends with because ICE is an executive agency.

825
00:20:23.015 --> 00:20:23.176
They,

826
00:20:23.265 --> 00:20:23.576
they do,

827
00:20:23.776 --> 00:20:24.395
they do,

828
00:20:24.456 --> 00:20:27.056
and the police department in Minneapolis is under the Democrats.

829
00:20:27.135 --> 00:20:27.255
Yes,

830
00:20:27.456 --> 00:20:27.686
right.

831
00:20:27.855 --> 00:20:29.375
And we all agree that there's problems there,

832
00:20:29.456 --> 00:20:31.656
but they're criticized and often on the other end of,

833
00:20:31.765 --> 00:20:32.776
of left wing protesters.

834
00:20:32.855 --> 00:20:33.495
So for instance,

835
00:20:34.436 --> 00:20:36.536
the protest against ICE here in Los Angeles,

836
00:20:36.696 --> 00:20:37.855
it's usually against left wing.

837
00:20:37.936 --> 00:20:38.375
So what is it,

838
00:20:38.536 --> 00:20:39.416
left on left violence?

839
00:20:39.456 --> 00:20:40.215
Is that what you're claiming?

840
00:20:40.436 --> 00:20:40.456
You think,

841
00:20:40.725 --> 00:20:42.765
you think police protesting against,

842
00:20:42.776 --> 00:20:43.105
uh.

843
00:20:43.531 --> 00:20:45.781
Or committing violence against left wing protesters,

844
00:20:46.572 --> 00:20:48.052
that's left on left violence,

845
00:20:48.131 --> 00:20:48.572
really?

846
00:20:48.582 --> 00:20:48.592
Yes,

847
00:20:49.052 --> 00:20:49.572
I think that's,

848
00:20:49.651 --> 00:20:50.891
I think that's ridiculous and absurd.

849
00:20:51.281 --> 00:20:52.852
The police who live in these cities tend to tend,

850
00:20:52.972 --> 00:20:53.112
they,

851
00:20:53.171 --> 00:20:54.281
they tend to be more moderate,

852
00:20:54.401 --> 00:20:55.452
but they're not hard conservatives.

853
00:20:55.521 --> 00:20:58.482
But is the institution is the policing as an institution,

854
00:20:58.741 --> 00:21:00.702
particularly left wing institution in New York?

855
00:21:00.771 --> 00:21:00.881
Well,

856
00:21:00.972 --> 00:21:01.041
I,

857
00:21:01.092 --> 00:21:02.852
I define a left-wing institution.

858
00:21:03.052 --> 00:21:03.192
Exactly.

859
00:21:03.371 --> 00:21:04.401
What I would say is

860
00:21:05.092 --> 00:21:07.411
Democrat politicians are the ones appointing these police chiefs

861
00:21:07.411 --> 00:21:09.171
and these administrations who are enacting these policies.

862
00:21:09.332 --> 00:21:10.572
But are they so when you're voting for someone.

863
00:21:11.047 --> 00:21:11.287
One

864
00:21:11.567 --> 00:21:12.427
into office.

865
00:21:12.567 --> 00:21:13.958
This is not conservatives doing it.

866
00:21:14.008 --> 00:21:16.927
It's not mainstream right wingers putting in police that beat protesters.

867
00:21:17.047 --> 00:21:17.248
But who,

868
00:21:17.328 --> 00:21:20.708
but who politically supports the police as a matter of their

869
00:21:20.848 --> 00:21:22.088
rhetoric and ideology,

870
00:21:22.167 --> 00:21:23.057
the right or the left,

871
00:21:23.118 --> 00:21:23.317
right,

872
00:21:23.478 --> 00:21:23.807
but the right,

873
00:21:23.958 --> 00:21:25.277
the right doesn't live in these places,

874
00:21:25.378 --> 00:21:25.387
yeah,

875
00:21:25.608 --> 00:21:26.848
but nor do they appoint these people.

876
00:21:27.008 --> 00:21:27.088
Sure,

877
00:21:27.187 --> 00:21:27.447
but don't,

878
00:21:27.527 --> 00:21:29.208
don't tell me that ICE under Donald Trump,

879
00:21:29.277 --> 00:21:30.907
but not police under Democratic politicians.

880
00:21:30.998 --> 00:21:31.458
Hold on.

881
00:21:31.848 --> 00:21:33.027
The left doesn't appoint,

882
00:21:33.208 --> 00:21:35.348
also doesn't appoint protesters who commit

883
00:21:35.348 --> 00:21:37.287
random acts of violence against property.

884
00:21:37.397 --> 00:21:37.917
That's not my argument.

885
00:21:38.008 --> 00:21:38.167
I know,

886
00:21:38.208 --> 00:21:38.407
I know.

887
00:21:38.484 --> 00:21:41.163
But what you earlier you were making the case that

888
00:21:41.163 --> 00:21:44.354
it's the ideology that motivates what these rioters are doing,

889
00:21:44.364 --> 00:21:46.524
and that's the reason why the left is ultimately responsible.

890
00:21:47.193 --> 00:21:50.163
The underlying ideology is overlapping with the Democratic Party.

891
00:21:50.244 --> 00:21:50.404
Sure.

892
00:21:50.484 --> 00:21:52.854
And so what I'm saying is that if you want to be consistent,

893
00:21:52.943 --> 00:21:55.963
the underlying ideology that supports the police and as,

894
00:21:55.994 --> 00:21:57.063
as a matter of institution,

895
00:21:57.163 --> 00:21:59.923
and when the police are cracking down on left wing protesters,

896
00:22:00.163 --> 00:22:02.473
that's overwhelmingly on the side of conservatives,

897
00:22:02.524 --> 00:22:05.884
except they're not in very large in these places and you're applying a locality.

898
00:22:05.959 --> 00:22:06.579
To the nation,

899
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:07.640
they may not make sense.

900
00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:07.869
They,

901
00:22:07.959 --> 00:22:12.069
they may not be like technically in police in power are not motivated by the

902
00:22:12.410 --> 00:22:14.849
Republican Party to go out under a Democratic mayor to arrest protesters.

903
00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:16.109
The problem is that this,

904
00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:16.949
the police is still,

905
00:22:16.959 --> 00:22:20.400
as a matter of institution is more of a right wing institution than a left,

906
00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:20.689
certainly even,

907
00:22:20.760 --> 00:22:22.839
even on the other side of,

908
00:22:22.939 --> 00:22:25.719
but the point is a police officer who goes out in New York

909
00:22:25.719 --> 00:22:28.400
and arrests a protester does so at the best of a Democratic politician.

910
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:28.790
I,

911
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:29.060
I don't,

912
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:30.420
I don't think it's true.

913
00:22:30.650 --> 00:22:31.989
You've been voted out by the majority.

914
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:32.219
Please you.

915
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:36.849
Alright,

916
00:22:36.930 --> 00:22:38.250
if you'd like to be the next debater,

917
00:22:38.410 --> 00:22:41.810
please get to the chair in 321.

918
00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:45.760
What's up young man?

919
00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:46.369
Listen,

920
00:22:46.589 --> 00:22:47.310
oh yeah,

921
00:22:47.949 --> 00:22:49.030
I haven't been young for a minute.

922
00:22:49.270 --> 00:22:49.349
No,

923
00:22:49.420 --> 00:22:49.989
slow down with that.

924
00:22:50.069 --> 00:22:50.310
Listen,

925
00:22:50.349 --> 00:22:50.469
I think it's,

926
00:22:51.229 --> 00:22:51.430
it's,

927
00:22:51.459 --> 00:22:51.890
uh,

928
00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:53.229
really quick that I condemn,

929
00:22:53.310 --> 00:22:53.670
I condemn,

930
00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:55.189
I condemn is a really cheap cop out.

931
00:22:55.229 --> 00:22:55.930
That's not gonna work.

932
00:22:56.060 --> 00:22:59.589
It's because the people around us are not low IQ like your average viewer.

933
00:22:59.829 --> 00:23:00.849
It's important to recognize,

934
00:23:00.989 --> 00:23:01.589
make an argument.

935
00:23:01.709 --> 00:23:01.949
So I'm,

936
00:23:02.069 --> 00:23:02.630
I'm about to.

937
00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:03.329
You don't have one,

938
00:23:03.469 --> 00:23:03.939
is that it?

939
00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:04.390
If you want,

940
00:23:04.430 --> 00:23:05.069
you wanna be insults,

941
00:23:05.109 --> 00:23:06.030
we can go for insults and I'm just,

942
00:23:06.089 --> 00:23:06.540
I'm about to,

943
00:23:06.589 --> 00:23:07.130
we can wrap.

944
00:23:07.349 --> 00:23:08.229
I'm about to wrap.

945
00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:08.989
Stop delaying my time.

946
00:23:09.239 --> 00:23:12.380
So it's important to recognize that a simply I condemn is

947
00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:15.530
not sufficient when the Republican Party has created a permission structure

948
00:23:15.790 --> 00:23:17.969
for individuals to go out and do violence against,

949
00:23:18.069 --> 00:23:19.459
I'm about to tell you with impunity.

950
00:23:19.510 --> 00:23:21.479
Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a good example.

951
00:23:21.849 --> 00:23:21.910
Trump administration.

952
00:23:22.810 --> 00:23:23.390
The Trump,

953
00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:24.430
they electoral process,

954
00:23:24.569 --> 00:23:24.729
you know,

955
00:23:24.810 --> 00:23:26.329
they lost in the courts 10,000 times,

956
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:26.849
right?

957
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:27.449
That's not true.

958
00:23:27.609 --> 00:23:28.050
It is true.

959
00:23:28.510 --> 00:23:29.560
But actually released a report on it.

960
00:23:29.569 --> 00:23:29.680
Yeah,

961
00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:31.750
they lost 10,000 times it would be like 1000.

962
00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:33.469
They murdered numerous American citizens,

963
00:23:33.479 --> 00:23:35.489
and guess what happened to the individuals that carried out those killings?

964
00:23:35.569 --> 00:23:36.079
What happened to them?

965
00:23:36.209 --> 00:23:36.609
What happened to them?

966
00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:37.400
Have they been prosecuted?

967
00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:37.890
Any

968
00:23:38.040 --> 00:23:38.130
investigations,

969
00:23:38.209 --> 00:23:38.599
do you know?

970
00:23:38.849 --> 00:23:39.000
I,

971
00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:40.030
I believe they have not.

972
00:23:40.650 --> 00:23:41.030
Why?

973
00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:43.209
It's almost as if when you commit violence,

974
00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:43.729
you're wrong,

975
00:23:43.810 --> 00:23:45.229
you're going to be protected.

976
00:23:45.449 --> 00:23:46.130
That's what's going on.

977
00:23:46.209 --> 00:23:49.130
That's why Christine No went out and said that Alex Freddy was a domestic terrorist.

978
00:23:49.199 --> 00:23:50.660
That's why Stephen Miller said the same thing,

979
00:23:50.770 --> 00:23:52.290
and everybody in the entire Republican Party

980
00:23:52.290 --> 00:23:54.130
apparatus is echoing those talking points,

981
00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:55.280
because whenever there's violence,

982
00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:55.760
they,

983
00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:56.500
they don't condemn it.

984
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:57.439
They condone it.

985
00:23:57.609 --> 00:23:57.770
They,

986
00:23:57.890 --> 00:23:58.949
they congratulate it,

987
00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:59.729
and they pardon it.

988
00:23:59.969 --> 00:24:03.170
Law enforcement's duly elected by a by a population that voted in

989
00:24:03.170 --> 00:24:06.030
plurality for ICE to go out and engage in these behaviors citizens,

990
00:24:06.290 --> 00:24:06.810
which sometimes,

991
00:24:06.890 --> 00:24:07.010
yes,

992
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:07.630
absolutely.

993
00:24:07.810 --> 00:24:08.130
And oh,

994
00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:10.000
they voted for ICE to kill American citizens,

995
00:24:10.050 --> 00:24:10.329
really?

996
00:24:10.569 --> 00:24:10.890
Yes.

997
00:24:12.410 --> 00:24:12.640
Do you,

998
00:24:12.729 --> 00:24:12.920
do you,

999
00:24:13.010 --> 00:24:13.199
do you,

1000
00:24:13.290 --> 00:24:13.359
the,

1001
00:24:13.489 --> 00:24:14.250
the average Republican,

1002
00:24:14.329 --> 00:24:16.209
I don't think they're that who said the average Republican would vote,

1003
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:17.609
but do you not believe that there are people in

1004
00:24:17.609 --> 00:24:19.520
this country that would vote for ICE to harm people?

1005
00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:20.329
Is that your,

1006
00:24:20.530 --> 00:24:21.290
is this your argument?

1007
00:24:21.410 --> 00:24:22.790
Do you believe this is terrible.

1008
00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:26.810
So you think not a single person in this country wants to harm illegal irrelevance.

1009
00:24:26.969 --> 00:24:28.050
We're talking about the fact that there is

1010
00:24:28.050 --> 00:24:30.709
a top-down approach by Republicans like Donald Trump.

1011
00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:31.849
Can I ask you the question again?

1012
00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:32.609
Can you?

1013
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.229
Can you answer the question and allow it to happen,

1014
00:24:34.369 --> 00:24:35.250
foment violence in.

1015
00:24:35.349 --> 00:24:35.619
Can you,

1016
00:24:35.719 --> 00:24:36.989
can you answer you're running cover for it.

1017
00:24:37.150 --> 00:24:38.219
Can you can you actually,

1018
00:24:38.270 --> 00:24:38.790
you just did.

1019
00:24:38.949 --> 00:24:39.030
No,

1020
00:24:39.069 --> 00:24:39.380
I didn't.

1021
00:24:39.550 --> 00:24:39.630
See,

1022
00:24:39.689 --> 00:24:39.969
I'm,

1023
00:24:40.229 --> 00:24:41.510
I'm pointing at ICE violence.

1024
00:24:41.550 --> 00:24:43.040
You're saying that people vote for it or whatever.

1025
00:24:43.229 --> 00:24:44.709
You don't think that there are white supremacists

1026
00:24:44.709 --> 00:24:46.589
voting for ICE to go and harm migrants.

1027
00:24:46.739 --> 00:24:48.339
Are you saying that white supremacists voted for

1028
00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:49.790
Donald Trump so they could kill migrants?

1029
00:24:49.869 --> 00:24:50.020
Yes,

1030
00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:50.449
I am.

1031
00:24:51.540 --> 00:24:51.709
OK,

1032
00:24:51.810 --> 00:24:53.270
good to know that white supremacists make up part of

1033
00:24:53.270 --> 00:24:55.050
the Republican Party and Donald Trump's doing their bidding.

1034
00:24:55.430 --> 00:24:55.520
Yes,

1035
00:24:55.630 --> 00:24:55.709
I,

1036
00:24:56.030 --> 00:24:56.109
I,

1037
00:24:56.229 --> 00:24:57.489
I certainly believe they do.

1038
00:24:57.650 --> 00:24:57.660
OK.

1039
00:24:58.310 --> 00:25:01.189
The initial claim that I'm making is that there is absolutely violence on the right.

1040
00:25:01.270 --> 00:25:02.699
I already agree with one of the previous debaters

1041
00:25:02.699 --> 00:25:05.260
that there's institutional violence from the right as well.

1042
00:25:05.469 --> 00:25:06.910
The best argument against my.

1043
00:25:07.255 --> 00:25:09.594
actually is that the right when they get levers of power,

1044
00:25:09.775 --> 00:25:11.275
will use law enforcement

1045
00:25:11.415 --> 00:25:14.324
as their as their vehicle for the violence that they want to engage in.

1046
00:25:14.655 --> 00:25:15.915
Those things are all fair.

1047
00:25:16.334 --> 00:25:18.854
My point is that we are not seeing a nice long drawn out concession.

1048
00:25:18.964 --> 00:25:19.484
Thank you for,

1049
00:25:19.564 --> 00:25:21.405
but it's not a concession because maybe,

1050
00:25:21.494 --> 00:25:22.395
maybe we agree.

1051
00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:23.339
Oh,

1052
00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:23.880
OK.

1053
00:25:24.219 --> 00:25:24.260
See,

1054
00:25:24.339 --> 00:25:24.459
I,

1055
00:25:24.540 --> 00:25:24.609
I,

1056
00:25:24.699 --> 00:25:24.839
I think,

1057
00:25:25.010 --> 00:25:26.219
didn't you say the modern political left

1058
00:25:26.219 --> 00:25:27.619
commits more violence than modern political right?

1059
00:25:27.699 --> 00:25:29.239
So now you're saying just because

1060
00:25:29.459 --> 00:25:33.130
there are riots coming from the left does not mean they're morally right

1061
00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:35.650
or wrong or does not mean the right is better or worse.

1062
00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:38.300
This is a statement about volume of violence that

1063
00:25:38.300 --> 00:25:40.599
we see and a meaningful issue to a voter

1064
00:25:40.819 --> 00:25:43.839
as to what is the underlying motivation that we see pushing

1065
00:25:44.089 --> 00:25:45.099
violence in this country.

1066
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.680
So when you have ICE going out and engaging in these actions,

1067
00:25:48.729 --> 00:25:51.839
this is like a Clarence Thomas level of interpretation with that prompt.

1068
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:52.500
That is not what I,

1069
00:25:52.520 --> 00:25:52.630
I,

1070
00:25:52.689 --> 00:25:53.560
I don't know why you're trying so hard

1071
00:25:53.560 --> 00:25:55.459
to disagree when we actually have common ground.

1072
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:56.319
Pause,

1073
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.859
we are out of time.

1074
00:25:58.739 --> 00:25:59.660
Thank you.

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My next surrounded claim is that the Democratic Party

1107
00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:16.800
has embraced authoritarianism.

1108
00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:18.739
If you'd like to be the first debater,

1109
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:22.500
please get to the chair in 321.

1110
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:24.900
Uh,

1111
00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:25.800
that was fast.

1112
00:27:26.199 --> 00:27:26.839
Nice to meet you.

1113
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.150
Let's start off not by,

1114
00:27:28.199 --> 00:27:28.520
oh God,

1115
00:27:28.630 --> 00:27:29.880
don't make me defend Republicans,

1116
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.250
but let's,

1117
00:27:30.310 --> 00:27:30.589
let's go.

1118
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:30.959
Let's go.

1119
00:27:31.109 --> 00:27:31.400
All right,

1120
00:27:31.479 --> 00:27:33.310
let's talk about authoritarianism.

1121
00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:35.579
What does an authoritarian government do?

1122
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:36.680
So it's typically,

1123
00:27:36.790 --> 00:27:36.839
and,

1124
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.790
and particularly in my claim,

1125
00:27:37.819 --> 00:27:39.349
it's a reference to suppression of dissent,

1126
00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:40.540
suppression of speech,

1127
00:27:40.709 --> 00:27:40.880
uh,

1128
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.910
control of voting or manipulation of voting for the power,

1129
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:44.449
uh,

1130
00:27:44.510 --> 00:27:44.550
uh,

1131
00:27:44.560 --> 00:27:44.910
for the,

1132
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:45.699
uh,

1133
00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:46.790
let's just call it,

1134
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:47.040
uh,

1135
00:27:47.439 --> 00:27:50.880
control by a particular group of politically or claims one at a time,

1136
00:27:50.979 --> 00:27:50.989
yeah,

1137
00:27:51.239 --> 00:27:52.239
first on suppression of.

1138
00:27:52.364 --> 00:27:54.895
Speech indeed just a few hours ago today,

1139
00:27:55.084 --> 00:27:56.584
Trump subpoenaed reporters

1140
00:27:56.765 --> 00:27:59.925
for trying to report accurate information on the war in Iran.

1141
00:28:00.314 --> 00:28:00.765
He said no,

1142
00:28:00.964 --> 00:28:01.724
that can't happen.

1143
00:28:01.885 --> 00:28:02.244
Awful.

1144
00:28:02.484 --> 00:28:05.165
That's way more authoritarian than what we're seeing on the left here.

1145
00:28:05.334 --> 00:28:05.484
Well,

1146
00:28:05.564 --> 00:28:05.824
I mean,

1147
00:28:05.984 --> 00:28:06.584
if it's,

1148
00:28:06.604 --> 00:28:08.844
it's hard to quantify what is more or less authoritarian,

1149
00:28:08.885 --> 00:28:12.505
but certainly bad when when President Trump is trying to stifle speech.

1150
00:28:12.724 --> 00:28:12.844
Wait,

1151
00:28:12.935 --> 00:28:13.135
can you,

1152
00:28:13.145 --> 00:28:16.405
do you want any example of Biden doing anything even comparable to that?

1153
00:28:16.604 --> 00:28:16.885
I can.

1154
00:28:16.964 --> 00:28:18.204
We can start with Alex Berenson,

1155
00:28:18.244 --> 00:28:20.084
who is currently in a lawsuit because the Biden.

1156
00:28:20.300 --> 00:28:22.310
Administration personally went to social media platforms

1157
00:28:22.530 --> 00:28:24.469
using his name to be suspended

1158
00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:28.170
for his reporting on COVID vaccination and and and mandates.

1159
00:28:28.489 --> 00:28:28.910
OK,

1160
00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:30.260
at a top level though,

1161
00:28:30.449 --> 00:28:32.930
who's doing the majority of the like

1162
00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:34.650
actual suppression of speech here?

1163
00:28:34.810 --> 00:28:34.930
I,

1164
00:28:34.969 --> 00:28:35.189
I,

1165
00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:37.030
I don't really have good words for the Republican Party,

1166
00:28:37.050 --> 00:28:37.569
to be honest.

1167
00:28:37.770 --> 00:28:37.880
My,

1168
00:28:37.930 --> 00:28:38.089
my,

1169
00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:39.400
my issue with this debate is,

1170
00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:41.369
is in fact what we're seeing right now is that

1171
00:28:41.569 --> 00:28:44.359
I'll make a claim about the Democratic Party which has done awful things,

1172
00:28:44.369 --> 00:28:45.170
and the immediate response is,

1173
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.270
but the Republicans,

1174
00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:47.410
and I don't like Republicans.

1175
00:28:47.439 --> 00:28:47.930
Here's the thing.

1176
00:28:48.285 --> 00:28:50.015
We live in a two party system,

1177
00:28:50.375 --> 00:28:50.724
right?

1178
00:28:50.775 --> 00:28:52.375
We can have this great grift of like,

1179
00:28:52.484 --> 00:28:52.944
oh

1180
00:28:53.094 --> 00:28:53.375
well,

1181
00:28:53.454 --> 00:28:55.135
the Democrats are bad,

1182
00:28:55.214 --> 00:28:56.084
but we can,

1183
00:28:56.255 --> 00:28:56.814
and the Republicans,

1184
00:28:56.854 --> 00:28:57.594
they might be worse,

1185
00:28:57.685 --> 00:28:58.935
but the Democrats are still bad.

1186
00:28:59.175 --> 00:29:01.204
But the option is between Democrats and Republicans.

1187
00:29:01.694 --> 00:29:03.175
So if Republicans are worse,

1188
00:29:03.255 --> 00:29:05.694
it doesn't really matter if Democrats are slightly bad.

1189
00:29:05.895 --> 00:29:05.915
But

1190
00:29:07.275 --> 00:29:08.625
I think we don't love Democrats,

1191
00:29:08.885 --> 00:29:11.214
but we feel that Republicans are way worse

1192
00:29:11.214 --> 00:29:13.854
when they institute these far more authoritarian policies.

1193
00:29:14.285 --> 00:29:14.415
It's,

1194
00:29:14.454 --> 00:29:15.444
it's hard to quantify more.

1195
00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:17.619
And the question is,

1196
00:29:17.739 --> 00:29:18.650
does it suppress speech,

1197
00:29:18.699 --> 00:29:20.500
and I certainly think Donald Trump has taken actions.

1198
00:29:20.699 --> 00:29:21.369
There was a human,

1199
00:29:21.780 --> 00:29:22.689
let's look at human lives.

1200
00:29:22.739 --> 00:29:24.609
If we want to do like a quantification here,

1201
00:29:24.739 --> 00:29:25.500
let's look at ICE.

1202
00:29:25.689 --> 00:29:28.160
3 American citizens have been killed by ICE.

1203
00:29:28.530 --> 00:29:30.260
That's way more than the number of

1204
00:29:30.260 --> 00:29:32.579
American citizens killed by immigration enforcement under,

1205
00:29:32.689 --> 00:29:32.780
say,

1206
00:29:32.939 --> 00:29:33.219
Obama,

1207
00:29:33.380 --> 00:29:36.619
but it's way less than the amount of American citizens killed by Barack Obama.

1208
00:29:36.939 --> 00:29:37.250
No,

1209
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:38.380
it is true.

1210
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:38.780
Yes,

1211
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:39.219
it is.

1212
00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:39.739
OK.

1213
00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:40.140
Well,

1214
00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:40.540
look,

1215
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:40.699
look,

1216
00:29:40.780 --> 00:29:40.819
I,

1217
00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:40.939
I,

1218
00:29:41.030 --> 00:29:41.900
I don't want to be disrespectful,

1219
00:29:41.979 --> 00:29:42.209
but,

1220
00:29:42.219 --> 00:29:42.260
um,

1221
00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:42.530
one of,

1222
00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:43.619
one of the biggest issues to me.

1223
00:29:43.785 --> 00:29:45.944
The extrajudicial assassination of Abdul Rahman

1224
00:29:45.944 --> 00:29:47.685
al-Awlaki by the Obama administration,

1225
00:29:47.864 --> 00:29:49.885
and this is what early on in my life

1226
00:29:50.064 --> 00:29:51.305
when I was very anti-war,

1227
00:29:51.375 --> 00:29:51.744
very lefty,

1228
00:29:51.905 --> 00:29:52.685
still anti-war,

1229
00:29:52.864 --> 00:29:54.385
and voted for Barack Obama,

1230
00:29:54.425 --> 00:29:56.005
and then he murdered in favor of the war in Iran.

1231
00:29:56.104 --> 00:29:56.704
Absolutely not.

1232
00:29:56.935 --> 00:29:58.944
And Barack Obama killed a sixteen-year-old American citizen

1233
00:29:58.944 --> 00:30:00.425
who was at a civilian restaurant in Yemen.

1234
00:30:00.574 --> 00:30:00.905
We can.

1235
00:30:01.035 --> 00:30:01.545
These are all bad things.

1236
00:30:02.165 --> 00:30:02.464
We can be like,

1237
00:30:02.505 --> 00:30:02.905
oh well,

1238
00:30:02.974 --> 00:30:04.265
both parties are pretty bad,

1239
00:30:04.505 --> 00:30:05.614
but like we have to,

1240
00:30:05.665 --> 00:30:06.864
when they go to the ballot office,

1241
00:30:06.944 --> 00:30:08.665
when I go to the ballot office as a voter,

1242
00:30:08.864 --> 00:30:10.385
I have to actually put in a vote.

1243
00:30:10.444 --> 00:30:11.464
I have to decide Democrat.

1244
00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:14.699
A Republican or throw my vote away and vote for some third party,

1245
00:30:14.939 --> 00:30:15.709
libertarian.

1246
00:30:16.229 --> 00:30:18.550
If I'm picking between those and there's one candidate

1247
00:30:18.550 --> 00:30:20.250
who just brought us into a war in Iran,

1248
00:30:20.550 --> 00:30:22.030
is causing this massive conflict,

1249
00:30:22.229 --> 00:30:23.339
tons of human suffering,

1250
00:30:23.550 --> 00:30:24.229
that's foreign.

1251
00:30:24.390 --> 00:30:25.209
That's foreign policy.

1252
00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:26.150
Domestically,

1253
00:30:26.270 --> 00:30:28.469
we see ICE attacks on American citizens.

1254
00:30:28.540 --> 00:30:33.689
We see 56 people dying in ICE detention camps in just a singular year.

1255
00:30:33.829 --> 00:30:35.109
You compare that to under Obama,

1256
00:30:35.189 --> 00:30:36.300
the deporter in chief.

1257
00:30:36.469 --> 00:30:37.670
Across 8 years,

1258
00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:39.229
52 people died.

1259
00:30:39.515 --> 00:30:39.834
Way,

1260
00:30:39.994 --> 00:30:40.194
way,

1261
00:30:40.354 --> 00:30:41.055
way fewer.

1262
00:30:41.275 --> 00:30:43.594
What we're seeing is dangerous conditions domestically.

1263
00:30:43.875 --> 00:30:44.994
Way more people are dying,

1264
00:30:45.194 --> 00:30:45.314
right?

1265
00:30:45.385 --> 00:30:47.635
We have a lot of this like qualitative discussion.

1266
00:30:47.834 --> 00:30:49.314
You bring up a lot of anecdotes,

1267
00:30:49.474 --> 00:30:51.714
but if you actually like quantify the number of

1268
00:30:51.714 --> 00:30:54.055
deaths that are occurring through these authoritarian mechanisms,

1269
00:30:54.114 --> 00:30:54.675
it's very,

1270
00:30:54.795 --> 00:30:56.224
very clear that when I vote,

1271
00:30:56.314 --> 00:30:58.875
I'm choosing the lesser of two evils and voting Democrat.

1272
00:30:58.964 --> 00:30:59.234
Let's talk,

1273
00:30:59.314 --> 00:31:01.035
let's talk about a few structures of authoritarianism.

1274
00:31:01.255 --> 00:31:01.265
Uh,

1275
00:31:01.474 --> 00:31:01.535
we'll,

1276
00:31:01.635 --> 00:31:03.175
we'll go with 2016,

1277
00:31:03.474 --> 00:31:05.584
and you brought up Donald Trump subpoenaing these journalists,

1278
00:31:05.675 --> 00:31:06.155
so we'll get,

1279
00:31:06.224 --> 00:31:07.155
we'll get broad on this one.

1280
00:31:07.420 --> 00:31:08.099
In 2016,

1281
00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:10.209
Gizmodo published an article that Facebook had been,

1282
00:31:10.300 --> 00:31:12.969
had been suppressing news and information from conservative outlets.

1283
00:31:13.260 --> 00:31:13.939
This is Gizmodo.

1284
00:31:14.020 --> 00:31:14.829
They're a progressive outlet.

1285
00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:15.060
In fact,

1286
00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:16.479
I worked for the company that owned them,

1287
00:31:16.489 --> 00:31:17.170
and I,

1288
00:31:17.260 --> 00:31:18.859
I was a Bernie supporter in 2016.

1289
00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:22.430
And so agreeing with this reporting and knowing the reporters behind it,

1290
00:31:22.510 --> 00:31:23.430
I reported this.

1291
00:31:23.780 --> 00:31:24.660
NBC News,

1292
00:31:24.750 --> 00:31:26.430
all of these major institutions then claimed

1293
00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:28.369
I was a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

1294
00:31:28.810 --> 00:31:29.449
Let me finish,

1295
00:31:29.630 --> 00:31:29.750
for,

1296
00:31:29.869 --> 00:31:29.989
for,

1297
00:31:30.189 --> 00:31:32.729
for claiming that these things were happening that they reported on.

1298
00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:34.380
Then what we learned is that

1299
00:31:34.550 --> 00:31:34.920
under,

1300
00:31:35.030 --> 00:31:35.530
under

1301
00:31:35.750 --> 00:31:36.170
Obama,

1302
00:31:36.349 --> 00:31:37.530
under Obama and under Biden,

1303
00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:38.189
and don't get me wrong,

1304
00:31:38.270 --> 00:31:39.250
this was under Trump as well,

1305
00:31:39.670 --> 00:31:41.260
there was an active effort from the FBI.

1306
00:31:41.300 --> 00:31:41.400
They,

1307
00:31:41.469 --> 00:31:43.849
they were given a backdoor access to Twitter and Facebook

1308
00:31:44.030 --> 00:31:44.709
to remove.

1309
00:31:44.816 --> 00:31:47.235
Content that they thought objectionable to the government

1310
00:31:47.336 --> 00:31:50.385
and it was not done at the behest of Trump or for his benefit,

1311
00:31:50.576 --> 00:31:53.255
but to the benefit of those who had been defending him in the press.

1312
00:31:53.495 --> 00:31:54.336
So notably myself,

1313
00:31:54.345 --> 00:31:56.676
who was calling out these censorship practice

1314
00:31:56.776 --> 00:31:57.365
practices.

1315
00:31:57.416 --> 00:31:59.975
I was falsely slandered and maligned by the media over this.

1316
00:32:00.456 --> 00:32:01.906
These are institutions.

1317
00:32:01.975 --> 00:32:03.495
Now when you say that Donald Trump is mad at them,

1318
00:32:03.536 --> 00:32:06.265
I agree subpoenaing journalists depending on the issue can be bad,

1319
00:32:06.416 --> 00:32:08.235
but to see that from Obama

1320
00:32:08.375 --> 00:32:09.576
through Trump and into Biden,

1321
00:32:09.936 --> 00:32:10.336
they were.

1322
00:32:10.761 --> 00:32:11.501
given access.

1323
00:32:11.722 --> 00:32:13.281
This is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

1324
00:32:13.562 --> 00:32:14.881
It's a violation of the 1st Amendment.

1325
00:32:14.911 --> 00:32:16.602
We're missing something really important.

1326
00:32:16.802 --> 00:32:18.562
We're lumping together all of these different

1327
00:32:18.562 --> 00:32:20.041
types of sort of suppression of speech,

1328
00:32:20.202 --> 00:32:21.521
but there's a fundamental difference.

1329
00:32:21.682 --> 00:32:24.322
When we see like left-leaning suppression of speech,

1330
00:32:24.442 --> 00:32:26.462
often that happens from like a bottom up,

1331
00:32:26.521 --> 00:32:28.462
where you see what I'm taking an action.

1332
00:32:28.562 --> 00:32:28.641
No,

1333
00:32:28.682 --> 00:32:30.781
I gave you a specific example of the Biden

1334
00:32:30.781 --> 00:32:32.641
administration going to a major big tech company,

1335
00:32:32.881 --> 00:32:36.041
giving them specific instructions to remove people who are saying not.

1336
00:32:36.147 --> 00:32:37.907
We saw that in the context of COVID,

1337
00:32:38.027 --> 00:32:39.748
where vaccinations was really,

1338
00:32:39.828 --> 00:32:40.108
really important.

1339
00:32:40.187 --> 00:32:40.267
In fact,

1340
00:32:40.348 --> 00:32:43.147
800,000 lives were saved by vaccines.

1341
00:32:43.307 --> 00:32:44.017
We have a really strong,

1342
00:32:44.108 --> 00:32:47.147
you can give me every reason for why you want to be an authoritarian.

1343
00:32:47.228 --> 00:32:48.108
They always have a reason,

1344
00:32:48.147 --> 00:32:49.258
and saving lives is always wonderful.

1345
00:32:49.378 --> 00:32:51.937
There's a fundamental difference between suppressing free speech on,

1346
00:32:52.387 --> 00:32:52.547
say,

1347
00:32:52.628 --> 00:32:53.468
the war in Iran,

1348
00:32:53.478 --> 00:32:56.248
where there's really bad stuff going on and we need to talk about it,

1349
00:32:56.458 --> 00:32:56.947
and say,

1350
00:32:57.057 --> 00:32:58.508
spreading vaccine misinformation.

1351
00:32:58.748 --> 00:33:01.667
In the US we've had really long moral versus.

1352
00:33:01.813 --> 00:33:03.213
Differences of importance and that's fine.

1353
00:33:03.343 --> 00:33:04.973
Clear and present danger test but we're

1354
00:33:04.973 --> 00:33:07.813
talking about authoritarianism has many different reasons.

1355
00:33:07.894 --> 00:33:08.354
Did you think

1356
00:33:08.654 --> 00:33:11.014
that all the tyrants of the world never gave a reason as to why they,

1357
00:33:11.053 --> 00:33:12.134
they needed absolute authority?

1358
00:33:12.213 --> 00:33:12.874
They always did,

1359
00:33:12.894 --> 00:33:13.644
and they always do.

1360
00:33:13.774 --> 00:33:15.963
And even today it's the case whether it's Trump or anybody else.

1361
00:33:16.173 --> 00:33:17.994
So when Biden's administration said,

1362
00:33:18.254 --> 00:33:19.774
because COVID misinformation kills,

1363
00:33:19.973 --> 00:33:21.134
we will silence you,

1364
00:33:21.254 --> 00:33:22.293
that's authoritarianism.

1365
00:33:22.453 --> 00:33:23.894
You can argue that you agree with it,

1366
00:33:23.973 --> 00:33:25.413
but it still is authoritarianism.

1367
00:33:25.614 --> 00:33:27.374
How about we can use Cuomo in New York as an example.

1368
00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:30.619
He shut down churches in violation of the First Amendment,

1369
00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:32.040
and when he was sued and lost,

1370
00:33:32.199 --> 00:33:34.420
he issued a secondary executive order changing

1371
00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:36.619
the words to keep the churches closed.

1372
00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:38.140
That is authoritarianism.

1373
00:33:38.189 --> 00:33:38.640
And you,

1374
00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:40.859
you right now defending it is my point.

1375
00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:43.920
I have no problem saying Trump should not go after journalists,

1376
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.780
but you seem to have a problem saying that the Democratic

1377
00:33:46.780 --> 00:33:48.630
administrations should not be doing what they're doing as well.

1378
00:33:48.719 --> 00:33:48.839
OK,

1379
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:49.319
pause,

1380
00:33:49.439 --> 00:33:49.880
pause.

1381
00:33:49.939 --> 00:33:51.280
You've been voted out by the majority.

1382
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:52.239
Please return to your seat.

1383
00:33:52.479 --> 00:33:52.560
Yeah,

1384
00:33:52.569 --> 00:33:52.579
yeah,

1385
00:33:52.589 --> 00:33:52.599
yeah.

1386
00:33:56.030 --> 00:33:57.400
If you'd like to be the next debater,

1387
00:33:57.560 --> 00:34:01.020
please get to the chair in 321.

1388
00:34:03.229 --> 00:34:03.839
Long distance from back.

1389
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:05.010
You made it.

1390
00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:06.170
I'm surprised you made it.

1391
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:12.290
So one of the key parts about authoritarianism is influence over elections,

1392
00:34:12.540 --> 00:34:17.010
and we've seen that throughout the history of right wing and left wing,

1393
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:18.399
the right wing

1394
00:34:18.580 --> 00:34:21.580
side of this country has constantly been election deniers.

1395
00:34:21.899 --> 00:34:22.418
Famously,

1396
00:34:22.449 --> 00:34:26.010
Trump tried to find votes in Georgia to win the 2020 election,

1397
00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.560
and now we're seeing that they're claiming voter fraud

1398
00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:30.780
in the city of Los Angeles mayor's race.

1399
00:34:30.850 --> 00:34:30.860
Well,

1400
00:34:30.938 --> 00:34:31.620
can I ask you a question?

1401
00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:32.250
Uh,

1402
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:32.719
how many,

1403
00:34:32.899 --> 00:34:33.199
uh,

1404
00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:33.330
uh,

1405
00:34:33.418 --> 00:34:36.080
how many presidential elections in the last 20 years were denied by Democrats?

1406
00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:38.418
Were denied by Democrats.

1407
00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:38.540
Yes,

1408
00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:40.800
but mainstream members of Congress going on the floor,

1409
00:34:40.938 --> 00:34:41.610
rejecting it.

1410
00:34:41.860 --> 00:34:42.110
None,

1411
00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:42.860
all of them.

1412
00:34:44.509 --> 00:34:49.299
Do you see the Democratic Party trying to create an alternate slate of electors

1413
00:34:49.478 --> 00:34:52.549
to actually try and overturn a democratically elected,

1414
00:34:52.708 --> 00:34:53.438
certainly a different argument,

1415
00:34:53.518 --> 00:34:53.839
but no,

1416
00:34:53.978 --> 00:34:53.989
that,

1417
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:54.589
that was in,

1418
00:34:54.628 --> 00:34:54.789
uh,

1419
00:34:54.799 --> 00:34:54.878
I,

1420
00:34:54.958 --> 00:34:56.408
I think that would have been 1960,

1421
00:34:56.478 --> 00:34:56.728
but.

1422
00:34:57.020 --> 00:34:58.350
Certainly not in the last 20 years.

1423
00:34:58.469 --> 00:34:58.969
So,

1424
00:34:59.020 --> 00:34:59.179
uh,

1425
00:34:59.189 --> 00:35:03.389
we can completely agree Trump's efforts in 2020 were substantially different

1426
00:35:03.629 --> 00:35:03.879
from,

1427
00:35:03.989 --> 00:35:04.120
say,

1428
00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:06.310
a handful of members of Congress and high profile

1429
00:35:06.310 --> 00:35:08.510
personalities coming out and saying the election is illegitimate.

1430
00:35:08.669 --> 00:35:09.469
But I will say,

1431
00:35:09.669 --> 00:35:11.340
while it is not particularly mainstream,

1432
00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:11.500
there,

1433
00:35:11.629 --> 00:35:13.389
there actively are groups across social media

1434
00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:14.590
that believe the election was stolen,

1435
00:35:14.629 --> 00:35:16.330
just go on threads for for a few minutes.

1436
00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:17.100
threads.

1437
00:35:17.110 --> 00:35:18.350
You will see tons of.

1438
00:35:18.405 --> 00:35:20.175
Progressives arguing the election was stolen.

1439
00:35:20.495 --> 00:35:21.245
Tons of bots,

1440
00:35:21.304 --> 00:35:21.534
you know,

1441
00:35:21.645 --> 00:35:22.114
I'm really,

1442
00:35:22.245 --> 00:35:23.205
you don't think the internet,

1443
00:35:23.215 --> 00:35:23.604
theory.

1444
00:35:24.205 --> 00:35:24.965
I agree with the

1445
00:35:25.114 --> 00:35:25.604
theory actually.

1446
00:35:25.764 --> 00:35:26.074
So,

1447
00:35:26.514 --> 00:35:26.685
so look,

1448
00:35:26.804 --> 00:35:26.875
but,

1449
00:35:26.965 --> 00:35:27.044
but,

1450
00:35:27.125 --> 00:35:29.844
so then if you're talking about the right or to the left overall again,

1451
00:35:29.925 --> 00:35:31.794
we are talking about the overall picture here.

1452
00:35:32.084 --> 00:35:33.604
Where is the majority of this coming from?

1453
00:35:33.715 --> 00:35:33.725
Well,

1454
00:35:33.764 --> 00:35:33.925
let me,

1455
00:35:33.985 --> 00:35:34.524
let me ask you a question.

1456
00:35:34.564 --> 00:35:35.544
You mentioned California.

1457
00:35:36.205 --> 00:35:36.554
Uh,

1458
00:35:36.685 --> 00:35:37.564
I wanna ask you a question.

1459
00:35:37.685 --> 00:35:37.885
Uh,

1460
00:35:38.004 --> 00:35:38.205
let's,

1461
00:35:38.274 --> 00:35:39.864
let's say there's an election that takes place

1462
00:35:40.205 --> 00:35:42.844
and a ballot comes in 3 days after that election.

1463
00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.120
It's signed with a picture of Mickey Mouse,

1464
00:35:45.189 --> 00:35:46.260
and it's hand dated.

1465
00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:48.229
Do you think that is a real vote?

1466
00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:49.000
So guess what?

1467
00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:49.840
In California,

1468
00:35:49.919 --> 00:35:51.280
when you don't have a correct signature,

1469
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.179
you can do this thing called ballot hearing,

1470
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.040
where you take that ballot back to the voter and you say,

1471
00:35:55.120 --> 00:35:55.949
is this really you?

1472
00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.610
And you have to get that signature again.

1473
00:35:57.989 --> 00:35:58.360
And that.

1474
00:35:58.554 --> 00:36:00.635
I don't think they registered with the Mickey Mouse signature.

1475
00:36:00.715 --> 00:36:00.814
Well,

1476
00:36:00.875 --> 00:36:02.195
that's actually legal in California.

1477
00:36:02.235 --> 00:36:02.475
In fact,

1478
00:36:02.554 --> 00:36:02.754
the,

1479
00:36:02.834 --> 00:36:03.705
the example given,

1480
00:36:03.794 --> 00:36:04.215
I think,

1481
00:36:04.314 --> 00:36:06.695
in Santa Barbara is a Kirby Starr image.

1482
00:36:06.995 --> 00:36:07.695
Now the challenge,

1483
00:36:07.715 --> 00:36:07.895
uh,

1484
00:36:07.905 --> 00:36:08.635
with this is,

1485
00:36:08.745 --> 00:36:08.834
and,

1486
00:36:08.844 --> 00:36:11.034
and that's why I'm not a fan of the fraud argument from Republicans.

1487
00:36:11.114 --> 00:36:11.435
I just stop,

1488
00:36:11.534 --> 00:36:12.235
stop saying fraud.

1489
00:36:12.274 --> 00:36:13.725
This is legal in California.

1490
00:36:14.034 --> 00:36:14.715
In California,

1491
00:36:14.754 --> 00:36:17.415
you can draw a picture of Kirby Starr in any manifestation.

1492
00:36:17.635 --> 00:36:19.195
Now the problem is signatures are supposed to

1493
00:36:19.195 --> 00:36:20.544
be unique to an individual because they're,

1494
00:36:20.794 --> 00:36:21.034
they're,

1495
00:36:21.235 --> 00:36:22.274
they would be falsifiable,

1496
00:36:22.475 --> 00:36:23.945
meaning I've never seen your signature before.

1497
00:36:24.074 --> 00:36:24.834
How can I match it?

1498
00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:26.139
But if you sign,

1499
00:36:26.310 --> 00:36:26.379
uh,

1500
00:36:26.429 --> 00:36:27.090
if you sign up,

1501
00:36:27.350 --> 00:36:28.949
if register to vote with a picture of Kirby,

1502
00:36:29.550 --> 00:36:31.070
anyone in the world can draw the picture of Kirby.

1503
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.110
So in California,

1504
00:36:32.189 --> 00:36:32.979
the challenge that I,

1505
00:36:33.169 --> 00:36:34.389
not everybody has the same name,

1506
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.590
the same Social Security.

1507
00:36:35.669 --> 00:36:35.879
I know,

1508
00:36:36.560 --> 00:36:37.260
but the point is,

1509
00:36:37.310 --> 00:36:39.229
if a ballot is received by a homeless shelter,

1510
00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:41.649
anyone can fill it out and draw a picture of Kirby Starr.

1511
00:36:42.149 --> 00:36:44.659
So there's a limited number of ballots that get sent to registered

1512
00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:47.989
voters who are registered with the state and universal mail-in voting.

1513
00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:48.649
And for instance,

1514
00:36:48.709 --> 00:36:50.229
there was a homeless shelter in Venice Beach that

1515
00:36:50.229 --> 00:36:52.489
received 185 mail-in votes despite no one living there.

1516
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.350
And so yes,

1517
00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:55.879
because people that live on the street have addresses registered

1518
00:36:55.879 --> 00:36:57.879
to shelters completely don't have anywhere else to get mail.

1519
00:36:57.919 --> 00:37:00.760
And so what we've already seen is undercover video

1520
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.439
showing that activists do go to places like Skid Row

1521
00:37:03.600 --> 00:37:05.560
and secure a voter registration

1522
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:06.750
where in one video,

1523
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.629
a man who's clearly not a woman says his name is Teresa.

1524
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:09.760
Sure,

1525
00:37:09.879 --> 00:37:10.580
he'll fill it out.

1526
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.479
Now the problem is that man will fill this out under the name Teresa.

1527
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:14.260
He will sign,

1528
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:15.040
he'll put an X,

1529
00:37:15.149 --> 00:37:15.479
a mark,

1530
00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:16.739
which is legal in California.

1531
00:37:16.959 --> 00:37:17.959
The other issue is that.

1532
00:37:18.040 --> 00:37:19.139
Ballots can be received,

1533
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:20.500
so it,

1534
00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:21.310
it gets complicated,

1535
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.399
but in California,

1536
00:37:22.520 --> 00:37:24.320
if a ballot is received before the election,

1537
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.389
it can be hand dated.

1538
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:26.879
If it's received after the election,

1539
00:37:26.919 --> 00:37:28.120
it has to be postdated.

1540
00:37:28.209 --> 00:37:28.629
However,

1541
00:37:28.870 --> 00:37:31.300
a ballot can only be rejected if two independent

1542
00:37:31.560 --> 00:37:33.459
independent officials can prove beyond a reasonable doubt

1543
00:37:33.459 --> 00:37:35.139
it has violated one of these tenants.

1544
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.750
So I do take issue with Republicans saying voter fraud,

1545
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.840
voter fraud all the time when it's legal to do this in California.

1546
00:37:41.120 --> 00:37:42.239
But I think if you go to a regular,

1547
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.199
a regular American and say.

1548
00:37:43.629 --> 00:37:44.590
You ask him this question,

1549
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.520
and I'll ask you this question.

1550
00:37:45.600 --> 00:37:47.560
How did Nitia Raman surpass Karen Bass,

1551
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.280
both Democrats in mail-in votes only after Election Day?

1552
00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:50.699
Because

1553
00:37:51.040 --> 00:37:53.620
young people vote later and Nita Raman won the young vote.

1554
00:37:53.919 --> 00:37:54.000
Well,

1555
00:37:54.100 --> 00:37:54.110
the,

1556
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.300
the,

1557
00:37:54.399 --> 00:37:57.340
the truth is that the DSA on their website advocates for ballot harvesting,

1558
00:37:57.399 --> 00:37:57.800
which is legal,

1559
00:37:57.879 --> 00:37:58.629
and they're allowed to do it,

1560
00:37:58.639 --> 00:37:59.139
and

1561
00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:00.000
more power to them.

1562
00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:00.560
It's very smart.

1563
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:01.389
So do the Republicans.

1564
00:38:01.439 --> 00:38:03.510
They go to security to senior centers all

1565
00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:05.100
across the country and we're gonna pause here.

1566
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.070
You've been voted out by the majority.

1567
00:38:07.479 --> 00:38:08.000
Good talking with you.

1568
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.520
If you'd like to be the next debater,

1569
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.080
please get to the chair in 321.

1570
00:38:18.229 --> 00:38:19.060
No contest

1571
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:19.919
likewise

1572
00:38:20.479 --> 00:38:22.580
elections as you were talking about the other person before,

1573
00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:23.719
I think are sacred.

1574
00:38:23.889 --> 00:38:25.600
I think elections are sacred

1575
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.320
and I believe that they are the most fundamental thing

1576
00:38:29.439 --> 00:38:30.919
to American values and democracy.

1577
00:38:31.459 --> 00:38:32.600
We have never seen.

1578
00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:34.320
Ever in American history,

1579
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:37.479
the attempt to subvert a free and fair election

1580
00:38:37.620 --> 00:38:40.810
compared to how Donald Trump and his cronies did on January 6th,

1581
00:38:41.020 --> 00:38:43.979
and I think that it's absolutely ridiculous to claim

1582
00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:46.159
that that is somehow comparable

1583
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:47.939
to the Biden administration,

1584
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:48.530
uh,

1585
00:38:48.540 --> 00:38:52.139
talking to Facebook and certain social media platforms to ban Donald Trump.

1586
00:38:52.504 --> 00:38:52.985
When

1587
00:38:53.425 --> 00:38:56.655
social media platforms have been under attack by Donald Trump as well,

1588
00:38:56.864 --> 00:39:00.344
we had in Florida how the right now chair of the RNC was,

1589
00:39:00.425 --> 00:39:01.205
is now,

1590
00:39:01.425 --> 00:39:01.655
uh,

1591
00:39:01.665 --> 00:39:02.445
pursuing

1592
00:39:02.864 --> 00:39:03.945
legal action

1593
00:39:04.504 --> 00:39:05.165
against,

1594
00:39:05.264 --> 00:39:05.705
uh,

1595
00:39:05.715 --> 00:39:06.155
Facebook,

1596
00:39:06.304 --> 00:39:06.635
Twitter,

1597
00:39:06.705 --> 00:39:07.145
etc.

1598
00:39:07.425 --> 00:39:08.665
for banning Donald Trump,

1599
00:39:08.824 --> 00:39:11.364
which was a decision that they made.

1600
00:39:11.860 --> 00:39:13.330
Without Biden's interference,

1601
00:39:13.419 --> 00:39:13.459
well,

1602
00:39:13.540 --> 00:39:13.570
I,

1603
00:39:13.689 --> 00:39:14.050
I don't think,

1604
00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:16.439
I don't think arguing like a civil litigation is a,

1605
00:39:16.770 --> 00:39:16.899
it's,

1606
00:39:16.979 --> 00:39:17.370
it's hard to,

1607
00:39:17.419 --> 00:39:19.560
it's hard to argue civil litigation as a big political issue.

1608
00:39:19.580 --> 00:39:19.709
If,

1609
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:20.179
if there was,

1610
00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:23.260
if there was a contract violation committed by a company and Trump wants to sue them.

1611
00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:24.939
Certainly if you have the opinion,

1612
00:39:24.979 --> 00:39:26.050
you don't believe that there's,

1613
00:39:26.260 --> 00:39:28.679
you believe there's malice there's the current RNC chair,

1614
00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:29.209
right,

1615
00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:29.340
right,

1616
00:39:29.419 --> 00:39:29.540
right.

1617
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:29.649
My,

1618
00:39:29.979 --> 00:39:30.030
my,

1619
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:33.360
my argument is pursuing like regulatory action against them

1620
00:39:33.540 --> 00:39:34.659
for banning Donald Trump,

1621
00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:34.939
right?

1622
00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:35.129
So,

1623
00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:36.439
so these are civil issues

1624
00:39:36.540 --> 00:39:37.699
and the challenge is,

1625
00:39:37.939 --> 00:39:38.739
I don't know the facts.

1626
00:39:38.780 --> 00:39:39.610
You don't know the facts.

1627
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:41.419
You don't think civil issues can be political.

1628
00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:42.100
They certainly can,

1629
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:43.479
but the point I'm making is that

1630
00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:47.100
sometimes companies do bad things and we need regulatory bodies to go after them.

1631
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.350
I'm I'm in favor of that.

1632
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:49.439
Now the question is,

1633
00:39:49.520 --> 00:39:50.830
are the Republicans bad for doing it?

1634
00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:51.129
Honestly,

1635
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.120
I don't know because I don't know the underlying issues of the case.

1636
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:53.669
Maybe they are,

1637
00:39:53.739 --> 00:39:54.189
maybe they're not.

1638
00:39:54.250 --> 00:39:55.239
So I'll bring up another instance.

1639
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:55.479
I mean,

1640
00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:56.270
in Massachusetts,

1641
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:56.889
for example,

1642
00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:59.439
we just had two Republicans who were

1643
00:39:59.439 --> 00:40:01.500
running for Attorney General and lieutenant governor

1644
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.300
who were literally faking signatures on their ballots up,

1645
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.600
literal dead people lock them who,

1646
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:07.870
and,

1647
00:40:07.919 --> 00:40:09.239
and if you look at the papers,

1648
00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:10.780
they're the same signature.

1649
00:40:10.939 --> 00:40:11.739
Down the ballot,

1650
00:40:11.899 --> 00:40:17.080
it's the same person this uh out this uh third party that they hired who was literally

1651
00:40:17.620 --> 00:40:19.879
didn't have the same exact handwriting

1652
00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:20.340
and they,

1653
00:40:20.379 --> 00:40:21.959
they tried like to lock them up

1654
00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:25.260
thousands of signatures across Massachusetts were

1655
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:26.729
then considered moot because they were

1656
00:40:26.729 --> 00:40:30.840
literal dead people from all across the state and those are two Republicans

1657
00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:31.820
and you have,

1658
00:40:31.899 --> 00:40:32.179
I mean,

1659
00:40:32.409 --> 00:40:34.370
there are countless instances of Republicans,

1660
00:40:34.379 --> 00:40:34.500
not.

1661
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.300
Donald Trump

1662
00:40:35.479 --> 00:40:37.520
trying to subvert American elections,

1663
00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:41.540
and I think that is one of the most authoritarian things that anybody

1664
00:40:41.540 --> 00:40:44.360
in this country can do is to subvert the free and fair elections.

1665
00:40:44.750 --> 00:40:44.870
United States,

1666
00:40:45.149 --> 00:40:47.419
I think certainly that we have a problem with

1667
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:48.209
two,

1668
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.379
ancient political parties.

1669
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:51.280
I think the real,

1670
00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:52.360
the real big picture is here,

1671
00:40:52.439 --> 00:40:52.719
and I'm not,

1672
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.139
and I'm not saying this to dismiss your,

1673
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:54.389
uh,

1674
00:40:54.479 --> 00:40:54.629
your,

1675
00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:54.959
your,

1676
00:40:55.080 --> 00:40:55.360
your,

1677
00:40:55.560 --> 00:40:56.719
your anger over what these Republicans did.

1678
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:56.949
That's,

1679
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.199
you're certainly warranted to believe that.

1680
00:40:58.580 --> 00:40:58.699
Uh,

1681
00:40:58.750 --> 00:40:59.020
I agree.

1682
00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:00.389
I think they should go to jail for that stuff.

1683
00:41:00.629 --> 00:41:02.949
The problem is both political parties are playing this,

1684
00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:06.729
this procedural game of trying to steal elections through the pop procedure

1685
00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:07.820
instead of convincing people.

1686
00:41:07.870 --> 00:41:10.550
The Republicans are redistricting in all of these different

1687
00:41:10.550 --> 00:41:12.570
states to give themselves January 6th was procedure.

1688
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:13.399
I'm not,

1689
00:41:13.479 --> 00:41:13.600
I'm,

1690
00:41:13.709 --> 00:41:13.909
I'm,

1691
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.060
I'm talking right now about

1692
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.199
both parties and,

1693
00:41:16.399 --> 00:41:16.439
yeah,

1694
00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:18.120
certainly January 6th was a riot and it was very,

1695
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:18.639
very bad.

1696
00:41:18.879 --> 00:41:18.989
You,

1697
00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:19.280
we can,

1698
00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:19.409
we can,

1699
00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:20.540
we can agree on those things.

1700
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.719
I'm saying that both parties have these procedural efforts to increase their,

1701
00:41:23.790 --> 00:41:25.020
their ability to win elections.

1702
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:25.790
Right now.

1703
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:26.790
Republicans are redistricting.

1704
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.719
I fundamentally disagree with that because Republicans were the ones that voted

1705
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.500
against a bill to ban gerrymandering federally in the United States.

1706
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:37.439
Republicans were the ones that continuously deny the fact that

1707
00:41:37.439 --> 00:41:40.280
Joe Biden won the 2020 election free and fair.

1708
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.239
Democrats have not.

1709
00:41:41.657 --> 00:41:42.697
Once and have been,

1710
00:41:42.818 --> 00:41:44.577
they have been very consistent on this,

1711
00:41:44.657 --> 00:41:46.447
on protecting American elections.

1712
00:41:46.488 --> 00:41:47.218
It's in our name.

1713
00:41:47.617 --> 00:41:51.458
Democrats in 2016 accused Donald Trump and his associates of being Russian assets

1714
00:41:51.458 --> 00:41:53.978
and trying to steal the election at the pest of a foreign adversary,

1715
00:41:54.218 --> 00:41:57.018
going so far to accuse the President of the United States of treason.

1716
00:41:57.298 --> 00:41:59.498
There was a multi-year investigation that cost tens of

1717
00:41:59.498 --> 00:42:01.298
millions of dollars that ended up being nothing.

1718
00:42:01.498 --> 00:42:02.478
That's election denial.

1719
00:42:02.657 --> 00:42:04.857
Now I don't think that's as bad as a bunch of people storming the Capitol.

1720
00:42:04.937 --> 00:42:06.827
That's terrifying and substantially worse,

1721
00:42:07.008 --> 00:42:07.998
physical violence.

1722
00:42:08.218 --> 00:42:08.478
But

1723
00:42:08.657 --> 00:42:08.778
yeah,

1724
00:42:08.857 --> 00:42:09.538
I think if you look.

1725
00:42:09.635 --> 00:42:11.466
Back at the history of this country going back decades,

1726
00:42:11.635 --> 00:42:13.545
it would be a bit naive to say that

1727
00:42:13.756 --> 00:42:15.275
the political parties aren't doing everything in

1728
00:42:15.275 --> 00:42:16.895
their power to steal power from each other

1729
00:42:17.156 --> 00:42:17.275
again,

1730
00:42:17.395 --> 00:42:18.216
so I mean we can,

1731
00:42:18.595 --> 00:42:19.815
I don't want to pivot to Mueller,

1732
00:42:20.035 --> 00:42:20.145
um,

1733
00:42:20.236 --> 00:42:21.125
which in fact also,

1734
00:42:21.285 --> 00:42:21.305
also when

1735
00:42:23.635 --> 00:42:23.746
when Mueller,

1736
00:42:24.385 --> 00:42:25.186
when Mueller passed away,

1737
00:42:25.275 --> 00:42:25.795
rest in peace,

1738
00:42:25.875 --> 00:42:26.726
an American hero,

1739
00:42:26.986 --> 00:42:27.285
uh,

1740
00:42:27.476 --> 00:42:27.716
he,

1741
00:42:27.956 --> 00:42:28.785
Donald Trump literally said,

1742
00:42:29.236 --> 00:42:32.395
I'm glad he's dead and he no longer can hurt innocent people.

1743
00:42:32.575 --> 00:42:32.615
I know.

1744
00:42:32.756 --> 00:42:33.226
So like,

1745
00:42:33.236 --> 00:42:33.466
again,

1746
00:42:33.916 --> 00:42:35.466
another instance of Republicans,

1747
00:42:35.476 --> 00:42:37.676
I would consider threats against people like that.

1748
00:42:37.813 --> 00:42:38.333
Throw him out there.

1749
00:42:38.374 --> 00:42:38.763
When he said that,

1750
00:42:38.773 --> 00:42:39.573
I said it was disgusting.

1751
00:42:39.733 --> 00:42:39.854
I mean,

1752
00:42:39.894 --> 00:42:40.573
it's horrifying.

1753
00:42:40.894 --> 00:42:41.374
But it doesn't,

1754
00:42:41.493 --> 00:42:43.364
doesn't change the fact that Bernie Sanders,

1755
00:42:43.854 --> 00:42:46.134
Bernie Sanders had the election taken away from him illicitly.

1756
00:42:46.224 --> 00:42:46.593
I think,

1757
00:42:46.974 --> 00:42:47.083
uh,

1758
00:42:47.093 --> 00:42:47.954
in 2016,

1759
00:42:48.013 --> 00:42:49.164
I was fervent for Bernie.

1760
00:42:49.174 --> 00:42:52.243
He was talking about securing borders because the Koch brothers,

1761
00:42:52.293 --> 00:42:52.884
industrialists,

1762
00:42:52.894 --> 00:42:53.974
wanted to bring in cheap labor.

1763
00:42:54.214 --> 00:42:56.573
He was talking about getting better wages for the working class,

1764
00:42:56.773 --> 00:42:57.593
supporting unions,

1765
00:42:57.773 --> 00:43:00.833
and I said this is the only guy who's been speaking to issues for the past 20 years

1766
00:43:00.934 --> 00:43:02.813
that actually matter to the right to working class American people.

1767
00:43:03.003 --> 00:43:03.974
And what did the Democratic,

1768
00:43:04.174 --> 00:43:04.454
absolutely,

1769
00:43:04.533 --> 00:43:05.833
and what did the Democratic Party do?

1770
00:43:06.031 --> 00:43:08.312
They use superdelegates to make sure he could not win.

1771
00:43:08.632 --> 00:43:08.872
OK,

1772
00:43:09.031 --> 00:43:09.711
so first off,

1773
00:43:09.791 --> 00:43:10.271
I actually,

1774
00:43:10.521 --> 00:43:10.552
I'm,

1775
00:43:10.632 --> 00:43:11.632
I'm a big fan of Bernie myself.

1776
00:43:11.751 --> 00:43:13.132
So I guess it's something you could agree on there.

1777
00:43:13.312 --> 00:43:14.511
I will say that if you,

1778
00:43:14.672 --> 00:43:16.021
you as a supporter of Donald Trump,

1779
00:43:16.072 --> 00:43:17.511
I find it kind of ironic that you

1780
00:43:17.511 --> 00:43:20.602
believe in anything closely related to Bernie Sanders.

1781
00:43:20.912 --> 00:43:21.751
I'll give you a few examples.

1782
00:43:21.912 --> 00:43:24.812
9 million people who are Democrats voted for Donald Trump in 2016.

1783
00:43:24.991 --> 00:43:25.112
Yeah,

1784
00:43:25.352 --> 00:43:25.461
and,

1785
00:43:25.552 --> 00:43:25.771
and

1786
00:43:25.912 --> 00:43:26.812
I also say

1787
00:43:27.102 --> 00:43:27.832
3 million,

1788
00:43:27.991 --> 00:43:28.662
like millions of people,

1789
00:43:28.711 --> 00:43:31.112
I think it was a couple million in West Virginia,

1790
00:43:31.312 --> 00:43:31.422
uh,

1791
00:43:31.511 --> 00:43:34.191
your state that voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary.

1792
00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:35.250
Then had to switch to Donald Trump.

1793
00:43:35.449 --> 00:43:37.050
I criticize my own party for that,

1794
00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:38.310
and I think that that was wrong.

1795
00:43:38.689 --> 00:43:39.649
My point is not,

1796
00:43:39.850 --> 00:43:42.709
my point is not that the Democratic Party has never,

1797
00:43:42.729 --> 00:43:43.030
ever,

1798
00:43:43.129 --> 00:43:43.469
ever

1799
00:43:43.889 --> 00:43:45.810
used something or participated,

1800
00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:46.129
I would say,

1801
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:47.399
in bad faith in elections.

1802
00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:51.050
My point is that we see consistently from Republicans,

1803
00:43:51.100 --> 00:43:53.560
like consistently over and over again,

1804
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:54.209
again,

1805
00:43:54.290 --> 00:43:56.250
I think that that's like the both parties are all bad.

1806
00:43:56.439 --> 00:43:59.409
You literally had Donald Trump try to subvert the election.

1807
00:43:59.530 --> 00:44:00.870
You've been voted out by the majority.

1808
00:44:01.129 --> 00:44:01.620
Good talking with you,

1809
00:44:01.649 --> 00:44:01.860
man.

1810
00:44:02.020 --> 00:44:02.080
Good.

1811
00:44:06.439 --> 00:44:07.649
If you'd like to be the next debater,

1812
00:44:07.810 --> 00:44:10.969
please head to the chair in 321.

1813
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:14.040
Nice to meet you.

1814
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:14.590
Nice to meet you.

1815
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:15.080
Thanks for coming.

1816
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:15.629
Appreciate it.

1817
00:44:15.689 --> 00:44:16.179
So

1818
00:44:16.439 --> 00:44:16.520
yeah,

1819
00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:18.429
you're not gonna have me defending the Democratic Party.

1820
00:44:18.439 --> 00:44:18.729
I mean,

1821
00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:19.110
let's go.

1822
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.399
I feel like a lot of people,

1823
00:44:20.550 --> 00:44:20.629
yeah,

1824
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.820
and I don't wanna defend Republicans moving towards,

1825
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:23.399
uh,

1826
00:44:23.439 --> 00:44:25.199
fascism on both sides.

1827
00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:25.629
Uh,

1828
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.580
I do want to bring up two unique things

1829
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.929
that Trump has done that no one has ever done in United States history.

1830
00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:34.729
So two is suing a pollster for a poll he didn't like in the state of Idaho.

1831
00:44:35.399 --> 00:44:37.629
And I think the biggest issue is the Israel issue.

1832
00:44:37.939 --> 00:44:39.580
So you have someone like Trump who,

1833
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:39.860
you know,

1834
00:44:39.979 --> 00:44:41.830
sold TikTok to Larry Ellison,

1835
00:44:41.979 --> 00:44:44.360
and he also owns CBS News.

1836
00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:45.290
He also entirely,

1837
00:44:46.419 --> 00:44:46.659
right?

1838
00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:49.120
I think we both agree that's just not good where you give

1839
00:44:49.610 --> 00:44:50.979
someone a media apparatus,

1840
00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:51.219
you know,

1841
00:44:51.290 --> 00:44:53.159
and a social media apparatus like TikTok,

1842
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:54.340
um.

1843
00:44:54.979 --> 00:44:55.179
I,

1844
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:55.419
I,

1845
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:55.820
I,

1846
00:44:55.939 --> 00:44:56.330
uh,

1847
00:44:56.540 --> 00:44:56.739
I,

1848
00:44:56.860 --> 00:44:57.840
these things worry me for sure,

1849
00:44:58.060 --> 00:44:58.530
um,

1850
00:44:58.780 --> 00:44:58.939
I,

1851
00:44:59.020 --> 00:44:59.139
you know,

1852
00:44:59.219 --> 00:44:59.560
I think,

1853
00:44:59.620 --> 00:45:02.370
I think where we're gonna agree with like Democrat and Republicans is,

1854
00:45:02.379 --> 00:45:02.489
uh,

1855
00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:03.969
the issue of Israel particularly

1856
00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:04.340
that,

1857
00:45:04.419 --> 00:45:04.540
that,

1858
00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:04.939
that

1859
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.209
if we're talking about authoritarianism,

1860
00:45:06.260 --> 00:45:07.949
this is why I say like don't make me defend Republicans.

1861
00:45:08.020 --> 00:45:08.979
Like there's some things I will,

1862
00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:09.379
but,

1863
00:45:09.699 --> 00:45:11.689
but the Democratic Party and the Republican Party,

1864
00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:12.010
I,

1865
00:45:12.060 --> 00:45:14.159
I feel like as an establishment

1866
00:45:14.580 --> 00:45:17.610
largely aligned with each other and then there are these like lesser issues that,

1867
00:45:17.739 --> 00:45:17.899
that,

1868
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.750
that divide,

1869
00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:19.570
and I think,

1870
00:45:19.580 --> 00:45:20.080
uh.

1871
00:45:20.879 --> 00:45:22.169
When you look at uh TikTok,

1872
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:22.610
when you look,

1873
00:45:22.709 --> 00:45:22.719
I,

1874
00:45:22.770 --> 00:45:22.850
I,

1875
00:45:22.909 --> 00:45:22.969
I,

1876
00:45:23.050 --> 00:45:23.669
I'll tell you this,

1877
00:45:23.889 --> 00:45:24.010
the,

1878
00:45:24.090 --> 00:45:25.550
the TikTok was sold

1879
00:45:25.879 --> 00:45:27.429
explicitly because of Israel.

1880
00:45:28.270 --> 00:45:28.280
The,

1881
00:45:28.290 --> 00:45:28.530
uh,

1882
00:45:28.729 --> 00:45:29.709
so the story is this,

1883
00:45:29.770 --> 00:45:30.050
um,

1884
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.760
initially Republicans were very mad about TikTok because

1885
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.489
it seemed to promote progressive uh content,

1886
00:45:34.649 --> 00:45:35.429
progressive ideology.

1887
00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:37.020
Republicans had been banned.

1888
00:45:37.100 --> 00:45:38.340
People supporting Trump had been banned.

1889
00:45:38.540 --> 00:45:40.449
So the Republicans come out and say we got ban TikTok.

1890
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:40.540
We,

1891
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:41.370
we can't do this.

1892
00:45:41.899 --> 00:45:42.820
Democrats said no,

1893
00:45:43.100 --> 00:45:45.570
but then something changed after October 7th,

1894
00:45:45.770 --> 00:45:47.280
we saw the rise of

1895
00:45:47.540 --> 00:45:49.649
conduct critical of Israel and supportive of Palestine.

1896
00:45:49.979 --> 00:45:51.500
All of a sudden the Democrats are like,

1897
00:45:51.580 --> 00:45:51.780
you know what,

1898
00:45:51.870 --> 00:45:53.780
now we agree with Republicans and we've got to ban TikTok.

1899
00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:55.620
And then Trump comes out and says no,

1900
00:45:55.659 --> 00:45:55.739
no,

1901
00:45:55.780 --> 00:45:56.649
we're not gonna ban it,

1902
00:45:56.899 --> 00:45:58.340
which he does not have the authority to do.

1903
00:45:58.419 --> 00:45:59.179
The bill was passed.

1904
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:00.300
It was signed by the president.

1905
00:46:00.540 --> 00:46:01.370
When Trump came in office,

1906
00:46:01.419 --> 00:46:02.739
he was supposed to initiate that ban,

1907
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:03.169
but instead,

1908
00:46:03.260 --> 00:46:03.850
what did he do?

1909
00:46:04.100 --> 00:46:05.399
He sold it to a supporter of his

1910
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.399
to change the structure of that content to benefit

1911
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:09.449
his worldview,

1912
00:46:09.459 --> 00:46:12.159
which does align largely with many establishment Democrats.

1913
00:46:12.580 --> 00:46:12.659
Yeah,

1914
00:46:12.739 --> 00:46:13.100
I agree,

1915
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:13.790
and you know,

1916
00:46:13.889 --> 00:46:15.540
you have him sanctioning the ICC,

1917
00:46:15.620 --> 00:46:16.800
the prosecutors.

1918
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.449
I mean this is the fascism we're talking about

1919
00:46:19.729 --> 00:46:22.199
so when you have you know Russia and China that

1920
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.260
don't wanna participate in the the Western system this is why

1921
00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:27.260
then you have France you know that's.

1922
00:46:28.189 --> 00:46:31.189
That's trying to get away from the tech companies because

1923
00:46:31.189 --> 00:46:34.989
our own politicians in those uh uh that legislation.

1924
00:46:35.439 --> 00:46:35.590
Uh,

1925
00:46:35.649 --> 00:46:36.699
they put that they were,

1926
00:46:36.770 --> 00:46:37.050
um,

1927
00:46:37.209 --> 00:46:39.050
that any country that has these databases will,

1928
00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:40.760
will be forced to give the data to them.

1929
00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:41.250
I think,

1930
00:46:41.290 --> 00:46:42.510
so I think if,

1931
00:46:42.600 --> 00:46:44.350
if it's not a singular issue of Donald Trump,

1932
00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:44.750
like,

1933
00:46:44.850 --> 00:46:46.570
clearly the Democratic Party joined in,

1934
00:46:46.649 --> 00:46:46.810
in the,

1935
00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:49.510
in the cheering on of the banning of TikTok because of his content.

1936
00:46:49.770 --> 00:46:53.840
And so I think that just shows that we've got an authoritarian problem in this,

1937
00:46:54.050 --> 00:46:54.169
you know,

1938
00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:55.270
elite circle of

1939
00:46:55.489 --> 00:46:57.270
whatever the military industrial complex or,

1940
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.729
or big banks and all of these,

1941
00:46:58.810 --> 00:46:59.120
you know,

1942
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.149
wealthy groups,

1943
00:47:00.370 --> 00:47:00.530
they're,

1944
00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:01.969
they're interested in similar things.

1945
00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:02.699
No,

1946
00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:02.850
yeah,

1947
00:47:02.899 --> 00:47:03.139
I agree,

1948
00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:04.219
but we're gonna pause here.

1949
00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:05.510
You've been voted out by the majority.

1950
00:47:06.139 --> 00:47:06.219
Well,

1951
00:47:06.260 --> 00:47:06.459
we got,

1952
00:47:06.540 --> 00:47:07.239
we got a little bit.

1953
00:47:07.419 --> 00:47:08.000
Nice meeting you.

1954
00:47:11.709 --> 00:47:13.239
If you'd like to be the next debater,

1955
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.959
please get to the chair in 321.

1956
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:19.919
Nice to meet you.

1957
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:21.739
Gotta say I'm not a fan of either party,

1958
00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:22.219
to be honest,

1959
00:47:22.979 --> 00:47:24.100
same boat as you on that one.

1960
00:47:26.060 --> 00:47:28.379
the left embracing authoritarianism.

1961
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.540
Right now that they don't have the House,

1962
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:31.750
they don't have the Senate,

1963
00:47:31.959 --> 00:47:32.919
they don't have the White House,

1964
00:47:32.959 --> 00:47:33.979
they don't have a majority

1965
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.110
in the Supreme Court.

1966
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:36.580
If these guys are authoritarian,

1967
00:47:36.889 --> 00:47:38.879
they're the crappest authoritarians I've ever seen.

1968
00:47:38.959 --> 00:47:41.659
They gotta go back to authoritarian school and learn how to be authoritarians.

1969
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:41.919
Well,

1970
00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:42.899
or how to win,

1971
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:43.439
right?

1972
00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:44.149
Losing,

1973
00:47:44.270 --> 00:47:45.120
you can still be an authoritarian,

1974
00:47:45.189 --> 00:47:46.120
like Nazis lose power,

1975
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:46.959
but they're still Nazis.

1976
00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:47.080
Well,

1977
00:47:47.149 --> 00:47:47.479
they're losing,

1978
00:47:47.560 --> 00:47:48.320
they're losing at all levels,

1979
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.139
they're losing everywhere.

1980
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:49.520
I,

1981
00:47:49.600 --> 00:47:49.860
yeah,

1982
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:50.280
yeah,

1983
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:51.639
the the Republicans crushed them,

1984
00:47:51.790 --> 00:47:53.280
and I think doesn't mean they're authoritarians though.

1985
00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:53.639
Well,

1986
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:53.840
no,

1987
00:47:53.879 --> 00:47:55.320
I mean you can be an authoritarian and lose,

1988
00:47:55.399 --> 00:47:55.659
right?

1989
00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:56.389
OK,

1990
00:47:56.469 --> 00:47:59.090
so there's 3 actual elements that we need

1991
00:47:59.350 --> 00:48:00.790
to talk about authoritarianism.

1992
00:48:00.909 --> 00:48:02.540
One is dismantling of institutions.

1993
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:04.189
One is eliminating your opponent

1994
00:48:04.310 --> 00:48:05.310
and suspending elections.

1995
00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:05.600
Those are,

1996
00:48:05.629 --> 00:48:08.510
those are very specific claims to some authoritarians.

1997
00:48:08.750 --> 00:48:10.310
I haven't seen elements,

1998
00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:12.419
those elements present within the left at all.

1999
00:48:12.510 --> 00:48:16.439
Donald Trump was arrested several times with except with the exception of one

2000
00:48:16.830 --> 00:48:18.429
that was the eliminating opposition.

2001
00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:19.260
I did see it,

2002
00:48:19.419 --> 00:48:19.860
but it was when,

2003
00:48:19.870 --> 00:48:22.110
when they arrested Donald Trump several times and then tried to get a.

2004
00:48:22.426 --> 00:48:22.436
They,

2005
00:48:22.805 --> 00:48:24.145
they filed a suit to the Supreme Court

2006
00:48:24.406 --> 00:48:26.105
to get Trump banned from being able to run.

2007
00:48:26.525 --> 00:48:27.206
I don't remember that,

2008
00:48:27.305 --> 00:48:29.525
but I do remember you don't remember that guy at a rally going,

2009
00:48:29.645 --> 00:48:30.325
the 14th Amendment her up,

2010
00:48:30.335 --> 00:48:31.635
lock her up.

2011
00:48:31.716 --> 00:48:32.645
Who is that person again?

2012
00:48:32.686 --> 00:48:33.196
I forget.

2013
00:48:33.446 --> 00:48:33.805
All right,

2014
00:48:33.845 --> 00:48:36.486
it was the same guy who weaponized the DOJ against all his

2015
00:48:36.486 --> 00:48:40.206
political opponents or deployed the National Guard to beat down our protesters,

2016
00:48:40.476 --> 00:48:43.706
deployed to terrorize families and tear apart communities,

2017
00:48:43.845 --> 00:48:45.845
or launched the Save Act to try and

2018
00:48:46.045 --> 00:48:46.345
just

2019
00:48:46.565 --> 00:48:48.246
put voter suppression tactics in place so we could steal.

2020
00:48:48.382 --> 00:48:48.872
An election,

2021
00:48:49.102 --> 00:48:52.211
imprison protesters for 10 years for marching down the streets.

2022
00:48:52.372 --> 00:48:55.302
I think tell the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by.

2023
00:48:55.501 --> 00:48:58.132
I'm ready to mobilize you to launch another insurrection.

2024
00:48:58.211 --> 00:48:58.802
Let's go.

2025
00:48:58.812 --> 00:48:59.541
Oh like a soapbox.

2026
00:48:59.612 --> 00:49:00.382
Who is that guy again?

2027
00:49:00.422 --> 00:49:00.812
I forgot.

2028
00:49:01.231 --> 00:49:02.211
If you'd like a soapbox,

2029
00:49:02.221 --> 00:49:03.102
we can set one up for you.

2030
00:49:03.181 --> 00:49:04.201
But if you want to have a conversation,

2031
00:49:04.461 --> 00:49:05.261
I'm sitting right here.

2032
00:49:05.382 --> 00:49:05.642
Go for it.

2033
00:49:05.701 --> 00:49:06.892
I think the position is indefensible,

2034
00:49:06.941 --> 00:49:07.731
but I'd love to hear your take.

2035
00:49:07.781 --> 00:49:08.021
Go for it.

2036
00:49:08.072 --> 00:49:08.142
Well,

2037
00:49:08.491 --> 00:49:09.412
you're allowed to not like Trump.

2038
00:49:09.461 --> 00:49:10.291
He's done a lot of bad things.

2039
00:49:10.382 --> 00:49:10.622
Thank you.

2040
00:49:10.711 --> 00:49:12.181
Now we're talking about the Democratic Party,

2041
00:49:12.241 --> 00:49:12.882
the things they've done,

2042
00:49:12.971 --> 00:49:13.572
and you've,

2043
00:49:13.862 --> 00:49:14.382
I think.

2044
00:49:14.518 --> 00:49:15.397
And I'm not saying this derisively,

2045
00:49:15.478 --> 00:49:16.397
but I think there's many things that you're

2046
00:49:16.397 --> 00:49:17.827
ignorant of the Democratic Party has done.

2047
00:49:18.077 --> 00:49:19.708
You talk about suppression of their political opponent.

2048
00:49:19.788 --> 00:49:19.907
Well,

2049
00:49:20.038 --> 00:49:20.048
yeah,

2050
00:49:20.197 --> 00:49:22.347
they sued so that Trump could not run for office.

2051
00:49:22.637 --> 00:49:22.887
They,

2052
00:49:23.077 --> 00:49:23.377
they

2053
00:49:23.558 --> 00:49:24.637
tried to claim he was an insurrectionist.

2054
00:49:24.677 --> 00:49:25.508
He was ineligible.

2055
00:49:25.677 --> 00:49:27.357
He was arrested several times.

2056
00:49:27.437 --> 00:49:28.708
They arrested his lawyers.

2057
00:49:28.917 --> 00:49:29.048
Now,

2058
00:49:29.058 --> 00:49:29.827
by all means,

2059
00:49:30.068 --> 00:49:33.417
every authoritarian makes the argument they're justified in their use

2060
00:49:33.417 --> 00:49:36.677
of of authoritarian tactics to remove their political opponents.

2061
00:49:36.877 --> 00:49:38.187
That doesn't change the idea,

2062
00:49:38.197 --> 00:49:40.058
or I should say the philosophy behind what they're doing.

2063
00:49:40.318 --> 00:49:42.313
So if You want to accuse Jenna Ellis,

2064
00:49:42.333 --> 00:49:42.733
for instance,

2065
00:49:42.773 --> 00:49:45.694
of doing something wrong because she drafted a letter arguing on Trump's behalf.

2066
00:49:46.013 --> 00:49:46.374
That's,

2067
00:49:46.493 --> 00:49:47.753
that's authoritarianism.

2068
00:49:47.894 --> 00:49:49.924
By all means you can say she was wrong to do it.

2069
00:49:49.974 --> 00:49:50.634
She's a criminal,

2070
00:49:50.763 --> 00:49:51.674
but we are seeing

2071
00:49:51.813 --> 00:49:53.644
when you start going after people's lawyers,

2072
00:49:53.854 --> 00:49:56.523
by all means tell me you think she's a criminal and deserves it,

2073
00:49:56.533 --> 00:49:57.273
and I will tell you

2074
00:49:57.394 --> 00:50:00.134
the people of this country now stand in fear that Democrats

2075
00:50:00.134 --> 00:50:02.454
are going to arrest them if they engage in illegal practices.

2076
00:50:02.614 --> 00:50:03.773
We're going to pause here.

2077
00:50:03.854 --> 00:50:04.593
We are out of time

2078
00:50:06.204 --> 00:50:06.224
at home.

2079
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:11.959
My next surrounding claim

2080
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.760
is that the United States is tracking towards a civil war.

2081
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.439
If you'd like to be the first debater,

2082
00:50:16.560 --> 00:50:19.919
please head to the chair in 321.

2083
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:24.409
Welcome back.

2084
00:50:25.350 --> 00:50:25.969
You miss me.

2085
00:50:26.629 --> 00:50:27.010
So

2086
00:50:27.310 --> 00:50:27.510
listen,

2087
00:50:27.620 --> 00:50:27.750
I,

2088
00:50:27.870 --> 00:50:29.649
I think that we are getting closer towards,

2089
00:50:29.870 --> 00:50:29.949
uh,

2090
00:50:29.989 --> 00:50:31.750
a a peak of civil unrest in this country,

2091
00:50:31.790 --> 00:50:32.389
and in all honesty,

2092
00:50:32.429 --> 00:50:33.530
I'm gonna blame people like you.

2093
00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:36.669
This entire time you've been trying to blur the line between what

2094
00:50:36.669 --> 00:50:39.010
separates you and a person like me and everybody in the circle.

2095
00:50:39.290 --> 00:50:40.360
The truth is you don't agree

2096
00:50:40.550 --> 00:50:41.149
on your show.

2097
00:50:41.189 --> 00:50:43.449
You have 5 white supremacists around you and 1 liberal,

2098
00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:43.729
uh,

2099
00:50:43.790 --> 00:50:46.659
lawyer talking about why we should protect the Constitution on Twitter.

2100
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.189
You're mentioning the civil war and why we need to have a civil war,

2101
00:50:49.350 --> 00:50:50.570
civil war 24/7.

2102
00:50:50.830 --> 00:50:52.850
Now you've said civil war numerous times.

2103
00:50:54.209 --> 00:50:57.830
Slates of screenshots over the last 4 years alone I'm not

2104
00:50:57.830 --> 00:51:00.689
talking about shooting ivermectin up your ass all the time.

2105
00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:02.149
I've never advocating for ivermectin.

2106
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:02.699
It's,

2107
00:51:02.709 --> 00:51:04.510
you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

2108
00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:06.580
You've not done any research and you've never used Google.

2109
00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:08.060
I've never advocated for ivermectin,

2110
00:51:08.110 --> 00:51:08.429
not once.

2111
00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:09.040
He's not gonna stop.

2112
00:51:09.620 --> 00:51:10.310
I've never used it.

2113
00:51:10.389 --> 00:51:11.129
I've never used iver.

2114
00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:11.310
I,

2115
00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:12.050
I said no,

2116
00:51:12.189 --> 00:51:12.860
you shouldn't use it.

2117
00:51:12.909 --> 00:51:14.250
I'm gonna get to if you wanna make things

2118
00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:15.899
up,

2119
00:51:15.989 --> 00:51:16.270
you wanna,

2120
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:16.909
you wanna just waste time,

2121
00:51:16.989 --> 00:51:17.709
then we can waste time.

2122
00:51:17.870 --> 00:51:18.189
But if you haven't.

2123
00:51:18.275 --> 00:51:19.025
You're wasting time right now.

2124
00:51:19.075 --> 00:51:19.156
Yeah,

2125
00:51:19.275 --> 00:51:20.835
so if I'm about to give it to you agree with me on the issue,

2126
00:51:20.936 --> 00:51:21.585
but you don't like me,

2127
00:51:21.635 --> 00:51:22.315
then we can agree and you can.

2128
00:51:22.375 --> 00:51:22.385
No,

2129
00:51:22.436 --> 00:51:23.196
I think you're responsible.

2130
00:51:23.355 --> 00:51:24.035
I think you're responsible.

2131
00:51:24.075 --> 00:51:25.355
You can get an individual like your man.

2132
00:51:25.506 --> 00:51:25.835
If you,

2133
00:51:25.885 --> 00:51:26.635
you just don't want to finish,

2134
00:51:26.696 --> 00:51:27.595
you know where I'm gonna go with this.

2135
00:51:27.716 --> 00:51:28.115
Do you agree?

2136
00:51:28.295 --> 00:51:28.305
You,

2137
00:51:28.375 --> 00:51:28.466
you,

2138
00:51:28.615 --> 00:51:31.236
you so mistrust you're allowed to blame me all you want,

2139
00:51:31.305 --> 00:51:32.696
and then we can agree and you can leave.

2140
00:51:33.196 --> 00:51:34.305
You just want to run away from the conversation.

2141
00:51:34.325 --> 00:51:35.986
Are you here to dispute my claim or agree with it?

2142
00:51:36.115 --> 00:51:37.035
I think you're responsible.

2143
00:51:37.196 --> 00:51:37.835
That's fantastic.

2144
00:51:37.916 --> 00:51:38.436
Thank you and have a nice day.

2145
00:51:38.625 --> 00:51:38.635
Oh,

2146
00:51:38.666 --> 00:51:39.635
you don't want to hear why you're responsible.

2147
00:51:39.676 --> 00:51:41.275
It doesn't matter because you're here to dispute my claims,

2148
00:51:41.385 --> 00:51:41.516
right?

2149
00:51:41.676 --> 00:51:42.315
Not agree doesn't matter.

2150
00:51:42.355 --> 00:51:42.595
You don't.

2151
00:51:42.681 --> 00:51:44.521
All of a sudden you want to stick to the definition of your claims,

2152
00:51:44.572 --> 00:51:45.602
but when it comes to just about everything,

2153
00:51:45.842 --> 00:51:47.382
everything else you wanna agree with me and you.

2154
00:51:47.431 --> 00:51:48.062
You're not gonna stop talking,

2155
00:51:48.122 --> 00:51:48.342
are you?

2156
00:51:48.402 --> 00:51:48.521
Are you,

2157
00:51:48.572 --> 00:51:49.882
are you gonna sit here and agree with me you control yourself?

2158
00:51:49.961 --> 00:51:50.691
You're like 50 years old.

2159
00:51:50.791 --> 00:51:51.291
You're gonna calm down with me.

2160
00:51:51.912 --> 00:51:52.162
Calm down.

2161
00:51:52.471 --> 00:51:52.612
You come down.

2162
00:51:52.731 --> 00:51:53.302
I don't agree with you.

2163
00:51:53.332 --> 00:51:54.441
I disagree with you on everything.

2164
00:51:54.602 --> 00:51:55.211
You make fake claims.

2165
00:51:55.312 --> 00:51:55.832
Of course I do.

2166
00:51:55.912 --> 00:51:57.951
If if anybody's doing something that I don't actually believe

2167
00:51:57.951 --> 00:51:59.552
in it because you're getting paid by other country,

2168
00:51:59.681 --> 00:52:01.681
I argue you're Joe Rogan for adversaries,

2169
00:52:01.731 --> 00:52:01.922
bro.

2170
00:52:01.961 --> 00:52:03.961
I advocated on Joe Rogan's show,

2171
00:52:04.451 --> 00:52:05.152
David,

2172
00:52:05.231 --> 00:52:06.822
can you please address the claim?

2173
00:52:07.409 --> 00:52:09.090
I think America is getting closer to civil war

2174
00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:10.209
and it's all because of people like Timple.

2175
00:52:10.370 --> 00:52:11.120
Thank you for agreeing with me.

2176
00:52:11.169 --> 00:52:11.610
Have a nice day.

2177
00:52:11.729 --> 00:52:11.810
Yeah,

2178
00:52:11.879 --> 00:52:12.320
you're a coward,

2179
00:52:12.330 --> 00:52:12.790
bro.

2180
00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:13.489
Well,

2181
00:52:13.610 --> 00:52:14.199
if you don't agree with me,

2182
00:52:14.229 --> 00:52:15.110
I don't know why you're here.

2183
00:52:15.810 --> 00:52:16.050
Also,

2184
00:52:16.129 --> 00:52:18.949
I would recommend doing research before you apply you come to a place like this.

2185
00:52:19.370 --> 00:52:20.530
If you'd like to be the next debater,

2186
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.090
please head to the chair in 321.

2187
00:52:26.770 --> 00:52:27.280
Welcome back.

2188
00:52:27.979 --> 00:52:28.580
Good to see you again.

2189
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:29.659
Great to see you again.

2190
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:30.080
Yeah,

2191
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:30.610
um,

2192
00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:32.459
the first time you talked about this was in 2019,

2193
00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:33.389
so it's been quite a while.

2194
00:52:33.419 --> 00:52:35.100
I think it was before that calling for civil war.

2195
00:52:35.179 --> 00:52:36.020
I've never called for civil war,

2196
00:52:36.060 --> 00:52:36.979
or not calling for,

2197
00:52:37.020 --> 00:52:37.479
I'm sorry,

2198
00:52:37.620 --> 00:52:37.770
uh,

2199
00:52:37.899 --> 00:52:39.040
said that we're on the brink of,

2200
00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:39.659
of civil war.

2201
00:52:39.739 --> 00:52:41.699
And what was the citation I had for when I said that?

2202
00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:42.340
I would love you.

2203
00:52:42.419 --> 00:52:43.320
It was The Atlantic,

2204
00:52:43.620 --> 00:52:47.199
and it was a journalist who interviewed several national security experts who said

2205
00:52:47.419 --> 00:52:49.500
that there is a range of opinions in the national security

2206
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.699
space that the US is trending towards a civil war,

2207
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:52.300
notably.

2208
00:52:52.520 --> 00:52:53.000
That when you,

2209
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:54.399
when you cite people like Stephen Marsh,

2210
00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:54.840
journalist,

2211
00:52:54.899 --> 00:52:55.520
as well as Barbara F.

2212
00:52:55.600 --> 00:52:55.830
Walter,

2213
00:52:55.919 --> 00:52:56.620
former CIA,

2214
00:52:56.959 --> 00:53:00.629
the US academics describe the period that we're in as civil strife,

2215
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.159
meaning

2216
00:53:01.399 --> 00:53:01.810
there's a,

2217
00:53:02.080 --> 00:53:04.080
there's a criteria of death that has occurred

2218
00:53:04.080 --> 00:53:06.260
for political reasons over the past year or years

2219
00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:09.120
for which the next phase would be civil war.

2220
00:53:09.270 --> 00:53:09.620
However,

2221
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:10.590
tracking,

2222
00:53:10.949 --> 00:53:11.469
we'll make my point,

2223
00:53:11.600 --> 00:53:12.389
tracking towards it,

2224
00:53:12.479 --> 00:53:12.520
uh,

2225
00:53:12.649 --> 00:53:12.669
I,

2226
00:53:12.790 --> 00:53:14.639
I've not said that it will happen.

2227
00:53:15.060 --> 00:53:17.030
Although there have been many people who have said that we are

2228
00:53:17.030 --> 00:53:19.629
in a cold civil war or some kind of cultural civil war,

2229
00:53:19.909 --> 00:53:21.020
I always,

2230
00:53:21.149 --> 00:53:22.709
always caveat because I,

2231
00:53:22.790 --> 00:53:25.449
I don't actually have a strong prediction that acts,

2232
00:53:25.669 --> 00:53:26.110
first of all,

2233
00:53:26.189 --> 00:53:28.709
you do have a strong prediction if you've been saying this since 2019.

2234
00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:30.709
There's 40 articles about it people can look this up.

2235
00:53:30.790 --> 00:53:32.750
There's 42 of your titles that have the.

2236
00:53:32.899 --> 00:53:34.969
Word civil war in it with big fonts on the front.

2237
00:53:35.100 --> 00:53:35.439
They sure do.

2238
00:53:35.530 --> 00:53:36.159
So why is that?

2239
00:53:36.229 --> 00:53:37.169
It's sensationalist.

2240
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.449
It's easy to get clicks on that.

2241
00:53:38.649 --> 00:53:41.889
There's a reason why you say it because it's very profitable for your business.

2242
00:53:42.270 --> 00:53:42.649
But there's a,

2243
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.350
we have 1600 episodes of just IRL.

2244
00:53:46.050 --> 00:53:49.010
There comes a point where people stop taking your predictions seriously.

2245
00:53:49.080 --> 00:53:49.979
Are you gonna make an argument,

2246
00:53:50.050 --> 00:53:50.709
or are you mad at me?

2247
00:53:51.290 --> 00:53:51.830
I'm not mad at you.

2248
00:53:51.939 --> 00:53:52.100
OK,

2249
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:52.219
then,

2250
00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.489
let's make an argument about whether or not we are tracking.

2251
00:53:54.580 --> 00:53:54.620
No,

2252
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:54.729
no,

2253
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:54.810
no,

2254
00:53:54.889 --> 00:53:54.899
no,

2255
00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:54.929
no,

2256
00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:55.179
no,

2257
00:53:55.270 --> 00:53:55.300
no,

2258
00:53:55.379 --> 00:53:55.419
no,

2259
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:55.659
no.

2260
00:53:55.939 --> 00:53:58.649
If you're making an argument you don't like my thumbnails or you don't,

2261
00:53:58.780 --> 00:54:00.139
you should I say my name over and over I'm

2262
00:54:00.139 --> 00:54:02.020
saying that you say bullshit in order to get money.

2263
00:54:02.179 --> 00:54:02.419
But what,

2264
00:54:02.510 --> 00:54:03.000
let me ask you,

2265
00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:04.260
let me ask you a question predictions.

2266
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:04.760
Let me ask you,

2267
00:54:04.899 --> 00:54:05.459
let me ask you a question.

2268
00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:05.739
You can.

2269
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.679
I will agree with you that there's increased polarization.

2270
00:54:07.899 --> 00:54:08.020
I,

2271
00:54:08.169 --> 00:54:10.610
I would attribute a lot of that to people being specifically online.

2272
00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:10.979
Let me ask,

2273
00:54:11.129 --> 00:54:11.189
uh,

2274
00:54:11.370 --> 00:54:13.489
there's a lot less interaction with people that are,

2275
00:54:13.520 --> 00:54:14.340
are in different camps.

2276
00:54:14.439 --> 00:54:14.699
Let me ask you.

2277
00:54:14.782 --> 00:54:15.103
Question,

2278
00:54:15.423 --> 00:54:17.843
you're gonna sit here and tell me that we're way

2279
00:54:17.843 --> 00:54:21.222
more polarized than Alexander Ham Hamilton and Aaron Burr,

2280
00:54:21.252 --> 00:54:23.103
who like shot each other with their disagreements.

2281
00:54:23.302 --> 00:54:24.732
You're gonna why was that Aaron Andrew Jackson,

2282
00:54:24.782 --> 00:54:25.492
who's the sitting president,

2283
00:54:25.732 --> 00:54:26.613
do you wanna have a conversation,

2284
00:54:26.623 --> 00:54:27.312
or are you just gonna be?

2285
00:54:28.062 --> 00:54:30.282
Why was Aaron Danielson shot the shot in the chest twice?

2286
00:54:30.572 --> 00:54:30.843
Sorry,

2287
00:54:31.022 --> 00:54:32.693
why was Aaron Danielson shot in the chest,

2288
00:54:32.772 --> 00:54:32.893
uh,

2289
00:54:33.022 --> 00:54:36.262
I the chest twice disagreeing that political violence is taking the place.

2290
00:54:36.393 --> 00:54:38.143
You say Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr,

2291
00:54:38.183 --> 00:54:38.262
but.

2292
00:54:38.345 --> 00:54:39.986
When I ask you a question about an assassination,

2293
00:54:40.025 --> 00:54:40.365
you,

2294
00:54:40.375 --> 00:54:40.545
you,

2295
00:54:40.666 --> 00:54:40.855
you,

2296
00:54:41.025 --> 00:54:41.105
you,

2297
00:54:41.236 --> 00:54:41.295
you,

2298
00:54:41.426 --> 00:54:43.035
you defer where you can say that.

2299
00:54:43.075 --> 00:54:46.226
Let me ask you a question war every fucking year and it doesn't happen and I never,

2300
00:54:46.305 --> 00:54:47.446
it just hasn't happened yet.

2301
00:54:47.545 --> 00:54:47.885
Let me ask you.

2302
00:54:47.906 --> 00:54:48.625
Or if it does happen,

2303
00:54:48.686 --> 00:54:48.865
you say,

2304
00:54:48.986 --> 00:54:49.065
see,

2305
00:54:49.105 --> 00:54:49.545
I've had it all.

2306
00:54:49.656 --> 00:54:52.256
Let me ask you a question you're the same thing as like the Christian rapture

2307
00:54:52.256 --> 00:54:54.375
people who say that the rapture's coming every

2308
00:54:54.375 --> 00:54:55.645
fucking year and when it doesn't happen,

2309
00:54:55.775 --> 00:54:56.365
do you want a soapbox?

2310
00:54:56.625 --> 00:54:57.496
Do you want me to get you a soapbox?

2311
00:54:57.506 --> 00:54:58.166
It's really I can leave.

2312
00:54:58.355 --> 00:54:58.385
You want me,

2313
00:54:58.525 --> 00:55:00.055
it's really easy to like do what you do.

2314
00:55:00.416 --> 00:55:01.785
It's really easy to do what you do.

2315
00:55:02.590 --> 00:55:04.050
Like you literally just say

2316
00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:06.750
the Civil War is happening next year.

2317
00:55:07.070 --> 00:55:08.280
Civil war is happening next year,

2318
00:55:08.350 --> 00:55:08.830
it's coming.

2319
00:55:08.949 --> 00:55:10.469
Make sure you subscribe to Timcast.

2320
00:55:10.709 --> 00:55:11.949
Continue to watch my videos,

2321
00:55:12.050 --> 00:55:12.389
please.

2322
00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:13.610
Follow us on YouTube,

2323
00:55:13.709 --> 00:55:14.830
follow us on Instagram.

2324
00:55:14.939 --> 00:55:15.110
It's,

2325
00:55:15.149 --> 00:55:16.179
it's easy to do what you do,

2326
00:55:16.229 --> 00:55:16.669
bro.

2327
00:55:17.959 --> 00:55:18.030
Well,

2328
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:18.419
we're gonna have.

2329
00:55:20.429 --> 00:55:20.719
So for your uh.

2330
00:55:23.389 --> 00:55:23.479
Tim,

2331
00:55:23.600 --> 00:55:24.439
thank you for returning.

2332
00:55:26.479 --> 00:55:28.310
No one's actually had a debate yet.

2333
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.320
Are we going to actually talk about whether it will or will not happen?

2334
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:30.659
I mean,

2335
00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:32.600
sounds like it's gonna.

2336
00:55:33.570 --> 00:55:34.209
All right,

2337
00:55:34.310 --> 00:55:35.850
if you'd like to be the next debater,

2338
00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:39.510
please head to the chair in 321.

2339
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.620
Welcome.

2340
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:43.689
Nice to meet you.

2341
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:44.000
Hey,

2342
00:55:44.169 --> 00:55:44.840
nice to meet you.

2343
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:46.419
I think we are

2344
00:55:46.600 --> 00:55:48.260
being constantly fueled

2345
00:55:48.399 --> 00:55:50.689
by the people that are already in charge,

2346
00:55:50.850 --> 00:55:51.739
that are up on top,

2347
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.179
that are already wealthy

2348
00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:56.149
and that already have power over the entire government.

2349
00:55:56.479 --> 00:55:57.439
Donald Trump has

2350
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.300
8 billionaires in his administration,

2351
00:55:59.909 --> 00:56:00.840
including himself.

2352
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:02.320
You see his sons profiting,

2353
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:03.709
you see his friends profiting,

2354
00:56:03.949 --> 00:56:06.000
you see everyone in close ties with him profiting.

2355
00:56:06.270 --> 00:56:06.280
OK,

2356
00:56:07.030 --> 00:56:08.639
they're not gonna give up this power.

2357
00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:10.850
I don't think we're on the verge of a civil war.

2358
00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:12.409
I think we're due for a revolution.

2359
00:56:12.629 --> 00:56:12.679
Well,

2360
00:56:12.790 --> 00:56:13.229
and I don't,

2361
00:56:13.350 --> 00:56:14.419
I hope that's peaceful.

2362
00:56:14.550 --> 00:56:15.709
I hope that's not violent.

2363
00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:16.250
I hope

2364
00:56:16.669 --> 00:56:17.469
we change.

2365
00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:18.280
This is fantastic.

2366
00:56:18.389 --> 00:56:18.429
No,

2367
00:56:18.479 --> 00:56:18.510
no,

2368
00:56:18.580 --> 00:56:18.590
no,

2369
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:18.949
I appreciate this.

2370
00:56:19.020 --> 00:56:19.780
Can I ask you some questions?

2371
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:20.050
Yeah.

2372
00:56:20.260 --> 00:56:21.070
Do you believe that Donald,

2373
00:56:21.270 --> 00:56:21.459
and I'm,

2374
00:56:21.510 --> 00:56:22.620
I'm not trying to accuse you of believing this,

2375
00:56:22.669 --> 00:56:24.290
but do you think that Donald Trump is a fascist?

2376
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:25.899
Um,

2377
00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:26.479
yes,

2378
00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:26.800
I do.

2379
00:56:26.879 --> 00:56:26.959
Do you,

2380
00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:29.050
do you think that there are Nazis in his,

2381
00:56:29.060 --> 00:56:29.360
in his administration,

2382
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:30.419
in his administration,

2383
00:56:31.189 --> 00:56:31.399
do you,

2384
00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:32.280
do you think that,

2385
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:32.709
uh,

2386
00:56:32.879 --> 00:56:33.270
they,

2387
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:33.510
uh,

2388
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.219
I mean,

2389
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.699
how do you feel about them using the military to go after,

2390
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:37.429
uh,

2391
00:56:37.439 --> 00:56:38.719
undocumented migrants in this country?

2392
00:56:39.580 --> 00:56:43.610
I think it is an unnecessary use of force when we should be targeting

2393
00:56:43.830 --> 00:56:47.110
violent criminals that have come into this country illegally illegally.

2394
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.610
That should be the sole focus when 70% of detainees in ICE custody

2395
00:56:51.770 --> 00:56:52.989
do not have a criminal conviction.

2396
00:56:53.189 --> 00:56:56.979
We're wasting resources and trying to use a show of militaristic power,

2397
00:56:57.149 --> 00:56:58.350
which is a huge,

2398
00:56:58.629 --> 00:57:00.570
huge proponent of fascism.

2399
00:57:00.909 --> 00:57:01.030
Uh,

2400
00:57:01.070 --> 00:57:02.260
how do you feel about the death of,

2401
00:57:02.310 --> 00:57:02.540
uh,

2402
00:57:02.550 --> 00:57:03.070
Renee Good and,

2403
00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:03.790
and Alex Predi?

2404
00:57:03.899 --> 00:57:04.449
Unjustified.

2405
00:57:04.909 --> 00:57:06.169
Are you gonna do anything about it?

2406
00:57:07.189 --> 00:57:08.590
I'm gonna rally everyone here.

2407
00:57:08.669 --> 00:57:10.229
I'm is rallying going to stop murder?

2408
00:57:10.310 --> 00:57:10.429
I,

2409
00:57:10.590 --> 00:57:11.370
I don't do this.

2410
00:57:11.550 --> 00:57:14.120
Is rallying gonna stop the killing of annoy my few 100

2411
00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:16.989
friends and followers on my Instagram post by reposting news stories.

2412
00:57:17.070 --> 00:57:19.189
Do you think rallying will stop the killing of people?

2413
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:20.489
What I'm doing here now

2414
00:57:20.870 --> 00:57:23.219
is trying to show people that they need to speak up,

2415
00:57:23.310 --> 00:57:24.459
that we're not against each other,

2416
00:57:24.469 --> 00:57:25.090
right and left.

2417
00:57:25.270 --> 00:57:27.669
Do you believe speaking up will stop ICE from killing people?

2418
00:57:27.750 --> 00:57:29.510
I think speaking up will get us to the right.

2419
00:57:29.810 --> 00:57:32.120
Process of voting people in the midterms

2420
00:57:32.459 --> 00:57:33.820
and in the next election

2421
00:57:33.979 --> 00:57:36.659
so that we can make changes the constitutional way.

2422
00:57:36.770 --> 00:57:38.580
How many people do you think will die between now and then?

2423
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:39.260
Too many.

2424
00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:41.060
There's already been too many people that have died.

2425
00:57:41.219 --> 00:57:41.840
So my,

2426
00:57:41.850 --> 00:57:42.000
my,

2427
00:57:42.459 --> 00:57:42.540
again,

2428
00:57:42.580 --> 00:57:43.540
this is largely based off,

2429
00:57:43.659 --> 00:57:43.699
I,

2430
00:57:43.780 --> 00:57:44.399
I don't know if it's,

2431
00:57:44.409 --> 00:57:46.310
so are you trying to incite a civil war?

2432
00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:46.659
No.

2433
00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:47.699
Do you want a civil war?

2434
00:57:47.899 --> 00:57:50.739
I'm asking what do you actually believe do you want to do against ICE?

2435
00:57:51.459 --> 00:57:52.139
I like ICE

2436
00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:53.899
and you're happy that they're killing people.

2437
00:57:54.060 --> 00:57:54.479
No,

2438
00:57:54.979 --> 00:57:55.129
OK,

2439
00:57:55.219 --> 00:57:56.010
so what are you gonna do?

2440
00:57:56.100 --> 00:57:57.419
I'm gonna vote for Trump again.

2441
00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.620
He's the one that's allowing guys to kill people.

2442
00:57:59.949 --> 00:58:00.979
He's not voting for JD Vance,

2443
00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:01.570
as I just said,

2444
00:58:01.649 --> 00:58:02.870
he's the one not taking accountability.

2445
00:58:03.790 --> 00:58:03.870
See,

2446
00:58:03.909 --> 00:58:03.959
I,

2447
00:58:04.110 --> 00:58:04.169
see,

2448
00:58:04.229 --> 00:58:04.270
I,

2449
00:58:04.389 --> 00:58:05.389
I think there's a distinction here.

2450
00:58:05.469 --> 00:58:05.830
For one,

2451
00:58:05.989 --> 00:58:08.870
the claim is meant to be like nonpartisan,

2452
00:58:08.949 --> 00:58:09.300
but I have,

2453
00:58:09.310 --> 00:58:09.669
of course,

2454
00:58:09.750 --> 00:58:10.620
my partisan views.

2455
00:58:10.909 --> 00:58:13.310
I like the Trump administration though they've done a lot of bad things,

2456
00:58:13.340 --> 00:58:13.820
and that's fine,

2457
00:58:13.899 --> 00:58:14.949
and we can call it those bad things,

2458
00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:16.260
but I'm going to continue to support it.

2459
00:58:16.429 --> 00:58:17.929
My point largely is either

2460
00:58:18.469 --> 00:58:20.389
the progressives will stand up against what they

2461
00:58:20.389 --> 00:58:22.389
perceive as fascism or fascism takes over,

2462
00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:24.199
which they are by all means we just had the

2463
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.050
largest protest in the history of the United States.

2464
00:58:26.060 --> 00:58:28.770
We're gonna pause here.

2465
00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:29.629
Thank you.

2466
00:58:29.790 --> 00:58:30.739
You've been by the majority.

2467
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:34.090
If you'd like to be the next debater,

2468
00:58:34.209 --> 00:58:37.810
please head to the chair in 321.

2469
00:58:40.209 --> 00:58:40.580
OK,

2470
00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:42.360
so the whole thing about civil war

2471
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:45.899
is that I do think that you need some sort of leadership,

2472
00:58:46.100 --> 00:58:46.260
you know,

2473
00:58:46.340 --> 00:58:50.560
that is being financially disenfranchised to incentivize a civil war,

2474
00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:55.639
and we don't really have any strong progressive leaders in office currently

2475
00:58:55.780 --> 00:58:58.580
that are being meaningfully financially disenfranchised,

2476
00:58:58.620 --> 00:58:59.050
um,

2477
00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:00.260
the way slavers were.

2478
00:59:00.540 --> 00:59:01.969
So I think that you don't,

2479
00:59:02.020 --> 00:59:02.459
that's the challenge,

2480
00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:03.340
I think.

2481
00:59:03.479 --> 00:59:04.159
That is absolutely,

2482
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:04.419
yes,

2483
00:59:04.520 --> 00:59:06.360
that is you don't if you take a look at civil wars throughout history,

2484
00:59:06.520 --> 00:59:08.070
we can use the Syrian civil war as an example.

2485
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.800
It started with a dozen or so disparate factions,

2486
00:59:10.870 --> 00:59:12.060
largely of locals

2487
00:59:12.229 --> 00:59:15.699
and various ideologies that ultimately coalesced around 11 group,

2488
00:59:15.919 --> 00:59:16.919
either the Free Syrian Army,

2489
00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:18.320
but then ultimately got taken over.

2490
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.159
So civil wars can be fomented through small factions that bubble up.

2491
00:59:22.429 --> 00:59:22.760
Certainly,

2492
00:59:22.879 --> 00:59:23.189
but I,

2493
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.919
I think that you are vastly overestimating the uh.

2494
00:59:27.310 --> 00:59:27.659
You know,

2495
00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:28.919
kind of militant,

2496
00:59:29.459 --> 00:59:29.679
uh,

2497
00:59:29.689 --> 00:59:32.129
capacity of the American left

2498
00:59:32.379 --> 00:59:34.280
like we truly do not have

2499
00:59:34.659 --> 00:59:38.100
like a far left in the US that would be willing to take up arms.

2500
00:59:38.139 --> 00:59:39.060
It is so,

2501
00:59:39.219 --> 00:59:39.500
so,

2502
00:59:39.659 --> 00:59:40.379
so small.

2503
00:59:40.590 --> 00:59:41.010
Furthermore,

2504
00:59:41.100 --> 00:59:42.340
I do think that

2505
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:44.199
technology wise

2506
00:59:44.899 --> 00:59:45.360
it's not,

2507
00:59:45.419 --> 00:59:45.760
you know,

2508
00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:46.060
it's,

2509
00:59:46.100 --> 00:59:47.840
it's not an even battle anymore

2510
00:59:48.030 --> 00:59:48.439
like

2511
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.330
the military,

2512
00:59:49.379 --> 00:59:50.219
the US military,

2513
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:52.179
which is largely conservative and currently,

2514
00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:52.500
you know,

2515
00:59:52.620 --> 00:59:52.969
uh,

2516
00:59:52.979 --> 00:59:54.010
Trump is in charge of them.

2517
00:59:54.449 --> 00:59:54.820
Uh,

2518
00:59:55.219 --> 00:59:55.459
the,

2519
00:59:55.540 --> 00:59:58.419
the technology that they have to track,

2520
00:59:58.500 --> 00:59:59.250
surveil,

2521
00:59:59.429 --> 00:59:59.729
to,

2522
00:59:59.820 --> 00:59:59.969
uh,

2523
01:00:00.020 --> 01:00:01.439
remotely kill people

2524
01:00:01.620 --> 01:00:02.500
would be absurd.

2525
01:00:02.580 --> 01:00:02.780
I mean,

2526
01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:04.929
I guess we could do some sort of guerrilla warfare,

2527
01:00:05.010 --> 01:00:06.260
but this is American territory.

2528
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:07.570
It wouldn't go down like Vietnam,

2529
01:00:07.649 --> 01:00:07.820
you know,

2530
01:00:07.929 --> 01:00:08.860
like we know where we are,

2531
01:00:08.899 --> 01:00:09.620
we know where we're going.

2532
01:00:09.929 --> 01:00:10.679
It's just this is actually,

2533
01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:11.510
this is a fantastic point,

2534
01:00:11.580 --> 01:00:11.830
by the way,

2535
01:00:11.929 --> 01:00:13.979
and this gets into what's known as the generations.

2536
01:00:14.104 --> 01:00:14.604
Warfare.

2537
01:00:15.064 --> 01:00:16.504
So the earliest generation of warfare,

2538
01:00:16.534 --> 01:00:17.764
obviously is a guy punching a guy

2539
01:00:18.064 --> 01:00:19.205
as we got into,

2540
01:00:19.504 --> 01:00:19.875
uh,

2541
01:00:19.985 --> 01:00:20.064
you know,

2542
01:00:20.145 --> 01:00:20.864
the 1700s,

2543
01:00:20.945 --> 01:00:21.044
well,

2544
01:00:21.104 --> 01:00:21.975
maybe even before then,

2545
01:00:22.185 --> 01:00:24.764
you get field battles and drums and trumpets and this,

2546
01:00:24.784 --> 01:00:24.824
they,

2547
01:00:24.905 --> 01:00:25.024
they,

2548
01:00:25.034 --> 01:00:26.745
they refer to this largely as like 3rd generation.

2549
01:00:26.864 --> 01:00:29.145
4th generation is what they refer to as insurgency,

2550
01:00:29.185 --> 01:00:29.584
terror,

2551
01:00:29.774 --> 01:00:31.524
guerrilla warfare tactics which we saw

2552
01:00:31.824 --> 01:00:33.665
famously people bring up during the American Revolution.

2553
01:00:34.100 --> 01:00:37.219
Many people refer to the period we're now in as 5th generational warfare,

2554
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:37.500
and the,

2555
01:00:37.540 --> 01:00:38.169
the question is,

2556
01:00:38.179 --> 01:00:39.729
what is the purpose of conflict?

2557
01:00:39.939 --> 01:00:41.189
And it's to typically,

2558
01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:41.659
not always,

2559
01:00:41.739 --> 01:00:44.489
but to gain control of resources or a political group.

2560
01:00:44.739 --> 01:00:46.399
Usually it's to gain control of something,

2561
01:00:46.620 --> 01:00:48.989
and it could be for ideological reasons or economic reasons.

2562
01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:50.209
What we're witnessing now,

2563
01:00:50.290 --> 01:00:50.820
which what I,

2564
01:00:50.899 --> 01:00:52.969
I would say maybe we're not going to have a

2565
01:00:52.969 --> 01:00:54.780
what's called a hot civil war but remain cold,

2566
01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:56.780
is the use of information technology for the

2567
01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:59.020
purpose of controlling populations like you've described.

2568
01:00:59.340 --> 01:00:59.679
So

2569
01:00:59.780 --> 01:00:59.989
for the,

2570
01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:00.959
in the broader picture.

2571
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.830
I would argue that what we are seeing now

2572
01:01:02.830 --> 01:01:06.590
with TikTok and Instagram may actually stop kinetic conflict,

2573
01:01:06.669 --> 01:01:07.929
which would be people shooting each other,

2574
01:01:08.110 --> 01:01:10.909
and we may actually just end up with people being brainwashed and,

2575
01:01:10.979 --> 01:01:11.110
you know,

2576
01:01:11.179 --> 01:01:12.280
waving Israeli flags or something.

2577
01:01:12.370 --> 01:01:12.409
Well,

2578
01:01:12.469 --> 01:01:12.629
I mean,

2579
01:01:12.709 --> 01:01:12.870
we're,

2580
01:01:13.020 --> 01:01:14.189
we're already kind of there.

2581
01:01:14.270 --> 01:01:14.510
I mean,

2582
01:01:14.550 --> 01:01:14.929
like

2583
01:01:15.070 --> 01:01:16.780
Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are,

2584
01:01:16.899 --> 01:01:17.110
you know,

2585
01:01:17.189 --> 01:01:18.669
the two most powerful tech dudes,

2586
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.290
and even Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos to some degree,

2587
01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:24.179
they're in Trump's pocket or maybe Trump is in theirs,

2588
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:24.810
um,

2589
01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:25.649
and

2590
01:01:25.989 --> 01:01:26.669
there's just.

2591
01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:27.550
You know,

2592
01:01:27.899 --> 01:01:32.169
online there really isn't a way for the left to meaningfully take control,

2593
01:01:32.270 --> 01:01:32.850
not in a,

2594
01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:34.060
a real sense.

2595
01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:34.679
I just,

2596
01:01:35.139 --> 01:01:35.939
I think that yes,

2597
01:01:36.020 --> 01:01:37.620
the country will continue to get polarized,

2598
01:01:37.699 --> 01:01:39.600
but will we have a civil war?

2599
01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:40.340
No.

2600
01:01:40.540 --> 01:01:41.510
pause here.

2601
01:01:41.620 --> 01:01:42.020
Thank you.

2602
01:01:42.100 --> 01:01:43.179
You've been voted out by the majority.

2603
01:01:43.419 --> 01:01:44.020
good thank you.

2604
01:01:47.889 --> 01:01:48.010
Alright,

2605
01:01:48.090 --> 01:01:49.290
if you'd like to be the next debater,

2606
01:01:49.449 --> 01:01:53.300
please head to the chair in 321.

2607
01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:55.810
Hello

2608
01:01:57.459 --> 01:01:59.879
When January 6th happened,

2609
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:03.479
I actually thought we were headed towards the Civil war then I thought,

2610
01:02:03.620 --> 01:02:04.300
oh my God,

2611
01:02:04.379 --> 01:02:05.260
this is really

2612
01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:05.879
bad

2613
01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:07.739
and um,

2614
01:02:07.780 --> 01:02:12.040
so much so that what ended up happening is that gun sales

2615
01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:13.439
increased

2616
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:15.290
predominantly on the left because

2617
01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:17.100
they were so afraid of what was gonna.

2618
01:02:17.364 --> 01:02:17.945
Happen

2619
01:02:18.165 --> 01:02:20.945
and we had been seeing documentaries and

2620
01:02:21.165 --> 01:02:25.044
um you know news networks talking about the far right extremists who

2621
01:02:25.044 --> 01:02:28.905
were already training with like AR fifteens and things like that that were

2622
01:02:29.385 --> 01:02:30.544
attempting to

2623
01:02:30.834 --> 01:02:32.354
potentially start a coup

2624
01:02:32.604 --> 01:02:33.425
and so

2625
01:02:33.685 --> 01:02:37.205
if we were talking back then I would actually agree with you.

2626
01:02:37.669 --> 01:02:39.409
The reason I disagree with you now

2627
01:02:39.709 --> 01:02:45.790
is because we don't have a um a faction of the left

2628
01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:52.040
that is nearly as uh violently motivated as the right is

2629
01:02:52.389 --> 01:02:52.689
so

2630
01:02:52.790 --> 01:02:55.639
if we were to talk about a hypothetical civil war,

2631
01:02:55.870 --> 01:03:00.070
then I would argue the far right would start it specifically because of what.

2632
01:03:00.185 --> 01:03:01.665
You just said you said

2633
01:03:01.824 --> 01:03:03.905
that you would like to re-elect Trump,

2634
01:03:03.985 --> 01:03:05.084
that you would vote for him

2635
01:03:05.294 --> 01:03:06.094
for a third

2636
01:03:06.354 --> 01:03:06.804
time,

2637
01:03:07.175 --> 01:03:08.024
but you didn't say Vance,

2638
01:03:08.104 --> 01:03:08.655
you said Trump,

2639
01:03:08.745 --> 01:03:08.875
right?

2640
01:03:09.385 --> 01:03:10.064
And I think,

2641
01:03:10.145 --> 01:03:11.205
and I think

2642
01:03:11.514 --> 01:03:14.364
that goes down to the ideology of

2643
01:03:14.864 --> 01:03:17.425
again your argument around the Constitution.

2644
01:03:17.824 --> 01:03:18.145
He,

2645
01:03:18.945 --> 01:03:22.625
there is a faction of MAGA that wants him to run again.

2646
01:03:22.949 --> 01:03:27.219
And skirt the constitution so that MAGA can stay in power.

2647
01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:28.179
I think

2648
01:03:28.439 --> 01:03:29.739
in a hypothetical

2649
01:03:30.209 --> 01:03:32.120
that would lead towards a civil war

2650
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:33.530
and so,

2651
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:33.969
OK,

2652
01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:38.100
but people like yourself who continue to spew this type of rhetoric of

2653
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:39.199
is it gonna happen?

2654
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:40.239
Is it gonna happen?

2655
01:03:40.699 --> 01:03:42.060
I think you're want it to happen.

2656
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:43.290
I think you're exaggerating the,

2657
01:03:43.379 --> 01:03:44.419
the things that I've said about it.

2658
01:03:44.540 --> 01:03:44.639
I mean,

2659
01:03:44.699 --> 01:03:46.719
I think that last conversation was absolutely fantastic everything

2660
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:48.209
that you talked about is online and people,

2661
01:03:48.219 --> 01:03:48.540
so I think,

2662
01:03:48.659 --> 01:03:48.939
I think,

2663
01:03:49.129 --> 01:03:51.129
I think I've interviewed national security experts to ask

2664
01:03:51.129 --> 01:03:53.179
them if they think this is going to happen

2665
01:03:53.419 --> 01:03:56.159
when you have one gentleman saying yes and it's my fault.

2666
01:03:56.620 --> 01:03:56.820
I,

2667
01:03:56.939 --> 01:03:57.020
I,

2668
01:03:57.100 --> 01:03:57.820
he doesn't have to like me.

2669
01:03:57.899 --> 01:03:59.320
You don't have to like my opinions or what I do.

2670
01:03:59.620 --> 01:04:01.520
But I think when you also say that

2671
01:04:01.899 --> 01:04:03.689
when MAGA wants to elect Trump for a 3rd time,

2672
01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:04.540
you are correct,

2673
01:04:04.620 --> 01:04:04.929
they do.

2674
01:04:04.979 --> 01:04:05.169
And I,

2675
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.399
I also agree this is going to create an untenable situation for the country

2676
01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.239
that I don't believe progressives or Democrats will accept.

2677
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.739
I don't see Trump and his base backing down,

2678
01:04:13.820 --> 01:04:14.939
and I don't see the,

2679
01:04:15.020 --> 01:04:15.169
the,

2680
01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:15.530
the left,

2681
01:04:15.570 --> 01:04:15.899
liberals,

2682
01:04:16.129 --> 01:04:16.260
Democrats,

2683
01:04:16.270 --> 01:04:16.760
or otherwise

2684
01:04:17.250 --> 01:04:17.780
agreeing to back down.

2685
01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:18.760
It's a simple question.

2686
01:04:19.100 --> 01:04:21.320
Would anyone in this room sit back as Trump

2687
01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:23.040
seized a third term in power?

2688
01:04:23.750 --> 01:04:23.870
They,

2689
01:04:23.949 --> 01:04:24.909
I don't think they would do it.

2690
01:04:25.270 --> 01:04:25.540
So you,

2691
01:04:25.590 --> 01:04:25.709
you,

2692
01:04:25.790 --> 01:04:27.139
you can have a fascist takeover,

2693
01:04:27.149 --> 01:04:27.860
a revolution,

2694
01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:29.709
or you can have a civil war if this is the case,

2695
01:04:29.790 --> 01:04:31.159
and I hope to God it's not,

2696
01:04:31.350 --> 01:04:32.110
because you know what I'd prefer?

2697
01:04:32.270 --> 01:04:33.149
I'd prefer to watch the,

2698
01:04:33.229 --> 01:04:33.340
the,

2699
01:04:33.389 --> 01:04:33.659
the,

2700
01:04:33.709 --> 01:04:35.350
the soccer match and have some chicken wings.

2701
01:04:35.389 --> 01:04:35.590
I don't,

2702
01:04:35.669 --> 01:04:36.129
I don't wanna

2703
01:04:36.510 --> 01:04:37.649
deal with conflict crisis.

2704
01:04:37.909 --> 01:04:39.070
I don't like having to live in a,

2705
01:04:39.429 --> 01:04:39.550
you know,

2706
01:04:39.629 --> 01:04:41.330
I have multiple bodyguards with me today.

2707
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:42.219
I have to,

2708
01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:42.479
I,

2709
01:04:42.580 --> 01:04:44.699
I have to have people standing outside of my house because we got,

2710
01:04:44.919 --> 01:04:46.260
I got you scared of the progressives in here?

2711
01:04:46.350 --> 01:04:47.550
I'm not scared of anybody in here actually.

2712
01:04:47.659 --> 01:04:49.610
I think you guys have been absolutely lovely,

2713
01:04:49.659 --> 01:04:50.820
but there are lunatics.

2714
01:04:50.979 --> 01:04:51.860
In December of last year,

2715
01:04:51.979 --> 01:04:53.939
someone drove by my property and opened fire on,

2716
01:04:54.010 --> 01:04:54.149
on,

2717
01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:54.949
on our buildings,

2718
01:04:55.419 --> 01:04:55.820
and I,

2719
01:04:55.939 --> 01:04:56.060
I,

2720
01:04:56.139 --> 01:04:57.340
you're gonna blame that on the left too.

2721
01:04:57.459 --> 01:04:57.699
I'm,

2722
01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:58.860
it was a left aligned.

2723
01:04:58.959 --> 01:04:59.840
Individual who did it,

2724
01:04:59.959 --> 01:05:00.350
but I mean,

2725
01:05:00.399 --> 01:05:02.120
I'm not blaming you guys for doing it,

2726
01:05:02.149 --> 01:05:03.679
and I certainly would acknowledge that there are people on

2727
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.159
the right who engage in violence all the same.

2728
01:05:05.479 --> 01:05:07.560
What I'm saying is I don't want you to be in fear,

2729
01:05:07.699 --> 01:05:07.830
uh,

2730
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:08.820
in fear of your life.

2731
01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:10.340
I don't want to be in fear of my life.

2732
01:05:10.520 --> 01:05:11.159
I prefer this.

2733
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:12.669
This is you guys have been absolutely awesome.

2734
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:13.280
We disagree.

2735
01:05:13.439 --> 01:05:14.310
I mean that guy really hates me,

2736
01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:14.679
but I got,

2737
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.120
I don't want him hurt or anything like that.

2738
01:05:16.459 --> 01:05:17.979
I don't want to live in a country where people

2739
01:05:17.979 --> 01:05:20.100
are attacking each other without trying to understand each other,

2740
01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:20.419
right,

2741
01:05:20.540 --> 01:05:23.620
but the rhetoric that you're spewing is leading towards that.

2742
01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:25.250
You want Trump again,

2743
01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:28.679
which means the rhetoric that you're spewing online,

2744
01:05:28.780 --> 01:05:31.360
the political commentary that you're spewing online,

2745
01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:32.649
is teasing it.

2746
01:05:32.729 --> 01:05:33.620
It's like it's like,

2747
01:05:33.830 --> 01:05:34.129
will they,

2748
01:05:34.219 --> 01:05:34.530
won't they,

2749
01:05:34.580 --> 01:05:34.810
will they,

2750
01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:35.159
won't they?

2751
01:05:35.169 --> 01:05:35.379
I don't want.

2752
01:05:35.534 --> 01:05:36.614
Donald Trump for a third term,

2753
01:05:37.225 --> 01:05:37.465
but I,

2754
01:05:37.524 --> 01:05:37.784
I would,

2755
01:05:37.905 --> 01:05:37.945
I,

2756
01:05:38.145 --> 01:05:38.824
I would prefer,

2757
01:05:38.995 --> 01:05:39.145
uh,

2758
01:05:39.264 --> 01:05:39.425
you know,

2759
01:05:39.665 --> 01:05:40.264
JD Vance,

2760
01:05:40.534 --> 01:05:41.425
maybe Rubio,

2761
01:05:41.745 --> 01:05:42.165
but

2762
01:05:43.344 --> 01:05:43.814
and indeed,

2763
01:05:43.824 --> 01:05:47.544
and understand that Trump won the plurality of the vote in 2024 and

2764
01:05:47.544 --> 01:05:49.864
he has a large support base despite his polls being very low.

2765
01:05:49.935 --> 01:05:50.465
He does,

2766
01:05:50.784 --> 01:05:54.504
and we'll see what happens with the Republican Party in 2026 and 20208.

2767
01:05:54.889 --> 01:05:56.199
But you can't just

2768
01:05:56.419 --> 01:06:00.520
wish away the existence of a polar of a of a another political faction

2769
01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:02.479
with a polarized worldview compared to yours.

2770
01:06:02.620 --> 01:06:04.080
I do not see a reality

2771
01:06:04.340 --> 01:06:06.820
where Republicans accept the worldview of the of the

2772
01:06:06.820 --> 01:06:09.219
progressives who are gaining ground in multiple places,

2773
01:06:09.459 --> 01:06:10.370
namely in New York,

2774
01:06:10.550 --> 01:06:12.280
and I don't see the progressives accepting

2775
01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:12.620
the,

2776
01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:12.820
the,

2777
01:06:12.899 --> 01:06:14.550
the Trump worldview as you've described it.

2778
01:06:14.620 --> 01:06:18.239
And the reason that we're not going to accept it is because people

2779
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.239
like you and the reason we don't accept it is people like it.

2780
01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:24.679
If you'd like to be the next debater,

2781
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.919
please head to the chair in 321.

2782
01:06:30.290 --> 01:06:30.800
Nice to meet you.

2783
01:06:30.929 --> 01:06:31.219
Nice to meet you,

2784
01:06:31.330 --> 01:06:31.770
Jeremiah.

2785
01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:33.100
OK,

2786
01:06:33.330 --> 01:06:35.689
so we know that the USA is very resilient,

2787
01:06:35.850 --> 01:06:36.169
right?

2788
01:06:36.530 --> 01:06:37.729
We've weathered so much.

2789
01:06:37.969 --> 01:06:38.909
So we've weathered,

2790
01:06:38.969 --> 01:06:39.449
we've stayed in,

2791
01:06:39.570 --> 01:06:40.409
we've stayed intact,

2792
01:06:40.489 --> 01:06:41.270
and we weathered,

2793
01:06:41.570 --> 01:06:41.800
um,

2794
01:06:41.879 --> 01:06:43.169
1968 riots,

2795
01:06:43.409 --> 01:06:44.270
McCarthyism.

2796
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:45.560
Um,

2797
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:46.239
what else?

2798
01:06:46.429 --> 01:06:47.659
Civil rights era,

2799
01:06:47.879 --> 01:06:48.310
um,

2800
01:06:48.750 --> 01:06:49.159
civil war,

2801
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:50.000
so,

2802
01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:51.679
but the thing is we stayed intact,

2803
01:06:51.879 --> 01:06:52.270
right?

2804
01:06:52.439 --> 01:06:52.820
So

2805
01:06:53.120 --> 01:06:53.959
my thing is,

2806
01:06:54.070 --> 01:06:54.699
is that

2807
01:06:55.040 --> 01:06:56.629
we can have polarizing views,

2808
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.159
right,

2809
01:06:57.439 --> 01:06:57.800
but

2810
01:06:58.040 --> 01:07:00.000
nothing that we're dealing with right now is as

2811
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.280
intense as anything we've that I've just mentioned,

2812
01:07:02.510 --> 01:07:04.439
and none of those things led to a civil war,

2813
01:07:04.580 --> 01:07:05.080
so I'm.

2814
01:07:05.185 --> 01:07:07.364
Unless the right plans to enslave the left,

2815
01:07:07.814 --> 01:07:08.125
where,

2816
01:07:08.264 --> 01:07:09.405
how are we gonna have a civil war?

2817
01:07:09.705 --> 01:07:10.915
So one example that I often cite,

2818
01:07:10.975 --> 01:07:11.854
which I don't know that,

2819
01:07:11.945 --> 01:07:12.094
you know,

2820
01:07:12.324 --> 01:07:12.375
a,

2821
01:07:12.544 --> 01:07:13.645
a lot of this is probabilistic,

2822
01:07:13.895 --> 01:07:14.054
uh,

2823
01:07:14.185 --> 01:07:14.195
I,

2824
01:07:14.304 --> 01:07:15.735
I like to use Colorado as an example.

2825
01:07:16.145 --> 01:07:18.425
Colorado allows for abortion up to the point of birth,

2826
01:07:18.504 --> 01:07:19.104
the woman's discretion,

2827
01:07:19.195 --> 01:07:20.094
but Oklahoma bans it,

2828
01:07:20.104 --> 01:07:21.044
and they share a border.

2829
01:07:21.584 --> 01:07:25.445
So you have a potential for conflict in that regard because if a woman is with a man.

2830
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:28.149
And she's 7 or 8 months pregnant and she decides

2831
01:07:28.149 --> 01:07:29.780
to get an abortion in Colorado where it's legal,

2832
01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:31.360
the state will try to stop her.

2833
01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:33.679
We have already had an instance where I'm not sure it was a Southern state,

2834
01:07:33.729 --> 01:07:35.709
it might have been Mississippi or Alabama where they accused,

2835
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:35.840
they,

2836
01:07:35.919 --> 01:07:36.239
they charged,

2837
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:37.780
I believe they attempted to charge a woman

2838
01:07:38.050 --> 01:07:40.610
with conspiracy to commit abortion by fleeing the state.

2839
01:07:40.879 --> 01:07:44.300
And so the issue that arises is at the ground level when a man says.

2840
01:07:44.860 --> 01:07:47.040
You are taking my child to be murdered and the woman says,

2841
01:07:47.219 --> 01:07:47.340
no,

2842
01:07:47.419 --> 01:07:47.620
it's a,

2843
01:07:47.699 --> 01:07:47.830
it's,

2844
01:07:47.879 --> 01:07:48.340
it's a fetus.

2845
01:07:48.350 --> 01:07:49.229
I'm getting an abortion,

2846
01:07:49.370 --> 01:07:51.389
and this results in people on the ground

2847
01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:54.169
traveling between jurisdictions with different laws,

2848
01:07:54.260 --> 01:07:56.459
which creates a problem for Colorado and a problem

2849
01:07:56.459 --> 01:07:58.260
for Oklahoma which probably don't want to fight.

2850
01:07:58.300 --> 01:07:59.580
So but what I'm saying is that if,

2851
01:07:59.659 --> 01:07:59.979
if you,

2852
01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:01.360
you're saying the nation would fight,

2853
01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:04.010
we don't even see internal fights within the states,

2854
01:08:04.060 --> 01:08:05.239
like separate states.

2855
01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:08.060
I would think that we would see that first before we'd see the nation.

2856
01:08:08.702 --> 01:08:08.822
Well,

2857
01:08:08.863 --> 01:08:12.452
we saw in Texas when the Biden administration deployed uh federal,

2858
01:08:12.623 --> 01:08:15.103
federal police and the Texas National Guard came and they

2859
01:08:15.103 --> 01:08:18.203
were actually in dispute over the concertina wire on the border

2860
01:08:18.502 --> 01:08:20.652
because Texas doesn't have the constitutional authority to deport.

2861
01:08:20.982 --> 01:08:23.582
They sent out their state National Guard in defiance and we

2862
01:08:23.582 --> 01:08:26.453
of the federal overreach here in California when Trump did that,

2863
01:08:26.662 --> 01:08:27.002
um,

2864
01:08:27.062 --> 01:08:28.683
overreaching sending the Marines.

2865
01:08:28.783 --> 01:08:29.283
But guess what?

2866
01:08:29.402 --> 01:08:31.402
But the thing is military hasn't defected.

2867
01:08:31.625 --> 01:08:33.456
The claim is that we are tracking towards one,

2868
01:08:33.465 --> 01:08:35.055
and I think that's an academic claim,

2869
01:08:35.386 --> 01:08:37.496
but it's also possible we have a revolution tracking,

2870
01:08:37.746 --> 01:08:39.564
tracking like in 1100 years,

2871
01:08:39.774 --> 01:08:39.895
like,

2872
01:08:39.904 --> 01:08:39.944
no,

2873
01:08:39.984 --> 01:08:40.055
no,

2874
01:08:40.104 --> 01:08:40.145
no,

2875
01:08:40.265 --> 01:08:43.005
tracking means that what we have seen over the past 10 years

2876
01:08:43.225 --> 01:08:45.305
historically runs parallel to other stories that have

2877
01:08:45.305 --> 01:08:47.246
culminated in civil war but don't always.

2878
01:08:47.585 --> 01:08:49.154
So that's why academics say today's period in

2879
01:08:49.154 --> 01:08:50.335
the United States is called civil strife.

2880
01:08:50.746 --> 01:08:51.076
the civil,

2881
01:08:51.145 --> 01:08:52.465
the civil rights era was civil strife as well.

2882
01:08:52.524 --> 01:08:53.175
We're gonna pause here.

2883
01:08:53.404 --> 01:08:54.805
I think you've been voted out in the majority.

2884
01:08:59.649 --> 01:09:00.979
If you'd like to be the next debater,

2885
01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:04.819
please head to the chair in 321.

2886
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:06.640
Welcome.

2887
01:09:06.759 --> 01:09:06.919
Hi,

2888
01:09:07.120 --> 01:09:07.560
nice jacket.

2889
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:07.790
Hi,

2890
01:09:07.910 --> 01:09:08.410
thank you.

2891
01:09:09.069 --> 01:09:11.160
When you say that the US is heading towards civil war,

2892
01:09:11.270 --> 01:09:11.520
um,

2893
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.720
I fundamentally disagree with this claim because I think

2894
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.080
that for any country to go through civil war,

2895
01:09:15.240 --> 01:09:16.430
3 key things need to happen.

2896
01:09:16.799 --> 01:09:18.459
The first is geographic fracture.

2897
01:09:18.879 --> 01:09:21.140
The second is the military defecting,

2898
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:22.919
and the third is institutional collapse,

2899
01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:24.350
none of which we see in the United States.

2900
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:24.470
Well,

2901
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:24.629
let,

2902
01:09:24.750 --> 01:09:25.959
let's address the claim number 1.

2903
01:09:26.240 --> 01:09:28.660
We actually have seen massive internal migration from,

2904
01:09:28.709 --> 01:09:28.870
uh,

2905
01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:30.870
blue states to red states and red states to blue states.

2906
01:09:31.160 --> 01:09:33.049
So the geographic hyper polarization absolutely is happening.

2907
01:09:33.120 --> 01:09:33.950
I didn't say polarization.

2908
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.120
I said geographic fracture.

2909
01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:36.009
There are plenty,

2910
01:09:36.129 --> 01:09:38.310
there are plenty of blue cities in red states,

2911
01:09:39.089 --> 01:09:40.089
so where's the fracture?

2912
01:09:40.649 --> 01:09:41.049
Has anybody,

2913
01:09:41.169 --> 01:09:41.279
has,

2914
01:09:41.370 --> 01:09:41.689
has any,

2915
01:09:41.850 --> 01:09:43.149
has any state tried to secede?

2916
01:09:43.639 --> 01:09:44.038
There have been,

2917
01:09:44.158 --> 01:09:45.938
there have been instances of states trying to secede from themselves,

2918
01:09:46.758 --> 01:09:47.118
not really,

2919
01:09:47.278 --> 01:09:47.398
no.

2920
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:47.559
What,

2921
01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:48.198
what you are in,

2922
01:09:48.229 --> 01:09:48.679
in eastern,

2923
01:09:48.798 --> 01:09:49.639
which states are trying to secede?

2924
01:09:49.667 --> 01:09:50.877
Northern California is trying to secede.

2925
01:09:50.948 --> 01:09:52.158
You've got Eastern Oregon trying to secede.

2926
01:09:52.258 --> 01:09:52.318
No,

2927
01:09:52.457 --> 01:09:52.469
no,

2928
01:09:52.519 --> 01:09:52.528
no.

2929
01:09:52.538 --> 01:09:52.758
You've got,

2930
01:09:52.877 --> 01:09:53.038
you got,

2931
01:09:53.269 --> 01:09:54.519
you got a district what I'm what I mean,

2932
01:09:54.639 --> 01:09:55.519
what I mean secede is not,

2933
01:09:55.559 --> 01:09:57.039
are people wanting it to happen.

2934
01:09:57.048 --> 01:09:58.738
Is there a little bit of a movement going on?

2935
01:09:58.798 --> 01:10:00.548
Is there mass voting for a state to secede?

2936
01:10:00.559 --> 01:10:00.648
No,

2937
01:10:00.708 --> 01:10:00.918
there's not.

2938
01:10:00.958 --> 01:10:01.559
The state of Jefferson,

2939
01:10:01.599 --> 01:10:02.039
are you familiar?

2940
01:10:02.128 --> 01:10:02.139
No,

2941
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:02.999
there's and greater Idaho.

2942
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:03.608
Did it happen?

2943
01:10:03.918 --> 01:10:04.008
They,

2944
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:04.269
they're,

2945
01:10:04.358 --> 01:10:04.579
they're,

2946
01:10:04.798 --> 01:10:05.238
it doesn't happen.

2947
01:10:05.429 --> 01:10:06.568
I believe we had 2 counties.

2948
01:10:06.878 --> 01:10:07.088
Hold on,

2949
01:10:07.108 --> 01:10:07.469
hold on.

2950
01:10:07.639 --> 01:10:08.358
If you don't know this,

2951
01:10:08.438 --> 01:10:09.159
don't just say you don't.

2952
01:10:09.358 --> 01:10:12.519
Eastern Oregon had 2 counties voting to secede from the state to join Idaho.

2953
01:10:12.599 --> 01:10:13.219
Did it happen?

2954
01:10:13.629 --> 01:10:13.799
It,

2955
01:10:13.870 --> 01:10:14.220
it did not.

2956
01:10:14.290 --> 01:10:14.810
It does not happen,

2957
01:10:14.939 --> 01:10:15.020
no,

2958
01:10:15.390 --> 01:10:15.399
because,

2959
01:10:15.549 --> 01:10:17.729
but whether it did or didn't happen in the in this country,

2960
01:10:17.779 --> 01:10:18.779
people trying to make it happen.

2961
01:10:18.819 --> 01:10:19.939
We're extremely polarized in this.

2962
01:10:20.209 --> 01:10:21.830
Maryland tried to secede geographic fraction.

2963
01:10:21.910 --> 01:10:24.029
Western Maryland voted to join West Virginia.

2964
01:10:24.270 --> 01:10:24.750
People tried.

2965
01:10:24.830 --> 01:10:25.189
People tried.

2966
01:10:25.270 --> 01:10:25.959
It doesn't happen.

2967
01:10:26.109 --> 01:10:26.509
I understand.

2968
01:10:26.589 --> 01:10:27.689
I think a lot of people

2969
01:10:28.069 --> 01:10:29.390
look at American history and,

2970
01:10:29.470 --> 01:10:31.660
and then believe all civil wars happen in this context.

2971
01:10:31.740 --> 01:10:31.990
But in fact,

2972
01:10:32.029 --> 01:10:33.930
the United States is unique in this regard

2973
01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:34.750
and that we are,

2974
01:10:34.910 --> 01:10:35.140
we are,

2975
01:10:35.189 --> 01:10:35.529
we were,

2976
01:10:35.629 --> 01:10:37.209
we were positioned for civil war

2977
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:37.669
because.

2978
01:10:37.790 --> 01:10:39.729
You had state jurisdictions with

2979
01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:42.649
great authority that were in defiance of the federal government.

2980
01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:43.149
You,

2981
01:10:43.310 --> 01:10:44.779
you use this rhetoric a lot and it's very,

2982
01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:46.430
very dangerous to use this rhetoric because it gets

2983
01:10:46.430 --> 01:10:47.830
people up in arms and gets people rallied up.

2984
01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:49.620
This kind of rhetoric is the same kind of rhetoric

2985
01:10:49.620 --> 01:10:51.740
that Donald Trump uses to rally up right-wing conservatives.

2986
01:10:51.990 --> 01:10:53.990
This is so dangerous that there are only

2987
01:10:53.990 --> 01:10:55.830
two possibilities for why somebody would say this.

2988
01:10:55.990 --> 01:10:58.410
Either they're blatantly exaggerating and grifting for money,

2989
01:10:58.939 --> 01:10:59.370
or,

2990
01:10:59.609 --> 01:11:00.049
or

2991
01:11:00.189 --> 01:11:01.830
they genuinely believe what they say and they don't.

2992
01:11:02.060 --> 01:11:02.189
Know,

2993
01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:04.430
and they don't give their audience the 20 seconds of

2994
01:11:04.430 --> 01:11:06.290
respect on Google it would take to learn otherwise.

2995
01:11:06.790 --> 01:11:08.529
The US is not heading toward a civil war.

2996
01:11:08.790 --> 01:11:10.910
There's clearly more than what's happening.

2997
01:11:11.189 --> 01:11:13.169
There's clearly more than 2

2998
01:11:13.669 --> 01:11:14.979
reasons why someone would say these things,

2999
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:15.270
there's not.

3000
01:11:15.609 --> 01:11:15.620
And,

3001
01:11:15.759 --> 01:11:16.060
and,

3002
01:11:16.109 --> 01:11:18.979
and that's being intentionally derisive and not and not informing anybody.

3003
01:11:19.100 --> 01:11:19.169
It's,

3004
01:11:19.189 --> 01:11:20.750
it's the truth because we're not heading towards a civil war.

3005
01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:22.620
I'm telling you pause it here.

3006
01:11:22.830 --> 01:11:23.720
We're out of time.

3007
01:11:24.069 --> 01:11:24.419
All right.

3008
01:11:24.830 --> 01:11:24.839
Well,

3009
01:11:24.899 --> 01:11:25.350
it was good talking to you.

3010
01:11:25.419 --> 01:11:25.990
Nice to meet you.

3011
01:11:31.330 --> 01:11:32.569
My final surrounding claim

3012
01:11:32.850 --> 01:11:35.490
is that the Constitution effectively does not exist anymore.

3013
01:11:36.470 --> 01:11:37.720
If you'd like to be the first debater,

3014
01:11:37.839 --> 01:11:41.410
please head to the chair in 321.

3015
01:11:43.689 --> 01:11:44.250
Nice to meet you.

3016
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:44.649
Nice to meet you.

3017
01:11:44.790 --> 01:11:44.970
Doing well,

3018
01:11:45.089 --> 01:11:45.370
going well.

3019
01:11:45.529 --> 01:11:46.029
So

3020
01:11:46.689 --> 01:11:48.169
what is the purpose of the claim?

3021
01:11:48.890 --> 01:11:49.229
So,

3022
01:11:49.290 --> 01:11:49.390
uh,

3023
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:51.240
the first question is what is a constitution.

3024
01:11:51.330 --> 01:11:52.169
The constitution,

3025
01:11:52.290 --> 01:11:52.569
it,

3026
01:11:52.649 --> 01:11:55.069
it actually refers to what constitutes a body politic.

3027
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:56.129
As of right now,

3028
01:11:56.169 --> 01:11:57.490
I would make the argument that first,

3029
01:11:57.569 --> 01:11:58.930
what is known to most people,

3030
01:11:59.009 --> 01:12:01.169
the interpretation of the Constitution dramatically has

3031
01:12:01.169 --> 01:12:02.790
changed over the past several 100 years,

3032
01:12:03.129 --> 01:12:04.089
not just with amendments,

3033
01:12:04.129 --> 01:12:05.330
but with the language itself.

3034
01:12:05.410 --> 01:12:05.689
Though

3035
01:12:05.890 --> 01:12:08.160
many people might argue they're originalists,

3036
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:09.459
some might say they're textualists,

3037
01:12:09.529 --> 01:12:11.089
it doesn't even matter if they claim those things

3038
01:12:11.089 --> 01:12:12.549
because their view of the Constitution has changed.

3039
01:12:12.810 --> 01:12:13.250
As of today,

3040
01:12:13.330 --> 01:12:16.240
there's actually two distinct large body politics,

3041
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:17.089
if that's the way you say it.

3042
01:12:17.509 --> 01:12:18.729
And they do not agree

3043
01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:20.709
on the interpretation of the Constitution.

3044
01:12:20.790 --> 01:12:21.330
Thus

3045
01:12:21.669 --> 01:12:24.069
we are seeing claims the Supreme Court is no longer legitimate.

3046
01:12:24.229 --> 01:12:25.379
We've seen that for some time now.

3047
01:12:25.589 --> 01:12:25.830
We've seen,

3048
01:12:26.049 --> 01:12:28.649
we see Republicans angry with Amy Coney Barrett and,

3049
01:12:28.660 --> 01:12:28.939
uh,

3050
01:12:28.950 --> 01:12:30.379
and Kavanaugh over their rulings,

3051
01:12:30.669 --> 01:12:31.649
and we're now hearing,

3052
01:12:31.660 --> 01:12:31.750
uh,

3053
01:12:31.759 --> 01:12:32.129
uh,

3054
01:12:32.490 --> 01:12:34.529
arguments that politicians should just ignore the

3055
01:12:34.529 --> 01:12:36.419
Constitution outright or or the Supreme Court.

3056
01:12:36.430 --> 01:12:36.669
I'm sorry,

3057
01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:37.529
in this capacity,

3058
01:12:37.740 --> 01:12:39.729
even though this would violate the Constitution.

3059
01:12:39.990 --> 01:12:41.830
But that wouldn't necessarily work because if

3060
01:12:41.830 --> 01:12:43.419
the founding fathers were creating the document,

3061
01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:46.189
they knew that this was going to continuously progress because they believe.

3062
01:12:46.533 --> 01:12:48.163
In the modernization of the United States

3063
01:12:48.163 --> 01:12:49.882
that was going to continuously go forward.

3064
01:12:50.083 --> 01:12:52.152
That's why you had Lincoln making the Reconstruction

3065
01:12:52.152 --> 01:12:54.522
era amendments and even the progressive era amendments

3066
01:12:54.632 --> 01:12:56.402
like the 16th Amendment with the income tax,

3067
01:12:56.482 --> 01:12:57.272
the 17th Amendment.

3068
01:12:57.312 --> 01:12:58.042
We're not arguing amendments,

3069
01:12:58.083 --> 01:12:59.002
but what I'm saying is,

3070
01:12:59.042 --> 01:13:02.163
is that the Constitution has always been able to progress and change.

3071
01:13:02.203 --> 01:13:04.862
If you're looking for the issues when it comes to the Supreme Court

3072
01:13:05.243 --> 01:13:06.712
and what everybody else believes,

3073
01:13:06.723 --> 01:13:08.283
that happens on the left and on the right.

3074
01:13:08.393 --> 01:13:10.583
Everyone has the disagreements when it comes to the Supreme Court,

3075
01:13:10.962 --> 01:13:13.022
but the problem is when you look at the Trump administration,

3076
01:13:13.272 --> 01:13:15.083
what they're currently doing right now is making.

3077
01:13:15.215 --> 01:13:18.085
Executive orders saying that they're going to ask

3078
01:13:18.085 --> 01:13:19.895
questions about the 14th Amendment when the reality

3079
01:13:19.895 --> 01:13:23.596
is that he wanted to change the first section of the 14th Amendment to his own.

3080
01:13:23.616 --> 01:13:24.346
Is anyone stopping him.

3081
01:13:24.875 --> 01:13:24.886
Uh,

3082
01:13:24.936 --> 01:13:26.056
the Supreme Court did actually.

3083
01:13:26.335 --> 01:13:28.016
Not only did the Supreme Court stop them,

3084
01:13:28.186 --> 01:13:28.226
uh,

3085
01:13:28.496 --> 01:13:29.215
initially,

3086
01:13:29.456 --> 01:13:30.235
that's what

3087
01:13:30.416 --> 01:13:31.175
he was promised.

3088
01:13:31.215 --> 01:13:31.405
He was,

3089
01:13:31.445 --> 01:13:33.016
he was hoping did not have happened.

3090
01:13:33.125 --> 01:13:34.556
That's why he was sitting in April

3091
01:13:34.895 --> 01:13:36.895
with the Supreme Court trying to be basically

3092
01:13:36.895 --> 01:13:38.625
the muscle of the executive in the judicial.

3093
01:13:38.786 --> 01:13:38.886
So,

3094
01:13:38.936 --> 01:13:38.976
so,

3095
01:13:39.096 --> 01:13:39.375
so Trump,

3096
01:13:39.485 --> 01:13:40.266
Trump hasn't stopped.

3097
01:13:40.335 --> 01:13:40.655
In fact,

3098
01:13:40.775 --> 01:13:42.275
they're preparing another executive order

3099
01:13:42.655 --> 01:13:43.326
under the same,

3100
01:13:43.405 --> 01:13:44.016
same line that was.

3101
01:13:44.108 --> 01:13:45.389
Just rejected but targeting territories.

3102
01:13:45.469 --> 01:13:47.869
But then you would agree with that the fault then would be coming from the

3103
01:13:47.869 --> 01:13:50.429
political right then in this case because when it's not a question of fault,

3104
01:13:50.449 --> 01:13:52.249
it's a question of we are not seeing

3105
01:13:52.909 --> 01:13:53.099
the,

3106
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:53.179
the,

3107
01:13:53.309 --> 01:13:54.688
but my point largely is

3108
01:13:54.869 --> 01:13:56.668
there is a left and there's a right in this country that are

3109
01:13:56.668 --> 01:13:59.869
so more they are so distinct neither views the Constitution as being upheld.

3110
01:14:00.028 --> 01:14:02.249
But that's not necessarily true when you look at it,

3111
01:14:02.708 --> 01:14:03.229
it is true.

3112
01:14:03.409 --> 01:14:03.418
Well,

3113
01:14:03.628 --> 01:14:03.708
well,

3114
01:14:03.949 --> 01:14:05.378
I'll explain to you as the reason as to why it's not.

3115
01:14:05.429 --> 01:14:06.568
You think Trump's upholding the Constitution.

3116
01:14:06.749 --> 01:14:08.168
I don't think he's upholding the Constitution,

3117
01:14:08.229 --> 01:14:10.688
but I know for a fact that the left has been or the Democrats have been

3118
01:14:10.869 --> 01:14:12.508
actually holding up the Constitution a lot more.

3119
01:14:12.539 --> 01:14:12.909
If you look at.

3120
01:14:13.001 --> 01:14:13.372
For example,

3121
01:14:13.512 --> 01:14:13.521
well,

3122
01:14:13.921 --> 01:14:14.282
if you look,

3123
01:14:14.361 --> 01:14:14.762
for example,

3124
01:14:14.841 --> 01:14:15.432
with Bush,

3125
01:14:16.071 --> 01:14:18.392
do you think Republicans believe the Democrats are upholding the Constitution?

3126
01:14:18.642 --> 01:14:19.921
Do I think that the Republicans are holding it?

3127
01:14:19.972 --> 01:14:21.881
Do Republicans in this country believe Democrats

3128
01:14:21.881 --> 01:14:22.841
are holding true to the Constitution?

3129
01:14:22.961 --> 01:14:23.202
They don't,

3130
01:14:23.301 --> 01:14:24.352
but that's because that's the point.

3131
01:14:24.582 --> 01:14:27.202
There is no unified body politic that operates under the Constitution.

3132
01:14:27.321 --> 01:14:28.611
That's specifically opinion base.

3133
01:14:28.841 --> 01:14:29.582
When you look at,

3134
01:14:29.892 --> 01:14:29.952
well,

3135
01:14:30.041 --> 01:14:30.202
hold on,

3136
01:14:30.321 --> 01:14:31.341
when you look at different

3137
01:14:31.501 --> 01:14:32.111
members and,

3138
01:14:32.182 --> 01:14:32.352
uh,

3139
01:14:32.361 --> 01:14:32.742
different

3140
01:14:32.921 --> 01:14:33.541
presidential

3141
01:14:33.881 --> 01:14:34.291
terms,

3142
01:14:34.492 --> 01:14:35.122
you look at Trump,

3143
01:14:35.321 --> 01:14:37.682
he's trying to take it down with the 14th Amendment through executive orders.

3144
01:14:37.881 --> 01:14:39.262
The AUMF under Bush,

3145
01:14:39.361 --> 01:14:41.702
he took away the ability for the Congress to actually.

3146
01:14:41.935 --> 01:14:43.185
Player war with that simple,

3147
01:14:43.194 --> 01:14:44.935
simple document because of September 11th.

3148
01:14:45.174 --> 01:14:46.395
I haven't seen Obama do that.

3149
01:14:46.495 --> 01:14:48.674
I haven't seen Biden try and do that whatsoever,

3150
01:14:49.134 --> 01:14:50.904
especially when it comes to the past 20 years.

3151
01:14:51.095 --> 01:14:53.924
The reason as to why we're in those situations is because of these two presidents.

3152
01:14:54.095 --> 01:14:55.285
Now what my argument is,

3153
01:14:55.345 --> 01:14:58.044
is that while they may say individuals may say this,

3154
01:14:58.214 --> 01:15:01.674
what we're seeing is actual executive powers,

3155
01:15:01.915 --> 01:15:03.274
exec exact legislative powers,

3156
01:15:03.415 --> 01:15:06.524
actual judicial powers on the right that are specifically doing this.

3157
01:15:06.595 --> 01:15:07.535
I pause.

3158
01:15:08.015 --> 01:15:09.254
You've been voted out by the majority.

3159
01:15:09.484 --> 01:15:09.854
Good talking with you.

3160
01:15:09.935 --> 01:15:10.654
Good talking with you too.

3161
01:15:14.959 --> 01:15:16.149
If you'd like to be the next debater,

3162
01:15:16.290 --> 01:15:19.770
please get to the chair in 321.

3163
01:15:23.029 --> 01:15:23.379
How's it going?

3164
01:15:23.430 --> 01:15:23.790
Nice to meet you.

3165
01:15:24.339 --> 01:15:24.529
Um,

3166
01:15:24.540 --> 01:15:26.270
an issue I kind of take with your interpretation of

3167
01:15:26.270 --> 01:15:29.250
the Constitution is that you're kind of like taking this originalist

3168
01:15:29.540 --> 01:15:31.310
approach to the Constitution and that every single word

3169
01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:32.910
in the Constitution should be taken as literal.

3170
01:15:33.029 --> 01:15:33.109
No,

3171
01:15:33.149 --> 01:15:33.509
I'm not.

3172
01:15:33.990 --> 01:15:34.270
So what,

3173
01:15:34.350 --> 01:15:34.509
what,

3174
01:15:34.589 --> 01:15:35.979
what do you mean essentially by like,

3175
01:15:36.270 --> 01:15:36.379
so,

3176
01:15:36.470 --> 01:15:36.520
uh,

3177
01:15:36.589 --> 01:15:36.669
uh,

3178
01:15:36.729 --> 01:15:36.850
uh,

3179
01:15:36.950 --> 01:15:37.339
so the,

3180
01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:38.270
the founding fathers,

3181
01:15:38.350 --> 01:15:38.709
uh,

3182
01:15:38.910 --> 01:15:40.759
it was a split between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.

3183
01:15:40.830 --> 01:15:41.750
There was an argument as to whether we.

3184
01:15:41.834 --> 01:15:42.035
We should,

3185
01:15:42.154 --> 01:15:43.895
we should have an unwritten constitution

3186
01:15:44.075 --> 01:15:45.194
or a written constitution.

3187
01:15:45.475 --> 01:15:47.544
There was a fear that with an unwritten constitution,

3188
01:15:47.555 --> 01:15:50.185
it would evolve too dramatically and you'd end up with tyranny.

3189
01:15:50.475 --> 01:15:50.935
So,

3190
01:15:50.995 --> 01:15:51.245
uh,

3191
01:15:51.285 --> 01:15:51.984
one faction says,

3192
01:15:52.035 --> 01:15:52.754
hey guys,

3193
01:15:52.794 --> 01:15:53.314
write it down.

3194
01:15:53.354 --> 01:15:53.595
In fact,

3195
01:15:53.674 --> 01:15:54.794
they wanted not just a constitution,

3196
01:15:54.854 --> 01:15:55.915
they wanted a bill of rights.

3197
01:15:56.314 --> 01:15:56.714
So the,

3198
01:15:56.794 --> 01:15:59.115
the argument is fundamentally a constitution

3199
01:15:59.115 --> 01:16:00.674
is what constitutes the body politic.

3200
01:16:01.149 --> 01:16:04.100
When you have a group of people that are largely morally aligned,

3201
01:16:04.149 --> 01:16:05.450
they all basically agree,

3202
01:16:05.750 --> 01:16:07.149
then you have a constitution.

3203
01:16:07.350 --> 01:16:08.500
We are seeing an increase in,

3204
01:16:08.509 --> 01:16:08.729
uh,

3205
01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:09.990
geographic polarization.

3206
01:16:10.149 --> 01:16:11.290
This is resulting in,

3207
01:16:11.390 --> 01:16:11.689
uh,

3208
01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:14.189
the Congress becoming equally polarized with

3209
01:16:14.189 --> 01:16:16.669
radically different views of what the.

3210
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:19.330
Actually means so our Congress is very,

3211
01:16:19.410 --> 01:16:19.540
very,

3212
01:16:19.649 --> 01:16:20.169
very centered,

3213
01:16:20.250 --> 01:16:20.370
right?

3214
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.089
Our Congress is very much in the political center.

3215
01:16:22.330 --> 01:16:24.439
So to say that they're very these radical figures,

3216
01:16:24.490 --> 01:16:24.919
I think it's,

3217
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:25.759
it's strikingly ironic.

3218
01:16:25.990 --> 01:16:26.000
Well,

3219
01:16:26.109 --> 01:16:26.120
no,

3220
01:16:26.209 --> 01:16:26.319
they're,

3221
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:27.009
they're polarized,

3222
01:16:27.089 --> 01:16:27.350
right?

3223
01:16:27.569 --> 01:16:29.229
They vote on party line almost all the time,

3224
01:16:29.240 --> 01:16:30.290
even when it doesn't make sense.

3225
01:16:30.330 --> 01:16:30.850
And if you don't,

3226
01:16:30.970 --> 01:16:32.750
Trump gets you removed from office like Massey.

3227
01:16:33.089 --> 01:16:33.209
So,

3228
01:16:33.330 --> 01:16:34.229
so that's polarization,

3229
01:16:34.339 --> 01:16:34.689
right?

3230
01:16:35.089 --> 01:16:38.339
So they're gonna vote for the agenda of the right or the agenda of the left,

3231
01:16:38.529 --> 01:16:40.589
and I think that this way to explain it is.

3232
01:16:41.009 --> 01:16:44.129
The amendments are the easiest way to approach this in understanding that the,

3233
01:16:44.229 --> 01:16:47.189
the Constitution being largely in my view non-existent is

3234
01:16:47.609 --> 01:16:48.890
the suppression of speech that we

3235
01:16:48.890 --> 01:16:51.009
saw from Democratic Party administration officials.

3236
01:16:51.250 --> 01:16:52.290
So that violates the First Amendment.

3237
01:16:52.390 --> 01:16:52.479
You,

3238
01:16:52.540 --> 01:16:53.209
you have to admit though,

3239
01:16:53.290 --> 01:16:55.689
like the First Amendment doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want.

3240
01:16:55.729 --> 01:16:57.649
Like it certainly means you can express political opinions,

3241
01:16:57.709 --> 01:16:58.479
but it has continually targeted.

3242
01:16:58.810 --> 01:16:59.620
It has continually,

3243
01:16:59.729 --> 01:17:00.209
like our,

3244
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:01.870
our judges and our Supreme Court has continually

3245
01:17:01.870 --> 01:17:03.509
ruled that there are limitations on free speech.

3246
01:17:03.569 --> 01:17:04.209
I I can't,

3247
01:17:04.290 --> 01:17:05.910
I can't scream that there's a fire in a movie.

3248
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:06.049
Yes,

3249
01:17:06.160 --> 01:17:06.410
you can,

3250
01:17:06.509 --> 01:17:07.020
Brandenburg v.

3251
01:17:07.089 --> 01:17:07.330
Ohio.

3252
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:07.830
You're wrong.

3253
01:17:09.109 --> 01:17:09.439
Like,

3254
01:17:09.620 --> 01:17:09.759
like,

3255
01:17:09.819 --> 01:17:09.979
there,

3256
01:17:10.100 --> 01:17:11.419
there needs to be a precedent already.

3257
01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:12.740
Like that doesn't,

3258
01:17:12.819 --> 01:17:13.520
that doesn't really,

3259
01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:15.009
there has to be a threat of imminent danger.

3260
01:17:15.330 --> 01:17:15.620
That's not,

3261
01:17:15.779 --> 01:17:15.859
yes,

3262
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:16.149
that's,

3263
01:17:16.220 --> 01:17:16.609
that's true.

3264
01:17:17.129 --> 01:17:17.540
You have to do that.

3265
01:17:17.700 --> 01:17:18.319
Nice meeting you.

3266
01:17:20.149 --> 01:17:21.450
If you'd like to be the next debater,

3267
01:17:21.589 --> 01:17:22.770
please head to the chair

3268
01:17:22.910 --> 01:17:25.370
in 321.

3269
01:17:26.850 --> 01:17:27.589
Welcome back.

3270
01:17:28.290 --> 01:17:29.069
Shake your hand again.

3271
01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:30.720
All right,

3272
01:17:30.959 --> 01:17:34.439
you're telling me that the Constitution effectively doesn't exist,

3273
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:34.700
right?

3274
01:17:35.160 --> 01:17:37.149
Not that it's necessarily like low quality,

3275
01:17:37.200 --> 01:17:39.799
but that it like effectively just does not exist at all.

3276
01:17:39.870 --> 01:17:39.950
Well,

3277
01:17:40.040 --> 01:17:40.799
let's not be super extreme.

3278
01:17:40.839 --> 01:17:41.779
What I mean is

3279
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.540
there's obviously a document we know what it is,

3280
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.600
we use it for certain guiding principles.

3281
01:17:45.674 --> 01:17:47.234
To the power that our parties want.

3282
01:17:47.354 --> 01:17:49.634
My specific argument here is that the Constitution,

3283
01:17:49.875 --> 01:17:52.475
whether or not it's being handled in like exactly the right way,

3284
01:17:52.794 --> 01:17:54.125
it does exist.

3285
01:17:54.314 --> 01:17:55.475
It's an important matter,

3286
01:17:55.674 --> 01:17:56.154
then great.

3287
01:17:56.354 --> 01:17:56.785
The thing is,

3288
01:17:56.834 --> 01:17:58.634
I don't know what your personal views is.

3289
01:17:58.834 --> 01:18:01.234
My job here is just to dispute your claim.

3290
01:18:01.649 --> 01:18:02.669
The claim is

3291
01:18:02.810 --> 01:18:04.330
that it effectively does not exist.

3292
01:18:04.450 --> 01:18:05.509
My argument is,

3293
01:18:05.529 --> 01:18:07.950
insofar as we're all talking about the Constitution,

3294
01:18:08.529 --> 01:18:09.930
we have a court flawed or not,

3295
01:18:09.939 --> 01:18:11.950
the Fourth Amendment being upheld that reviews

3296
01:18:12.089 --> 01:18:13.189
the Constitution,

3297
01:18:13.390 --> 01:18:14.660
is the Fourth Amendment being upheld?

3298
01:18:14.850 --> 01:18:16.310
I'm not a constitutional scholar.

3299
01:18:16.529 --> 01:18:16.930
I don't know,

3300
01:18:17.040 --> 01:18:18.520
but there's active debate about it.

3301
01:18:18.850 --> 01:18:19.689
The answer is,

3302
01:18:19.770 --> 01:18:20.959
the answer is that it's not,

3303
01:18:21.089 --> 01:18:22.649
and we've had a serious issue with flat cameras,

3304
01:18:22.689 --> 01:18:23.160
for instance.

3305
01:18:23.490 --> 01:18:26.970
One video I just watched where a guy got pulled over wrongly and arrested.

3306
01:18:27.200 --> 01:18:27.209
Because

3307
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.359
a flat camera flagged his car down.

3308
01:18:29.549 --> 01:18:31.080
Now when the police show up at your house and accuse

3309
01:18:31.080 --> 01:18:33.629
you of a crime with fake evidence and you get arrested,

3310
01:18:33.759 --> 01:18:35.229
that is a violation of your rights.

3311
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:35.729
Now,

3312
01:18:35.740 --> 01:18:37.759
certainly we can argue that because of the Fourth Amendment,

3313
01:18:37.770 --> 01:18:38.709
you can go and dispute it in court,

3314
01:18:38.799 --> 01:18:40.129
but you could dispute it in court with or without

3315
01:18:40.129 --> 01:18:42.479
the Fourth Am absolutely against those like flawed cameras.

3316
01:18:42.629 --> 01:18:43.060
But again,

3317
01:18:43.310 --> 01:18:45.419
that's not the point of this topic.

3318
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.140
When we're talking about does the Constitution exist

3319
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.640
insofar as there's still a court review system.

3320
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:51.080
Let's not be,

3321
01:18:51.200 --> 01:18:51.290
let's,

3322
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:51.970
let's not argue semantics,

3323
01:18:52.069 --> 01:18:52.779
sometimes there's not.

3324
01:18:53.080 --> 01:18:53.200
Uh,

3325
01:18:53.240 --> 01:18:54.319
a good example is the case of.

3326
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:55.120
Andrew Arnheimer,

3327
01:18:55.160 --> 01:18:58.080
where he was arrested in Georgia and brought to New Jersey in

3328
01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:00.790
violation of his constitutional rights and put in prison because of this,

3329
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.200
which ultimately resulted in him getting out.

3330
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.450
So I understand there is a constitution.

3331
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.740
I know there's a physical piece of paper,

3332
01:19:06.839 --> 01:19:07.950
and I know that it does work,

3333
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:09.370
but I'm saying effectively,

3334
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:12.259
because what I'm saying is it has become so disputed

3335
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:16.020
and so ignored in most capacities that we may as like

3336
01:19:16.200 --> 01:19:17.720
people are not abiding by it.

3337
01:19:17.839 --> 01:19:19.080
The Democrats don't believe Republicans are.

3338
01:19:19.299 --> 01:19:20.629
Republicans don't believe Democrats are.

3339
01:19:20.839 --> 01:19:21.600
That's my point.

3340
01:19:22.109 --> 01:19:22.390
That it,

3341
01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:22.589
it's,

3342
01:19:22.629 --> 01:19:22.859
it's,

3343
01:19:22.910 --> 01:19:23.069
it's,

3344
01:19:23.109 --> 01:19:23.879
it is an ineffective.

3345
01:19:25.189 --> 01:19:25.529
Thank you.

3346
01:19:25.540 --> 01:19:26.839
You've been voted out by the majority.

3347
01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:28.229
Good talking to you again.

3348
01:19:32.660 --> 01:19:32.740
Alright,

3349
01:19:32.819 --> 01:19:34.040
if you'd like to be the next debater,

3350
01:19:34.180 --> 01:19:37.750
please head to the chair in 321.

3351
01:19:39.660 --> 01:19:39.970
How's it going?

3352
01:19:40.020 --> 01:19:40.500
Nice to meet you.

3353
01:19:40.620 --> 01:19:41.040
Nice to meet you,

3354
01:19:41.149 --> 01:19:41.459
Luke.

3355
01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:45.450
What is the point of telling

3356
01:19:45.729 --> 01:19:47.560
a bunch of different progressives

3357
01:19:47.810 --> 01:19:48.430
that

3358
01:19:48.689 --> 01:19:50.450
a bunch of things that we all agree with.

3359
01:19:51.629 --> 01:19:51.910
I don't know,

3360
01:19:51.990 --> 01:19:52.770
you tell me.

3361
01:19:53.189 --> 01:19:54.290
What is the point of that?

3362
01:19:54.589 --> 01:19:57.250
You're sitting within this pocket of safe moderation,

3363
01:19:57.470 --> 01:19:57.720
right?

3364
01:19:58.029 --> 01:19:59.270
You are a former Bernie bro,

3365
01:19:59.350 --> 01:19:59.589
right?

3366
01:19:59.750 --> 01:20:00.229
Oh yeah.

3367
01:20:00.589 --> 01:20:00.950
Hell yeah,

3368
01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:01.740
I agree with you.

3369
01:20:01.950 --> 01:20:04.350
I was there when the bird landed on the podium in Portland.

3370
01:20:04.390 --> 01:20:05.339
I was fucking there,

3371
01:20:05.470 --> 01:20:05.620
man.

3372
01:20:05.709 --> 01:20:06.729
I completely agree.

3373
01:20:07.580 --> 01:20:10.439
And we both probably got disenfranchised by our

3374
01:20:10.779 --> 01:20:11.060
party,

3375
01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:11.279
right?

3376
01:20:11.299 --> 01:20:12.680
I didn't vote for anybody in 2016.

3377
01:20:13.459 --> 01:20:13.540
Sure,

3378
01:20:13.620 --> 01:20:13.950
hell yeah,

3379
01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:14.979
you did your part then.

3380
01:20:16.209 --> 01:20:16.620
Right,

3381
01:20:17.049 --> 01:20:18.109
so my question is,

3382
01:20:18.450 --> 01:20:19.750
what is the point

3383
01:20:20.049 --> 01:20:22.720
of arguing this with a bunch of people who agree with you?

3384
01:20:22.970 --> 01:20:24.669
Shouldn't you be surrounded by a bunch of

3385
01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:26.430
people that you so-called condemn?

3386
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:26.649
Um,

3387
01:20:26.729 --> 01:20:27.930
I guess it's a production question.

3388
01:20:29.310 --> 01:20:29.470
Yeah,

3389
01:20:29.589 --> 01:20:29.709
I,

3390
01:20:29.830 --> 01:20:29.910
that,

3391
01:20:29.990 --> 01:20:30.270
that's it.

3392
01:20:30.310 --> 01:20:30.450
I mean,

3393
01:20:30.509 --> 01:20:31.229
I don't want you to say I,

3394
01:20:31.270 --> 01:20:31.939
I have claims,

3395
01:20:31.950 --> 01:20:32.330
and if,

3396
01:20:32.589 --> 01:20:33.060
if we agree,

3397
01:20:33.109 --> 01:20:33.729
I guess we can,

3398
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:35.049
we can all smile and shake hands.

3399
01:20:35.149 --> 01:20:36.620
But like this is a direct question to you,

3400
01:20:36.629 --> 01:20:36.950
like,

3401
01:20:37.390 --> 01:20:39.790
why sit in this pocket of moderation if you

3402
01:20:39.990 --> 01:20:42.390
so clearly condemn everything that's going on on the right,

3403
01:20:42.580 --> 01:20:44.770
a group that is so clearly eroding

3404
01:20:45.029 --> 01:20:45.709
the Constitution.

3405
01:20:46.384 --> 01:20:48.854
Why are you sitting here arguing with people that agree with you?

3406
01:20:49.064 --> 01:20:49.265
Is your,

3407
01:20:49.305 --> 01:20:51.745
is your argument that I should be a progressive or a

3408
01:20:51.745 --> 01:20:53.544
liberal because I don't like what's happened to the Constitution?

3409
01:20:53.615 --> 01:20:53.745
No,

3410
01:20:53.805 --> 01:20:57.084
I think you should be a little bit louder about the things that you actually believe

3411
01:20:57.424 --> 01:20:57.924
instead of

3412
01:20:58.104 --> 01:20:59.484
this like safe

3413
01:20:59.705 --> 01:21:01.125
beanie wearing moderate.

3414
01:21:01.464 --> 01:21:02.185
But what does that mean?

3415
01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:04.279
Well,

3416
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.120
I condemn everything that the right has done.

3417
01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:07.509
I didn't say I condemn everything the right has done.

3418
01:21:07.580 --> 01:21:07.709
I,

3419
01:21:08.410 --> 01:21:09.180
let's put it like this.

3420
01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.069
When I look at the option in 2020 between Donald Trump and Joe Biden,

3421
01:21:13.160 --> 01:21:14.959
I was actually supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang,

3422
01:21:15.160 --> 01:21:17.279
and the Democratic Party does what the Democratic Party does.

3423
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:17.839
So I said,

3424
01:21:17.919 --> 01:21:18.200
OK,

3425
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:18.479
well,

3426
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:20.790
who's the guy who's going to have my back more than them?

3427
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:22.620
These people I view as

3428
01:21:22.839 --> 01:21:23.839
authoritarian,

3429
01:21:24.140 --> 01:21:24.919
bad for a bunch of.

3430
01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:25.819
Different reasons

3431
01:21:26.029 --> 01:21:27.180
and and Trump's first term,

3432
01:21:27.220 --> 01:21:28.919
it was a nightmare what they were doing.

3433
01:21:29.129 --> 01:21:31.220
And Donald Trump put out a second term agenda and I said,

3434
01:21:31.290 --> 01:21:31.549
you know what,

3435
01:21:31.620 --> 01:21:33.240
there's a bunch of these things I agree with,

3436
01:21:33.339 --> 01:21:36.700
and the Democratic Party I find to be it is untenable what they have done.

3437
01:21:36.859 --> 01:21:36.979
Tim,

3438
01:21:37.060 --> 01:21:38.620
like you are a smart guy.

3439
01:21:38.819 --> 01:21:38.970
I,

3440
01:21:39.060 --> 01:21:39.220
I'm,

3441
01:21:39.290 --> 01:21:41.609
I'm not going to sit here and call you dumb and shake my head at you.

3442
01:21:41.899 --> 01:21:42.970
You're a smart guy.

3443
01:21:43.259 --> 01:21:45.200
How were you so easily conned?

3444
01:21:45.220 --> 01:21:45.939
In what way?

3445
01:21:46.899 --> 01:21:47.459
Saying that like,

3446
01:21:47.540 --> 01:21:47.640
well,

3447
01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:47.890
no,

3448
01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:50.000
he's gonna do what he says he's gonna do.

3449
01:21:50.629 --> 01:21:50.640
But

3450
01:21:51.390 --> 01:21:51.990
what do you mean?

3451
01:21:52.629 --> 01:21:52.709
Like,

3452
01:21:52.990 --> 01:21:53.000
get,

3453
01:21:53.009 --> 01:21:53.029
get,

3454
01:21:53.149 --> 01:21:53.899
give me specifics.

3455
01:21:54.140 --> 01:21:54.549
OK,

3456
01:21:54.750 --> 01:21:55.270
um,

3457
01:21:55.629 --> 01:21:56.750
like I appreciate that the,

3458
01:21:56.790 --> 01:21:57.310
the line of thought,

3459
01:21:57.419 --> 01:21:58.189
but you gotta be specific.

3460
01:21:58.310 --> 01:22:01.250
Give me a specific about something that you voted for Donald Trump

3461
01:22:01.830 --> 01:22:02.310
to do

3462
01:22:02.509 --> 01:22:03.100
tariffs.

3463
01:22:03.910 --> 01:22:04.750
How did that work out?

3464
01:22:05.109 --> 01:22:06.209
Fantastic for me.

3465
01:22:06.500 --> 01:22:06.629
Yeah,

3466
01:22:06.740 --> 01:22:07.270
we're all rich,

3467
01:22:07.350 --> 01:22:07.520
right?

3468
01:22:07.629 --> 01:22:07.830
We're all,

3469
01:22:07.930 --> 01:22:08.770
we're all cruising.

3470
01:22:09.149 --> 01:22:09.350
That's,

3471
01:22:09.430 --> 01:22:10.450
that's working out for us.

3472
01:22:10.790 --> 01:22:10.870
Well,

3473
01:22:10.910 --> 01:22:11.209
I think,

3474
01:22:11.350 --> 01:22:11.509
I,

3475
01:22:11.669 --> 01:22:11.779
I,

3476
01:22:11.830 --> 01:22:11.990
I,

3477
01:22:12.069 --> 01:22:12.430
I think,

3478
01:22:12.549 --> 01:22:13.089
I think you,

3479
01:22:13.310 --> 01:22:16.419
there's a fundamental fundamental misunderstanding among people who don't do

3480
01:22:16.419 --> 01:22:18.509
manufacturing or run businesses on the issue of tariffs.

3481
01:22:18.850 --> 01:22:19.629
So for me,

3482
01:22:19.830 --> 01:22:20.649
the issue of.

3483
01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:22.390
Trade control was extremely important.

3484
01:22:22.509 --> 01:22:23.649
We don't see that from the Democratic Party,

3485
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:24.430
so I voted for that.

3486
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:25.549
Trump did it,

3487
01:22:25.629 --> 01:22:28.109
and I fully acknowledge that there's negative repercussions,

3488
01:22:28.310 --> 01:22:30.229
but it's called spending money to fix problems down the road.

3489
01:22:30.310 --> 01:22:32.549
Why are you willing to erode the Constitution,

3490
01:22:32.669 --> 01:22:34.629
something that you so vehemently fought for?

3491
01:22:34.669 --> 01:22:34.740
No,

3492
01:22:34.790 --> 01:22:35.029
I think,

3493
01:22:35.069 --> 01:22:37.339
I think Democrats erode the Constitution substantially more.

3494
01:22:38.709 --> 01:22:38.979
So,

3495
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:39.450
uh,

3496
01:22:40.149 --> 01:22:41.419
we can talk about the 1st Amendment,

3497
01:22:41.470 --> 01:22:43.899
we can talk about the Biden administration going in and get people banned.

3498
01:22:44.189 --> 01:22:45.430
That's the easiest one.

3499
01:22:45.750 --> 01:22:46.950
We can talk about the Fourth Amendment.

3500
01:22:47.009 --> 01:22:48.810
I remember that nasty Democrat,

3501
01:22:48.950 --> 01:22:49.120
uh,

3502
01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:50.029
Brandon Carr,

3503
01:22:50.240 --> 01:22:50.490
who,

3504
01:22:50.509 --> 01:22:50.799
uh,

3505
01:22:50.810 --> 01:22:51.330
took down

3506
01:22:51.750 --> 01:22:52.270
Jimmy Kimmel,

3507
01:22:52.350 --> 01:22:54.180
the stand-up comedian that I am.

3508
01:22:54.430 --> 01:22:55.290
What what did Carr say?

3509
01:22:55.750 --> 01:22:56.160
He,

3510
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.120
he made a call directly to NBC.

3511
01:22:58.520 --> 01:22:59.459
Why should

3512
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.700
unilateral government power

3513
01:23:01.919 --> 01:23:02.950
be used like that?

3514
01:23:03.120 --> 01:23:04.180
And why are you

3515
01:23:04.390 --> 01:23:04.919
just saying,

3516
01:23:04.959 --> 01:23:05.669
I condemn that,

3517
01:23:05.750 --> 01:23:07.600
but you're actively doing nothing to fight it?

3518
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:07.720
No,

3519
01:23:07.810 --> 01:23:07.830
no,

3520
01:23:07.859 --> 01:23:07.870
no,

3521
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:08.279
I think,

3522
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.359
I think the issue largely is regulatory bodies exist.

3523
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.040
I agree with the existence of regulatory bodies.

3524
01:23:13.250 --> 01:23:14.459
Sometimes they do things you don't like.

3525
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:15.410
You didn't like it here,

3526
01:23:15.450 --> 01:23:17.439
but I'm sure you like regulatory bodies elsewhere.

3527
01:23:17.910 --> 01:23:18.319
So I'm not,

3528
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:18.680
I'm not,

3529
01:23:18.759 --> 01:23:20.080
I'm not going to come out and pretend to be.

3530
01:23:20.205 --> 01:23:22.544
Angry about something that is complicated or litigation we

3531
01:23:22.544 --> 01:23:24.845
don't understand because it's it's tribal points for me.

3532
01:23:25.084 --> 01:23:25.535
I'm going to say,

3533
01:23:25.604 --> 01:23:26.765
what did Brendan Carr actually say?

3534
01:23:26.814 --> 01:23:28.145
What did he actually say when he called NBC?

3535
01:23:28.915 --> 01:23:30.145
You need to take Jimmy Kimmel down.

3536
01:23:30.194 --> 01:23:30.964
He did not say that.

3537
01:23:31.044 --> 01:23:31.725
Then what did he say?

3538
01:23:31.845 --> 01:23:32.395
I don't know,

3539
01:23:32.444 --> 01:23:34.765
and that's why I don't have a strong opinion about the issue right now.

3540
01:23:34.924 --> 01:23:35.084
Right?

3541
01:23:35.245 --> 01:23:36.595
So you can't tell me what he said.

3542
01:23:36.685 --> 01:23:37.845
You can't pretend to be angry.

3543
01:23:37.955 --> 01:23:38.685
We're going to pause here.

3544
01:23:38.805 --> 01:23:39.365
Thank you so much.

3545
01:23:39.444 --> 01:23:40.754
You've been voted out by the majority.

3546
01:23:40.884 --> 01:23:41.544
Boisterous.

3547
01:23:43.185 --> 01:23:43.725
I appreciate it.

3548
01:23:43.884 --> 01:23:44.524
Nice meeting you.

3549
01:23:46.410 --> 01:23:47.729
If you'd like to be the next debater,

3550
01:23:47.890 --> 01:23:51.290
please head to the chair in 321.

3551
01:23:54.919 --> 01:23:55.620
Welcome back

3552
01:23:56.870 --> 01:23:58.669
So the whole point of it being like,

3553
01:23:58.750 --> 01:23:59.060
oh,

3554
01:23:59.140 --> 01:23:59.709
it's the left,

3555
01:23:59.750 --> 01:24:00.479
it's the right.

3556
01:24:00.799 --> 01:24:02.509
I'm a constitutional abolitionist.

3557
01:24:02.790 --> 01:24:03.580
I want it gone.

3558
01:24:03.950 --> 01:24:05.310
Who's the constitution written for?

3559
01:24:05.669 --> 01:24:09.169
It's written for the original American colonists who started this country,

3560
01:24:09.939 --> 01:24:10.540
which were

3561
01:24:10.790 --> 01:24:12.180
largely white Protestants.

3562
01:24:12.430 --> 01:24:14.870
So it was written for white men that own land,

3563
01:24:15.189 --> 01:24:15.330
right?

3564
01:24:15.629 --> 01:24:15.870
Mostly,

3565
01:24:15.950 --> 01:24:16.069
yes,

3566
01:24:16.200 --> 01:24:16.350
yeah,

3567
01:24:16.470 --> 01:24:16.930
perfect.

3568
01:24:17.390 --> 01:24:18.339
And after that,

3569
01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:19.589
everyone else has been given rights.

3570
01:24:20.370 --> 01:24:20.569
Right,

3571
01:24:20.689 --> 01:24:22.040
they've not been given rights.

3572
01:24:22.330 --> 01:24:24.919
I would argue that over a long enough period of time,

3573
01:24:25.129 --> 01:24:26.330
there's been advocacy to make the

3574
01:24:26.330 --> 01:24:28.609
Constitution protect against a government infringement.

3575
01:24:28.810 --> 01:24:28.919
The,

3576
01:24:28.970 --> 01:24:32.910
the Constitutions given the rights that protect the white men that own land.

3577
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:33.859
Everyone else,

3578
01:24:33.899 --> 01:24:34.870
I don't think we're disagreeing.

3579
01:24:34.879 --> 01:24:35.229
I'm just,

3580
01:24:35.390 --> 01:24:35.870
I'm saying we don't,

3581
01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:37.319
the Congress doesn't give us the rights.

3582
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:38.879
It stops the government from doing things.

3583
01:24:39.029 --> 01:24:39.160
Yeah,

3584
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:39.509
sure,

3585
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:42.240
it gives you the protection from blah blah blah.

3586
01:24:42.330 --> 01:24:42.399
Fine.

3587
01:24:42.529 --> 01:24:42.560
Yeah,

3588
01:24:42.609 --> 01:24:45.669
and it was like overwhelmingly white European so the point that I'm,

3589
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.500
I'm making is

3590
01:24:46.799 --> 01:24:48.000
we've seen throughout the history of our

3591
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.830
country that other people have been attacked,

3592
01:24:49.919 --> 01:24:50.290
right?

3593
01:24:50.759 --> 01:24:52.959
Every other marginalized group has been attacked.

3594
01:24:53.029 --> 01:24:54.279
There's been amendments,

3595
01:24:54.390 --> 01:24:55.569
there's been back and forth,

3596
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:58.350
whether people do or do not have access to rights.

3597
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:01.419
The whole point that I'm getting to is the United States Constitution

3598
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:02.759
needs to be thrown out completely.

3599
01:25:03.870 --> 01:25:05.620
Thomas Jefferson agrees with me.

3600
01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:11.529
Thomas Jefferson said that the Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years.

3601
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:11.959
Now,

3602
01:25:12.229 --> 01:25:13.720
around that time they were dying early,

3603
01:25:13.839 --> 01:25:15.790
so I'm thinking it's like 50 years or whatever,

3604
01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:18.430
but he made the point that if we actually have,

3605
01:25:18.839 --> 01:25:18.939
uh,

3606
01:25:18.959 --> 01:25:19.560
legislation,

3607
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:20.000
laws,

3608
01:25:20.040 --> 01:25:21.939
or a constitution that governs people

3609
01:25:22.080 --> 01:25:23.919
in the future based off of what we've written,

3610
01:25:24.160 --> 01:25:25.279
then we're doing an injustice.

3611
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.620
So saying that we should uphold something that was written 250 years ago

3612
01:25:29.799 --> 01:25:31.859
when I was 3/5 of a person.

3613
01:25:32.290 --> 01:25:32.589
Like,

3614
01:25:32.609 --> 01:25:33.189
what are we doing?

3615
01:25:33.290 --> 01:25:33.410
Oh,

3616
01:25:33.490 --> 01:25:34.450
back then it was worse than that.

3617
01:25:34.589 --> 01:25:35.680
That's compromising.

3618
01:25:36.009 --> 01:25:36.120
Have you,

3619
01:25:36.129 --> 01:25:36.290
uh,

3620
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:37.970
have you read the 1619 Project?

3621
01:25:38.350 --> 01:25:38.600
Uh,

3622
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:38.839
I,

3623
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:39.160
no,

3624
01:25:39.350 --> 01:25:39.520
OK,

3625
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:39.729
cool.

3626
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.069
The reason the Constitution and the,

3627
01:25:42.160 --> 01:25:43.879
the way the United States government is set up,

3628
01:25:43.919 --> 01:25:47.160
it's literally because the founding fathers were slave owners.

3629
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:50.250
They were racist slave owners that wanted to uphold that power,

3630
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:51.740
and they wanted to give the power

3631
01:25:51.959 --> 01:25:52.680
to the states.

3632
01:25:52.759 --> 01:25:52.799
Well,

3633
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:54.709
there's there's a lot of context missing from that.

3634
01:25:54.759 --> 01:25:55.600
You're familiar with the,

3635
01:25:55.709 --> 01:25:55.839
the,

3636
01:25:55.919 --> 01:25:56.069
the,

3637
01:25:56.120 --> 01:25:56.419
the,

3638
01:25:56.430 --> 01:25:56.589
uh,

3639
01:25:56.839 --> 01:25:58.080
issue of the Declaration of Declaration of

3640
01:25:58.080 --> 01:25:59.479
Independence in South Carolina and Georgia.

3641
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.649
Thomas Jefferson was angry with the king for bringing slaves to the colonies.

3642
01:26:02.799 --> 01:26:04.060
I'm not saying he wasn't a racist.

3643
01:26:04.620 --> 01:26:04.779
He,

3644
01:26:04.850 --> 01:26:06.970
he wanted to include a provision of the biggest reasons

3645
01:26:06.970 --> 01:26:09.939
for the Revolutionary War is because Britain no longer wanted

3646
01:26:09.939 --> 01:26:13.169
to uphold chattel slavery and the colonies wanted to because

3647
01:26:13.169 --> 01:26:15.580
they had been so successful as far as making money.

3648
01:26:15.740 --> 01:26:16.729
The colonies period.

3649
01:26:16.939 --> 01:26:17.700
The Southern colonies.

3650
01:26:17.939 --> 01:26:18.759
The colonies period after the Civil War,

3651
01:26:21.660 --> 01:26:24.100
then they shifted away where you saw kind of a split where

3652
01:26:24.100 --> 01:26:26.580
the northern colonies didn't want it as much as the southern colonies.

3653
01:26:26.740 --> 01:26:27.649
Before the Civil Wars besides the point.

3654
01:26:27.700 --> 01:26:28.520
This is around 1820,

3655
01:26:28.529 --> 01:26:28.830
in fact.

3656
01:26:29.009 --> 01:26:29.049
No,

3657
01:26:29.129 --> 01:26:29.919
I'm saying after,

3658
01:26:30.049 --> 01:26:30.629
after the,

3659
01:26:30.890 --> 01:26:32.529
so around 18 after the Civil War,

3660
01:26:32.569 --> 01:26:32.810
I'm sorry,

3661
01:26:32.890 --> 01:26:33.930
after the Revolutionary War,

3662
01:26:33.990 --> 01:26:34.049
right,

3663
01:26:34.169 --> 01:26:34.290
right.

3664
01:26:34.370 --> 01:26:34.850
So yes,

3665
01:26:34.930 --> 01:26:35.089
yes,

3666
01:26:35.209 --> 01:26:36.850
very shortly after the Revolutionary War,

3667
01:26:37.049 --> 01:26:38.649
Thomas Jefferson had written a,

3668
01:26:38.910 --> 01:26:40.709
a statement for the Declaration that stated

3669
01:26:40.850 --> 01:26:43.410
the king has brought people to this land to wage war against us,

3670
01:26:43.569 --> 01:26:44.470
something to that effect.

3671
01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:46.350
And South Carolina and Georgia

3672
01:26:46.759 --> 01:26:48.830
contested to its inclusion in the Declaration.

3673
01:26:49.200 --> 01:26:51.080
Because they wanted slavery so bad,

3674
01:26:51.149 --> 01:26:51.640
but don't get me wrong,

3675
01:26:51.879 --> 01:26:52.589
one of the,

3676
01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:57.339
one of the biggest drivers was the fact that there was a slave that was in the colonies

3677
01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.439
and his slave owner took him to Britain,

3678
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:00.120
and Britain

3679
01:27:00.310 --> 01:27:02.109
actually had a rule that no one could be slaves,

3680
01:27:02.120 --> 01:27:05.140
and so he was able to win his freedom for being in Britain,

3681
01:27:05.350 --> 01:27:06.740
and that shook the foundation

3682
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:07.839
of the colonies,

3683
01:27:07.919 --> 01:27:09.500
which forced them to actually

3684
01:27:09.799 --> 01:27:12.779
push for the Revolutionary War and then come with the United States Constitution.

3685
01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:14.020
The point that I'm trying to make is the

3686
01:27:14.020 --> 01:27:15.720
United States Constitution needs to be abolished because.

3687
01:27:15.779 --> 01:27:17.540
It does not protect all the people.

3688
01:27:17.779 --> 01:27:19.560
We need to completely rewrite the United States

3689
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.060
Constitution Constitution and give protections to everyone.

3690
01:27:22.180 --> 01:27:23.240
Everyone needs to have

3691
01:27:23.410 --> 01:27:25.259
equal rights under the protection of the law.

3692
01:27:25.540 --> 01:27:25.779
We can,

3693
01:27:25.970 --> 01:27:27.379
we can go back and forth about everything else.

3694
01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:27.810
Do you,

3695
01:27:27.899 --> 01:27:28.700
do you think that,

3696
01:27:28.740 --> 01:27:29.209
uh,

3697
01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:29.569
I,

3698
01:27:29.620 --> 01:27:29.680
I,

3699
01:27:29.899 --> 01:27:30.020
you're,

3700
01:27:30.069 --> 01:27:30.819
you're allowed to have the opinion,

3701
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:31.899
you don't like the Constitution and all that stuff.

3702
01:27:31.939 --> 01:27:32.580
I'm not gonna argue.

3703
01:27:32.740 --> 01:27:33.240
Do you think,

3704
01:27:33.379 --> 01:27:34.799
how do you think this country would react

3705
01:27:34.799 --> 01:27:37.259
if you were successful in abolishing the Constitution?

3706
01:27:37.459 --> 01:27:37.620
Yeah,

3707
01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:39.819
I think that it'll be a violent revolution.

3708
01:27:40.180 --> 01:27:40.859
Pause here.

3709
01:27:41.020 --> 01:27:42.120
We're out of time.

3710
01:27:42.970 --> 01:27:43.089
I,

3711
01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:43.770
I appreciated that,

3712
01:27:43.779 --> 01:27:43.790
yeah.

3713
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:46.350
All right,

3714
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:46.779
Tim,

3715
01:27:46.879 --> 01:27:48.740
it is time for the final debate.

3716
01:27:48.919 --> 01:27:51.220
You'll have 10 minutes uninterrupted.

3717
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:52.870
Now look around the room

3718
01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:55.740
and choose who you like to continue the dialogue with.

3719
01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:56.979
Uh,

3720
01:27:57.080 --> 01:27:58.299
I think I'll go with,

3721
01:27:58.430 --> 01:27:58.910
uh,

3722
01:27:59.080 --> 01:27:59.830
I like this guy.

3723
01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:01.160
Why did you choose Luke?

3724
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.350
He had asked me questions about why I believed what I

3725
01:28:04.350 --> 01:28:05.959
believed or why I would vote the way that I did,

3726
01:28:06.069 --> 01:28:07.000
and I thought,

3727
01:28:07.080 --> 01:28:07.819
I thought it was genuine.

3728
01:28:07.919 --> 01:28:09.020
I thought we could have a good conversation,

3729
01:28:09.229 --> 01:28:12.180
so I'm interested in hearing also what he thinks and what he believes and

3730
01:28:12.649 --> 01:28:12.790
where,

3731
01:28:12.839 --> 01:28:14.270
where maybe we'll disagree and agree.

3732
01:28:14.779 --> 01:28:16.859
My surrounding claim is that in 2026,

3733
01:28:17.020 --> 01:28:19.040
all moderates are cowards.

3734
01:28:24.379 --> 01:28:24.649
All right,

3735
01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:24.899
well,

3736
01:28:24.979 --> 01:28:25.560
uh,

3737
01:28:26.100 --> 01:28:26.720
no,

3738
01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:27.290
sure,

3739
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:28.899
and I certainly don't think,

3740
01:28:29.209 --> 01:28:29.879
don't think I am.

3741
01:28:30.089 --> 01:28:30.810
I think that,

3742
01:28:30.819 --> 01:28:31.640
uh,

3743
01:28:32.180 --> 01:28:34.359
11 of the biggest problems that we have in this country is,

3744
01:28:34.410 --> 01:28:34.899
uh,

3745
01:28:34.910 --> 01:28:34.939
uh,

3746
01:28:34.950 --> 01:28:36.200
media polarization.

3747
01:28:36.660 --> 01:28:37.250
There are,

3748
01:28:37.299 --> 01:28:37.720
uh,

3749
01:28:37.740 --> 01:28:40.569
family members of mine that only watch MS now,

3750
01:28:40.850 --> 01:28:43.479
and there are family members of mine that only watch Fox News,

3751
01:28:43.740 --> 01:28:44.200
and

3752
01:28:44.379 --> 01:28:45.240
I watch both.

3753
01:28:45.580 --> 01:28:46.609
And so then I see,

3754
01:28:46.779 --> 01:28:46.899
you know,

3755
01:28:46.979 --> 01:28:47.020
when,

3756
01:28:47.140 --> 01:28:48.220
when I turn on MS now,

3757
01:28:48.339 --> 01:28:50.799
the only thing they're talking about is going to be in one direction.

3758
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:51.529
I turn on Fox News,

3759
01:28:51.580 --> 01:28:53.000
the only thing they're talking about is in the other direction.

3760
01:28:53.379 --> 01:28:55.479
And this makes people really on edge,

3761
01:28:55.660 --> 01:28:56.220
and then say,

3762
01:28:56.229 --> 01:28:57.379
I need to be on one side.

3763
01:28:57.419 --> 01:28:59.259
It crafts a moral worldview.

3764
01:28:59.660 --> 01:28:59.740
Well,

3765
01:28:59.819 --> 01:29:01.399
I certainly understand your point,

3766
01:29:01.470 --> 01:29:01.620
you're,

3767
01:29:01.700 --> 01:29:01.740
you,

3768
01:29:01.859 --> 01:29:03.009
what I'm actually,

3769
01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:03.370
let me do this.

3770
01:29:03.410 --> 01:29:04.319
Are you saying take a side,

3771
01:29:04.540 --> 01:29:05.439
stand up for something?

3772
01:29:06.870 --> 01:29:07.649
More or less

3773
01:29:07.830 --> 01:29:11.689
I'm saying that over the last we'll say 26 years,

3774
01:29:11.750 --> 01:29:12.109
right,

3775
01:29:12.470 --> 01:29:13.370
we have been,

3776
01:29:13.509 --> 01:29:13.879
well,

3777
01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:15.479
barring 2016,

3778
01:29:15.669 --> 01:29:17.810
so from 2000 to 2016

3779
01:29:18.029 --> 01:29:20.399
we were kind of controlled by a centrist government

3780
01:29:20.700 --> 01:29:21.290
and

3781
01:29:21.430 --> 01:29:22.689
I feel like that.

3782
01:29:23.430 --> 01:29:25.660
Even though Barack Obama was a progressive for his time,

3783
01:29:25.910 --> 01:29:27.910
we view him now as pretty centrist,

3784
01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:28.390
right?

3785
01:29:28.850 --> 01:29:28.859
Uh,

3786
01:29:28.870 --> 01:29:30.250
we're in a room full of progressives,

3787
01:29:30.470 --> 01:29:30.830
um,

3788
01:29:30.950 --> 01:29:32.600
I would agree just even back then as well,

3789
01:29:32.709 --> 01:29:32.970
right.

3790
01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:36.640
That opened the door

3791
01:29:37.419 --> 01:29:39.740
for someone like Donald Trump to come in

3792
01:29:39.979 --> 01:29:42.359
and actively erode our Constitution

3793
01:29:42.580 --> 01:29:45.299
and the very foundation that our country is supposed to be.

3794
01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:46.839
Well,

3795
01:29:46.950 --> 01:29:47.089
is it,

3796
01:29:47.129 --> 01:29:50.270
is your argument that everyone should be against Donald Trump then?

3797
01:29:50.410 --> 01:29:50.689
No.

3798
01:29:51.709 --> 01:29:52.419
So then,

3799
01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:55.379
then what's your gripe with the gripe with moderates?

3800
01:29:56.319 --> 01:29:57.240
Centrism

3801
01:29:57.419 --> 01:29:59.879
and moderation in 2026

3802
01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:01.240
in the age of

3803
01:30:01.580 --> 01:30:02.540
AIPAC money,

3804
01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:04.279
in the age of

3805
01:30:04.459 --> 01:30:05.529
Larry Ellison,

3806
01:30:05.850 --> 01:30:06.919
Barry Weiss,

3807
01:30:07.140 --> 01:30:08.410
all of these talking heads,

3808
01:30:08.500 --> 01:30:10.020
all of these political entities,

3809
01:30:10.140 --> 01:30:10.700
Peter Thiel,

3810
01:30:10.819 --> 01:30:11.620
Mark Zuckerberg,

3811
01:30:11.819 --> 01:30:12.350
all these,

3812
01:30:12.620 --> 01:30:14.740
this technocracy that we are not far from,

3813
01:30:14.939 --> 01:30:15.299
right?

3814
01:30:16.879 --> 01:30:17.560
Why

3815
01:30:17.919 --> 01:30:19.160
do you get

3816
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:20.779
to sit in the middle

3817
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:22.790
and argue both sides

3818
01:30:23.200 --> 01:30:24.540
while raking in dollars

3819
01:30:24.799 --> 01:30:26.259
from these exact entities?

3820
01:30:27.330 --> 01:30:27.410
Well,

3821
01:30:27.490 --> 01:30:27.729
what's your,

3822
01:30:27.810 --> 01:30:28.089
what's your,

3823
01:30:28.200 --> 01:30:28.709
what's your

3824
01:30:28.850 --> 01:30:29.160
proposal?

3825
01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:29.520
What's,

3826
01:30:29.810 --> 01:30:29.919
I,

3827
01:30:30.009 --> 01:30:30.069
I,

3828
01:30:30.290 --> 01:30:30.370
I,

3829
01:30:30.419 --> 01:30:30.430
I,

3830
01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:30.520
I,

3831
01:30:30.569 --> 01:30:31.750
I guess I'm trying to understand.

3832
01:30:32.160 --> 01:30:32.370
Uh,

3833
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.290
my view of what it means to be moderate is that

3834
01:30:34.290 --> 01:30:36.439
sometimes the right is correct and sometimes the left is correct.

3835
01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:36.790
Sure,

3836
01:30:36.810 --> 01:30:39.040
and I think my view is,

3837
01:30:39.290 --> 01:30:39.399
I,

3838
01:30:39.490 --> 01:30:40.009
I come from,

3839
01:30:40.049 --> 01:30:40.470
uh,

3840
01:30:40.759 --> 01:30:40.890
interestingly,

3841
01:30:40.930 --> 01:30:42.770
the area of Chicago where I grew up has turned red.

3842
01:30:43.009 --> 01:30:43.729
It's firefighters,

3843
01:30:43.770 --> 01:30:44.209
it's cops,

3844
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:45.330
it's working class Joe's.

3845
01:30:45.430 --> 01:30:45.890
Why is that?

3846
01:30:46.330 --> 01:30:47.029
That it turned red?

3847
01:30:47.089 --> 01:30:47.209
Yeah,

3848
01:30:47.529 --> 01:30:49.709
I think for a lot of these people they feel that

3849
01:30:49.970 --> 01:30:50.450
the,

3850
01:30:50.609 --> 01:30:53.509
the Democratic establishment has abandoned them on a few issues.

3851
01:30:53.850 --> 01:30:54.009
The,

3852
01:30:54.129 --> 01:30:56.689
the mass migration that we saw or the large migration whatever you want,

3853
01:30:56.930 --> 01:30:57.129
wasn't,

3854
01:30:57.169 --> 01:30:57.939
wasn't there a huge,

3855
01:30:58.089 --> 01:30:58.209
yeah,

3856
01:30:58.370 --> 01:30:58.799
like you're saying,

3857
01:30:58.850 --> 01:31:00.629
wasn't there a huge migration of blue

3858
01:31:00.890 --> 01:31:01.810
to red and red to blue.

3859
01:31:02.044 --> 01:31:02.225
Right,

3860
01:31:02.404 --> 01:31:02.484
you,

3861
01:31:02.604 --> 01:31:02.674
you,

3862
01:31:02.765 --> 01:31:03.205
you made that claim.

3863
01:31:03.274 --> 01:31:04.504
You mean like California to Texas,

3864
01:31:04.915 --> 01:31:05.035
and,

3865
01:31:05.084 --> 01:31:05.564
and New York,

3866
01:31:06.154 --> 01:31:08.115
inner city Chicago to outer city Chicago suburbs,

3867
01:31:08.165 --> 01:31:08.645
things like that.

3868
01:31:08.765 --> 01:31:08.805
Yeah,

3869
01:31:08.875 --> 01:31:09.964
the people in my neighborhood didn't really move.

3870
01:31:10.004 --> 01:31:10.944
They don't have the money to do so.

3871
01:31:11.285 --> 01:31:12.444
So there is a large migration.

3872
01:31:12.515 --> 01:31:13.975
doesn't mean every neighborhood migrated,

3873
01:31:14.035 --> 01:31:14.404
but

3874
01:31:14.805 --> 01:31:15.935
particularly for where I grew up,

3875
01:31:15.964 --> 01:31:17.714
it's interesting that the politics of the

3876
01:31:17.714 --> 01:31:19.404
neighborhood kind of tracked alongside myself.

3877
01:31:19.484 --> 01:31:19.814
Like

3878
01:31:19.964 --> 01:31:20.814
in 2016,

3879
01:31:20.825 --> 01:31:21.634
I was for Bernie.

3880
01:31:21.884 --> 01:31:22.964
My the area where I grew up,

3881
01:31:23.004 --> 01:31:24.145
it was like largely blue.

3882
01:31:24.365 --> 01:31:24.475
Uh,

3883
01:31:24.524 --> 01:31:25.345
I didn't vote for anybody.

3884
01:31:25.564 --> 01:31:26.125
In 2020.

3885
01:31:26.165 --> 01:31:26.524
I said,

3886
01:31:26.685 --> 01:31:27.725
I guess I'm gonna vote for Trump.

3887
01:31:27.805 --> 01:31:28.754
That's the things I don't like about him,

3888
01:31:28.834 --> 01:31:29.365
but here's what I,

3889
01:31:29.444 --> 01:31:29.924
what I agree with him,

3890
01:31:30.084 --> 01:31:31.584
why I don't like Joe Biden vote for him.

3891
01:31:32.490 --> 01:31:32.750
Well,

3892
01:31:33.089 --> 01:31:33.680
unfortunately,

3893
01:31:33.689 --> 01:31:35.189
I think one of the big issues with Afghanistan,

3894
01:31:35.649 --> 01:31:37.959
and I'm not gonna say Trump's done well with Iran particularly,

3895
01:31:38.009 --> 01:31:38.520
you know what I mean,

3896
01:31:38.759 --> 01:31:38.919
but,

3897
01:31:38.930 --> 01:31:39.160
uh,

3898
01:31:39.169 --> 01:31:39.919
there was an issue of,

3899
01:31:39.930 --> 01:31:40.350
uh,

3900
01:31:40.370 --> 01:31:40.770
uh,

3901
01:31:40.930 --> 01:31:41.200
for one,

3902
01:31:41.250 --> 01:31:42.129
I was for Tulsi Gabbard.

3903
01:31:42.209 --> 01:31:44.310
I donated the maximum to Tulsi and to,

3904
01:31:44.330 --> 01:31:44.339
uh,

3905
01:31:44.350 --> 01:31:44.359
uh,

3906
01:31:44.410 --> 01:31:45.160
uh,

3907
01:31:45.169 --> 01:31:45.910
to Andrew Yang,

3908
01:31:46.330 --> 01:31:46.339
and,

3909
01:31:46.350 --> 01:31:46.879
and Andrew Yang,

3910
01:31:46.939 --> 01:31:47.830
how's Tulsi doing?

3911
01:31:48.529 --> 01:31:49.160
moderately well.

3912
01:31:49.209 --> 01:31:51.759
I mean she's not particularly in the political limelight as of right now,

3913
01:31:51.819 --> 01:31:54.490
but I do believe she's gonna try and run a spoiler candidacy against Democrats.

3914
01:31:54.729 --> 01:31:54.750
Sure,

3915
01:31:55.919 --> 01:31:56.209
Andrew Andrew Yang doing?

3916
01:31:57.009 --> 01:31:58.220
Andrew Yang not doing so well.

3917
01:31:58.290 --> 01:31:58.580
I mean,

3918
01:31:58.839 --> 01:31:59.899
he's got the Forward Party,

3919
01:32:00.180 --> 01:32:01.640
but why do you think that?

3920
01:32:01.979 --> 01:32:02.620
Why do I think what?

3921
01:32:02.779 --> 01:32:05.100
Why do you think that Andrew Yang is not succeeding in today's day?

3922
01:32:05.250 --> 01:32:06.560
Because I believe the Democratic machine,

3923
01:32:06.660 --> 01:32:08.660
like they did to Bernie ices out anybody who

3924
01:32:08.660 --> 01:32:12.339
wants to actually win on a populist grassroots level,

3925
01:32:12.529 --> 01:32:16.209
and I don't know how to vote for someone like Joe Biden who I think is evil,

3926
01:32:16.459 --> 01:32:18.100
and I think him and the administration,

3927
01:32:18.259 --> 01:32:19.919
Hillary Clinton have done such horrible things

3928
01:32:20.060 --> 01:32:20.209
that.

3929
01:32:20.270 --> 01:32:21.189
I said we,

3930
01:32:21.350 --> 01:32:22.049
we need,

3931
01:32:22.390 --> 01:32:23.790
like Andrew Yang was my principal guy,

3932
01:32:23.859 --> 01:32:24.910
a big fan of Tulsi as well,

3933
01:32:25.029 --> 01:32:26.709
largely because she had military service and

3934
01:32:26.709 --> 01:32:28.339
was in opposition to these foreign wars,

3935
01:32:28.509 --> 01:32:29.990
and we didn't get it for the second time,

3936
01:32:30.069 --> 01:32:30.390
I said,

3937
01:32:30.470 --> 01:32:32.029
I guess I'm voting for Donald Trump

3938
01:32:32.259 --> 01:32:33.029
for a few reasons.

3939
01:32:33.189 --> 01:32:34.810
He was the only one talking about

3940
01:32:34.990 --> 01:32:36.459
why we need trade controls,

3941
01:32:36.629 --> 01:32:37.810
and I agree with these trade controls,

3942
01:32:37.830 --> 01:32:40.589
but I fully recognize that they do cause short-term economic damage,

3943
01:32:40.629 --> 01:32:41.870
and that's bad for a lot of people.

3944
01:32:42.069 --> 01:32:43.069
I can recognize that.

3945
01:32:43.350 --> 01:32:44.089
Why do we,

3946
01:32:44.629 --> 01:32:45.100
why

3947
01:32:45.310 --> 01:32:46.419
are we in the position.

3948
01:32:46.799 --> 01:32:47.370
Or why,

3949
01:32:47.490 --> 01:32:48.830
why as a country

3950
01:32:48.970 --> 01:32:50.600
did we end up in that issue with trade?

3951
01:32:50.890 --> 01:32:51.669
Why did that happen?

3952
01:32:52.120 --> 01:32:53.120
There's a lot of arguments for it.

3953
01:32:53.169 --> 01:32:54.370
If you go back to the 90s,

3954
01:32:54.529 --> 01:32:55.410
you can look at these,

3955
01:32:55.529 --> 01:32:56.729
these general free trade agreements.

3956
01:32:56.810 --> 01:32:58.560
The belief from a lot of individuals is

3957
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.319
that when there's trade agreements between countries,

3958
01:33:00.529 --> 01:33:01.390
you prevent war.

3959
01:33:01.569 --> 01:33:02.419
Who passed those?

3960
01:33:03.029 --> 01:33:03.040
These,

3961
01:33:03.209 --> 01:33:03.330
these,

3962
01:33:03.430 --> 01:33:04.020
these laws

3963
01:33:04.410 --> 01:33:05.810
that go back to both parties over the since,

3964
01:33:05.930 --> 01:33:06.640
since 1950.

3965
01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:08.830
So in the 1950s,

3966
01:33:08.919 --> 01:33:09.520
who passed them?

3967
01:33:09.649 --> 01:33:09.930
Like what,

3968
01:33:10.009 --> 01:33:10.270
what,

3969
01:33:10.330 --> 01:33:10.379
what,

3970
01:33:10.569 --> 01:33:11.689
where did they align politically?

3971
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:13.709
Both parties and we call it the,

3972
01:33:13.759 --> 01:33:14.560
we call it the Unit Party.

3973
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.200
I would say they they'd probably be pretty close to the center,

3974
01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:17.439
right?

3975
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:18.819
One would call them a moderate.

3976
01:33:19.390 --> 01:33:20.169
We call them the Uni Party.

3977
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:20.520
I,

3978
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.479
I don't think moderates the right way to describe a cabal of elites who

3979
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.709
lie about their views to attract the most voters possible and steal power from,

3980
01:33:26.870 --> 01:33:27.600
from the working class.

3981
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:27.899
Sure,

3982
01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:28.310
like,

3983
01:33:28.410 --> 01:33:29.379
like moderate is

3984
01:33:29.709 --> 01:33:30.200
just means.

3985
01:33:30.240 --> 01:33:31.029
So if you believe that,

3986
01:33:31.330 --> 01:33:33.970
what are your views in 1950?

3987
01:33:34.240 --> 01:33:34.990
Where are you voting?

3988
01:33:35.069 --> 01:33:36.000
Where are you casting your vote?

3989
01:33:36.080 --> 01:33:36.120
Oh,

3990
01:33:36.189 --> 01:33:37.339
I'm not voting for any of these people.

3991
01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:37.720
Well,

3992
01:33:38.259 --> 01:33:38.520
to be,

3993
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:39.020
to be fair,

3994
01:33:39.080 --> 01:33:40.509
I think we're the products of the 1950s.

3995
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:41.319
We'd have all strange,

3996
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:42.040
like very strange political.

3997
01:33:42.234 --> 01:33:42.495
Views,

3998
01:33:42.595 --> 01:33:43.625
but I would say right now,

3999
01:33:43.794 --> 01:33:43.955
uh,

4000
01:33:44.064 --> 01:33:45.314
are you familiar with the liberal economic order?

4001
01:33:45.475 --> 01:33:45.595
Yes,

4002
01:33:45.754 --> 01:33:45.785
I,

4003
01:33:45.944 --> 01:33:46.325
I think it's,

4004
01:33:46.435 --> 01:33:47.384
it was insane.

4005
01:33:47.674 --> 01:33:51.294
And then the policies that we got from it leading up to before Trump came in

4006
01:33:51.475 --> 01:33:52.875
was the continuance of this,

4007
01:33:52.955 --> 01:33:53.115
this,

4008
01:33:53.154 --> 01:33:54.214
this policy by which

4009
01:33:54.314 --> 01:33:57.254
the United States imposes economic sanctions and military,

4010
01:33:57.584 --> 01:33:57.814
uh,

4011
01:33:57.825 --> 01:33:57.834
uh,

4012
01:33:57.845 --> 01:33:58.174
uh,

4013
01:33:58.754 --> 01:34:01.895
we'll just call it their military because it could be occupation or bombings

4014
01:34:02.035 --> 01:34:04.294
on other countries unless they enter into debt

4015
01:34:04.395 --> 01:34:05.035
with an international.

4016
01:34:05.270 --> 01:34:06.109
Banking system

4017
01:34:06.229 --> 01:34:06.819
and they thought,

4018
01:34:06.950 --> 01:34:07.270
you know what,

4019
01:34:07.350 --> 01:34:09.379
this will prevent World War II and it and did it?

4020
01:34:09.509 --> 01:34:09.770
No.

4021
01:34:09.990 --> 01:34:12.189
So they entered into foreign sovereign nations and took away

4022
01:34:12.189 --> 01:34:13.430
the rights of the people to vote as they wish.

4023
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.790
How is that different like the central bank entity,

4024
01:34:15.910 --> 01:34:16.120
right?

4025
01:34:16.390 --> 01:34:17.649
How is that different than

4026
01:34:18.069 --> 01:34:21.169
most of the individuals on the right taking money from AIPAC?

4027
01:34:21.470 --> 01:34:22.100
That's not a good thing.

4028
01:34:22.149 --> 01:34:22.390
I don't,

4029
01:34:22.509 --> 01:34:23.339
I don't agree with that.

4030
01:34:23.709 --> 01:34:24.259
Those are bad things.

4031
01:34:24.430 --> 01:34:25.910
Then why do you actively support that?

4032
01:34:26.069 --> 01:34:28.029
Why do you actively support a president who's made.

4033
01:34:28.495 --> 01:34:30.185
Billions of dollars since he's taken office.

4034
01:34:30.345 --> 01:34:32.504
Why do you support that as somebody who loved Bernie?

4035
01:34:32.665 --> 01:34:35.334
The simple answer is the things that I align with,

4036
01:34:35.625 --> 01:34:36.705
clearly you don't align with,

4037
01:34:36.825 --> 01:34:37.625
and that puts me in a,

4038
01:34:37.694 --> 01:34:39.944
in a Trump position as opposed to a Democrat position.

4039
01:34:40.104 --> 01:34:40.375
Sure,

4040
01:34:40.785 --> 01:34:42.104
you have a lot of politicians on the Democrat

4041
01:34:42.104 --> 01:34:44.685
side who got behind authoritarian practices during COVID.

4042
01:34:44.895 --> 01:34:46.225
I'm not going to support those individuals.

4043
01:34:46.484 --> 01:34:46.745
I will,

4044
01:34:47.064 --> 01:34:48.805
but the authoritarian practices today

4045
01:34:49.104 --> 01:34:50.205
you're willing to look past

4046
01:34:50.424 --> 01:34:50.694
some of them,

4047
01:34:50.745 --> 01:34:51.024
yes.

4048
01:34:52.100 --> 01:34:52.950
Come on man,

4049
01:34:53.299 --> 01:34:53.740
come on,

4050
01:34:53.859 --> 01:34:54.299
like do you want me to,

4051
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.220
do you want me to lie to you and equivocate and pretend that I think politicians are

4052
01:34:57.220 --> 01:34:59.859
I don't want you to lie to me and I'm so thankful that you're being honest.

4053
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:01.490
And I'm glad these cameras can see that,

4054
01:35:01.500 --> 01:35:02.660
and I hope your fan base can.

4055
01:35:02.729 --> 01:35:04.620
And I'd say this every single night on my show.

4056
01:35:04.859 --> 01:35:05.000
It,

4057
01:35:05.060 --> 01:35:08.290
it is silly that you get people who come on here and try to defend the indefensible.

4058
01:35:08.459 --> 01:35:11.169
Like sometimes you're a conservative and you're wrong.

4059
01:35:11.540 --> 01:35:13.129
Sometimes you're a Democrat and you're wrong.

4060
01:35:13.459 --> 01:35:13.620
It's,

4061
01:35:13.689 --> 01:35:14.810
it's silly to come here and be like,

4062
01:35:15.020 --> 01:35:16.100
no matter what the argument is,

4063
01:35:16.180 --> 01:35:18.939
I have to tribalistically defend something that's stupid.

4064
01:35:19.250 --> 01:35:20.200
But here's the issue.

4065
01:35:20.450 --> 01:35:23.279
There are things that Democrats have done that terrify me,

4066
01:35:23.290 --> 01:35:24.250
and I cannot support.

4067
01:35:24.370 --> 01:35:25.009
Now that being said,

4068
01:35:25.089 --> 01:35:26.000
is there good that they've done?

4069
01:35:26.129 --> 01:35:27.069
There's a possibility,

4070
01:35:27.209 --> 01:35:27.220
uh,

4071
01:35:27.490 --> 01:35:27.640
you know,

4072
01:35:27.689 --> 01:35:28.330
the one thing I like to,

4073
01:35:28.450 --> 01:35:29.209
I like to shout out for,

4074
01:35:29.450 --> 01:35:32.049
for Joe Biden is banking and ATM issues.

4075
01:35:32.250 --> 01:35:33.810
I know it seems a little light,

4076
01:35:34.080 --> 01:35:36.370
but I can't believe that the right attacked Joe Biden

4077
01:35:36.529 --> 01:35:37.729
on the issue of trying to get,

4078
01:35:37.750 --> 01:35:38.990
get rid of ATM fees.

4079
01:35:39.169 --> 01:35:39.569
I know a guy.

4080
01:35:39.674 --> 01:35:40.995
It might sound so light,

4081
01:35:41.075 --> 01:35:42.274
but you gotta start from the bottom.

4082
01:35:42.464 --> 01:35:45.495
It sounds like a very safe Republican moderate belief.

4083
01:35:45.794 --> 01:35:46.194
And that's,

4084
01:35:46.234 --> 01:35:46.424
and,

4085
01:35:46.475 --> 01:35:46.955
and dude,

4086
01:35:46.995 --> 01:35:49.575
you are entitled to have those beliefs and like

4087
01:35:49.834 --> 01:35:51.154
we live in this country,

4088
01:35:51.234 --> 01:35:52.435
we are allowed to disagree.

4089
01:35:52.595 --> 01:35:55.395
This constitution that you allege that is fully eroded,

4090
01:35:55.435 --> 01:35:56.964
we still have the ability to do this,

4091
01:35:57.115 --> 01:35:58.064
and that rules,

4092
01:35:58.205 --> 01:35:58.674
but

4093
01:35:58.955 --> 01:35:59.854
I will say.

4094
01:36:01.049 --> 01:36:04.049
We've all seen what's been going on in our country this summer.

4095
01:36:04.509 --> 01:36:04.520
We,

4096
01:36:04.609 --> 01:36:06.160
we've been holding the World Cup here.

4097
01:36:06.330 --> 01:36:09.919
We've been seeing people come here and see this country for what it truly is,

4098
01:36:10.169 --> 01:36:11.040
and they love it.

4099
01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:11.479
They love it,

4100
01:36:11.529 --> 01:36:11.740
right?

4101
01:36:11.839 --> 01:36:12.330
It's great.

4102
01:36:12.689 --> 01:36:13.890
What do they love about it?

4103
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:14.520
Well,

4104
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.220
I love when they went to Chicago and got the deep dish pizza.

4105
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:17.640
I,

4106
01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:18.759
I love the people who said,

4107
01:36:18.770 --> 01:36:20.200
where'd that deep dish pizza come from?

4108
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:21.310
Giordano's?

4109
01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:21.850
Yeah.

4110
01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:22.709
OK,

4111
01:36:22.919 --> 01:36:23.759
that's that last name,

4112
01:36:23.839 --> 01:36:25.600
that doesn't sound like an American last name.

4113
01:36:25.839 --> 01:36:26.990
Where'd that pizza come from?

4114
01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:28.160
It came from America.

4115
01:36:28.240 --> 01:36:28.859
Immigrants.

4116
01:36:28.959 --> 01:36:29.459
It didn't.

4117
01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:31.149
No,

4118
01:36:31.169 --> 01:36:32.319
it didn't Chicago style deep dish came,

4119
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:33.399
came from Chicago.

4120
01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:33.910
But,

4121
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:37.439
but it's it's like the descendants of immigrants if you want to get technical.

4122
01:36:38.102 --> 01:36:38.441
So

4123
01:36:38.541 --> 01:36:39.512
what I'm saying is

4124
01:36:39.742 --> 01:36:41.532
these because American style pizza was uniquely

4125
01:36:41.532 --> 01:36:42.941
American and distinct from Italian style pizza.

4126
01:36:43.151 --> 01:36:43.461
Totally.

4127
01:36:43.662 --> 01:36:44.972
I know where chicken tikka masala comes,

4128
01:36:45.051 --> 01:36:45.941
but it's still pizza.

4129
01:36:46.021 --> 01:36:48.122
Do you know where chicken tikka masala is a British inclination.

4130
01:36:48.262 --> 01:36:48.821
I get it.

4131
01:36:48.941 --> 01:36:49.932
Like I fully get it,

4132
01:36:49.941 --> 01:36:50.151
man.

4133
01:36:50.551 --> 01:36:50.892
We agree it's amazing.

4134
01:36:50.981 --> 01:36:54.062
You are talking to a 365 pound man with a knife tattoo.

4135
01:36:54.372 --> 01:36:56.171
You think I don't know where tikka masala's from,

4136
01:36:56.301 --> 01:36:56.501
Doc?

4137
01:36:56.622 --> 01:36:56.731
Like,

4138
01:36:57.481 --> 01:36:57.492
I,

4139
01:36:57.501 --> 01:36:57.731
we love it,

4140
01:36:58.012 --> 01:36:58.392
we agree.

4141
01:36:58.501 --> 01:36:58.782
I mean,

4142
01:36:58.901 --> 01:36:59.012
I,

4143
01:36:59.102 --> 01:37:00.582
I don't love that it's their national dish.

4144
01:37:00.622 --> 01:37:00.821
I think.

4145
01:37:00.923 --> 01:37:01.083
I'm,

4146
01:37:01.094 --> 01:37:01.273
I'm,

4147
01:37:01.313 --> 01:37:02.224
I'm part Korean.

4148
01:37:02.724 --> 01:37:02.844
My,

4149
01:37:02.923 --> 01:37:03.043
my,

4150
01:37:03.124 --> 01:37:03.324
my,

4151
01:37:03.423 --> 01:37:03.554
my,

4152
01:37:03.934 --> 01:37:04.043
my,

4153
01:37:04.124 --> 01:37:04.313
I had,

4154
01:37:04.403 --> 01:37:06.083
I had family who fled war and came to America

4155
01:37:06.083 --> 01:37:08.184
and were welcomed in the beautiful bosom of this nation

4156
01:37:08.324 --> 01:37:09.253
to live an amazing life.

4157
01:37:09.363 --> 01:37:13.233
Then why are you voting for an entity that wants to erase that?

4158
01:37:13.324 --> 01:37:14.284
They don't want to erase it.

4159
01:37:14.324 --> 01:37:15.474
I think you have a misconception.

4160
01:37:15.644 --> 01:37:15.883
I think,

4161
01:37:15.923 --> 01:37:16.963
I think it comes down to,

4162
01:37:17.124 --> 01:37:18.704
I look at a Biden administration

4163
01:37:18.804 --> 01:37:19.804
that brings in a,

4164
01:37:19.883 --> 01:37:20.094
a,

4165
01:37:20.403 --> 01:37:23.963
there's wide estimates from 4 to even upwards of 20 million,

4166
01:37:24.043 --> 01:37:24.164
right?

4167
01:37:24.346 --> 01:37:24.545
And,

4168
01:37:24.625 --> 01:37:26.485
and if you pick what number you think is right or what's wrong,

4169
01:37:26.585 --> 01:37:27.326
it doesn't matter.

4170
01:37:27.516 --> 01:37:28.295
We saw,

4171
01:37:28.525 --> 01:37:30.445
we saw mass migration into this country

4172
01:37:30.695 --> 01:37:31.565
on a large scale,

4173
01:37:31.695 --> 01:37:33.465
and I think that is bad for the economy.

4174
01:37:33.545 --> 01:37:34.806
I think it's bad for the younger generation,

4175
01:37:35.226 --> 01:37:37.545
and I see ideologies pushed by Democratic Party

4176
01:37:37.545 --> 01:37:40.286
politicians and activists that I think are detrimental

4177
01:37:40.456 --> 01:37:41.226
to the future of the,

4178
01:37:41.255 --> 01:37:42.105
of the younger generation in this country,

4179
01:37:42.226 --> 01:37:42.976
namely my child.

4180
01:37:43.226 --> 01:37:43.425
So,

4181
01:37:43.585 --> 01:37:45.905
so we keep talking about the civil war issue,

4182
01:37:46.145 --> 01:37:47.366
the secessions and everything.

4183
01:37:47.979 --> 01:37:51.009
The big issue that's going on geopolitically

4184
01:37:51.229 --> 01:37:53.390
is we've got a massive target on our back.

4185
01:37:53.589 --> 01:37:56.089
Wouldn't you want more people to be in this country

4186
01:37:56.229 --> 01:37:57.220
to fight against that?

4187
01:37:57.470 --> 01:37:58.919
Wouldn't you want more hands the target?

4188
01:37:59.790 --> 01:38:01.029
Like I mean like who's who's the threat?

4189
01:38:01.830 --> 01:38:02.629
We are

4190
01:38:02.910 --> 01:38:03.609
Israel.

4191
01:38:04.589 --> 01:38:05.459
Through us

4192
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:06.520
is a threat.

4193
01:38:06.879 --> 01:38:07.479
So we have,

4194
01:38:07.799 --> 01:38:09.899
but you're saying like there's gonna be retaliation in the United States.

4195
01:38:11.060 --> 01:38:11.160
They,

4196
01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:13.819
they are hanging banners calling for the

4197
01:38:13.959 --> 01:38:16.060
the assassination of our sitting president.

4198
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:16.870
And I,

4199
01:38:16.959 --> 01:38:17.169
I,

4200
01:38:17.240 --> 01:38:17.919
I don't agree with that.

4201
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:19.049
I don't want that to happen

4202
01:38:19.189 --> 01:38:19.799
if that were to happen.

4203
01:38:20.194 --> 01:38:20.375
I,

4204
01:38:20.435 --> 01:38:22.115
I do not like the outcome that's going to,

4205
01:38:22.794 --> 01:38:23.384
I don't,

4206
01:38:23.495 --> 01:38:23.504
I,

4207
01:38:24.165 --> 01:38:26.754
I don't see how bringing in more people from around the around the world,

4208
01:38:26.834 --> 01:38:27.095
which,

4209
01:38:27.115 --> 01:38:27.955
whether right or wrong,

4210
01:38:28.415 --> 01:38:29.035
changes that.

4211
01:38:29.145 --> 01:38:29.464
Wouldn't,

4212
01:38:29.634 --> 01:38:31.484
isn't a larger country stronger?

4213
01:38:32.495 --> 01:38:34.234
Isn't China vastly more advanced than we are?

4214
01:38:34.555 --> 01:38:34.915
Not necessarily,

4215
01:38:35.035 --> 01:38:35.294
no.

4216
01:38:35.850 --> 01:38:36.009
Yes,

4217
01:38:36.140 --> 01:38:36.439
they are.

4218
01:38:36.470 --> 01:38:36.990
Is India,

4219
01:38:37.330 --> 01:38:37.799
like they,

4220
01:38:37.850 --> 01:38:37.950
they,

4221
01:38:38.040 --> 01:38:38.279
they have,

4222
01:38:38.370 --> 01:38:40.609
they have high levels of poverty in certain areas.

4223
01:38:40.810 --> 01:38:43.930
I think they exist within a caste system that we're we're comparing.

4224
01:38:44.029 --> 01:38:44.410
I think,

4225
01:38:44.529 --> 01:38:46.330
I think the United States likes to put on these airs,

4226
01:38:46.649 --> 01:38:47.410
particularly Republicans,

4227
01:38:47.459 --> 01:38:48.569
about how everything's perfect and great.

4228
01:38:48.609 --> 01:38:49.009
When it's not,

4229
01:38:49.049 --> 01:38:49.729
you've got slums.

4230
01:38:49.970 --> 01:38:50.609
Japan does this,

4231
01:38:50.799 --> 01:38:51.490
China does this.

4232
01:38:51.770 --> 01:38:52.129
Every,

4233
01:38:52.290 --> 01:38:52.450
you know,

4234
01:38:52.490 --> 01:38:52.609
it's,

4235
01:38:52.649 --> 01:38:53.950
it's hard to gauge who's

4236
01:38:54.290 --> 01:38:55.939
like which country is going to be the,

4237
01:38:56.009 --> 01:38:56.120
the,

4238
01:38:56.129 --> 01:38:57.729
the pinnacle of success of their,

4239
01:38:57.839 --> 01:38:58.390
of their ground.

4240
01:38:58.450 --> 01:38:59.770
I don't want us to be the pinnacle.

4241
01:38:59.970 --> 01:39:01.790
I want us to be the country that we should be.

4242
01:39:02.169 --> 01:39:02.779
Which is

4243
01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:07.149
a country that continues to change and grow and develop and welcome people in.

4244
01:39:07.160 --> 01:39:08.500
I'm gonna pause here.

4245
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:09.240
I'm gonna pause here.

4246
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:10.790
We are out of time,

4247
01:39:11.120 --> 01:39:12.560
so I wanna thank you both.

4248
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.109
I wanna thank all the debaters.

4249
01:39:14.229 --> 01:39:14.549
It was great,

4250
01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:14.759
man.

4251
01:39:19.970 --> 01:39:21.870
You guys brought a lot of passion.

4252
01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:22.810
I loved it.

4253
01:39:23.009 --> 01:39:23.129
Tim,

4254
01:39:23.209 --> 01:39:25.149
I wanna thank you for taking them all on.

4255
01:39:25.169 --> 01:39:26.350
That is not easy.

4256
01:39:26.609 --> 01:39:29.189
Would you like to continue this conversation on our podcast?

4257
01:39:29.270 --> 01:39:29.359
Yeah,

4258
01:39:29.419 --> 01:39:29.649
absolutely.

4259
01:39:30.169 --> 01:39:31.149
Love to hear it

4260
01:39:31.649 --> 01:39:33.729
and I love that you guys watched and tuned in.

4261
01:39:33.850 --> 01:39:35.549
Thank you for watching and catch us next time.

4262
01:39:35.930 --> 01:39:36.450
I think it was great.

4263
01:39:36.490 --> 01:39:36.839
I think,

4264
01:39:36.850 --> 01:39:37.379
uh,

4265
01:39:37.890 --> 01:39:39.290
everybody did a pretty good job

4266
01:39:39.490 --> 01:39:41.819
as long as we're trying to have a real conversation and get to the heart of it,

4267
01:39:41.899 --> 01:39:42.810
things usually work out well,

4268
01:39:42.890 --> 01:39:44.959
although there was that one guy who seemed really mad at me,

4269
01:39:45.009 --> 01:39:45.430
you know.

4270
01:39:45.649 --> 01:39:45.810
I,

4271
01:39:45.890 --> 01:39:48.500
I came here holding Tim to a very high standard.

4272
01:39:48.899 --> 01:39:48.910
Um,

4273
01:39:49.700 --> 01:39:51.399
that of at least a 5 year old

4274
01:39:51.859 --> 01:39:52.939
in in grade school.

4275
01:39:53.060 --> 01:39:57.140
I mostly think that Tim doesn't care about what the fallout of his rhetoric is.

4276
01:39:57.220 --> 01:39:59.580
He's primarily focused on one thing and one thing only,

4277
01:39:59.859 --> 01:40:01.020
and that's generating profit.

4278
01:40:01.220 --> 01:40:01.330
Well,

4279
01:40:01.450 --> 01:40:03.060
when you tell me that because I want to vote

4280
01:40:03.060 --> 01:40:04.660
for what I believe and I'm making civil war happen,

4281
01:40:04.740 --> 01:40:05.750
that's just proving my point.

4282
01:40:05.939 --> 01:40:06.759
I think Tim

4283
01:40:07.299 --> 01:40:09.660
stood on his own 2 ft about his beliefs.

4284
01:40:09.740 --> 01:40:10.450
He did not

4285
01:40:10.660 --> 01:40:13.000
lie about his perspective beliefs.

4286
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:15.979
But I do believe that his beliefs

4287
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:16.799
are

4288
01:40:17.040 --> 01:40:18.160
inherently cowardly.

4289
01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:18.919
People,

4290
01:40:19.240 --> 01:40:23.910
they get their view of me from clips presented by progressives who,

4291
01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:24.200
you know,

4292
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:25.620
they accuse me of grifting.

4293
01:40:25.879 --> 01:40:28.799
I would counter with if they watched my show even one time,

4294
01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.500
they wouldn't come to me and try and make arguments that I don't

4295
01:40:31.839 --> 01:40:32.160
believe him.